I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big tech to run their
own bbses.
Re: Censorship and crap
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sat Nov 14 2020 11:32:00
I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big
tech to run their
own bbses.
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than users.
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than
Re: Censorship and crap
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sat Nov 14 2020 11:32:00
I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big tech run their
own bbses.
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than users.
First issue is marketing. Some dudette I know was having trouble sucking users in because she was telling them, about her BBS. Don't call it BBS. Call it "My Website" (her's has a nice web interface set up).
The second issue is that anything that is appealing to the masses will turn into crap faster than you can blink your eyes.
I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big tech to ru
their
own bbses.
Dennisk wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-
I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big tech to run their own bbses.
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's.
Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more
BBS's than users.
Bob Roberts wrote to Dennisk <=-
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than
I think we're already in that scenario. :-)
Arelor wrote to Dennisk <=-
The second issue is that anything that is appealing to the masses will turn into crap faster than you can blink your eyes.
Arelor wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Censorship and crap
By: Dennisk to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sat Nov 14 2020 08:18 pm
Re: Censorship and crap
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sat Nov 14 2020 11:32:00
I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big tech run their
own bbses.
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than users.
They were talking about that... somewhere else.
First issue is marketing. Some dudette I know was having trouble
sucking users in because she was telling them, about her BBS. Don't
call it BBS. Call it "My Website" (her's has a nice web interface set
up).
The second issue is that anything that is appealing to the masses will turn into crap faster than you can blink your eyes.
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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-
I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big tech to run their own bbses.
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's.
Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more
BBS's than users.
I think we're desribing the fediverse - a federated social network
where people control what information goes in and out, and people
retain control over their content.
I've heard it described as instead of one social network with a
million members, a million social networks with one member, each
talking to the other.
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than users.
oh god i wonder what it would be like if THAT ever happened.
the problem is we offer up something that most people do not want.
take someone who's never seen a bbs and show them a bbs and you will see.
Dennisk wrote to Arelor <=-
It is better if it is more of a niche pursuit. This is the same reason
I don't really want everyone using Linux. It serves me better if it is for people who aren't quite 'mainstream'.
I did have a friend express interests in BBS's, because he got into the idea of 90's cyberpunk.
The second issue is that anything that is appealing to the masses will turn into crap faster than you can blink your eyes.
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It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than users.
the problem is we offer up something that most people do not want.
take someone who's never seen a bbs and show them a bbs and you will see.
On 11-16-20 21:09, Dennisk wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
True, but I was thinking more along the lines of being able to use some
of the features of a BBS like multinode chat, local messageboards and exploiting the fact the BBS represents your geographic region.
On 11-16-20 10:24, Dr. What wrote to MRO <=-
I did consider setting up a BBS on an old RaspPi3B+ just for getting network discussion groups and for me and my friends.
But I quickly realized that it's so much easier to just someone else do that. 8)
On 11-16-20 08:24, Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
Yep. BBSes provided a solution for a need that existed in the 80s and
90s, but that need has been filled by other things now.
On 11-16-20 07:01, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dennisk <=-
That was one thing I loved about BBSing and the internet in the '90s.
It was a niche, there was a relatively high barrier to entry, and if
you ran into someone who got it, you had something in common that not
a lot of people had.
Sprite wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Censorship and crap
By: Dennisk to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sat Nov 14 2020 20:18:36
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than users.
We're not there already? :)
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 11-16-20 21:09, Dennisk wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
True, but I was thinking more along the lines of being able to use some
of the features of a BBS like multinode chat, local messageboards and exploiting the fact the BBS represents your geographic region.
Yeah I dunno, I'm probably the only BBS user within 100km of here. ;) Therefore, I don't quite see the utility of "local" features.
Certainly back in the early 90s, local message areas and features were
an important thing, but today, the population density of active users
is not what it was, and in my case, that's been exacerbated by a 50
fold decrease in what would have been considered as "local" users in
the dialup days. :)
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than users.
We're not there already? :)
I thought we were. At least in Australia, my experience is about 1 BBS per user.
At least I'm not having to autodial for 10 minutes to get connected.
an important thing, but today, the population density of active users
is not what it was, and in my case, that's been exacerbated by a 50
fold decrease in what would have been considered as "local" users in
the dialup days. :)
Much different times now. Software was much harder to get. Heck finding oth computer users was harder to find. I made some lifelong friends swapping war and bbs numbers. You know what I was thinking today? Do they still make telephone books? Parents used to beat their kids with those things they were big.
LOL.. Some days I couldn't get through at all. I've have to wait till 3:00a before I could logon. I became a night owl with the rest of my BBS buddies. I miss those days. Playin Perfect General till the sun came up. This was bef Doom and Castle Wolfenstein.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I found the same, though it also became frustrating when a lot of
people one wanted to keep in touch with weren't using some form of
online technology (yet).
On 11-17-20 21:35, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Perhaps. One can dream though.
On 11-17-20 21:07, HusTler wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Much different times now. Software was much harder to get. Heck
finding other computer users was harder to find. I made some lifelong friends swapping warez and bbs numbers. You know what I was thinking
today? Do they still make telephone books? Parents used to beat their
kids with those things they were so big.
On 11-17-20 06:21, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Oh, and the ones that did... Can I send a mail from CompuServe to
Prodigy or to AOL or what was that bang path again to route mail via
UUCP?
SMTP has become virtually ubiquitous, which I appreciate - despite
naysayers claiming it's time is past.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
I just can't see it happening. even local community interaction now
has been catered to by online services such as Nextdoor.
Did you ever see Sea Quest DSV TV show?
There was an (awful) episode where they were sent into the future (by a time vortex under water - I said "awful"). When they arrived, there were no people and just 2 warring robots.
To make a long story short, they robots were being controlled by the last 2 people left on Earth (a boy and girl, go figure) who had not been outside in years.
Everyone had basically just stayed at home and their needs were catered to by the technology that just kept going.
I can't help but feel that's where we are heading. Everyone stay inside "to be safe" and stops interacting in person.
Re: Re: Censorship and crap
By: Dr. What to Vk3jed on Fri Nov 20 2020 10:07 am
Did you ever see Sea Quest DSV TV show?
There was an (awful) episode where they were sent into the future (by a time vortex under water - I said "awful"). When they arrived, there wer no people and just 2 warring robots.
To make a long story short, they robots were being controlled by the la 2 people left on Earth (a boy and girl, go figure) who had not been outside in years.
Everyone had basically just stayed at home and their needs were catered by the technology that just kept going.
I can't help but feel that's where we are heading. Everyone stay inside "to be safe" and stops interacting in person.
That sounds somewhat like the movie "Surrogates" (2009), where most people h a robot body that looks like a young version of themselves, and they sit at home in a chair hooked up to a computer that controls their "surrogate" body So they can go outside with their surrogate body while they're safe at home.
Nightfox
That sounds somewhat like the movie "Surrogates" (2009), where most
people h a robot body that looks like a young version of themselves,
and they sit at home in a chair hooked up to a computer that controls
their "surrogate" body So they can go outside with their surrogate
body while they're safe at home.
I enjoyed that movie.
You for got to mention they try to fry everybody's brain over the computer link to the surrogates though.
On 11-20-20 10:07, Dr. What wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Did you ever see Sea Quest DSV TV show?
I can't help but feel that's where we are heading. Everyone stay
inside "to be safe" and stops interacting in person.
... You may use this opinion for a two week trial period.
Vk3jed wrote to Dr. What <=-
One does wonder. Hopefully, I'll be long dead, before that happens. I spend a lot of time doing in person things - going out for coffee with friends, sports (as in actually doing, not just watching). :)
That sounds somewhat like the movie "Surrogates" (2009), where most people have a robot body that looks like a young version of themselves, and they sit at home in a chair hooked up to a computer that controls their "surrogate" body. So they can go outside with their surrogate body while they're safe at home.
Re: Re: Censorship and crap
By: Dr. What to Vk3jed on Fri Nov 20 2020 10:07 am
Did you ever see Sea Quest DSV TV show?
There was an (awful) episode where they were sent into the future (by a time vortex under water - I said "awful"). When they arrived, there wer no people and just 2 warring robots.
To make a long story short, they robots were being controlled by the la 2 people left on Earth (a boy and girl, go figure) who had not been outside in years.
Everyone had basically just stayed at home and their needs were catered by the technology that just kept going.
I can't help but feel that's where we are heading. Everyone stay inside "to be safe" and stops interacting in person.
That sounds somewhat like the movie "Surrogates" (2009), where most people h ide with their surrogate body while they're safe at home.
Nightfox
entertainment. I also have seen Surrogates, and felt that was a play on people being on their phones or on game consoles all the time instead of actually going out and really living.
I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big tech to ru
their
own bbses.
Or to use our existing BBSes. I suspect that a lot of those folks are probably not technically proficient and would become frustrated running their own. Surfing to someone else's might be more up their alley.
On 11-21-20 06:55, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I wonder if/when this whole pandemic blows over, if we'll go back to socializing in coffee shops, or if we'll just hop on the cafe's wifi
and check Instagram.
I grew up in the era when you'd go to a coffee shop with a pen and
paper and a book, and possibly strike up a conversation with someone
about what one of you was reading.
I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big tech to run their own bbses.
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's.
Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more
BBS's than users.
oh god i wonder what it would be like if THAT ever happened.
For as much as I've loved running a BBS for all of these years, I
enjoy being a caller, too. I make the point of calling out to a couple
of BBSes with networks I don't carry on my system just to see how the other half lives and to see how other sysops have modded their BBSes.
For as much as I've loved running a BBS for all of these years, I
enjoy being a caller, too. I make the point of calling out to a couple
of BBSes with networks I don't carry on my system just to see how the other half lives and to see how other sysops have modded their BBSes.
Re: Re: Censorship and crap
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Nov 21 2020 12:37 pm
entertainment. I also have seen Surrogates, and felt that was a play on people being on their phones or on game consoles all the time instead o actually going out and really living.
It might be. I took it as more of wanting to live more freely (or at least
Nightfox
Going into he real world with a virtual representation of yourself would probably feel as immersive as being in VR or an MMORPG. It's not how scruffy
you look or the fact you're in your pajamas, people see the virtual you.
Mac: Best for Desktop Publishing
PC: Best for number crunching/office work
On 11-22-20 15:55, Lupine Furmen wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-
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Re: Censorship and crap
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sat Nov 14 2020 11:32:00
I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big tech to run their own bbses.
YES! BBS's, the ORIGINAL Social Media Platforms!!!
Vk3jed wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-
Actually, ham radio beat BBSs as social media by several decades. ;)
On 11-24-20 07:26, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Vk3jed wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-
Actually, ham radio beat BBSs as social media by several decades. ;)
I have some smutty telegrams saved somewhere that pre-dates HAM.
I am thinking maybe we need to teach people who are not trusting big tech to run their
own bbses.
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise
you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than
users.
On Sat 14-Nov-2020 20:18 , Dennisk@1:275/201.0 said to Matthew Munson:
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than users.
I think we are already at that stage.
Phil
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's.Otherwise D> you will end up with a scenario where there could be more
BBS's than D> users.
I think we are already at that stage.
Re: Re: Censorship and crap
By: MRO to Terminator on Sat Mar 27 2021 08:18 am
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's.Otherwise D> you will end up with a scenario where there could be more
BBS's than D> users.
I think we are already at that stage.
It's been that way for sometime now. I myself still call other systems but most SysOps never leave their own domain. Sad but true.
On Sat 14-Nov-2020 20:18 , Dennisk@1:275/201.0 said to Matthew Munson:
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's. Otherwise you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than users.
I think we are already at that stage.
Phil
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Re: Re: Censorship and crap
By: Terminator to Dennisk on Fri Mar 26 2021 04:23 am
On Sat 14-Nov-2020 20:18 , Dennisk@1:275/201.0 said to Matthew Munson:
OtherwiseIt would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's.
you will end up with a scenario where there could be more BBS's than users.
I think we are already at that stage.
Phil
phil you are replying to shit from last november. come on now.
update your fucking msg pointers. this isnt your first rodeo
I have a medical excuse and I was away for 2 months after this message was posted.
Phil
Re: Re: Censorship and crap
By: MRO to Terminator on Sat Mar 27 2021 08:18 am
It would make more sense to get people to use existing BBS's.Otherwise D> you will end up with a scenario where there could be more
BBS's than D> users.
I think we are already at that stage.
It's been that way for sometime now. I myself still call other systems but most SysOps never leave their own domain. Sad but true.
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