I really have a hard time understanding how anyone could want a dumb phone o a smart phone. Yeah I get not wanting to be constantly interrupted, but all those notifications are under the users control and can be adjusted and turn off with granular control.
Arelor wrote to Bob Roberts <=-
For everything else, cheapo phones for the win!
For everything else, cheapo phones for the win!
It's a shame the 2g and 3g networks are going away, there are a ton of
great old phones that I would have loved to use, like my old Nokias in
a drawer somewhere.
My father is too arsed to use a smart phone and I am wasting money paying fo his phone. We need good dumb phones for seniors unwilling to learn technolog
My father is too arsed to use a smart phone and I am wasting money paying fo his phone. We need good dumb phones for seniors unwilling to learn technolog
It's a shame the 2g and 3g networks are going away, there are a ton of great old phones that I would have loved to use, like my old Nokias in
a drawer somewhere.
On 10/19/2020 5:09 PM, ARELOR wrote to BOB ROBERTS:
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For everything else, cheapo phones for the win!
My father is too arsed to use a smart phone and I am wasting money paying for his phone.
We need good dumb phones for seniors unwilling to learn technology.
On 10/19/2020 5:09 PM, ARELOR wrote to BOB ROBERTS:
-
For everything else, cheapo phones for the win!
My father is too arsed to use a smart phone and I am wasting money paying for his phone.
We need good dumb phones for seniors unwilling to learn technology.
Heh, you'd be surprised by some seniors. Lots of old people pick technolog e fast if they *have* to. It is just that they
usually don't want to do it :-)
paying for his phone.
We need good dumb phones for seniors unwilling to learn technology.
Heh, you'd be surprised by some seniors. Lots of old people pick technology quite fast if they *have* to. It is just that they usually don't want to do it :-)
My father is too arsed to use a smart phone and I am wasting money payi
they have jitterbug smart phone. didnt you show him he can get porn on the p
Re: Re: Dumbphones
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue Oct 20 2020 09:37 am
It's a shame the 2g and 3g networks are going away, there are a ton of great old phones that I would have loved to use, like my old Nokias in
a drawer somewhere.
Now those phones are paper weights right? Now your supposed to dispose of them properly cause of the batteries. I still have all of my phones. I plan keeping them. I was stupid and tossed out my old computers. I'm not going to make the same mistake with my phones. Then again phones don't take up as muc space. ha!
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Re: Re: Before Bandwidth / Af By: Andeddu to Dennisk on Sat Oct 24
2020 05:52 pm
Biological sex is defined by the science of biology whereas genderWhich world are you referring to? I only know of two in the real
is a soci construct. That's why there are so many different genders
in the world.
world (Natural World).
There is evidence that identification with alternative'non-binary' An> genders is largely cultural. That is, most people
believe they are An> because of the external culture. An> Biological
sex is defined by the science of biology whereas gender is a An>
social construct. That's why there are so many different genders in
the An> world. Yes, the fact that this is occuring SPECIFICALLY in
places where the rhetoric is highest indicates this. There is a
high correlation, which means that for the most part, we are just
sowing confusion among people.
Biological sex is defined by the science of biology whereas genderWhich world are you referring to? I only know of two in the real
is a soci construct. That's why there are so many different genders
in the world.
world (Natural World).
That's our new world, "New Normal" for you. Everything is like a social construct.
You would think that is what people want. But, somehow my thinking in
this way is a major part of the problem, when it seems to me that it
should be the goal.
Charles Pierson wrote to Dennisk <=-
Hello, Dennisk.
On 10/25/20 1:04 PM you wrote:
There is evidence that identification with alternative'non-binary' An> genders is largely cultural. That is, most people
believe they are An> because of the external culture. An> Biological
sex is defined by the science of biology whereas gender is a An>
social construct. That's why there are so many different genders in
the An> world. Yes, the fact that this is occuring SPECIFICALLY in
places where the rhetoric is highest indicates this. There is a
high correlation, which means that for the most part, we are just
sowing confusion among people.
Yes it does. For example, my mindset is relatively simple. There are
two types of people, A-holes and non-A-holes. All the rest is
irrelevant to me.
I don't care about skin tone, sexual orientation, gender identity, or anything else.
You would think that is what people want. But, somehow my thinking in
this way is a major part of the problem, when it seems to me that it should be the goal.
That's our new world, "New Normal" for you. Everything is like aI was referring to the world we leave in. Not some fantasy world. A
social construct.
world based on facts. There is only two sexes that can reproduce
male and female. There's nothing else in between. That is it and
that is all.
is a soci construct. That's why there are so many different gendersWhich world are you referring to? I only know of two in the real
in the world.
world (Natural World).
That's our new world, "New Normal" for you. Everything is like a social construct.
I don't care about skin tone, sexual orientation, gender identity, or anything else.
You would think that is what people want. But, somehow my thinking in this way is a major part of the problem, when it seems to me that it should be the goal.
Technically, there are occasionally people born with both sets of
organs. But I understand what you're saying.
I don't care about skin tone, sexual orientation, genderidentity, or CP> anything else. CP> You would think that is what
people want. But, somehow my thinking in CP> this way is a major
part of the problem, when it seems to me that it CP> should be the
goal. i go by the mindset that i dont care what people do as long as
they dont get in my way. when they get in my way they are going to
have a bad time. regarding assholes, some people are assholes to
some people and to others they are a saint. i'm sure some huge
assholes have saved lives and done great things for people when non assholes have not. also everyone has a very good reason for being
how they are, no matter how horrible they may be.
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* Battery life is impressive.
* Resistent as heck. It has been munched by horses, fallen into pools of horse pee, you name it. It still works. If one day it died in the line of duty, it would be no big loss because it is so damn cheap.
* No degradation. Smartphones are designed to fill themselves with crap with every update until they are no longer operational. This crappy Nokia will not only survive your fancy iPhones. It will survive Mt. Everest itself.
* This phone has a phone number database, can deliver text messages, and can make phone calls. Which, guess what, is what phones are supposed to be capable off :-)
So, yeah, I guess if you need to browse the Internet from your phone or you rely on some propietary messaging service, then you'll need an overpriced smartphone designed to commit sepukku every 3 years. I have one for work, actually: it gets integrated with the company's groupware. Most of the time I use it as an access point for a real computer, because it is really hard to get work done from a phone.
For everything else, cheapo phones for the win!
On 10-25-20 19:15, HusTler wrote to Charles Pierson <=-
I was referring to the world we leave in. Not some fantasy world. A
world based on facts. There is only two sexes that can reproduce male
and female. There's nothing else in between. That is it and that is
all.
I am guessing you are coming from the US? In Sweden our phone is often used. We use
system called BankID for verification/authentication for most of our services (need
pay a bill? sign a contract? send money? Identify yourself over the phone? Log into
secure government, municipality, banks or company websites? Pay taxes? Trade stocks
BankID is used both for identification as well as signing. According to Swedish law
and within the European Union, BankID is an advanced signature and a signature made
with a BankID is legally binding. Having a phone with fingerprint makes it worlds
easier. Even when accessing sites from a computer, since the other option is a USB
attached Sled and physical ID card.
That alone makes a smartphone with a BankID app very appealing. Then you have Swish
which is the leading person-to-person transfer and used very often in Sweden (even
stores, fruit carts, etc.) to pay - which requires the App and BankID to authentica
the transfer. Beyond that many people use tap-to-pay on their phones, as we have an
almost universally cashless society.
nope.
they can try but they wont win.
In any case, I have a bit of a religious suspicion of letting phones handl important, because they are generally so unreliable and mostly unaudited.
,when you de-facto force everybody to use a smartphone in order to do bank certify their identity, you are putting your country in the hands of Apple Alphabet. And I have a bit of a problem with that since I don't think thos anies have the best interests of their users in their TODO list.
that would be a genetic freak.
Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Before_Bandwidth_/_Af?=
By: MRO to Charles Pierson on Mon Oct 26 2020 05:22 pm
that would be a genetic freak.
The biological term is hermaphrodite.
@MSGID: <5F974B24.4644.dove-gen@bbses.info> @REPLY:
i'm sure some huge assholes have saved lives and done great things
for people when non assholes have not.
NesQWK 1.06 < (c) 1995 NoLimits Software. Unregistered evaluation copy.
Spain has been trying
to roll an identity certification system that works for more than a decade already and
is always failing.
Banks have signature services via their own apps in order to get transfers and contacts signed, but then they don't work in jailbroken phones which is a bit of a big
bummer.
In any case, I have a bit of a religious suspicion of letting phones handle anything
important, because they are generally so unreliable and mostly unaudited.
,when you de-facto force everybody to use a smartphone in order to do banking or
certify their identity, you are putting your country in the hands of Apple and Alphabet. And I have a bit of a problem with that since I don't think those companies
have the best interests of their users in their TODO list.
The biological term is hermaphrodite.
whatever, i'm not a biologist and i'm not acting as one.
a hermaphrodite is a genetic freak.
diatengu finds offense with this so maybe he has a pussy and a little cock. ---
whatever, i'm not a biologist and i'm not acting as one.
a hermaphrodite is a genetic freak.
diatengu finds offense with this so maybe he has a pussy and a little cock.
Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Before_Bandwidth_/_Af?= By: Charles Pierson toDo you mean that thinking it should be be the goal or that it actually
Dennisk on Sun Oct 25 2020 09:01 am
You would think that is what people want. But, somehow my thinkingIt's the "should" in your way of thinking that will cause you
in this way is a major part of the problem, when it seems to me
that it should be the goal.
trouble.
On 10-27-20 11:06, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=- Ar> Yes, I havefriends and customers that declare themselves trasgender, Ar> and I
am member of a political organization which includes trasgender Ar>
rights in their portfolio. Hmm, that sounds kinda familiar - the old
"But I have gay friends" defence.
But there is a difference between respecting or toleratingpeople and Ar> sharing their point of view. It's one thing to
tolerate or even respect someone's point of view. But I'm talking
about _understanding_ it. Have you taken the time to do that?
Yes it does. For example, my mindset is relatively simple. Thereare CP> two types of people, A-holes and non-A-holes. All the rest
is CP> irrelevant to me. CP> I don't care about skin tone, sexual orientation, gender identity, or CP> anything else. CP> You would
think that is what people want. But, somehow my thinking in CP> this
way is a major part of the problem, when it seems to me that it CP>
should be the goal. Being neutral is not enough. When Christianity
when through Northern Europe, it wasn't like they left those who
didn't care either way about Paganism or Christianity alone. If you
were neutral, you were still a heathen. Likewise with this religion,
simply not caring about someones race or gender doesn't cut it.
That makes you a HEATHEN.
It may be de-facto but it is not forced, it is a de-facto standard of convenience and most people would gladly have the convenience. You can easil just go home and use your physical BankID or use your key generator (that yo get with every bank account) though at some point you will need to use your BankID.
Whether it is good or bad is up to you, but limiting your options out of concern for options being possibly artificially limited in the future seems bit over the top to me. If Apple went tits up or became aggressive then I wouldn't use Apple. I just recently sold my 2018 and 2015 iMac 27" desktops, shortly after they announced Apple-specific Silicon for their desktops. I'm going through that change again.
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i'm sure some huge assholes have saved lives and done great things
for people when non assholes have not.
Pretty much every surgeon?
Spain has been trying
to roll an identity certification system that works for more than a
decade already and
is always failing.
Sweden is probably 2 decades ahead by this point, when I moved from the US I realized how backwards the US system of banking, identity and more was. It was only in the last few years that you could get a same-day transfer in the US and even that is hit or miss.
Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Before_Bandwidth_/_Af?=
By: MRO to Andeddu on Tue Oct 27 2020 04:44 pm
whatever, i'm not a biologist and i'm not acting as one.
a hermaphrodite is a genetic freak.
diatengu finds offense with this so maybe he has a pussy and a little co
I wasn't sayiung that having both reproductive organs which are underdevelop is normal. The natural world has its anomalies such as The Elephand Man, Siamese Twins and people with their vital organs on the outside rather than inside along with a myriad of other genetic deformaties. If you can think of it, nature has probably produced it. There's even a man with thick tufts of hair covering his face and body in India known as The Werewolf. I feel sorry for these people.
On 10-28-20 13:15, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
rights in their portfolio. Hmm, that sounds kinda familiar - the old
"But I have gay friends" defence.
I honestly want to understand this argument. I see it in a lot of situations, and it has been thrown at me as a weapon before, "proving"
my bigotness.
But there is a difference between respecting or toleratingpeople and Ar> sharing their point of view. It's one thing to
tolerate or even respect someone's point of view. But I'm talking
about _understanding_ it. Have you taken the time to do that?
If someone was to say that they have, would anyone believe it?
This is my entire issue when it comes to discussions dealing with
sexual, gender, or racial identities.
It's almost an automatic response to anything I attempt to say that I couldn't possibly understand because of 'privilege' because I am a
middle aged, white, heterosexual male.
Without knowing anything about my life, my experiences or anything
about me other than those things, it's taken for granted that I'm a
bigot and anything I say will only reinforce that opinion. Let alone asking a question to try and learn and better understand something.
Are there people who fit that profile? Yes, of course there are, or
else there likely would be no need for the discussions.
Warpslide wrote to Arelor <=-
My province (Ontario) recently announced that they want to introduce digital driver's licenses:
"Whether you're getting married or renewing your driver's licence or health card or filing paperwork for your business: We want to make services more accessible, more reliable and more convenient for you."
the Premier said.
Limping Ninja wrote to Arelor <=-
was. It was only in the last few years that you could get a same-day transfer in the US and even that is hit or miss.
If someone was to say that they have, would anyone believe it?
Only if they were able to say something that indicated they had - usually me
"I have gay friends" or "I know <insert token minority person here>"
is a common way people try to say they're not bigoted. It's been
used for many years, usually before or after making a bigoted
comment in a conversation. It's a poor attempt to prove otherwise.
With me, even less effective, because of the way I naturally see
patterns.
Perhaps what I said above shows that, perhaps not. I hope that it does,Only if they were able to say something that indicated they had -But there is a difference between respecting or toleratingpeople and Ar> sharing their point of view. It's one thing to
tolerate or even respect someone's point of view. But I'm talking
about _understanding_ it. Have you taken the time to do that?
If someone was to say that they have, would anyone believe it?
usually means approaching the subject with a more open mind.
This is my entire issue when it comes to discussions dealingwith CP> sexual, gender, or racial identities. CP> It's almost an
automatic response to anything I attempt to say that I CP> couldn't possibly understand because of 'privilege' because I am a CP> middle
aged, white, heterosexual male. Yes, that can sometimes be a
challenge. But privilege is insidious, and from my vantage point,
where I have a mix of privilege (white, cisgender male) and non
privilege (gay, autistic), I can get a bit of a view of both sides.
But even then, privilege is so embedded in our social structures
that I've only recently discovered how much I've used
(unconsciously) what privilege I have. Now I try to be more aware of
that. Yep, I've fallen foul of privileged assumptions myself, only
human. ;) Privilege can add an extra challenge to understanding, but doesn't make it impossible. Some priviliged people actually do
understand, they tend to become "allies" - people who use their
privilege to help support a non privileged minority.
Without knowing anything about my life, my experiences oranything CP> about me other than those things, it's taken for
granted that I'm a CP> bigot and anything I say will only reinforce
that opinion. Let alone CP> asking a question to try and learn and
better understand something. I don't know. This post suggested
genuine knowledge seeking, and I'm happy to try and answer genuine
attempts at seeking knowledge (as well as insincere ones, for the
benefit of the audience ;) ). But the reader can only go by the
evidence before them, so show them evidence contrary to their
assumptions. ;)
Well, some years ago, you could do all your online banking with a computer and a codecard. An increasing number of banks is ditching the codecard and enforcing the use of a propietary application that runs in a limited number of platforms and could have been an standard OTP generator for all they do. The way it is going, everybody is going to be forced to pay an extra to Apple and Alphabet in order to do things we take for granted today.
Whether it is good or bad is not up to me. It is what it is. And I am not about limiting options,I am about giving people options, and the options are quickly shrinking.
People around me keepds discarding phones faster than they change clothes due to reliability issues
which happens to be the most of the population :-P
I wasn't sayiung that having both reproductive organs which are underdevelop is normal. The natural world has its anomalies such as The Elephand Man, Siamese Twins and people with their vital organs on the outside rather than inside along with a myriad of other genetic deformaties. If you can think of it, nature has probably produced it. There's even a man with thick tufts of hair covering his face and body in India known as The Werewolf. I feel sorry for these people.
If you can find it, check out the movie Fur. Robert Downey JR plays a person with extreme hirsutism - abnormal growth of hair on areas that are normally not covered with hair.
Limping Ninja wrote to Arelor <=-
That may be somewhat related to the people you are around? Almost
everyone around me has had their phone for >2 years with some in the 5+ year range. The only ones with new phones are those that just want the bleeding edge and take advantage of debt programs offered by the
carriers.
We have a friend who buys a new iPhone every time a new model comes
out.
On 10-29-20 07:58, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/PALANT
Re: Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Before_Bandwidth_/_Af?=
By: Vk3jed to Charles Pierson on Thu Oct 29 2020 08:27 pm
If someone was to say that they have, would anyone believe it?
Only if they were able to say something that indicated they had - usually me
What you mean si you'd believe it if it agreed with your position.
On 10-29-20 09:31, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
With me, for example, if I say my first wife was black, it's not to
point out that I'm not prejudiced. Instead, it's simply a statement of fact. I fell in love with a woman. I found the person that I wanted to
spend my life with, until death do us part, which is exactly what happened. Her children from before us became our children. Her troubles became our troubles. The fact that she was black only matters because someone told me that I couldn't possibly understand what a black person goes through. I had the police called on me for walking in my
neighborhood because I looked different than my neighbors, or because I met my children, nieces and nephews to walk them home after school so
they didn't get bullied by older kids because "it didn't look right."
So I know and understand perfectly well what it is like to be judged
for what I am instead of who I am.
I know this deviates from the topic at hand, but I think it goes to
show that for all the privilege I might have, I do have at least some understanding of what those that don't go through.
Back to the primary topic here, I have known people who are
heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual. I've know people who are crossdressers. They are friends and family. I accept them and love them for who they are.
To my knowledge, I don't personally know anyone who is transgender or non-binary, or any other 'classification' for lack of knowledge of
another better term. But that doesn't prohibit me from loving and accepting them either.
But the problem arises when you have people on both sides that have the idea stuck in their heads that if you aren't 100% in agreement with
them, you are 100% in the wrong. Asking questions only proves how wrong you are. You just have to accept what they say as fact and move on without actually learning and beginning to truly understand.
I try to. Like I tried to here. You might accept it, you might not. All that I can do is say what I think and feel to the best of my understanding, hope it's understood that it's not a personal attack,
and that anything that either I am mistaken about or misunderstood
about can be clarified without accusations.
The iPhone Upgrade Program (iUP) is great for this. You basically lease t ne instead of buying it. The price is equilivent to the price of the phon plecare spread over 24 months. But the cool part is after 12 payments you rade it in for the new phone. They ship you the new one, you move your in en you return the old one in a box they send. If you decide not to upgrad er the 24 payments the phone is yours. All of them are unlocked and can b
with any carrier.
On 10-29-20 07:58, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/PALANT
Re: Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Before_Bandwidth_/_Af?=
By: Vk3jed to Charles Pierson on Thu Oct 29 2020 08:27 pm
If someone was to say that they have, would anyone believe it?
Only if they were able to say something that indicated they had - usually
What you mean si you'd believe it if it agreed with your position.
Read again. That's not what I said.
... If a program calls another program a little bugger, isn't it an insult?
All three carriers have this program where you have to give your phone back after two years. You can then upgrade to a new phone or pay off the balance and keep the phone.
Bob Roberts wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The iPhone Upgrade Program (iUP) is great for this. You basically
lease the phone instead of buying it. The price is equilivent to the price of the phone + Applecare spread over 24 months. But the cool
part is after 12 payments you can trade it in for the new phone.
Recurring revenue bundles are the way to go. Combine a phone,
Applecare, Apple Music and soon Apple Search in a monthly bundle will
be a moneymaker for them - and no one, save Google could do something similar. I think as soon as the anti-trust dust from this recent congressional activity fizzles out, you'll see that.
All three carriers have this program where you have to give your phone back after two years. You can
then upgrade to a new phone or pay off the balance and keep the phone.
That sounds way better that what Canadian carriers are
trying to pull right now.
Here's an example from Rogers:
https://www.rogers.com/consumer/wireless/upfront-edge
Full price $1200.00 Tax (10%) $120.00 Upfront Edge
amount - $320.00 Financing amount $1000.00 Monthly device
payments $41.66
Return your phone within 24 months or pay off Upfront Edge
amount of $320 and keep the phone.
If your phone has a cracked screen or has excessive
cosmetic wear & tear they simply won't take the phone
back, you have to pay off the "Upfront Edge" amount and
start again.
In the USA, they used to give you the phone at a heavily discounted price up-front, but you had to sign a 2 year agreement for the service. Later that got replaced because the "contracts" got such a bad rap. So the carriers said okay, you pay full price for the phone and can leave whenever you want and take the phone with you. But that's too expensive we
On 10-29-20 09:31, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=- CP> Withme, for example, if I say my first wife was black, it's not to CP>
point out that I'm not prejudiced. Instead, it's simply a statement
of CP> fact. I fell in love with a woman. I found the person that I
wanted to Yes, in that instance it would be a statement of fact.
But the issue comes when someone's first response is "Oh, I have gay friends", when challenged. It's been done ad nauseum over the years.
Yes, many do, and from what I've said, it sounds like you've used
your privilege and your experiences to become an ally for black
people.
But the problem arises when you have people on both sides thathave the CP> idea stuck in their heads that if you aren't 100% in
agreement with CP> them, you are 100% in the wrong. Asking questions
only proves how wrong CP> you are. You just have to accept what
they say as fact and move on CP> without actually learning and
beginning to truly understand. It certainly is a lot more nuanced.
So much so I constantly question my beliefs, but I try and respect everyone. There's probably an Aussie cultural trait or two that
might bias me towards supporting those more downtrodden by society -
my interpretation of the "fair go", and "favouring the underdog".
Yes, we all have our own cultural lens to look through. Is there
anything that's 100%? I'd say no, far from it usually.
Re: Re: Dumbphones
By: Bob Roberts to Warpslide on Sat Oct 31 2020 10:00 pm
In the USA, they used to give you the phone at a heavily discounted pri up-front, but you had to sign a 2 year agreement for the service. Later that got replaced because the "contracts" got such a bad rap. So the carriers said okay, you pay full price for the phone and can leave whenever you want and take the phone with you. But that's too expensive
I was wondering what happened.. These days it seems like you can buy the ph
Nightfox
On 11-01-20 13:20, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I do get that. It's infuriating that it is apparently so commonplace
that it's very nearly automatically taken as sign that you're just
saying that to hide your bigotness.
Yes, many do, and from what I've said, it sounds like you've used
your privilege and your experiences to become an ally for black
people.
I don't know that I'd go that far.
I'm finally understanding what is supposed to be meant when the term privilege in these types of discussions. I was getting to the point
where I was beginning to hear that line from The Princess Bride in my
head when people throw it out like a weapon.
To me, things are much simpler. There is a right way to treat people
and a wrong way. Skin tone, who you love, what religion you follow,
none of that should matter in how someone is treated.
I just have to accept that people do feel that way, and accept them for who they are.
A couple of centuries ago, the US were the upstart underdogs. I know
it's not popular, or generally acceptable anymore to talk like that,
but it's true.
I grew up believing what I was taught that the US stood for. Everybody
is equal, and everybody has an equal opportunity to be a success and to find happiness. That doesn't necessarily mean that you will be
successful, or that you will be happy. God knows I'm proof of that.
That doesn't mean that I'm so nieve as to believe that everyone thinks that way.
On 11-01-20 13:20, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=- CP> I doget that. It's infuriating that it is apparently so commonplace CP>
that it's very nearly automatically taken as sign that you're just
saying that to hide your bigotness. Sadly, it has been a common"smokescreen" for decades, though I think it's becomming a little
less common now.
Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means whatYes, many do, and from what I've said, it sounds like you've usedyourself? (I mean that as a compliment) CP> I'm finally
your privilege and your experiences to become an ally for black
people.
I don't know that I'd go that far. Maybe you're underselling
understanding what is supposed to be meant when the term CP>
privilege in these types of discussions. I was getting to the point
where I was beginning to hear that line from The Princess Bridein my CP> head when people throw it out like a weapon. I'm not
familiar with that line. :/
To me, things are much simpler. There is a right way to treatpeople CP> and a wrong way. Skin tone, who you love, what religion
you follow, CP> none of that should matter in how someone is
treated. I'm with on you on this, but I've found privilege to be an insidious thing. The real eye opener was being aware of the
unconscious biases of what privilege I have. Now that I'm aware of
it, I can do something about it (I can't change what I'm not aware
of in myself). And that has allowed me to treat people better. CP>
I just have to accept that people do feel that way, and accept them
for CP> who they are. Yes, accept and respect. It is that simple.
A couple of centuries ago, the US were the upstart underdogs. Iknow CP> it's not popular, or generally acceptable anymore to talk
like that, CP> but it's true. Indeed, the US had to start somewhere.
I grew up believing what I was taught that the US stood for.Everybody CP> is equal, and everybody has an equal opportunity to be
a success and to CP> find happiness. That doesn't necessarily mean
that you will be CP> successful, or that you will be happy. God
knows I'm proof of that. We have similar beliefs about the Aussie
"fair go" over here, but we've gone through a period of self
reflection here, about institutional racism and other unconscious
biases. And yes, individual situations don't always live up to
ideals.
I'm assuming most of the hoops were because it was a >$10K wire
transfer, which seems to be the threshold for additional scrutiny.
I was wondering what happened.. These days it seems like you can buy the phone up-front or add a "lease" fee to your monthly bill, which will make your monthly bill more expensive.. I was wondering where the discounted phone price went.
On 11-02-20 07:36, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
The person in the conversation said my turning them down and avoiding their attempted sexual assault proved I was homophobic. At that point
I finally realized I was being trolled, or at least hoped I was.
But, it has stuck with me. And while I do know that "I have friends
who are ....." is used sometimes as a deflection, seeing it immediately dismissed as such still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
for CP> who they are. Yes, accept and respect. It is that simple.
I've always thought so.
A couple of centuries ago, the US were the upstart underdogs. Iknow CP> it's not popular, or generally acceptable anymore to talk
like that, CP> but it's true. Indeed, the US had to start somewhere.
However, if you listen to a certain segment of the population, it was founded by a bunch of racist, sexist people that didn't have a clue
I think reflection is key here.
Not only self reflection, but reflection on history.
For thousands of years, all of recorded history and beyond, one group
or another has oppressed, enslaved, or wiped out another, because of
some perceived difference, be it cultural, ethnic, whatever.
It's only been a blink of the eye, relatively speaking, that people
have been trying to move beyond that.
Yes, it's frustrating that there is no magic button to push to make it
all vanish.
it was CP> founded by a bunch of racist, sexist people that didn'tA couple of centuries ago, the US were the upstart underdogs. Iknow CP> it's not popular, or generally acceptable anymore to talk
like that, CP> but it's true. Indeed, the US had to start
somewhere.
However, if you listen to a certain segment of the population,
have a clue Those things are hard to judge, cultural norms have
changed dramatically over the centuries.
In the US $10K is the breaking point for certain reporting requirements, which may include DOHS and IRS reporting. Of course The Patriot Act extended this iirc.
On 11-05-20 00:29, Charles Pierson wrote to Vk3jed <=-
50 or 100 years from now, undoubtedly they will look back on us and ask themselves "what in the hell were they thinking?"
If you want true change in society, blaming or worse, ignoring history
is not the way forward.
The past is exactly that, the past. Nothing will change that. The way forward to true change is through education and dialog.
Yes, it's a long, slow process. Yes, much of it is long past due. But
if you try to force change, there is going to be push back.
There are always going to be some people who will have an 'us vs them' attitude. There isn't anything you can do with that type of mindset.
But, contrary to how it appears in news reports, that mindset is in the minority. A very vocal minority perhaps, but a minority.
It's a process that will definitely outlast me, and may take something out of the ordinary to force the issue a bit from "outside". That outside force _may_ be climate change, or the arrival of the Vulcans - Oops, been watching too much Star Trek. :D
On 11-05-20 14:08, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
We only have to wait another 43 years for the Vulcans. World War 3
will be tough though. Oh wait... :P
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