• Fiber Network

    From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to All on Thursday, November 12, 2020 23:59:14
    In my City they're now running Fiber, checking into it I would have to lease the fiber line for $30 but then could decide who I get internet through.
    what types of Modems work with Fiber?

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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Denn on Friday, November 13, 2020 01:58:14
    Denn wrote:
    In my City they're now running Fiber, checking into it I would have to lease the fiber line for $30 but then could decide who I get internet through.
    what types of Modems work with Fiber?

    Where they installed fiber here you got an ONT (optical network terminator) which will probably have an RJ45 that'll connect to the WAN port on any
    router. I used the one provided by Verizon, then Frontier, and finally
    replaced it with a used Netgear R6220 that runs openwrt.

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  • From deepthaw@VERT/CORTEX to Denn on Friday, November 13, 2020 02:09:00
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: Denn to All on Thu Nov 12 2020 11:59 pm

    Generally you're going to be stuck with whatever modem they let you rent. I have gigabit fiber from AT&T for $60/month and it's pretty all kinds of awesome.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Denn on Friday, November 13, 2020 08:14:24
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: Denn to All on Thu Nov 12 2020 11:59 pm

    In my City they're now running Fiber, checking into it I would have to lease the fiber line for $30 but then could decide who I get internet through. what types of Modems work with Fiber?

    Typically, fiber internet uses a different type of device called an ONT (Optical Network Terminal), and as far as I know, those are typically owned and installed by the fiber internet provider. They're typically installed on the side of or inside of the building where you reside. I had a house where the ONT was on the outside (in a protective box) near where some of the other connections were. I'm in an apartment now, and the ONT is installed in one of the closets.. You'd typically plug your router into the ONT via ethernet.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to deepthaw on Friday, November 13, 2020 08:14:59
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: deepthaw to Denn on Fri Nov 13 2020 02:09 am

    Generally you're going to be stuck with whatever modem they let you rent. I have gigabit fiber from AT&T for $60/month and it's pretty all kinds of awesome.

    That's not true.. With fiber, they typically seem to just provide the ONT, but you can buy whatever router you want and plug it into the ONT via ethernet.

    Nightfox

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  • From deepthaw@VERT/CORTEX to Nightfox on Friday, November 13, 2020 11:29:40
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: Nightfox to deepthaw on Fri Nov 13 2020 08:14 am

    That's not true.. With fiber, they typically seem to just provide the ONT, but you can buy whatever router you want and plug it into the ONT via ethernet.

    Ugh. Wish that was true for me. I have a combination router/modem that I'm required to rent and have zero choice in the manner. Also have the ONT (that's the box that fiber comes into, and cat5 comes out of, right?)

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to deepthaw on Friday, November 13, 2020 12:31:14
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: deepthaw to Nightfox on Fri Nov 13 2020 11:29 am

    That's not true.. With fiber, they typically seem to just provide the
    ONT, but you can buy whatever router you want and plug it into the ONT
    via ethernet.

    Ugh. Wish that was true for me. I have a combination router/modem that I'm required to rent and have zero choice in the manner. Also have the ONT (that's the box that fiber comes into, and cat5 comes out of, right?)

    Yes, the ONT is the box that the fiber comes into and has the cat5 ethernet port. (I guess it could be cat6 these days too)

    Even if they require you to rent a router, you should still be able to buy and use your own. And since they use an ONT, why do they need you to use a router that has a modem component?

    Nightfox

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  • From deepthaw@VERT/CORTEX to Nightfox on Friday, November 13, 2020 15:56:32
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: Nightfox to deepthaw on Fri Nov 13 2020 12:31 pm

    Even if they require you to rent a router, you should still be able to buy and use your own. And since they use an ONT, why do they need you to use a router that has a modem component?

    Because they're AT&T. I can use my own router by making the first one go into passthrough mode, but I'm paying an equipment rental fee no matter what.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to deepthaw on Friday, November 13, 2020 20:36:08
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: deepthaw to Nightfox on Fri Nov 13 2020 03:56 pm

    Even if they require you to rent a router, you should still be able to
    buy and use your own. And since they use an ONT, why do they need you
    to use a router that has a modem component?

    Because they're AT&T. I can use my own router by making the first one go into passthrough mode, but I'm paying an equipment rental fee no matter what.

    I'm wondering what the modem component is for if you're using it with an ONT..? Does the modem part go unused?

    Nightfox

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  • From deepthaw@VERT/CORTEX to Nightfox on Saturday, November 14, 2020 08:43:30
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: Nightfox to deepthaw on Fri Nov 13 2020 08:36 pm

    I'm wondering what the modem component is for if you're using it with an ONT..? Does the modem part go unused?

    Now you've gotten me to look into it... Looks like it's a modem/router/voice gateway, it's an ARRIS BGW210-700 which Amazon's listing says "ONT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS MODEM TO WORK WITH YOUR SERVICE." We're outside my area of expertise right now.

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  • From Bob Roberts@VERT/HOVAL to Nightfox on Saturday, November 14, 2020 21:15:50
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: Nightfox to deepthaw on Fri Nov 13 2020 08:14 am

    rent. I have gigabit fiber from AT&T for $60/month and it's pretty
    all kinds of awesome.
    That's not true.. With fiber, they typically seem to just provide the ONT, but you can buy whatever router you want and plug it into the ONT via ethernet.

    Not with ATT fiber to the home. You have to use their stupid box which serves as a router and WAP. Most of that can be disabled and you can plug in your own router, but you can't take theirs out of the loop unless you do some hackery with cloned certificates.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Bob Roberts on Saturday, November 14, 2020 22:20:46
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: Bob Roberts to Nightfox on Sat Nov 14 2020 09:15 pm

    That's not true.. With fiber, they typically seem to just provide
    the ONT, but you can buy whatever router you want and plug it into
    the ONT via ethernet.

    Not with ATT fiber to the home. You have to use their stupid box which serves as a router and WAP. Most of that can be disabled and you can plug in your own router, but you can't take theirs out of the loop unless you do some hackery with cloned certificates.

    I haven't seen AT&T Fiber here, so I wasn't aware. There are a few other fiber companies in my area.

    Nightfox

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Bob Roberts on Sunday, November 15, 2020 07:19:00
    Bob Roberts wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Not with ATT fiber to the home. You have to use their stupid box which serves as a router and WAP. Most of that can be disabled and you can
    plug in your own router, but you can't take theirs out of the loop
    unless you do some hackery with cloned certificates.

    I think they're all like that. The network providers want to have an
    endpoint they can control - which is why my Comcast box is in bridge
    mode.

    They have some cool parental controls and a mesh network, but do I
    really trust a for-profit internet provider on my LAN? No thanks.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, November 16, 2020 08:27:34
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bob Roberts on Sun Nov 15 2020 07:19 am

    Not with ATT fiber to the home. You have to use their stupid box
    which serves as a router and WAP. Most of that can be disabled and
    you can plug in your own router, but you can't take theirs out of
    the loop unless you do some hackery with cloned certificates.

    I think they're all like that. The network providers want to have an endpoint they can control - which is why my Comcast box is in bridge
    mode.

    Not all of them. I have Ziply Fiber internet, and they did originally provide a router when I signed up (which seemed to have diagnostics they could run from their end), but now they seem to have no problem with you having your own router. I recently moved, and the tech even asked me what kind of router I have. I still had the old router from them - I gave it back to him, and he took it with him with no questions asked.

    Nightfox

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nelgin on Thursday, November 19, 2020 00:28:52
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: Nelgin to Denn on Fri Nov 13 2020 01:58 am

    Where they installed fiber here you got an ONT (optical network terminator) which will probably have an RJ45 that'll connect to the WAN port on any router. I used the one provided by Verizon, then Frontier, and finally replaced it with a used Netgear R6220 that runs openwrt.

    I have a Netgear Nighthawk x6 that is in their list of routers.
    so I wont need a modem?

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to deepthaw on Thursday, November 19, 2020 00:33:22
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: deepthaw to Denn on Fri Nov 13 2020 02:09 am

    Generally you're going to be stuck with whatever modem they let you rent. I have gigabit fiber from AT&T for $60/month and it's pretty all kinds of awesome.

    From what I read on their website I have to lease the fiber line then pick my Internet provider.
    Fiber wont be ready for a month or so.
    the line is $30 + internet so it may not be worth it.

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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Denn on Friday, November 20, 2020 23:40:14
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: Denn to Nelgin on Thu Nov 19 2020 00:28:52

    Where they installed fiber here you got an ONT (optical network terminator) which will probably have an RJ45 that'll connect to the WAN port on any router. I used the one provided by Verizon, then Frontier, and finally replaced it with a used Netgear R6220 that runs openwrt.

    I have a Netgear Nighthawk x6 that is in their list of routers.
    so I wont need a modem?

    It depends on your provider. Frontier force you to pay a rental free for your modem whether you use it or not. I believe there's some sort of complaint about it but they'll always find another way to jack up your bill.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nelgin on Saturday, November 21, 2020 06:58:00
    Nelgin wrote to Denn <=-

    It depends on your provider. Frontier force you to pay a rental free
    for your modem whether you use it or not. I believe there's some sort
    of complaint about it but they'll always find another way to jack up
    your bill.

    When one of the government fees changed and providers no longer
    needed to charge the associated surcharge, Verizon added their own
    surcharge for their customer's convenience, so they'd see the same
    price every month.

    How compassionate they are.

    This is the same company that used to measure (back when people paid
    by the minute for cell phone calls) how much they made by having the
    voicemail announcement play the "If you'd like to leave a message,
    press 2. To send a fax, press 3." message.

    There was a campaign to get rid of the message, and you could call
    them to turn it off. What you ended up with was 14 seconds of dead
    air between your greeting and the beep.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nelgin on Saturday, November 21, 2020 10:46:38
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: Nelgin to Denn on Fri Nov 20 2020 11:40 pm

    It depends on your provider. Frontier force you to pay a rental free for your modem whether you use it or not. I believe there's some sort of complaint about it but they'll always find another way to jack up your bill.


    if you return the hardware you should not be charged for it.
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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to MRO on Saturday, November 21, 2020 22:18:05
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: MRO to Nelgin on Sat Nov 21 2020 10:46:38

    It depends on your provider. Frontier force you to pay a rental free for your modem whether you use it or not. I believe there's some sort of complaint about it but they'll always find another way to jack up your bill.


    if you return the hardware you should not be charged for it.

    You have to have the hardware to have the service.

    This is what happens when there's no competition in the market place.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nelgin on Saturday, November 21, 2020 22:50:47
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: Nelgin to MRO on Sat Nov 21 2020 10:18 pm

    It depends on your provider. Frontier force you to pay a rental
    if you return the hardware you should not be charged for it.

    You have to have the hardware to have the service.

    This is what happens when there's no competition in the market place.

    In my area we have about 10 or more Companies, the cheapest being $49.95
    then we have to pay a $30 monthly fee for the fiber line.
    Fiber in my city is not hooked up yet, Xfinity cable is what I have now, seems fast enough for me.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nelgin on Sunday, November 22, 2020 10:47:42
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: Nelgin to MRO on Sat Nov 21 2020 10:18 pm

    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: MRO to Nelgin on Sat Nov 21 2020 10:46:38

    It depends on your provider. Frontier force you to pay a rental
    free for your modem whether you use it or not. I believe there's
    some sort of complaint about it but they'll always find another
    way to jack up your bill.


    if you return the hardware you should not be charged for it.

    You have to have the hardware to have the service.

    This is what happens when there's no competition in the market place.

    if you are able to use a modem you own and they allow it, AND you return their hardware, you can't be charged for the hardware rental. you have to have it to rent it.

    take them to court and make a lot of money.
    they cant get away with everything.
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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to Denn on Monday, November 23, 2020 05:08:56
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: Denn to Nelgin on Sat Nov 21 2020 22:50:47

    In my area we have about 10 or more Companies, the cheapest being $49.95 then we have to pay a $30 monthly fee for the fiber line.
    Fiber in my city is not hooked up yet, Xfinity cable is what I have now, seems fast enough for me.

    For cable we have one option, and for fiber we have one option. I'm paying about $78.99 a month for 500mb/s up/down which isn't too bad.

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  • From Nelgin@VERT/EOTLBBS to MRO on Monday, November 23, 2020 05:12:36
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: MRO to Nelgin on Sun Nov 22 2020 10:47:42

    take them to court and make a lot of money.
    they cant get away with everything.

    On December 2020, it'll be law they will not be able to charge for equipment the customer returns...but I bet they will still find a way to get $10 onto the price.

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Denn on Monday, November 23, 2020 10:31:22
    Re: Fiber Network
    By: Denn to deepthaw on Thu Nov 19 2020 00:33:22

    From what I read on their website I have to lease the fiber line then pick my Internet provider.
    Fiber wont be ready for a month or so.
    the line is $30 + internet so it may not be worth it.

    Wow, I pay $70/month for Google and that a full Gig BOTH directions. And our in house tech guru has bypassed their router with his own hardware, so the only way Google can turn off our internet is to send a tech out and physically disconnect us from the main line.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nelgin on Tuesday, November 24, 2020 21:56:12
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: Nelgin to MRO on Mon Nov 23 2020 05:12 am

    On December 2020, it'll be law they will not be able to charge for equipment the customer returns...but I bet they will still find a way to get $10 onto price.

    Yea.. It's called a "Usage Fee".

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to Nelgin on Thursday, November 26, 2020 00:03:18
    Re: Re: Fiber Network
    By: Nelgin to Denn on Mon Nov 23 2020 05:08 am

    In my area we have about 10 or more Companies, the cheapest being
    $49.95 then we have to pay a $30 monthly fee for the fiber line.
    Fiber in my city is not hooked up yet, Xfinity cable is what I have
    now, seems fast enough for me.

    For cable we have one option, and for fiber we have one option. I'm paying about $78.99 a month for 500mb/s up/down which isn't too bad.

    I get 20/400, would love to have faster upload speed:(

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