Are you starting to see some of the many reasons people don't like off-topic posts?
I've seen other people do it and they say nothing. I do it and it becomes such a big problem for some reason. Tell everyone else the same thing as you d
to me but you always forget to though.
Are you starting to see some of the many reasons people don't like off-topic posts?
I've seen other people do it and they say nothing. I do it and it becomes such a big problem for some reason. Tell everyone else the same thing as you d
to me but you always forget to though.
Most of us try to keep our off-topic posts in this echo and not the Synchronet Discussion echo.
Most of us try to keep our off-topic posts in this echo and not the Synchronet Discussion echo.
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The "General" discussion board has a
set topic that people aren't allowed
deviate from?
Why wasn't I given the memo?
Most of us try to keep our off-topic posts in this echo and not the Synchronet Discussion echo.
When I do it in other echoes, I get **** for it, so why even bother for anyways?
Now, where were we? Oh, yes, the COVID vaccine. Yes, most
people are happy to hear it is finally arriving. I am glad
the essential medical folks are getting first crack at it,
although part of me feels like they are being experimented
on.
Vlk-451 wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Are you starting to see some of the many reasons people don't like off-topic posts?
I've seen other people do it and they say nothing. I do it and it becomes such a big problem for some reason. Tell everyone else the same thing as you do to me but you always forget to though.
Most of us try to keep our off-topic posts in this echo and not the Synchronet Discussion echo.
The "General" discussion board has a set topic that people aren't
allowed to deviate from?
Why wasn't I given the memo?
I am not surprised that we don't see politicians lining up for
the 1st shots. Deep down, they probably don't trust it. They
probably think it's better to innoculate the ederly who are
the first to die off anyway. And when they *do* die, they can
say it was old age.
Most of us try to keep our off-topic posts in this echo and not the
Synchronet Discussion echo.
The "General" discussion board has a set topic that people aren't allowed to deviate from?
Why wasn't I given the memo?
Now, where were we? Oh, yes, the COVID vaccine. Yes, most
people are happy to hear it is finally arriving. I am glad
the essential medical folks are getting first crack at it,
although part of me feels like they are being experimented
on.
I wonder why the very persons who devise the plan to have
"front line" workers and "the most at risk" innocculated
first, and not include themselves. Aren't they, the
politicians, important persons and wouldn't our lives fall
apart if the governing bodies were affected by covid?
I am not surprised that we don't see politicians lining up for
the 1st shots. Deep down, they probably don't trust it. They
probably think it's better to innoculate the ederly who are
the first to die off anyway. And when they *do* die, they can
say it was old age.
Since I posted the message you are responding to, VP Pence has been innocculated. The video has been on the news and on YT. So I guess some
of them are getting the shots.
Since I posted the message you are responding to, VP
Pence has been innocculated. The video has been on the
news and on YT. So I guess some of them are getting the
shots.
liberals are already saying empty needle/fake shot.
I've seen reports of live tv coverage of injections for
publicity but the syringe is already pressed all the way down
before the needle is inserted.
I've seen reports of live tv coverage of injections for
publicity but the syringe is already pressed all the way down
before the needle is inserted.
Sprite wrote to Ogg <=-
However, I've seen some of the photos, and I think
there was one of Pelosi getting the vaccine, too, and the damn orange
cap was still on the syringe that was pressed to her arm. m(
Most of us try to keep our off-topic posts in this echo and not the
Synchronet Discussion echo.
The "General" discussion board has a set topic that people aren't allowed to deviate from?
Why wasn't I given the memo?
You saw a needle guard on a safety syringe. It isn't a cap. The guard eith hinges or telescopes down after the syringe has been used to cover the end o the needle. You'll see these used whenever a sharps container isn't immediately available to dispose of the used syringe.
Meanwhile you have the President of Brazil warning people that the Pfizer vaccine can turn you into a crocodile or a bearded lady...The problem is people use the developing world as the test bed for
https://bit.ly/2KF1X5Z
Now, where were we? Oh, yes, the COVID vaccine. Yes, most people are
happy to hear it is finally arriving. I am glad the essential medical
folks are getting first crack at it, although part of me feels like they
are being experimented on.
Now, where were we? Oh, yes, the COVID vaccine. Yes, most people are happy to hear it is finally arriving. I am glad the essential medical folks are getting first crack at it, although part of me feels like they are being experimented on.
This is my fear as well. Usual testing and validation protocol for vaccines ta
e years, this was only a few months. I can understand the rush but we have no >dea of the long term effects it may have on people. In my case, I am considere
high risk due to an extremely rare lung disease. If I were to get COVID, I'd
ikely die. My pulminologist made it clear that my immediate family and I need >o get it as soon as it is available for high risk patients (yay me).
There was an official on the news a day or two ago that said that the same testing measures were taken, they just did them in a shorter amount of time than they normally would.
So, that makes me wonder why they don't always do it like that?
You bring up a good point, too. When the process takes longer, there is more time for them to determine if there are long term effects that were noticed only because it took longer to approve it.
On 12-22-20 22:11, Dream Master wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
This is my fear as well. Usual testing and validation protocol for vaccines take years, this was only a few months. I can understand the rush but we have no idea of the long term effects it may have on
people. In my case, I am considered high risk due to an extremely rare lung disease. If I were to get COVID, I'd likely die. My
pulminologist made it clear that my immediate family and I need to get
it as soon as it is available for high risk patients (yay me).
Dream Master wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
This is my fear as well. Usual testing and validation protocol for vaccines take years, this was only a few months. I can understand the rush but we have no idea of the long term effects it may have on
people. In my case, I am considered high risk due to an extremely rare lung disease. If I were to get COVID, I'd likely die. My
pulminologist made it clear that my immediate family and I need to get
it as soon as it is available for high risk patients (yay me).
Dumas Walker wrote to DREAM MASTER <=-
There was an official on the news a day or two ago that said that the
same testing measures were taken, they just did them in a shorter
amount of time than they normally would.
So, that makes me wonder why they don't always do it like that?
You bring up a good point, too. When the process takes longer, there
is more time for them to determine if there are long term effects that were noticed only because it took longer to approve it.
Vk3jed wrote to Dream Master <=-
for me, I'm probably low risk of dying, but there's studies that
recently showed approximately 40% of COVID patients get chronic
disease,
On 12-23-20 14:59, Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
I think that's exactly why they can't always do testing in a short
amount of time. It's good to know the long-term effects. It seems the covid situation is serious enough though that they think it's better to get the vaccine out now and get the covid numbers down, and risk any side-effects that may come up later.
Vk3jed wrote to Dream Master <=-
for me, I'm probably low risk of dying, but there's studies that recently showed approximately 40% of COVID patients get chronic disease,
I keep hearing this, but I remain sceptical that the root cause of this is COVID.
My great-grandfather died of a kidney issue due to high blood pressure.
When my grandfather (his son), he got the same issue. But we have treatment for that. So that didn't kill him.
When my grandfather got older, he developed dimentia.
I use this as an example. My family had no indication that we were suspepta to dimentia simply because no one
had lived long enough to see it.
My belief is that most of these "chronic disease after COVID" is simply something that they would have developed
anyway. But because they are seeing a doctor more often, they are finding o that they have it early instead
of after they have developed something else that kills them.
... Give and you might receive. Take and be sure of it.
On 12-24-20 10:21, Dr. What wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/DMINE
Vk3jed wrote to Dream Master <=-
for me, I'm probably low risk of dying, but there's studies that
recently showed approximately 40% of COVID patients get chronic
disease,
I keep hearing this, but I remain sceptical that the root cause of this
is COVID.
My great-grandfather died of a kidney issue due to high blood pressure. When my grandfather (his son), he got the same issue. But we have treatment for that. So that didn't kill him.
When my grandfather got older, he developed dimentia.
I use this as an example. My family had no indication that we were suspeptable to dimentia simply because no one
had lived long enough to see it.
My belief is that most of these "chronic disease after COVID" is simply something that they would have developed
anyway. But because they are seeing a doctor more often, they are
finding out that they have it early instead
of after they have developed something else that kills them.
On 12-24-20 09:50, Dr. What wrote to Dream Master <=-
Being a computer scientist for over 30 years, I find that the rule of "Never use version 1.0 of anything in Production"
is good for many things.
On 12-24-20 10:13, Dr. What wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
a patient in decades (*cough*, Fauci, *cough*, Brix, *cough*).
Given that the most common long term condition is breathlessness, even in ve fit people (like marathon runners), that seems too much of a coincidence. Anyway, scientists are looking at long term effects more closely.
Quite a different situation. COVID "chronic" effects observed so far are in the order of months (not much more than a year), given that's as long as we' been able to observe this virus. Viruses have been known to cause long term systemic issues, though science has largely ignored this phenomenon until recently.
Vlk-451 wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
The "General" discussion board has a set topic that people aren't allowed to deviate from?
No, whatever gave you that idea?
Why wasn't I given the memo?
You were, but apparently your reading comprehension sucks.
you need to work on your reading skills.
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: Vlk-451 to Dumas Walker on Fri Dec 18 2020 09:15 am
Most of us try to keep our off-topic posts in this echo and not the
Synchronet Discussion echo.
The "General" discussion board has a set topic that people aren't allowed to deviate from?
Why wasn't I given the memo?
eh.. No, he's saying "General" is for miscellaneous topics. There is no single set topic in the "General" area.
Nightfox
Meanwhile you have the President of Brazil warning people that the Pfizer vaccine can turn you into a crocodile or a bearded lady...
https://bit.ly/2KF1X5ZThe problem is people use the developing world as the test bed for
vaccines and when things do not go well, its known.
Bureaucracy. The longer it takes, the more work is "needed" for the gov't agency and the more people they "need" to employ.
Arelor wrote to Dr. What <=-
The number of people who develops problems with the virus seems to be extremely reduced here. That said, the ones that develop complications
are actually developing from either the virus or as a side effect of
the treatment against the virus.
Vk3jed wrote to Dr. What <=-
Given that the most common long term condition is breathlessness, even
in very fit people (like marathon runners), that seems too much of a coincidence. Anyway, scientists are looking at long term effects more closely.
Vk3jed wrote to Dr. What <=-
Haha true. I think we're in a "between a rock and a hard place" (especially in the USA and Europe) scenario here, though.
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-
On 12/24/2020 8:13 AM, Dr. What wrote:
Bureaucracy. The longer it takes, the more work is "needed" for the gov't agency and the more people they "need" to employ.
See: Mythical Man Month
Once herd immunity is reached (we are already there), the disease becomes a non-problem.
What I was talking about was the rule that a bureaucracy will grow to fill the available budget - whether it's needed or not.
Groups like the CDC like things that take a while because they can drag their feet to get it done, and if anyone complains
about it's taking too long, they respond that they need more funding/people/resources - which, of course, doesn't speed
things up in any way.
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: Dr. What to Vk3jed on Sun Dec 27 2020 12:12 pm
Once herd immunity is reached (we are already there), the disease
becomes a non-problem.
Define "there", and "non-problem"? Because from where I'm sitting, it's a problem and the solution is a ways off.
Of the 800 left in the company, 80 were vice presidents. They made fuckedcompany.com's news feed for that.
Groups like the CDC like things that take a while because they can
drag their feet to get it done, and if anyone complains
about it's taking too long, they respond that they need more
funding/people/resources - which, of course, doesn't speed
things up in any way.
Well, two things - one, if they cut corners, people may die.
The second thing is something I realized when doing a government job. It's all about the pension. In my experience, workers were more motivated to keep their heads down, not make waves, and retire doing as little as possible that would possibly put that pension at risk. With a union it's pretty hard to get fired for underperforming, and each day you clock in and out without making waves is one day closer to retirement (or at least hitting that 5 year pension floor...)
Being a computer scientist for over 30 years, I find that the rule of "Never use version 1.0 of anything in Production"
is good for many things.
On 12-26-20 11:23, Sprite wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I agree with what you've said completely. For what it's worth,
I've seen a lot of research done on Covid that has indicated that it's
not only hitting the respiratory system particularly hard, but that it
may hit the circulatory system even harder, hence the issues with blood clots and the like. A lot of the chronic conditions that have been
observed seem to be due to scarring in the cardiovascular pathways, in particular the areas enshrouding the alveoli causing a lot of the respiratory symptoms. I'll see if I can find a link on that if you're interested; it's fascinating, if not a bit horrifying.
On 12-27-20 12:08, Dr. What wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Standard Leftie tactic: redefine terms to match their arguments.
One year is not "long term".
We have no long term information. The best we have are concerns that
need to be watched.
On 12-27-20 12:12, Dr. What wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/DMINE
Vk3jed wrote to Dr. What <=-
Haha true. I think we're in a "between a rock and a hard place" (especially in the USA and Europe) scenario here, though.
Only the people who push and believe the propaganda think that we are "between a rock and hard place."
COVID has a 99.999% survival rate for most poopulation groups. The
ones that are lower (98%) are known.
Once herd immunity is reached (we are already there), the disease
becomes a non-problem.
I have read about heart and circulatory issues that appear to be caused by COVID, so what you've said agrees with what I've read. I also believe there a team here in Australia who are specifically doing studies into the medium long term health impacts of COVID-19.
Thanks, that would be appreciated. You can see why I'm aiming to avoid this virus, even though my odds of surviving are pretty good. :)
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-a
Once herd immunity is reached (we are already there), the disease becomes
non-problem.
Define "there", and "non-problem"? Because from where I'm sitting, it's
a problem and the solution is a ways off.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
Of the 800 left in the company, 80 were vice presidents. They made fuckedcompany.com's news feed for that.
Well, two things - one, if they cut corners, people may die.
Dream Master wrote to Dr. What <=-
In all honesty, even fast tracking the vaccine doesn't sound like a
good idea. There is a reason why there are trials. Having the entire medical population become our Alpha testers doesn't sound like a good idea.
Ultimately, we're all screwed if we can't get a handle on this
virus.
COVID is not and was never a problem. It's just an excuse for the power hungty to try to take over.
On 28 Dec 2020, Dr. What said the following...
COVID is not and was never a problem. It's just an excuse for the
power hungty to try to take over.
Another one added to the twit list.
We had a handle on the virus back in April. We knew who the high risk groups were (and some Governors put infected patients into those high risk groups).
We know that the VAST majority of people won't even show symptoms let alone need hospitalization. And for those who do need hospitalization, we know how to treat it.
Of course, the power hungry bureaucrats did all that they could to block this information and stop doctors from using the treatments. And the Propaganda Ministry er.. Leftie Media covered all this up.
On 28 Dec 2020, Dr. What said the following...
COVID is not and was never a problem. It's just an excuse for the powe hungty to try to take over.
Another one added to the twit list.
Then stop sitting in front of Leftie Media.
Lots of people create their own echo chambers by blocking everybody they disagree with in social media. That ultimately leads to intellectual endogamy which is not exactly great. It specially sucks because you have relatives blocking each other because soccer matches and other nonsense. It makes me want to cry.
I don't completely agree with DW, but I always find amusing when people ad other users to twit lists so liberally these days.
For the record, I both think COVID is a problem
Canada's population is 37.6 million and we've had 555,207 confirmed cases which is 1.48% of the population. A far cry from "heard immunity".
Of those 555,207 cases, 15,120 of those people died which is 2.72%.
Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/386/
On 12-28-20 07:02, Sprite wrote to Vk3jed <=-
initial article that set me on the path looking for this information: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/12/health/coronavirus-symptoms-blood-clots-i nflamma
tion/index.html
Let me know if you want more information and I'll dig a bit more
after work. A search for covid-19 'cardiovascular inflamation' looked like it was producing some good hits after about 1/2-2/3 of the first
page being dedicated to high-profile cases and the like...
On 12-28-20 17:51, Arelor wrote to Warpslide <=-
For the record, I both think COVID is a problem AND an excuse for the power hungry to hoard more power.
I think I've actually read that. Being a commercial news source, there's th usual disclaimer (especially given the skeptics also tend to quote commercia news sources), some research papers would be interesting (if harder to read) journal articles.
For the record, I both think COVID is a problem AND an excuse for the power hungry to hoard more power.
I'm inclined to agree. COVID is definitely a problem, and the opportunistic power grabbers (at least in some jurisdictions) are using it as an excuse to grab power. Terrorism is another commonly used excuse.
I would tend to agree with that, as well. Let no tragedy go to waste, and all of that. Any bets on what kinds of legislation comes about with the TN bombing?
On 12-29-20 09:31, Sprite wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I thought that I'd seen some of those, too, but maybe some friends
of mine in a private Signal group had just been discussing it, because
I couldn't find it anywhere in my browser history. :( I like checking out the journals on that kind of stuff, too.
On 12-29-20 09:33, Sprite wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I would tend to agree with that, as well. Let no tragedy go to
waste, and all of that. Any bets on what kinds of legislation comes
about with the TN bombing?
Dream Master wrote to Dr. What <=-
We had an understanding of the virus in April, correct, but we didn't understand all the vectors it could spread and the dynamics of how it
can affect certain classifications of people.
We know how to treat the symptoms but there is no cure.
This is a stretch.
Warpslide wrote to Arelor <=-
There's a difference between blocking someone I don't agree with and blocking someone who's trolling.
Canada's population is 37.6 million and we've had 555,207 confirmed
cases which is 1.48% of the population. A far cry from "heard
immunity".
2.72% may seem "insignificant" until you realize that these are real people.
We know how to treat the symptoms but there is no cure.
Correct. Like the seasonal flu, there is no cure. We need to live with this. Hiding in our home and behind masks does not accomplish anything.
Actually, it's not. The bureaucrats actively blocked a known treatment
and the media suppressed all information about that.
what this virus is pointing out is that many people are not healthy.
On 12-30-20 23:38, Dream Master wrote to MRO <=-
@VIA: VERT/CIAD
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: MRO to Dr. What on Wed Dec 30 2020 10:10 pm
what this virus is pointing out is that many people are not healthy.
I wanted to quote more of the message but I thought you hit the nail on the head. It's more than that though. Medical care in the US is
amazing but its the hospitals and insurance companies that are taking
us all as fools. Since 2015, my insurance company has paid out over $1 million in claims due to my lung disease. There is absolutely no
reason medical care should cost as much as it does (hospitals bill the most followed by pharmacies). Yes, people aren't healthy, but people
will continue to not be healthy because they can't afford medical care.
out of pocket expenses need to determine whether or not they seek
medical care or deal with the problem. Would they rather have an $500
ER bill or just deal?
I wanted to quote more of the message but I thought you hit the nail on t head. It's more than that though. Medical care in the US is amazing but its the hospitals and insurance companies that are taking us all as fools Since 2015, my insurance company has paid out over $1 million in claims d
to my lung disease. There is absolutely no reason medical care should co
as much as it does (hospitals bill the most followed by pharmacies). Yes people aren't healthy, but people will continue to not be healthy because they can't afford medical care.
I don't think it's that simple. A lot of the unhealthiness is preventable and doesn't require huge amounts of money to fix. Simple things like eating fresh whole foods, regular exercise, taking time out for socialising, etc. In other Western countries, where the cost of healthcare (to the patient) is not so crippling, the same pattern still exists. Do the healthy things and get regular (annual at least) checkups with your doctor, is a good start.
Not an issue here. ER is covered, and although the ambulance here does cost a bit, becoming a member of the ambulance service (which is dirt cheap annually) means you don't have to pay that bill. When they send the bill, you just quote your membership number and send it back, job done. :)
We do have to pay a small fee for visiting the doctor in many cases (~15%), and many prescription medicines are heavily subsidised by the government to make them affordable.
But with all that help, there's still a lot of unhealthy people over here too, mainly due to preventable lifestyle factors.
Bottom of the matter is Westerns are becoming lazy smokers and burger eaters
what this virus is pointing out is that many people are not healthy.
we ignore the heart disease and cancer numbers. now they are ignoring the eleph
nt in the room. the problem is people are not healthy. my mom dropped dead o
covid because she smoked like a chimney over 45 years. she was also a binge dr
nker until she totally could not handle it anymore. and she was overweight and >ot active.
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: Arelor to Dream Master on Thu Dec 31 2020 08:05 am
Bottom of the matter is Westerns are becoming lazy smokers and burger
eaters
Did you mean to say "booger eaters"? Cause *that* I agree with! :-)
overweight and ot active.
There seem to be some who are mostly healthy (and even young) who seem suseptable to dying from it, but most of those who die from it either have pre-existing conditions and/or they are over 80.
On 12-31-20 12:20, Dream Master wrote to Vk3jed <=-
No doubt about that. I've noticed that Americans tend to look for easy fixes instead of actually working for it. People would rather go to McDonald's and get nuggets instead of going home and cooking a healthy meal. Covid has forced a lot of people to cook at home but they are instead looking to DoorDash and other gig-companies to bring the same
crap home.
I can note that when I've been in Europe (work), I spend a lot of time walking and stopping at the market to pick up fresh foods and I drink a lot more water. In America, nothing seems to ever be close unless you
live traditionally bigger cities where everything is close.
People in America still refuse to see the doctor. My grandmother was a perfect example of someone who'd rather bitch about not feeling well
than going to the doctor. That eventually killed her. Same goes with
a lot of people I know... they end up getting really sick and find themselves in the ER and a month in the hospital instead of getting regular check-ups.
I'm very envious of healthcare outside of the US. I was going to
relocate to Germany some years ago and the options for "ambulance
service" and other medical care all came up. When I looked at the expense, I said, "Sign me up!"
We do have to pay a small fee for visiting the doctor in many cases (~15%), and many prescription medicines are heavily subsidised by the government to make them affordable.
Welcome to America where the doctors bill $185 just to be seen and the medicines can cost upwards of $1000. If you have insurance, you may
get away with a $20 copay and your medicine may only cost you $50.
There's no reason this all can't be subsidized in the US. God forbid
if Americans would learn the difference between Socialism and
Democratic Socialism.
But with all that help, there's still a lot of unhealthy people over here too, mainly due to preventable lifestyle factors.
Of course. I think you and I are on exactly the same page. :)
On 12-31-20 08:05, Arelor wrote to Dream Master <=-
If the issue is medical care is not affordable, people would try to
stay healthy because they can't afford to be sick.
Which is obviously a broken argument for a long list of reasons.
Bottom of the matter is Westerns are becoming lazy smokers and burger eaters .
Reminds me, I'm overdue to see the doctor. COVID-19 threw things into disarray, with only telehealth available at the time I'd normally get my annual checkup. Must do something about that.
Yeah, I think our doctors fees are nominally a bit lower, but with the Medicare rebate, a typical GP visit is around $15 out of pocket. FOr people with pension and other govenment concession cards, they do a "bulk bill", which means no out of pocket expenses. I don't qualify for a card, because my partner earns too much.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
what this virus is pointing out is that many people are not healthy.
the big problem is the media. apparently we gave up control of the
world to the media and people are told what to think via them.
Dream Master wrote to MRO <=-
Yes, people aren't healthy, but people
will continue to not be healthy because they can't afford medical care.
Arelor wrote to Dream Master <=-
Bottom of the matter is Westerns are becoming lazy smokers and burger eaters .
20 years ago, I was a "typical" geek: little exercise, bad
eating habits, etc. I weighed over 360 lbs. My "wake up" was
when my doctor told me I had to do something because I was
borderline diabetic. I hate the idea of poking myself to get a
blood sample.
tl;dr In 2 years, I dropped 160 lbs and kept it off.
COVID hasn't impacted me at all.
People in America want better healthcare with reduced costs. The older crow gets Medicare and the poor get Medicaid. Both of these are heavily subsidiz by the government. Instead of everyone looking at the advantages of Medicare/Medicaid, they keep bitching about Socialized Healthcare... excuse this type of healthcare actually works. If it works for the elderly, it wil work for every one else.
During a similar wake up journey, I learned about "That Sugar
Film" (2014). Check it out. The host developed onset diabetes within weeks of starting the seemingly "healthy" diet - they were processed foods approved by the medical experts.
There seem to be some who are mostly healthy (and even young) who seem >DW> suseptable to dying from it, but most of those who die from it either have >DW> pre-existing conditions and/or they are over 80.
there are people that have that weird over reaction to the virus. the same shit
happened with the spanish flu. they have some medications that help with that
Bottom of the matter is Westerns are becoming lazy smokers and burger eaters
No doubt about that. I've noticed that Americans tend to look for easy fixes i
stead of actually working for it. People would rather go to McDonald's and get
nuggets instead of going home and cooking a healthy meal. Covid has forced a l
t of people to cook at home but they are instead looking to DoorDash and other >ig-companies to bring the same crap home.
I can note that when I've been in Europe (work), I spend a lot of time walking >nd stopping at the market to pick up fresh foods and I drink a lot more water. >n America, nothing seems to ever be close unless you live traditionally bigger >ities where everything is close.
People in America still refuse to see the doctor. My grandmother was a perfect
example of someone who'd rather bitch about not feeling well than going to the >octor. That eventually killed her. Same goes with a lot of people I know... t
ey end up getting really sick and find themselves in the ER and a month in the >ospital instead of getting regular check-ups.
I'm very envious of healthcare outside of the US. I was going to relocate to G
rmany some years ago and the options for "ambulance service" and other medical >are all came up. When I looked at the expense, I said, "Sign me up!"
During a similar wake up journey, I learned about "That
Sugar Film" (2014). Check it out. The host developed onset
diabetes..
Have you seen the documentary film "Food, Inc."? I thought it
was an interesting insight into the food industry, particularly
in the US.
There seem to be some who are mostly healthy (and even young) whoseem DW> suseptable to dying from it, but most of those who die from it
either have DW> pre-existing conditions and/or they are over 80.
there are people that have that weird over reaction to the virus. theshit
same
happened with the spanish flu. they have some medications that help
with that
At one point, some doctors were theorizing that people who seem to have an over reaction to it may have had a significant exposure to the virus (like a "higher dose"), where people who get only mild cases (or show no symptoms) had a lesser, or slight, exposure.
I still don't think they really know, though.
Have you seen the documentary film "Food, Inc."? I thought it was an interesting insight into the food industry, particularly in the US.
Nightfox
Have you seen the documentary film "Food, Inc."? I thought it was an
interesting insight into the food industry, particularly in the US.
Nightfox
I did. It scared the crap out me. What was the name of the one where the guy ate Mcdonalds for a month and almost died? I forget the name of it.
On 01-01-21 00:59, Dream Master wrote to Vk3jed <=-
COVID-19 really screwed things up over here in the US. Most GPs want
to do telehealth instead of in-person visits. When I was having
breathing issues back in March/April, they insisted on telehealth,
which in my opinion were pretty useless. Now, when I complain about my lungs, they want to see me in the office. It's still complicated, but
at least they are finally figuring shit out.
People in America want better healthcare with reduced costs. The older crowd gets Medicare and the poor get Medicaid. Both of these are
heavily subsidized by the government. Instead of everyone looking at
the advantages of Medicare/Medicaid, they keep bitching about
Socialized Healthcare... excuse me, this type of healthcare actually works. If it works for the elderly, it will work for every one else.
Our universal system happens to be called "Medicare", coincidentally, and yes it does work, for the most part. People here don't get hung up on socialism, it's seen as an essential service, and any government trying to kill it off is committing political suicide here.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
i'm overweight but i'm some type of superhuman. we got a lot of snow
and i shoveled my snow and 3 other neighbor's snow 3x yesterday and
today. i am still active and moving.
the big problem is the media. apparently we gave up control of the
world to the media and people are told what to think via them. ---
Dream Master wrote to MRO <=-
medical care or deal with the problem. Would they rather have an $500
ER bill or just deal?
Vk3jed wrote to Dream Master <=-
Not an issue here. ER is covered, and although the ambulance here does cost a bit, becoming a member of the ambulance service (which is dirt cheap annually) means you don't have to pay that bill. When they send
the bill, you just quote your membership number and send it back, job done. :)
Vk3jed wrote to Dream Master <=-
... hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?
Vk3jed wrote to Arelor <=-
and junk/fast food, as well as not moving enough. Even walking and "incidental exercise" can make a big difference.
Dumas Walker wrote to DREAM MASTER <=-
OTOH, because of COVID I have been working from home since mid-March.
I try to make my lunch each day, and try to make it the bigger meal of
the day. While it does not involve fresh produce, I usually make
burritos using some sort of canned beans (usually not "refried" ones
with fat added!).
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
During a similar wake up journey, I learned about "That Sugar
Film" (2014). Check it out. The host developed onset diabetes within weeks of starting the seemingly "healthy" diet - they were processed
foods approved by the medical experts.
MRO wrote to HusTler <=-
that was morgan spurlock and the guy is a life long alcoholic. he went through 30 years of being drunk all the time. he went vegan before the documentary so when he started eating that fastfood junk in excess it
hit him kinda bad.
we actually have a guy here who eats bigmacs 3x a day and he is in
perfect health.
This isn't anywhere near as bad as some of the horror stories I've
heard - my son is fine. I couldn't imagine having to go through those
hoops with a sick or dying family member hanging in the balance.
On 01-02-21 11:57, Dream Master wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Americans don't understand the difference between Socialism and
Communism. The minute they hear an "-ism", they immediately pull out their guns and start filling their tubs with water. It's pathetic.
On 12-31-20 09:38, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm thinking if the USA continues on our healthy path, our local
automotive roadside assistance providers might want to branch out
into ambulance services. Pay your ambulance fees and towing fees in
one spot.
On 12-31-20 09:41, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/REALITY
Vk3jed wrote to Dream Master <=-
... hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?
No, but once when I worked in an all-IBM shop, we switched my boss'
caps and alt keycaps while he was on vacation. Took him the better
part of the morning to figure it out.
I suggested he shut down his computer, count to 10, then turn it back
on again. When that didn't work, suggested he might need to unplug
it, too.
On 01-02-21 09:32, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I was all set to up the step goal on my FitBit and we're heading into
5 straight days of rain. :(
I might need to get out my rain jacket and go for it.
On 01-02-21 09:55, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg <=-
I went on a potato mono-diet for 3 weeks and then a whole food diet
with little meat and no processed foods for a couple of months last
year, and resetting my taste buds made a huge difference. Now
anything in a package tastes overly sweet or too salty.
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
During a similar wake up journey, I learned about "That Sugar
Film" (2014). Check it out. The host developed onset diabetes within weeks of starting the seemingly "healthy" diet - they were processed
foods approved by the medical experts.
Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-
Everyone assumes that health care is more expensive than it used to be because of greed. That may be a partial truth. The rest of the truth
is what you said above... we are overall leading less healthy lifestyles... and government regulation.
Dumas Walker wrote to DREAM MASTER <=-
Before COVID, I had gotten into the habit of fixing dinner each
evening. I would usually make a salad. Between COVID and the HEP-A/Listeria outbreaks immediately before it, I have had to abandon
that entirely. I miss not doing that, but I really don't trust fresh produce that has sat out where everyone will handle it (they do here
for sure!).
OTOH, because of COVID I have been working from home since mid-March.
I try to make my lunch each day, and try to make it the bigger meal of
the day.
They told them to stop sending the letters because, when they retire,
they are leaving Canada for Florida and private health care.
Yes, there's people like that over here. A lot don't want to do the work. I've had so many guys look at me and say "You look great! (especially for 52),
wish I was like that", but they lose interest when I tell them the training regime behind it.
Mind you, looks for me aren't actually a goal, they're just a nice bonus side effect. :)
People in America want better healthcare with reduced costs. The
older crowd gets Medicare and the poor get Medicaid. Both of these
are heavily subsidized by the government. Instead of everyone
looking at the advantages of Medicare/Medicaid, they keep bitching
about Socialized Healthcare... excuse me, this type of healthcare
actually works. If it works for the elderly, it will work for every
one else.
Bottom of the matter is Westerns are becoming lazy smokers and burger eaters
During a similar wake up journey, I learned about "That Sugar
Film" (2014). Check it out. The host developed onset diabetes within weeks of
starting the seemingly "healthy" diet - they were processed foods
approved by the medical experts.
Dream Master wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Americans don't understand the difference between Socialism and
Communism. The minute they hear an "-ism", they immediately pull
out their guns and start filling their tubs with water. It's
pathetic.
Bottom of the matter is Westerns are becoming lazy smokers and burger
eaters
Ironically the burger (meat) itself isn't the problem so much as the sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
During a similar wake up journey, I learned about "That Sugar
Film" (2014)..
That one was pretty good... "Fat Head" is also pretty classic in a
similar space. Amazon is better than most of the others on their documentaries on diet/fasting etc... There's still some vegan/vegetarian
bs ones, but at least diversity in thought is there. Many of the
Netflix ones are all biased in a singular direction.
I've been trying out a whole-plant diet and making a stew with
squash, kale, corn, peppers and onions, whatever beans we have laying
around the house, and veggie stock or almond milk. It takes about 30
minutes on a stovetop, and one batch works for 3 meals. Served over
a microwaved potato, quinoa or brown rice, it's been my weekday lunch
goto.
Everyone assumes that health care is more expensive than it used to be because of greed. That may be a partial truth. The rest of the truth is what you said above... we are overall leading less healthy lifestyles... and government regulation.
Plus judges who give huge payouts for "malpractice" lawsuits.
Ya, I've encoutered many medical "experts" espousing bad information.
"It's fat free" (but contains huge amounts of sugar).
"It's fat and sugar free" (but contains so much salt that it has a shelf life of 100,000 years).
And the best: I recall someone on Pinterest exclaiming "I
replaced the butter in this <completely unhealthy recipe>
with coconut oil. It's healthy now!". And the next day there
was a study published that showed that coconut oil is WORSE
than butter.
We mostly listen to Dr. Greger (NutritionFacts.org) who espouses a plant-based diet with a focus on unprocessed food.
Going by just how good we feel when we stick to the
guidelines (and how bad we feel when we don't), this seems
like the right way to go.
But over the years, I've discovered:
1. Never listen to any one in the food industry about how "healthy" their product is.
2. Never listen to any study funded by the food industry.
3. Most medical 'experts' really don't know what they are
talking about when it comes to food and diet. They aren't
bad, but most of their "knowledge" has been tained by the
above food industry.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
One of the best practical jokes I was involoved in was installing a
virus simulator on the secretary's PC one morning (and setting it to
run automatically in AUTOEXEC.BAT. ;) She was wondering why her
computer was misbehaving and we did convince her she had a virus,
before spilling the beans. :D
I did. It scared the crap out me. What was the name of the one where the
guy ate Mcdonalds for a month and almost died? I forget the name of it.
that was morgan spurlock and the guy is a life long alcoholic. he went through 30 years of being drunk all the time. he went vegan before the documentary so when he started eating that fastfood junk in excess it hit
him kinda bad. he didnt almost die. he also never went back to being vegan.
we actually have a guy here who eats bigmacs 3x a day and he is in perfect health.
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Sun Jan 03 2021 08:34 am
Bottom of the matter is Westerns are becoming lazy smokers and burger
eaters
Ironically the burger (meat) itself isn't the problem so much as the
sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Sugary bun? I've never had a hamburger bun that tasted sweet..
we actually have a guy here who eats bigmacs 3x a day and he is in
perfect
health.
He also lied about the calories and what "rules" he was following. "Fathead" does a pretty good job at debunking "Super Size Me"
"Super Size Me 2" was significantly better, but still a few misleading actions.
Ironically the burger (meat) itself isn't the problem so much as the
sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Sugary bun? I've never had a hamburger bun that tasted sweet..
Dream Master wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Americans don't understand the difference between Socialism and Communism. The minute they hear an "-ism", they immediately pull
out their guns and start filling their tubs with water. It's
pathetic.
Perhaps it's because either/both are unacceptable. Yup.
Sugary bun? I've never had a hamburger bun that tasted sweet..
You've probably never had the bun all by itself. ;)
I bought a package of dinner rolls (because I forgot my lunch,
and the bakery was just next door anyway) and I wolfed down a
couple as-is. I didn't have anything to "add" to them, but the
goal was just to get a temporary caloric high so that I wouldn't
feel like I had to faint. The rolls seemed very sweet to me. I
don't smoke or drink, so my buds operate at 100% capacity.
The buns did not have a printed list of ingredients (since they
were of the frozen-to-bakery variety), but if you look at the
ingredients of any commercial breads, sugar is near the top.
the sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Sugary bun? I've never had a hamburger bun that tasted sweet..
dude, cabrohydrates are sugar.
Dinner rolls tend to be different from hamburger buns..
Particularly Hawaiian sweet rolls - Those are definitely sweet: www.walmart.com/ip/King-s-Hawaiian-Original-Hawaiian-Sweet- Rolls-12-CT-nbsp-Pac k-3/890891414
The buns did not have a printed list of ingredients (since they
were of the frozen-to-bakery variety), but if you look at the
ingredients of any commercial breads, sugar is near the top.
First you say rolls and then you mention buns?
Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
That doesn't sound half-bad. Have you tried making a batch in a crock pot?
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
Sugary bun? I've never had a hamburger bun that tasted sweet..
the sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Sugary bun? I've never had a hamburger bun that tasted sweet..
dude, cabrohydrates are sugar.
Carbs turn into sugar after being digested.. To me, 'sugary' implies it already has sugar and would have a sweet taste..
Particularly Hawaiian sweet rolls - Those are definitely sweet:
www.walmart.com/ip/King-s-Hawaiian-Original-Hawaiian-Sweet-
Rolls-12-CT-nbsp-Pac k-3/890891414
Those seem incredibly expensive.
First you say rolls and then you mention buns?
buns .vs. rolls. Same thing, different sizes. ;)
1700: 1.81 kg
1800: 10.2 kg
1900: 40.8 kg
2009: 81.6 kg
Try eating only non-processed foods only for a week or two and you'll taste it.
On 01-03-21 07:54, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-ide
wish I was like that", but they lose interest when I tell them the training regime behind it.
Mind you, looks for me aren't actually a goal, they're just a nice bonus
effect. :)
Because people want a quick/easy button solution... Restraint and hard work aren't easy. Not eating easy/quick/convenient junk food isn't
really easy either.
I've been a pretty big fan of mostly paleo, most of the time for a long while now, and keto if you're diabetic and/or trying to lose a bit of weight. Of course, getting even an extra half hour of walking or
lifting heavy things daily is the second part, which most people also don't actually do.
I'm not the best personal example, I'm fat with a lot of medical
issues... I just happen to feel better the closer I stick to just fish, meat, eggs and greens. That makes other things easier to do... but
social cues and cravings still persist.
On 01-03-21 09:12, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
adding the line "SET PROMPT [INFECTED $P]" to an admin's autoexec.bat almost got one of my co-workers fired.
On 01-03-21 12:33, Ogg wrote to All <=-
Thank you for the heads-up on Fat Head. I read the wiki about
it, and don't really need to see the film now. I have basically
come to the same awareness that the Fat Head guy did: avoid
saturated fats (especially processed foods with it), limit
calories (that is, don't over eat!), eliminate sugar and
starches.. ..and you will be on the road to better health.
Oh.. and a modicum of some exercise (more walking is probably
good enough for many people) ..helps too.
The problem with Supersize Me was that the guy overate. 5000
cals / day of anything will make the average person fat!
On 01-03-21 13:08, Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
Fat-free is so misunderstood. There are plenty of wholefoods that
contain fat - and that is actually pretty healthy. It's the processed/manufactured stuff that isn't.
I haven't heard of that one. I used to cook with coconut oil as
a substitute to vegetable oil. I think it was primarily to avoid
the remnants (carcinogens) of excessive processing to produce the vegetable oils, and the GMOs of their sources.
buns .vs. rolls. Same thing, different sizes. ;)
bread is bread
also if you cut out corn syrup when you DO have it again it tastes weird. for me it tastes sweet and oily.
Cold pressed oils (which is how olive oil is usually made) don't have this issue.
Ironically the burger (meat) itself isn't the problem so much as the
sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Sugary bun? I've never had a hamburger bun that tasted sweet..
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jan 04 2021 12:40 am
also if you cut out corn syrup when you DO have it again it tastes
weird. for me it tastes sweet and oily.
I never eat corn syrup by itself. I knew someone who said they liked to put corn syrup on pancakes, and I thought that was weird.. I had never seen anyone do that before.
Nightfox
They told them to stop sending the letters because, when they retire, they are leaving Canada for Florida and private health care.
Thank you for the heads-up on Fat Head. I read the wiki about
it, and don't really need to see the film now. I have basically
come to the same awareness that the Fat Head guy did: avoid
saturated fats (especially processed foods with it), limit
calories (that is, don't over eat!), eliminate sugar and
starches.. ..and you will be on the road to better health.
Oh.. and a modicum of some exercise (more walking is probably
good enough for many people) ..helps too.
The problem with Supersize Me was that the guy overate. 5000
cals / day of anything will make the average person fat!
"It's fat free" (but contains huge amounts of sugar).
"It's fat and sugar free" (but contains so much salt that it has a shelf
life of 100,000 years).
Fat-free is so misunderstood. There are plenty of wholefoods that
contain fat - and that is actually pretty healthy. It's the processed/manufactured stuff that isn't.
And the best: I recall someone on Pinterest exclaiming "I
replaced the butter in this <completely unhealthy recipe>
with coconut oil. It's healthy now!". And the next day there
was a study published that showed that coconut oil is WORSE
than butter.
I haven't heard of that one. I used to cook with coconut oil as
a substitute to vegetable oil. I think it was primarily to avoid
the remnants (carcinogens) of excessive processing to produce the
vegetable oils, and the GMOs of their sources.
Now.. I don't really cook at all! ..except for the odd eggs or
stirfry. In those cases, I just use the real thing - butter, or
olive oil.
We mostly listen to Dr. Greger (NutritionFacts.org) who espouses a
plant-based diet with a focus on unprocessed food.
There isn't a single processed food in my pantry.
Going by just how good we feel when we stick to the
guidelines (and how bad we feel when we don't), this seems
like the right way to go.
"feel"ing isn't the best guideline. I have an aunt that feels
that eating a chocolate eclaire is better simply because it feels
lighter than a traditional cake. The fact that she is overweight
and struggling to walk does not enter the equation. :/
the sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Sugary bun? I've never had a hamburger bun that tasted sweet..
dude, cabrohydrates are sugar.
Carbs turn into sugar after being digested.. To me, 'sugary' implies it already has sugar and would have a sweet taste..
I've managed to pull up pretty well, becoming a highly ranked Masters sprinter
here and actually looking like it. :)
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Fri Jan 01 2021 10:26 am
They told them to stop sending the letters because, when they retire,
they are leaving Canada for Florida and private health care.
A huge part of that has to do with the fact that everyone wants to retire to Florida. We are the world's graveyard.
On 01-04-21 09:58, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yep.. Someone steered me to the best olive oils as the cold
pressed variety. I don't skimp on that one.
On 01-04-21 15:49, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Since a Guillain-Barre experience about a decade ago, I really don't
have the balance or fine motor control to be able to run anymore, or
ride a bike for that matter. I can still swim though.
On 01-04-21 08:47, Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
bread is bread
I concur. But good bread doesn't need added sugars beyond what
is needed for the yeast to operate. ;)
On 01-04-21 15:09, Tracker1 wrote to Ogg <=-
The demonization of "saturated fats" mostly comes from the likes of "Lifestyle Medicine" which is run but the seventh day aventist church
and doctrine under their religion to get people to stop eating meat without any evidence to back this up.
Nutrition from ruminant animals (cows, dear, bison, elk) are generally much more bioavailable than most other sources. Eggs are also,
presuming pasture raised, nearly nutritionally perfect. Of course for more complete nutrition this means consuming some eggs and/or organ
meats.
Oh.. and a modicum of some exercise (more walking is probably
good enough for many people) ..helps too.
Agreed on the walking. Lifting heavy things does wonders as well.
The problem with Supersize Me was that the guy overate. 5000
cals / day of anything will make the average person fat!
Generally so.. but as outlined in Fat Head, if he followed the rules he set out, most days he wouldn't have gone over 3000 calories, so was
eating more than he stated in the beginning.
Not to mention, that most of the guidelines of "reducing
fat" have been rolled back in the past decade..
Coconut oil and butter are in general safe and reasonable..
..better to eat nutrient dense foods, feel full and eat less overall.
Of course things like omad/tmad and longer fasting cycles
without snacking help a lot too.
Hostess Hamburger Buns
4g sugar per slice. (a lot of fast food places is a bit higher)
Ingredients
Enriched Wheat Flour (WHEAT Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Malted Barley Flour, Water, *High Fructose Corn Syrup*,
I've managed to pull up pretty well, becoming a highly ranked Masters
sprinter here and actually looking like it. :)
Since a Guillain-Barre experience about a decade ago, I really don't
have the balance or fine motor control to be able to run anymore, or
ride a bike for that matter. I can still swim though.
A huge part of that has to do with the fact that everyone wants to retire to Florida. We are the world's graveyard.
Vk3jed wrote to Ogg <=-
Yep.. Someone steered me to the best olive oils as the cold
pressed variety. I don't skimp on that one.
Yep good move. :)
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
Fat-free is so misunderstood. There are plenty of wholefoods that
contain fat - and that is actually pretty healthy. It's the processed/manufactured stuff that isn't.
I haven't heard of that one.
I used to cook with coconut oil as
a substitute to vegetable oil. I think it was primarily to avoid
the remnants (carcinogens) of excessive processing to produce the vegetable oils, and the GMOs of their sources.
Now.. I don't really cook at all! ..except for the odd eggs or
stirfry. In those cases, I just use the real thing - butter, or
olive oil.
There isn't a single processed food in my pantry.
"feel"ing isn't the best guideline. I have an aunt that feels
that eating a chocolate eclaire is better simply because it feels
lighter than a traditional cake. The fact that she is overweight
and struggling to walk does not enter the equation. :/
But, I note your qualifier "when we stick to the guidelines",
that is, the proper plant-based, unprocessed food, and don't
overeat guidelines.
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
Sugary bun? I've never had a hamburger bun that tasted sweet..
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
carbohydrates turn into sugar the second they touch your tongue. your saliva starts the process. also yes, you need to add sugar into ingredients to make bread. and fastfood buns and other buns should
taste sweet to you. if they dont you probably have some issue with
your taste buds. ---
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I never eat corn syrup by itself. I knew someone who said they liked
to put corn syrup on pancakes, and I thought that was weird.. I had
never seen anyone do that before.
Nightfox wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
A huge part of that has to do with the fact that everyone wants to retire to Florida. We are the world's graveyard.
I'm not sure I'd want to live in Florida. The weather is hot and
humid in the summer, and Florida gets hurricanes.
Dr. What wrote to Nightfox <=-
I never eat corn syrup by itself. I knew someone who said they liked
to put corn syrup on pancakes, and I thought that was weird.. I had
never seen anyone do that before.
Unless you are using REAL maple syrup, you are putting flavored
corn syrup on your pancakes.
They told them to stop sending the letters because, when they retire, they are leaving Canada for Florida and private health care.
A huge part of that has to do with the fact that everyone wants to retire to F
rida. We are the world's graveyard.
I never eat corn syrup by itself. I knew someone who said they
liked to put corn syrup on pancakes, and I thought that was weird..
I had never seen anyone do that before.
Unless you are using REAL maple syrup, you are putting flavored corn syrup on your pancakes.
Vk3jed wrote to Ogg <=-
Yep.. Someone steered me to the best olive oils as the cold
pressed variety. I don't skimp on that one.
Yep good move. :)
I took a knife-handling class a couple of years ago, and one of the final exercises we did was to slice red onions as thin as we could, place them on top of blood orange wedges (cut free of the membrane) and drizzled with olive oil and sea salt. It tasted pretty amazing, and the instructor said "it better, that olive oil is $55 a bottle!"
... Eval Day 1005
Fat-free is so misunderstood. There are plenty of wholefoods that
contain fat - and that is actually pretty healthy. It's the
processed/manufactured stuff that isn't.
Yup. It depends on the amount and type of fat. Fat, in general, is not good for you - no matter the type. But when the whole foods tend to have very little.
Ya, coconut oil clogs up your arteries worse than butter.
Now, if you are cholesterol-sensitive (i.e. eat an egg and
your cholesterol goes off the chart) then switching to
coconut oil from butter is an improvement. But neither are
good for you.
Part of the problem is that people confuse "healthy" with "healthier".
A dark chocolate bar is healthier than a deep-fried chocolate doughnut. But neither are healthy. A cocoa/banana shake is healthier than the dark chocolate bar - but will spike your insulin just as hard.
Coconut oil has a high smoke point. When the oil burns you get the carcinogens.That's why frying at a high temp with something like extra virgin oilve oil
is bad (low smoke point).
Dairy and I had a falling our a while ago. So butter just fell out of my diet. I usually use olive oil when I need something. I keep some vegetable oil around for the (very few) times that I need to high-heat cook something.
There isn't a single processed food in my pantry.
We keep a few "ready meals" around for when we don't have time. It's healthier than McDonalds - and if you get the Lean Cuisine-style, they
are the correct portions and higher in vegetables. So not too bad.
When I was losing the weight, I went for a whole year without any sugar. One day, I splurged (extra malted milk powder in leftover sweetened condenced milk - this was before I had the dairy problems). I swear, I could hear colors. I had to sit down and wait for the crash to hit.
We are human and there are times when we want a treat. We've worked out that if we have a treat once every few weeks, immediately after a healthy meal, it doesn't impact us much. Note that we always do at least a short walk after a meal.
.. slice red onions as thin as we could, place them
on top of blood orange wedges (cut free of the membrane) and drizzled
with olive oil and sea salt. It tasted pretty amazing, and the instructor said "it better, that olive oil is $55 a bottle!"
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
I never eat corn syrup by itself. I knew someone who said they
liked to put corn syrup on pancakes, and I thought that was weird..
I had never seen anyone do that before.
Unless you are using REAL maple syrup, you are putting flavored corn syrup on your pancakes.
On 01-05-21 07:10, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I took a knife-handling class a couple of years ago, and one of the
final exercises we did was to slice red onions as thin as we could,
place them on top of blood orange wedges (cut free of the membrane) and drizzled with olive oil and sea salt. It tasted pretty amazing, and the instructor said "it better, that olive oil is $55 a bottle!"
no i mean like in sodas and things that have corn syrup. you can taste it
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: Vlk-451 to Dumas Walker on Tue Jan 05 2021 01:29 am
i dont. i dont like the heat and bugs and i'm scared of florida man
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: Vlk-451 to Dumas Walker on Tue Jan 05 2021 01:29 am
A huge part of that has to do with the fact that everyone wants to retire to Florida. We are the world's graveyard.
I'm not sure I'd want to live in Florida. The weather is hot and humid in the summer, and Florida gets hurricanes.
Nightfox
They told them to stop sending the letters because, when they retire, they are leaving Canada for Florida and private health care.
A huge part of that has to do with the fact that everyone wants to retire to F
rida. We are the world's graveyard.
I would not have mentioned it if the fellow had not specifically mentioned the "and private health care" part. :)
If it helps, I don't want to retire to Florida. Ideally, I would spend winter around here and summer on Lake Superior somewhere... but I don't think I will ever have the $$$ for that.
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Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
Avocados, nuts, cheeses, pure peanut butter, ..examples of good
fat.
I am not convinced that eggs are a single source of bad
cholesterol. The LDL and HDL forms get "created" in the body and
the bad one causes the plating in the arteries that causes more
damage - or something like that. But eliminating eggs is not
going to reduce the bad cholesterol.
I realized I can make my one "lean cuisine" from readily frozen
stuff. I substitute the white potato with the orange coloured
yam/sweet potato.
I might have a baked apple (easy in the microwave) and some honey
after a spicy meal. I don't entertain processed food treats.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I took a knife-handling class a couple of years ago, and one of the
final exercises we did was to slice red onions as thin as we could,
place them on top of blood orange wedges (cut free of the membrane) and drizzled with olive oil and sea salt. It tasted pretty amazing, and the instructor said "it better, that olive oil is $55 a bottle!"
Haha how big was the bottle? :)
Vlk-451 wrote to Nightfox <=-
A huge part of that has to do with the fact that everyone wants to retire to Florida. We are the world's graveyard.
I'm not sure I'd want to live in Florida. The weather is hot and humid in the summer, and Florida gets hurricanes.
If you life on the gulf cost you mostly get sheltered from the
hurricanes. As far as the humidity goes, yeah, that sucks.
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
Avocados, nuts, cheeses, pure peanut butter, ..examples of good
fat.
"Healthier" not "healthy" fat.
..I don't entertain processed food treats.
We try not do. And we mostly succeed. But that's part of the problem today: chose cheap, processed foods are quick, cheap and easy to get.
On 01-06-21 05:39, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haha how big was the bottle? :)
Not that big, :)
In a dose of irony, we took a break during the class so they could prep the next phase, and the instructor used the opportunity to upsell some knives in the retail part of the store. As she was putting away a
chef's knife, she slashed her finger horribly and had to finish the
class with her hand bandaged and in a latex glove. She went to the emergency room after the class. A trooper, she was.
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
Avocados, nuts, cheeses, pure peanut butter, ..examples of good
fat.
"Healthier" not "healthy" fat.
OK..(but I've done some research and am fine with the above)
..meanwhile, show us YOUR list of healthy fat.
The temptations diminished over time. When have to buy a new
SMALLER belt, and can buy a pair of pants down a size or two,
that is a greater treat than a shiny package full of sugar.
OK. Here's my list of healthy fat:
(It's pretty short because fat - from all sources - should
be kept low.)
The temptations diminished over time. When have to buy a
new SMALLER belt, and can buy a pair of pants down a size
or two, that is a greater treat than a shiny package full
of sugar.
That is very true. The longer we stay away from those
things, the less pull they have on it.
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
I think the science behind the Keto (low carb, high fat) is
pretty good. The natural fats from cashews are pretty good for
you, for example - and that's just one thing from a longer list
of wholesome fats.
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: Vlk-451 to Dumas Walker on Tue Jan 05 2021 01:29 am
A huge part of that has to do with the fact that everyone wants to retire to Florida. We are the world's graveyard.
I'm not sure I'd want to live in Florida. The weather is hot and humid in the summer, and Florida gets hurricanes.
I'm not sure I'd want to live in Florida. The weather is hot and
humid in the summer, and Florida gets hurricanes.
And Florida is where most of America's crazies seem to call home. :-)
Of course things like omad/tmad and longer fasting cycles
without snacking help a lot too.
omad / tmad (had to look it up) I'm not convinced. Instead, I
found that if the goal is to not exceed certain # of cal per day,
divide that by the number of waking hours, you get approx the
number of cals one would have per hour. For me that amounted to
100 cals. So.. I could eat 4 times per day but not exceed 400
cals each time. Worked for me! That also falls along the line
to avoid the dips and spikes in energy one feels before and after
meals.
The only thing two meals or vastly unequal calorie counts in
meals accomplished was send me to take a nap, or to crave sugar.
Hostess Hamburger Buns
4g sugar per slice. (a lot of fast food places is a bit higher)
...
No thanks. What many people probably do not realize is that 4g
is the equiv of 1 tsp of sugar. Add those grams up per slice (I
bet no one just has one!) through the day, and say "hello, sugar
addict".
Since a Guillain-Barre experience about a decade ago, I really don't
have the balance or fine motor control to be able to run anymore, or
ride a bike for that matter. I can still swim though.
G-B is not so good. Sorry to hear that. Is it the permanent type
for you? ..or are you able to mitigate things with dramatic diet
changes?
Keep up the good swim!
Re: Re: COVID-19 Vaccine
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Jan 21 2021 04:53 pm
I'm not sure I'd want to live in Florida. The weather is hot and
humid in the summer, and Florida gets hurricanes.
And Florida is where most of America's crazies seem to call home.
:-)
So it seems. I've seen multiple "Florida Man" stories in the news recently..
So it seems. I've seen multiple "Florida Man" stories in the news recently..
If you're under 400 calories a day, you're much more likely to see a reduction in metabolism (see biggest loser study), it also depends on a state of diabetese and metabolic disfunction. As the body can clear
more glucose with less insulin in a single meal.
So it seems. I've seen multiple "Florida Man" stories in the news recently..
I think that Florida has replaced California as the destination for folks from the Eastern part of the country who are looking for a change and/or a warmer destination. Like California, and several other southern states, a lot of the folks there are not Florida natives, or their parents were not.
Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
I'm not sure I'd want to live in Florida. The weather is hot and humid in the summer, and Florida gets hurricanes.
And Florida is where most of America's crazies seem to call home. :-)
Dream Master wrote to Nightfox <=-
The first time I ever heard anything bad about Florida was from my
wife. She told me that the mosquitos were huge.
If you're under 400 calories a day, you're much more likely to see a
reduction in metabolism (see biggest loser study), it also depends on a
state of diabetese and metabolic disfunction. As the body can clear
more glucose with less insulin in a single meal.
The best thing you can do is consume 60 grams of protein a day, usually through a meal replacement shake. Avoid a lot of vegetables,
completely avoid fruits, and grains should be removed from your diet completely. If you stay between 600 and 1200 calories, you'll end up
burning fat thus helping to reduce body weight.
Even as a Type 2 Diabetic, I've noticed that focusing on two meal
replacement shakes (breakfast and lunch) then eating a smart dinner
has helped me lose weight and keep it off.
It was always my understanding that people from California would relocate to Arizona as the cost of living is less, climate is warm, and you are still close to everything. My parents told me some years ago they'd love
I thought the crazies gravitated to California.
It was always my understanding that people from California would relocate to Ar
zona as the cost of living is less, climate is warm, and you are still close to
everything. My parents told me some years ago they'd love to move to Sedona bu
still remain in Southern California. On the other hand, my old boss who retir
d two years ago, who was from Southern California but relocated to Colorado (li
e me), relocated to Prescott, Arizona. He sold his house for $600K in Colorado
bought a larger house in Arizona, and paid cash for it. :|
Meal replacement shakes are often incomplete protein sources without enough fats. Better to eat a few eggs each day over a shake, even 3-4 hard boiled eggs, especially pasture raised will have a better nutrient profile.
Tell her to visit the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in Spring. She'll change her mind about that.
(If she has a small dog, tell her to leave it at home.)
Meal replacement shakes are often incomplete protein sources without
enough fats. Better to eat a few eggs each day over a shake, even 3-4
hard boiled eggs, especially pasture raised will have a better nutrient profile.
I'm also not a proponent of taking in less than 1200 calories a day,
unless you're outright extended fasting.
California is already warm. Arizona's summers are so hot, I'm not sure I'd want to live there..
California is already warm. Arizona's summers are so hot, I'm not
sure I'd want to live there..
I hate hot. I'm happy with 30 to 70. When Colorado gets into the 80s and low 90s I'm miserable.
Tell her to visit the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in Spring. She'll change her
mind about that.
(If she has a small dog, tell her to leave it at home.)
I hate hot. I'm happy with 30 to 70.
I won't disagree and I need to consider that as I the days
go on. I am actively seeing a doctor and I hate the
lectures about weighing 5 pounds more than the last time I
was in.
I don't disagree but I need to keep dropping weight. Being
6'5" and 350lbs is not healthy. I go down, hit a plateau,
get pissed off, gain a few pounds, lose a few, it's never
ending.
I'm the same. I like it up to around 70, maybe 71.
My mother used to always complain about the mosquitos in Michigan. I visit there at least once a year (but usually during July, August, or September).
The mosquitos here in Kentucky are worse.
Tell her to visit the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in Spring. She'llher
change
mind about that.
(If she has a small dog, tell her to leave it at home.)
My mother used to always complain about the mosquitos in Michigan. I visit there at least once a year (but usually during July, August, or September).
The mosquitos here in Kentucky are worse.
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I won't disagree and I need to consider that as I the days
go on. I am actively seeing a doctor and I hate the
lectures about weighing 5 pounds more than the last time I
was in.
Next time you go in, don't have a meal before the visit. Take a
shit and piss everything you've got before your appointment! ;)
Meal replacement shakes are often incomplete protein sources without enough fats. Better to eat a few eggs each day over a shake, even 3-4 hard boiled eggs, especially pasture raised will have a better nutrient profile.
can anybody really do that though? i tried eating eggs on a regular basis and for my body it worked well but i got food fatigue real bad real fast with eggs.
then i had a bad egg or something and got sick.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
My mother used to always complain about the mosquitos in Michigan. I visit there at least once a year (but usually during July, August, or September).
The mosquitos here in Kentucky are worse.
Meal replacement shakes are often incomplete protein sources
without enough fats. Better to eat a few eggs each day over
a shake, even 3-4 hard boiled eggs, especially pasture raised
will have a better nutrient profile.
can anybody really do that though? i tried eating eggs on a
regular basis and for my body it worked well but i got food
fatigue real bad real fast> with eggs. then i had a bad egg
or something and got sick.
My mother used to always complain about the mosquitos in Michigan. I visit >> there at least once a year (but usually during July, August, or September). >> The mosquitos here in Kentucky are worse.
I've been all over the world but not all the states. You're really making me t want to visit those places. :)
My mother used to always complain about the mosquitos in Michigan. I visi
there at least once a year (but usually during July, August, or September).
The mosquitos here in Kentucky are worse.
it depends on the weather.
real fast with eggs.
then i had a bad egg or something and got sick.
I've been eating 4-5 eggs per day since around 2013... I suppose my body is just used to it now.
eMy mother used to always complain about the mosquitos in Michigan. I visit
there at least once a year (but usually during July, August, or September).
The mosquitos here in Kentucky are worse.
I've been all over the world but not all the states. You're really making
t want to visit those places. :)
Michigan is awesome in the Summer/early Autumn.
MRO wrote to Andeddu <=-
dont you get food fatigue?
Lake Michigan is beautiful.
MRO wrote to Andeddu <=-
dont you get food fatigue?
One way is to adjust the seasonings. This was really important when I was losing the weight because it let me eat the healthy stuff without getting tired of it.
Today, I'll adjust what greens I have for dinner and change up the dressing.
I usually change my eating habits with the seasons. Right now win Winter,
Re: Re: My "wake up" was when
By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Jan 27 2021 09:09 am
MRO wrote to Andeddu <=-
dont you get food fatigue?
One way is to adjust the seasonings. This was really important when I was losing the weight because it let me eat the
healthy stuff without getting tired of it.
Today, I'll adjust what greens I have for dinner and change up the dressing.
I usually change my eating habits with the seasons. Right now win Winter,
i get real tired at work so i want to eat real fast so i can feel better. also i have a baby that i'm taking care of sometimes.
i dont have time for making dinners sometimes.
that makes it hard because i can just throw some popcorn chicken in the microwave and eat like that.
I've been eating 4-5 eggs per day since around 2013... I suppose my body is just used to it now.
dont you get food fatigue?
dont you get food fatigue?
As in tiredness after consuming that number of eggs each day? No, I feel energised if anything. After that many eggs and a protein shake along with something nice like a latte (I drink Costa Coffee pods) I can go on for
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
i get real tired at work so i want to eat real fast so i can feel
better. also i have a baby that i'm taking care of sometimes.
i dont have time for making dinners sometimes.
Arelor wrote to MRO <=-
Then people gets wild variations of sugar level so they have an hyper-caloric breakfast but still end up getting hungry mid-morning. I have heard the nutritionist we have here is recommending chromium for stabilizing sugar levels btw.
I hear you. What my wife and I do is pre-make healthier choices for the week when we have more time on the weekends.
For example: The steel cut oats that I have for breakfast. I make several servings, put them in microwavable containers and put them in the fridge. When I want one, 3 minutes in the microwave and I have a hot, healthy breakfast.
We still do a good number of "quick meals", but we try to get the ones that are on the healthy side. ex: 200 calorie soup instead of 400 calorie soup. Or Lean Cuisine style instead of "hungry man" frozen dinners.
Arelor wrote to MRO <=-
Then people gets wild variations of sugar level so they have an hyper-caloric breakfast but still end up getting hungry mid-morning. I have heard the nutritionist we have here is recommending chromium for stabilizing sugar levels btw.
IHMO: Any "nutritionist" who prescribes chromium (unless there is another health condition other than "bad eating") to lower blood sugar is a quack.
Simply eating healthier meals and not grazing all day will lower blood sugar.
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Dr. What wrote to MRO <=-
For example: The steel cut oats that I have for breakfast. I make
several servings, put them in microwavable containers and put them in
the fridge. When I want one, 3 minutes in the microwave and I have a
hot, healthy breakfast.
Dr. What wrote to Arelor <=-
IHMO: Any "nutritionist" who prescribes chromium (unless there is
another health condition other than "bad eating") to lower blood sugar
is a quack.
Simply eating healthier meals and not grazing all day will lower blood sugar.
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
Maybe I should do that more often. I'm not sure how often I'd want to spend a weekend day cooking food though..
no i mean you never want to see another egg again or turkey sandwich.
Maybe I should do that more often. I'm not sure how often I'd want
to spend a weekend day cooking food though..
Buy a crock pot, and you can make healthy stews and roasts without taking up a lot of time on the weekends - and have leftovers for a couple of days.
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
Maybe I should do that more often. I'm not sure how often I'd want to spend a weekend day cooking food though.. I also live by myself, so
it's just me. But sometimes I like to make a batch of spaghetti sauce
and put it in mason jars so I have some home-cooked spaghetti sauce
when I want some. Also, there are some things I'll make for dinner for myself that are enough for several meals for me - Sometimes I'll make meatloaf, and with just one pound of meat and a side to go with it, I could get maybe 4 meals out of that for me. I'll usually take
leftovers to work for lunch. And for something like stir-fry and rice,
I usually make enough to have several leftover meals that I could use
for lunch or dinner.
Isn't 3 minutes about the time it takes to mircrowave steel cut oats in the first place? I've bought those sometimes, and I seem to remember about 3 minutes being the microwave time from the box.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Buy a crock pot, and you can make healthy stews and roasts without taking up a lot of time on the weekends - and have leftovers for a couple of days.
That's true. I had a crock pot, and it was handy for that.
That's true. I had a crock pot, and it was handy for that.
The great thing is that you can find them for cheap at thrift shops.
My project this week is learning to get better at using my rice cooker. I bought uncooked brown rice instead of those microwave packets.
Vlk-451 wrote to Gamgee <=-
If you life on the gulf cost you mostly get sheltered from the hurricanes. As far as the humidity goes, yeah, that sucks.
Really?
Nearly every single hurricane that hits Florida hits on the Gulf
Coast. Yep, really.
I had meant the Golf of Mexico. Golf cost? The area west of
Central Florida. Near St. Pete. Hurricanes can blow over there
but the East coast eats like, 99% of the shit first.
You are seriously confused. The east coast of Florida gets very few hurricane landfalls. One from last year (named 'Eta') came ashore pretty close to St. Pete. Several others made landfall on the Gulf side of
Florida too. None on the east coast.
All of this is easily verified, should you choose to do so.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
You are seriously confused. The east coast of Florida gets very few hurricane landfalls. One from last year (named 'Eta') came ashore pretty close to St. Pete. Several others made landfall on the Gulf side of
Florida too. None on the east coast.
All of this is easily verified, should you choose to do so.
The east coast ones, like Andrew, usually hit the Miami area or
points south.
Yes indeed. Most of them pass south of that, and then curl up into the
Gulf, coming ashore in the panhandle of FL, or in AL/MS/LA/TX. Last year
was fairly crappy for those of us on the Gulf Coast, sure hoping this next summer is not as bad.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
Yes indeed. Most of them pass south of that, and then curl up into the Gulf, coming ashore in the panhandle of FL, or in AL/MS/LA/TX. Last year was fairly crappy for those of us on the Gulf Coast, sure hoping this next summer is not as bad.
It was indeed. Hope this year goes better for you all.
Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-
My mother used to always complain about the mosquitos in Michigan. I visit there at least once a year (but usually during July, August, or September).
The mosquitos here in Kentucky are worse.
Someone once asked why they built a prison in da U.P. They were told it was because no one would want to escape.
Winter: You'll freeze to death before getting somewhere.
Spring: The bugs will eat you alive.
Summer: The bears/wolves/etc. will eat you alive.
Autumn: Hunting season. 'Nuff said.
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