• The "Holy Goat"

    From Hylian@VERT to All on Monday, July 10, 2023 16:33:20
    I was recently watching youtube videos of people fixing up garbage cars to get them running. I like seeing the old stuff...

    Anyways, there is this GTO that a family used for gun practice for several decades (at least 30 years, if I am remember correctly).

    He got it running and took him and his son on a road trip with this thing. He did not fix it up other then putting an old engine he had laying around, some nice tires, and safety stuff. Him and his son cruising down a highway in a car with hundreds of bullet holes in it sure makes for an entertaining video.

    His son joked about the car having "factory air". :D

    I just thought if you were bored you could youtube the holey goat gto for a laugh. They truly enjoy that scary machine.
    -Denny aka Hylian

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Hylian on Tuesday, July 11, 2023 06:37:00
    Hylian wrote to All <=-

    I was recently watching youtube videos of people fixing up garbage cars
    to get them running. I like seeing the old stuff...

    I found a series on MotorTrend network called "Flipping Bangers", sort
    of a low-end "Wheeler dealers". Two guys pooled their money, quit their
    jobs, and rent out a garage for 5 days. They buy cheap cars and the
    goal is to flip them for twice the cost in 5 days.

    Wheeler Dealers started getting awfully high-end, this new show feels a
    little more like two guys flipping cars.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, July 11, 2023 23:28:00
    Re: Re: The "Holy Goat"
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Hylian on Tue Jul 11 2023 06:37 am

    Hylian wrote to All <=-

    I was recently watching youtube videos of people fixing up garbage cars to get them running. I like seeing the old stuff...

    I found a series on MotorTrend network called "Flipping Bangers", sort
    of a low-end "Wheeler dealers". Two guys pooled their money, quit their
    jobs, and rent out a garage for 5 days. They buy cheap cars and the
    goal is to flip them for twice the cost in 5 days.

    Wheeler Dealers started getting awfully high-end, this new show feels a little more like two guys flipping cars.



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    I quit watching Wheeler Dealers when Edd China left the show regarding the direction the producers wanted to take it. The producers wanted less work intensive cars, or wanted to show less technical work.

    I've also stopped watching shows like this becuase they started getting too s cripted or staged. Fast and Loud and it's spinoff series Misfit Garage were becoming more about the drama than the build. Their "barn find" cars were often staged or checked out beforehand, and the same went ofr Wheeler Dealers.
    The cars were scouted out and inspected before they appeared on screen. I have trouble believing these cars are being fixed up and flipped in 5 days. Some of the cars shown on Couting Cars appeared to be done in a week, but really took 6 months to track down parts and assemble while working on
    several other cars at the same time.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Moondog on Wednesday, July 12, 2023 07:17:00
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    I quit watching Wheeler Dealers when Edd China left the show regarding
    the direction the producers wanted to take it. The producers wanted
    less work intensive cars, or wanted to show less technical work.

    I quit watching for a while when Edd left for the same reasons - I used
    to skip past the Mike segments to see Edd working on the car. He's
    got a knack for explaining things that makes you want to dive in and
    DIY.

    I think they listened to the blowback, because they didn't lose any
    technical aspects. They maybe skipped on painting and bodywork, but
    Ant and Elvis still did quite a bit of mechanic stuff.

    If it had been just Mike buying kit and bolting it on, I would have
    stopped long ago.

    My reason for discontent with the show was mostly about them moving
    operations to the US. I loved seeing them buying and working on cars
    that we don't get here, or can't afford because they're rare here and
    common there.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, July 13, 2023 13:24:00
    Re: Re: The "Holy Goat"
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed Jul 12 2023 07:17 am

    Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I quit watching Wheeler Dealers when Edd China left the show regarding the direction the producers wanted to take it. The producers wanted less work intensive cars, or wanted to show less technical work.

    I quit watching for a while when Edd left for the same reasons - I used
    to skip past the Mike segments to see Edd working on the car. He's
    got a knack for explaining things that makes you want to dive in and
    DIY.

    I think they listened to the blowback, because they didn't lose any
    technical aspects. They maybe skipped on painting and bodywork, but
    Ant and Elvis still did quite a bit of mechanic stuff.

    If it had been just Mike buying kit and bolting it on, I would have
    stopped long ago.

    My reason for discontent with the show was mostly about them moving operations to the US. I loved seeing them buying and working on cars
    that we don't get here, or can't afford because they're rare here and
    common there.


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    I got the impression that Motor Trend channel's choice to relocate the show
    to the US was to bring in more cars the US viewers would recognize, plus the p arts availability was more abundant in the US.

    I agree part of the charm when they were UK based was the choice of British
    and European cars they would work on. I recall they had an old Charger or other muscle car, and parts had to be sourced from the US sight unseen. I
    bet it was much easier in California to go to a parts store and find exactly the part they were looking for. I also agree part of the charm wa not having parts easily available, and having to tear down and rebuild hard to get
    stuff.

    Edd China has a Youtube channel, and works on a variety of stuff.

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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Moondog on Saturday, July 15, 2023 23:16:27
    Re: Re: The "Holy Goat"
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 13 2023 13:24:00

    I agree part of the charm when they were UK based was the choice of British and European cars they would work on. I recall they had an old Charger or other muscle car, and parts had to be sourced from the US sight unseen. I bet it was much easier in California to go to a parts store and find exactly the part they were looking for. I also agree part of the charm wa not having parts easily available, and having to tear down and rebuild hard to get stuff.

    Can't speak for California, but here in Arizona there are a couple "u-pull-it" places where they have a large field of cars, if you're looking for a part, you are expected to bring whatever tools you need to strip said parts off of the parts cars in those fields. Given the interoperability of many US models, other than interior dash panels, or other things that are more specific, most engine parts you can get pretty redily. Just have to go out in the hot sun (half the year) to get what you need. You also pay for the parts at about 1/4 cost of new. They also tend to pay well under $1000 for used cars to add.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Tracker1 on Sunday, July 16, 2023 05:53:14
    Re: Re: The "Holy Goat"
    By: Tracker1 to Moondog on Sat Jul 15 2023 11:16 pm

    Can't speak for California, but here in Arizona there are a couple "u-pull-it" places where they have a large field of cars, if you're looking for a part, you are expected to bring whatever tools you need to strip said

    that's called a junk yard.

    make sure you bring some mud boots.
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Tracker1 on Sunday, July 16, 2023 08:00:34
    Re: Re: The "Holy Goat"
    By: Tracker1 to Moondog on Sat Jul 15 2023 11:16 pm

    Can't speak for California, but here in Arizona there are a couple "u-pull-it" places where they have a large field of cars, if you're looking for a part, you are expected to bring whatever tools you need to strip said parts off of the parts cars in those fields.

    I've done that before with a couple cars I used to have. I went to u-pull-it yards a few times for a 1988 VW Fox I used to have and got some parts for it there.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tracker1 on Sunday, July 16, 2023 09:30:00
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    Can't speak for California, but here in Arizona there are a couple "u-pull-it" places where they have a large field of cars, if you're looking for a part, you are expected to bring whatever tools you need
    to strip said parts off of the parts cars in those fields.

    Pick and Pull places benefit from dry climates. There are a couple
    scattered around in California, but not as many as there were when I
    was growing up - real estate's gotten too expensive.

    Given the
    interoperability of many US models, other than interior dash panels, or other things that are more specific, most engine parts you can get
    pretty redily.

    I had a couple of VW Rabbits and a Fiat X1/9 I kept going for years on
    parts from those places - you could get most of the car apart with 10mm
    and 13mm wrenches and 2 screwdrivers.

    Rabbits were common and X1/9s shared a lot of parts with Fiat 128s - and
    there were a lot of junked 128s back then. :)




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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Tracker1 on Sunday, July 16, 2023 09:45:00
    Re: Re: The "Holy Goat"
    By: Tracker1 to Moondog on Sat Jul 15 2023 11:16 pm

    Re: Re: The "Holy Goat"
    By: Moondog to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 13 2023 13:24:00

    I agree part of the charm when they were UK based was the choice of British and European cars they would work on. I recall they had an old Charger or other muscle car, and parts had to be sourced from the US si unseen. I bet it was much easier in California to go to a parts store a find exactly the part they were looking for. I also agree part of the charm wa not having parts easily available, and having to tear down and rebuild hard to get stuff.

    Can't speak for California, but here in Arizona there are a couple "u-pull-i e fields. Given the interoperability of many US models, other than interior also pay for the parts at about 1/4 cost of new. They also tend to pay well


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    Yes, parts are farly abundant amd scrapyards are common in the US. When they were working on the Charger, they bought it in the US then shipped it to the
    UK for restoration. Ordering parts was a crapshoot because if there was a var iation during a production run or a part was described to the parts puller, that part would have to be shipped overseas, possibly held in customs for a bit, then it may be the wrong part. It's way easier to return the wrong part if you're in the same country.

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