• Temple BBS

    From Lestat9@VERT/TEMPLE to SBBS User Avatars on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 18:10:22
    Hey Guys Im in venice florida
    Month 8 of the lockdown how you all doin?

    Its a ghost town here in venice. Many stores are shutdown maybe perminatly
    The only places really open are fast food and dairy queen is the most popular with sundown drive though numbers like 20 cars for dinner every night and macdonalds looks like it has no one..

    We can still go to the beach here but thats about it

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to Lestat9 on Sunday, October 25, 2020 16:31:09
    Re: Temple BBS
    By: Lestat9 to SBBS User Avatars on Wed Oct 21 2020 06:10 pm

    Hey Guys Im in venice florida
    Month 8 of the lockdown how you all doin?

    Its a ghost town here in venice. Many stores are shutdown maybe perminatly The only places really open are fast food and dairy queen is the most popular with sundown drive though numbers like 20 cars for dinner every night and macdonalds looks like it has no one..

    We can still go to the beach here but thats about it

    Hey there. I stay in the UK and it's the same story. Most shops are shut in my area and the high street is dead. The businesses are unlikely to ever return as most appear to have gone completely under. McDonalds is still very popular here though, I see huge queues whenever I pass.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Andeddu on Monday, October 26, 2020 17:20:49
    Re: Temple BBS
    By: Andeddu to Lestat9 on Sun Oct 25 2020 04:31 pm

    is the most popular with sundown drive though numbers like 20 cars for
    dinner every night and macdonalds looks like it has no one..

    We can still go to the beach here but thats about it

    Hey there. I stay in the UK and it's the same story. Most shops are shut in my area and the high street is dead. The businesses are unlikely to ever return as most appear to have gone completely under. McDonalds is still very popular here though, I see huge queues whenever I pass.

    oh yes. it's about keeping people safe! people here want everything locked own again and they dont care if people lose their jobs, cars and starve! have to keep the people safe!
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andeddu on Monday, October 26, 2020 07:01:00
    Andeddu wrote to Lestat9 <=-

    Hey there. I stay in the UK and it's the same story. Most shops are
    shut in my area and the high street is dead. The businesses are
    unlikely to ever return as most appear to have gone completely under. McDonalds is still very popular here though, I see huge queues whenever
    I pass.

    For my wife's birthday yesterday, we were going to get delivery from
    a nice restaurant we hadn't been to since this all started. Realized
    they were closed on Sundays, so instead went to a local bakery that
    does wonderful prepared foods. The line was around the block due to
    Covid restrictions, but moved quickly - and once I got inside,
    realized that on a normal day, there'd be the same amount of people,
    except clamoring inside holding a number.

    I was glad to see their business keeping up. A home goods store and
    art store in the same strip mall were empty and for lease.

    When we finally do turn the corner, I'm worried that small businesses
    won't recover and chains will end up occupying what was once a
    divserse small business environment.

    Who needs a french bakery or a locally-owned bagel shop when you
    could have another Quizno's?



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, October 26, 2020 22:27:25
    Re: Re: Temple BBS
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Mon Oct 26 2020 07:01 am


    When we finally do turn the corner, I'm worried that small businesses won't recover and chains will end up occupying what was once a
    divserse small business environment.

    Who needs a french bakery or a locally-owned bagel shop when you
    could have another Quizno's?



    they probably arent keeping up. they are probably making 25% of their normal money. plus rent is expensive in your area.

    this shit is destroying businesss. destroying. some of what is lost will never be regained.
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  • From Limping Ninja@VERT/CAPSHRIL to Lestat9 on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 04:45:54
    Hey Guys Im in venice florida
    Month 8 of the lockdown how you all doin?

    Its a ghost town here in venice. Many stores are shutdown maybe perminatly The only places really open are fast food and dairy queen is the most popular with sundown drive though numbers like 20 cars for dinner every night and macdonalds looks like it has no one..

    As a born Floridian living in Sweden, I'm sorry to hear about that. Over here everything is going well, I haven't seen any closures beyond temporarily changes to times and days. We had the Chinese place down the street close up for about 5 days while they decided a way to rearrange the interior.

    For the most part, despite the media, Swedish people are socially distant by nature. There is a MEME you can google "Swedish bus stop" which is really quite true. When this started everyone (who could) started to work from home, groceries installed plexiglass dangling sheets, limits for queues were put in place, restaurants were required to stagger indoor table seating, busses became free and the driver is roped off, etc.

    Beyond that Swedish people were told what was safe and expected to do it. There are younger groups that don't really follow along and there are a few embarrassing groups that sometimes "forget" but for the most part Swedes keep distance and keep sanitized. Our numbers were terrible in the first wave, second number rebound has no deaths. I can't say if the "plan" worked.

    An important thing is that even most rural businesses are still operating and not many people are out of work and those sick or unemployed have a good safety net and treatment. My daughter in Florida got fired for calling in sick after catching COVID (and no response on her complaint on this), the unemployment website crashed and she spent 9 weeks trying to apply in Tallahassee and online - they lost her application, and were it not for sending money from here she would have lost her apartment, and she has a ton of bills because her medical insurance was so poor.

    Buuuut.... upside is that she has What-a-burger? xD

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to MRO on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 16:19:10
    Re: Temple BBS
    By: MRO to Andeddu on Mon Oct 26 2020 05:20 pm

    oh yes. it's about keeping people safe! people here want everything locked own again and they dont care if people lose their jobs, cars and starve! have to keep the people safe!

    The chickens are coming home to roost and by next year we'll very likely witness a terrible economic collapse. The global economy is pretty irrepairable now as the damage has already been done. In Italy there have been open skirmishes between desperate mobs and the police due to these lockdowns; I've even seen videos of riot police fleeing from hundreds of angry townspeople. We live in terrifying and volatile times...

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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 16:48:38
    Re: Re: Temple BBS
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Mon Oct 26 2020 07:01 am

    When we finally do turn the corner, I'm worried that small businesses
    won't recover and chains will end up occupying what was once a
    divserse small business environment.

    Who needs a french bakery or a locally-owned bagel shop when you
    could have another Quizno's?

    My expectations are that small family owned businesses such as cafes are going to be replaced by Starbucks and Costa Coffee as times goes on. A recent study by YELP revealed that 60% of SMEs (small and medium enterprises) in the USA are dead in the water and are not coming back once the furlough ends, that's a total of 163,735 businesses. Another round of phased lockdowns during the winter will kill off the rest of these businesses.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Limping Ninja on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 06:58:00
    Limping Ninja wrote to Lestat9 <=-

    An important thing is that even most rural businesses are still
    operating and not many people are out of work and those sick or
    unemployed have a good safety net and treatment. My daughter in Florida got fired for calling in sick after catching COVID (and no response on
    her complaint on this), the unemployment website crashed and she spent
    9 weeks trying to apply in Tallahassee and online - they lost her application, and were it not for sending money from here she would have lost her apartment, and she has a ton of bills because her medical insurance was so poor.

    Sweden is working with a pragmatic, conservative culture - I'd often
    thought that the Scandinavian countries should be a hotbed of startup
    and distruptive technology. If I could take a risk to create a new
    business model, I could crash the business and still have a safety
    net of a decent unemployment and paid medical care, I'd be a serial
    entrepreneur.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andeddu on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 07:38:00
    Andeddu wrote to MRO <=-

    The chickens are coming home to roost and by next year we'll very
    likely witness a terrible economic collapse. The global economy is
    pretty irrepairable now as the damage has already been done.

    And the spoils are hidden away by the rich. Physical revolution might
    not make a difference now, it might be time for a Mr. Robot-esque
    revolution. Delete digital debt and start over.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andeddu on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 07:41:00
    Andeddu wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    My expectations are that small family owned businesses such as cafes
    are going to be replaced by Starbucks and Costa Coffee as times goes
    on.

    Yes, it's a shame. One of the things I lament about the evolution in
    San Francisco is that rising rent and house prices mean that a
    mom-n-pop bagel shop or coffee shop is no longer a viable business
    for someone who lives in the city.

    Then, someone comes in and throws wods of cash at them for the real
    estate and multi-generational businesses and homes disappear. Instead
    of passing on the family home or small shop, retirees are selling and
    moving out of town.



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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, October 30, 2020 02:44:15
    Re: Re: Temple BBS
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Wed Oct 28 2020 07:41 am

    Yes, it's a shame. One of the things I lament about the evolution in
    San Francisco is that rising rent and house prices mean that a
    mom-n-pop bagel shop or coffee shop is no longer a viable business
    for someone who lives in the city.

    Then, someone comes in and throws wods of cash at them for the real
    estate and multi-generational businesses and homes disappear. Instead
    of passing on the family home or small shop, retirees are selling and
    moving out of town.

    I've watched a number of videos by YouTuber Louis Rossmann who is a NYC business owner. He complained about smaller businesses being priced out of the real estate market resulting in a Chase Bank around every other street corner along with generic Apple stores, Starbucks along with the same multinational chains and banks taking up the majority of the prime high density areas. He believes that the push towards remote working and the everlasting effects of COVID-19 on the working enviroment will free up some of this space for smaller businesses as it'll no longer be profitable. We will see a period of normalisation in the property market, especially in larger Tier 1 cities.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andeddu on Friday, October 30, 2020 07:12:00
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    I've watched a number of videos by YouTuber Louis Rossmann who is a NYC business owner.

    Is he the Apple repair guy?

    He complained about smaller businesses being priced out
    of the real estate market resulting in a Chase Bank around every other street corner along with generic Apple stores, Starbucks along with the same multinational chains and banks taking up the majority of the prime high density areas. He believes that the push towards remote working
    and the everlasting effects of COVID-19 on the working enviroment will free up some of this space for smaller businesses as it'll no longer be profitable. We will see a period of normalisation in the property
    market, especially in larger Tier 1 cities.

    Hopefully. There's a vibrancy in a small community that owns its own
    businesses and where people of all walks of life can afford to be
    there.

    Old San Francisco was having a drink at a bar, and striking up a
    conversation with the guy next to you. He was a longshoreman, or a
    plumber, or a carpenter, or worked in real estate, or was a CPA, or
    an artist...

    Now, it's all tech.





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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:42:18
    Re: Re: Temple BBS
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Fri Oct 30 2020 07:12 am

    Is he the Apple repair guy?

    Hopefully. There's a vibrancy in a small community that owns its own
    businesses and where people of all walks of life can afford to be
    there.

    Old San Francisco was having a drink at a bar, and striking up a
    conversation with the guy next to you. He was a longshoreman, or a
    plumber, or a carpenter, or worked in real estate, or was a CPA, or
    an artist...

    Now, it's all tech.

    Yup, he's the Apple repair guy and right to repair advocate.

    I've seen the same happen in big UK cities, a lot of prime real estate ends up in the hands of the multinationals due to sky high rental prices resulting in areas with zero character. I hear San Fransisco is particularly bad as the native population have been priced out by tech yuppies looking to fill their boots, make as much money as possible and gain experience for their CV before leaving to go elsewhere. They end up doing long hours and contributing little to the area other than paying high tax-rates.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andeddu on Sunday, November 01, 2020 06:19:00
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    gain experience for their CV before leaving to go elsewhere. They end
    up doing long hours and contributing little to the area other than
    paying high tax-rates.

    I've told the story before of walking through my old stomping grounds
    - I was walking from the train station to meet my family at Cirque Du
    Soleil and wanted to see the area.

    There are a ton of restaurants in the area, lunchtime was always a
    treat. Now, they were empty, and the high-rise condo building had a
    line of doordash and waiters on wheels delivery cars entering the
    parking structure. Why pay to live in a vibrant city if you aren't
    going to enjoy it?



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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, November 02, 2020 17:14:11
    Re: Re: Temple BBS
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Sun Nov 01 2020 06:19 am

    I've told the story before of walking through my old stomping grounds
    - I was walking from the train station to meet my family at Cirque Du
    Soleil and wanted to see the area.

    There are a ton of restaurants in the area, lunchtime was always a
    treat. Now, they were empty, and the high-rise condo building had a
    line of doordash and waiters on wheels delivery cars entering the
    parking structure. Why pay to live in a vibrant city if you aren't
    going to enjoy it?

    That's why people don't care about these cities. They're only there to work, gain experience and make money at some big name company and move elsewhere. Working at Google and living in San Fransisco in rented accomodation as a low-mid level employee is not a long-term plan for many people. Those who move elsewhere into cheaper cities and smaller companies end up making more money and living a better quality of life. When you're young and don't have a family, Silicon Valley makes sense, it makes a lot less sense when you're in your mid/late 30s and are suddenly faced with real responsibilities.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Andeddu on Tuesday, November 03, 2020 07:08:00
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    work, gain experience and make money at some big name company and move elsewhere. Working at Google and living in San Fransisco in rented accomodation as a low-mid level employee is not a long-term plan for
    many people. Those who move elsewhere into cheaper cities and smaller companies end up making more money and living a better quality of life.

    It used to be that SMEs lived in the cities and management, once they
    got married and had families moved out to the suburbs, with good
    school districts and back yards.

    When you're young and don't have a family, Silicon Valley makes sense,
    it makes a lot less sense when you're in your mid/late 30s and are suddenly faced with real responsibilities.

    My wife and I drove through San Francisco and asked each other if
    we'd ever want to live there again (we both lived there for 10+
    years in the 80s/90s)

    We're lucky to have gotten the opportunity to live there when we did.
    Couldn't imagine dealing with the traffic and overcrowding now. I
    wonder if when the Covid dust settles if it might regain some of its
    charm.




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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, November 03, 2020 15:35:17
    On 10/28/2020 7:38 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    And the spoils are hidden away by the rich. Physical revolution might
    not make a difference now, it might be time for a Mr. Robot-esque
    revolution. Delete digital debt and start over.

    Who owns the houses they've been making payments on for years if the
    debt is deleted? The bank, the person living there? What about rented property?

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tracker1 on Wednesday, November 04, 2020 07:34:00
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    Who owns the houses they've been making payments on for years if the
    debt is deleted? The bank, the person living there? What about rented property?

    Well, possession is 9/10ths of the law, some say - and laws tend to
    provide protections to the posessors.

    Want to forclose? Show me the note. Oh, you don't have the note? Then
    you don't have a legal leg to stand on.




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  • From Andeddu@VERT/AMSTRAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, November 04, 2020 18:17:09
    Re: Re: Temple BBS
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Tue Nov 03 2020 07:08 am

    My wife and I drove through San Francisco and asked each other if
    we'd ever want to live there again (we both lived there for 10+
    years in the 80s/90s)

    We're lucky to have gotten the opportunity to live there when we did.
    Couldn't imagine dealing with the traffic and overcrowding now. I
    wonder if when the Covid dust settles if it might regain some of its
    charm.

    I hope these cities survive the ravages of COVID and the subsequent economic downturn and rebuild in a holistic and positive way too.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, November 04, 2020 19:53:03
    Re: Re: Temple BBS
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Wed Nov 04 2020 07:34 am


    Want to forclose? Show me the note. Oh, you don't have the note? Then
    you don't have a legal leg to stand on.


    i'm sure they have it on paper. my car loan was on paper.
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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, November 04, 2020 16:49:17
    On 11/4/2020 8:34 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    Who owns the houses they've been making payments on for years if the
    debt is deleted? The bank, the person living there? What about rented
    property?

    Well, possession is 9/10ths of the law, some say - and laws tend to
    provide protections to the posessors.

    Want to forclose? Show me the note. Oh, you don't have the note? Then
    you don't have a legal leg to stand on.

    Or, I have a gun, you're tresspassing, and I feel threatened, *bang*

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Friday, November 06, 2020 06:57:00
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    Want to forclose? Show me the note. Oh, you don't have the note? Then
    you don't have a legal leg to stand on.

    i'm sure they have it on paper. my car loan was on paper.

    Don't be so sure. Home mortgages were traded/sold multiple times in
    some cases, and the paperwork never made it. There have been cases
    where people have demanded that banks prove ownership and were unable
    to when forclosing on a similarly passed-around mortgages.



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