Back to the BBS - The return to being online (Part One) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0OwGSX2IiQ
Back to the BBS - The return to being online (Part One) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0OwGSX2IiQ
Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
Back to the BBS - The return to being online (Part One) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0OwGSX2IiQ
That's cool. I just saw this, and it looks like it will be interesting
to watch.
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: Digital Man to All on Fri Dec 18 2020 07:17 pm
Back to the BBS - The return to being online (Part One)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0OwGSX2IiQ
That's cool. I just saw this, and it looks like it will be interesting to watch.
Nightfox
Maybe we'll see a resurgence in BBSs as more people leave social media. (As I think about that, it might not be a good thing. 8) )
dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was distracting.
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Dec 22 2020 12:38 pm
dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was
distracting.
Have you never heard other accents before?
From what I've watched so far, it sounded to me like it might be a Scottish accent.
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Dec 22 2020 12:38 pm
dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was distracting.
Have you never heard other accents before? I guess it didn't really bother me, and I actually thought it was interesting to hear it from someone not in the US.
From what I've watched so far, it sounded to me like it might be a Scottish accent.
From what I've watched so far, it sounded to me like it might be a
Scottish accent.
Scottish for sure. Which surprised me because I thought it said he was in New Zealand. Then again, I've got a British accent and live in Dallas...
Maybe we'll see a resurgence in BBSs as more people leave social media.
(As I think about that, it might not be a good thing. 8) )
dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was
distracting.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was distracting.
Have you never heard other accents before? I guess it didn't
really bother me, and I actually thought it was interesting to
hear it from someone not in the US.
From what I've watched so far, it sounded to me like it might be
a Scottish accent.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Tue Dec 22 2020 10:34 am
Maybe we'll see a resurgence in BBSs as more people leave social
media. (As I think about that, it might not be a good thing. 8) )
We survived an influx of newbies every September and December 26th, I think we'll survive another influx just fine.
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Dec 22 2020 01:21 pm
dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was
distracting.
Americans are bad that way. I'm always amazed when I hear someone interviewed on TV with a British accent and they turn on closed captioning.
Maybe we'll see a resurgence in BBSs as more people leave social media.
(As I think about that, it might not be a good thing. 8) )
Have you never heard other accents before? I guess it didn't really bother me, and I actually thought it was interesting to hear it from someone not in the US.
dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was
distracting.
Americans are bad that way. I'm always amazed when I hear someone interviewed on TV with a British accent and they turn on closed captioning.
I have a trained ear, I suppose. My wife is from England and most of our streaming television consists of English murder mysteries.
In my years of working in IT, I've come across many accents. The hardest for me was central India. The accent was so rough I couldn't understand half the words being spoken. Now that half my team is Indian, my ability to understand each of them has significantly improved.
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Dec 22 2020 01:21 pm
Have you never heard other accents before? I guess it didn't really
bother me, and I actually thought it was interesting to hear it from
someone not in the US.
In my years of working in IT, I've come across many accents. The hardest for me was central India. The accent was so rough I couldn't understand half the words being spoken. Now that half my team is Indian, my ability to understand each of them has significantly improved.
Unless we can find a way to minic that of vBulletin or phpBB, the idea of people jumping back into the fold of BBSes is unlikely. I'd love to see something like Synchronet evolve to the point of being CMS/vBulletin like an getting people off of Facebook.
Unless we can find a way to minic that of vBulletin or phpBB, the idea of
people jumping back into the fold of BBSes is unlikely. I'd love to see something like Synchronet evolve to the point of being CMS/vBulletin like an getting people off of Facebook.
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Dec 22 2020 01:21 pm
Have you never heard other accents before? I guess it didn't really both me, and I actually thought it was interesting to hear it from someone not the US.
In my years of working in IT, I've come across many accents. The hardest fo me was central India. The accent was so rough I couldn't understand half th words being spoken. Now that half my team is Indian, my ability to understa each of them has significantly improved.
Dream Master
From what I've watched so far, it sounded to me like it might be a Scottish
Scottish for sure. Which surprised me because I thought it said he was in New Zealand. Then again, I've got a British accent and live in Dallas...
Unless we can find a way to minic that of vBulletin or phpBB, the idea of people jumping back into the fold of BBSes is unlikely. I'd love to see something like Synchronet evolve to the point of being CMS/vBulletin like and getting people off of Facebook.
oh i wonder what that's like because i never heard other accents before.
Dream Master wrote to Dr. What <=-
Anyway, yeah, I'd love to see something evolve to replace Facebook. We can only hope.
BBS should keep being their own thing instead of trying to become something else whose market niche is already taken. It happens every day. Somebody tries to mutate their product into something the product is not in order to catch customers from other markets, and what ends up happening is you lose your current users and fail to get the new ones.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Dream Master to Dr. What on Tue Dec 22 2020 10:22 pm
Unless we can find a way to minic that of vBulletin or phpBB, the idea
of people jumping back into the fold of BBSes is unlikely. I'd love
to see something like Synchronet evolve to the point of being
CMS/vBulletin like an getting people off of Facebook.
If that happened I would stop BBSing all together. That's how much I dislike those interface's. I also really don't want anyone from facebook on my BBS. I enjoy conversations that interest me. I don't see that on facebook. If you want the point and click, sychronet has a very nice web interface developed by echicken. Have you checked it out yet?
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: MRO to Dream Master on Wed Dec 23 2020 01:06 am
oh i wonder what that's like because i never heard other accents
before.
But you said in another message that you watch more UK TV than American TV?
oh i wonder what that's like because i never heard other accents
before.
But you said in another message that you watch more UK TV than
American TV?
what?
There are technical alternatives to Facebook in the fediverse, but
Scottish for sure. Which surprised me because I thought it said he was in New Zealand. Then again, I've got a British accent and live in Dallas...
He could be from Scotland originally and moved to New Zealand.
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Dec 23 2020 02:00 pm
oh i wonder what that's like because i never heard other accents
before.
But you said in another message that you watch more UK TV than
American TV?
what?
It was in a message from you to poindexter fortran. Your exact wording was: oh i watch brittish tv more than usa television.
Nightfox
On 12-23-20 06:44, HusTler wrote to Dream Master <=-
@VIA: VERT/HAVENS
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Dream Master to Dr. What on Tue Dec 22 2020 10:22 pm
Unless we can find a way to minic that of vBulletin or phpBB, the idea of people jumping back into the fold of BBSes is unlikely. I'd love to see something like Synchronet evolve to the point of being CMS/vBulletin like an getting people off of Facebook.
If that happened I would stop BBSing all together. That's how much I dislike those interface's. I also really don't want anyone from
facebook on my BBS. I enjoy conversations that interest me. I don't see that on facebook. If you want the point and click, sychronet has a very nice web interface developed by echicken. Have you checked it out yet?
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
From what I've watched so far, it sounded to me like it might be a Scottish accent.
Dream Master wrote to Nightfox <=-
In my years of working in IT, I've come across many accents. The
hardest for me was central India. The accent was so rough I couldn't understand half the words being spoken.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
There are technical alternatives to Facebook in the fediverse, but
Fediverse?
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dream Master on Wed Dec 23 2020 07:11 am
There are technical alternatives to Facebook in the fediverse, but
Fediverse?
oh i wonder what that's like because i never heard other accents
before.
But you said in another message that you watch more UK TV than
American TV?
It was in a message from you to poindexter fortran. Your exact wording
was: oh i watch brittish tv more than usa television.
i think you have a corrupt qwk packet.
On 12-23-20 08:52, Arelor wrote to Dream Master <=-
Spaniard here.
I can deal with most Brittish, Scotts and 'muricans. Texan does not
count as ENnglish in my book, but I can also deal with it. Indian is
the accent I deal the best with out of pure posh English.
What I can't understand for the life of me is Australian. Don't let
them fool you. They talk no English at all. It is some language from outerspace that happens to have some remote similarity, but it is no English at all. --
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: Nelgin to Nightfox on Tue Dec 22 2020 05:36 pm
From what I've watched so far, it sounded to me like it might be a Scottish
Scottish for sure. Which surprised me because I thought it said he was in New Zealand. Then again, I've got a British accent and live in Dallas...
He could be from Scotland originally and moved to New Zealand.
Nightfox
dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was distracting.New Zealand, I think.
From what I've watched so far, it sounded to me like it might be
a Scottish accent.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dream Master on Wed Dec 23 2020 07:11 am
There are technical alternatives to Facebook in the fediverse, but
Fediverse?
Nightfox
Fediverse?
Open, federated social network sites. They allow multiple servers to talk
to each other and select the topic, theme and control over content, but
still communicate with each other.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Are you running the server "code" on your own PC? If so, sounds like
what the traditional BBSes are, albiet more "real time".
Back to the BBS - The return to being online (Part One) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0OwGSX2IiQ
Premieres Dec 20, 2020.
Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
Back to the BBS - The return to being online (Part One) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0OwGSX2IiQ
That's cool. I just saw this, and it looks like it will be interesting to watch.
I enjoyed it as well. It complement Jason Scott's BBS Documentary by picking up where things are today.
Maybe we'll see a resurgence in BBSs as more people leave social media.
(As I think about that, it might not be a good thing. 8) )
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Tue Dec 22 2020 10:34 am
Maybe we'll see a resurgence in BBSs as more people leave social media. (As I think about that, it might not be a good thing. 8) )
I doubt most people today are aware of BBSes. And when I try to search for BBS-related things on the internet, it seems most relevant search results are buried several pages later. I don't think search engines consider "bulletin board system" the way we think of them as a recent relevant thing. I remember searching for BBS online a while ago, and most results came up with BBS wheels instead (totally unrelated to bulletin boards).
Nightfox
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Tue Dec 22 2020 10:34 am
Maybe we'll see a resurgence in BBSs as more people leave social media. (As I think about that, it might not be a good thing. 8) )
We survived an influx of newbies every September and December 26th, I think we'll survive another influx just fine.
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Dec 22 2020 01:21 pm
dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was
distracting.
Americans are bad that way. I'm always amazed when I hear someone interviewed on TV with a British accent and they turn on closed captioning.
I have a trained ear, I suppose. My wife is from England and most of our streaming television consists of English murder mysteries.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dr. What on Tue Dec 22 2020 06:19 pm
we havent had an influx for over 10 years.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Tue Dec 22 2020 10:34 am
Maybe we'll see a resurgence in BBSs as more people leave social media. (As I think about that, it might not be a good thing. 8) )
Unless we can find a way to minic that of vBulletin or phpBB, the idea of people jumping back into the fold of BBSes is unlikely. I'd love to see something like Synchronet evolve to the point of being CMS/vBulletin like and getting people off of Facebook.
If you all take a step back and remember MajorBBS, they offered a RIP-based CMS that could be evolved into something signficantly better than just the run of the mill MajorBBS. There was a BBS in Los Angeles ran by two guys that evolved into something amazing, with all the bells and whistles, RIP, web, the whole nine yards.
Anyway, yeah, I'd love to see something evolve to replace Facebook. We can only hope.
Dream Master
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Dec 22 2020 01:21 pm
Have you never heard other accents before? I guess it didn't really bother me, and I actually thought it was interesting to hear it from someone not in the US.
In my years of working in IT, I've come across many accents. The hardest for me was central India. The accent was so rough I couldn't understand half the words being spoken. Now that half my team is Indian, my ability to understand each of them has significantly improved.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Dream Master to Dr. What on Tue Dec 22 2020 10:22 pm
Unless we can find a way to minic that of vBulletin or phpBB, the idea of people jumping back into the fold of BBSes is unlikely. I'd love to see something like Synchronet evolve to the point of being CMS/vBulletin like an getting people off of Facebook.
Dunno, I think there are CMS already for people who wants a web service or forum. Some of them have mailing list emulation and Usenet interfacing and everything.
BBS should keep being their own thing instead of trying to become something else whose market niche is already taken. It happens every day. Somebody tries to mutate their product into something the product is not in order to catch customers from other markets, and what ends up happening is you lose your current users and fail to get the new ones.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Dream Master to Dr. What on Tue Dec 22 2020 10:22 pm
Unless we can find a way to minic that of vBulletin or phpBB, the idea of
people jumping back into the fold of BBSes is unlikely. I'd love to see something like Synchronet evolve to the point of being CMS/vBulletin like an getting people off of Facebook.
If that happened I would stop BBSing all together. That's how much I dislike those interface's. I also really don't want anyone from facebook on my BBS. I enjoy conversations that interest me. I don't see that on facebook. If you want the point and click, sychronet has a very nice web interface developed by echicken. Have you checked it out yet?
|07 HusTler
Texan does not count as English in my book,
It was in a message from you to poindexter fortran. Your exact wording was: oh i watch brittish tv more than usa television.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dream Master on Wed Dec 23 2020 07:11 am
There are technical alternatives to Facebook in the fediverse, but
Fediverse?
Nightfox
Re: New BBS documentary (series)
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Dec 23 2020 02:53 pm
i think you have a corrupt qwk packet.
I'd want the traditional text based interfaces to remain. I don'tt like web interfaces, but I am happy to offer them for those who do like them. But give me text mode anyday. :)
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
There are technical alternatives to Facebook in the fediverse, but
Fediverse?
Open, federated social network sites. They allow multiple servers to
talk to each other and select the topic, theme and control over
content, but still communicate with each other.
Mastodon is one of the bigger ones out there, but they're still under
the radar compared to the commercial proprietary sites. httpp://mastodon.social is the most well-known, but there are many
other sites.
I'm @poindexter@mastodon.social (the 2 ampersands are part of mastodon naming...)
here's a link to Mastadon with an invite: https://mastodon.social/invite/X649CgRi
... Go to an extreme, move back to a more comfortable place
Sure, maybe in some closed nets things are more secure, but I get the feeling there is some true crime story or case involving idiots getting caught pushing illegal shit via BBSs.
Is there really a big influx of new posters around Christmas?
In my years of working in IT, I've come across many accents. The
hardest for me was central India. The accent was so rough I couldn't
understand half the words being spoken.
There's that, plus they tend to speak FAST and use the Queen's English instead
of American English.
So it does take a while to train the ear.
Fediverse?
Open, federated social network sites. They allow multiple servers to talk
to each other and select the topic, theme and control over content, but
still communicate with each other.
Are you running the server "code" on your own PC? If so, sounds like what the traditional BBSes are, albiet more "real time".
So.. if you were to establish some message areas for sharing with FTN-based systems, would that be considered gating?
Agreed. I really wish I could get telnet in my linux terminal to output thes boards properly with the correct colors and such.
Vlk-451 wrote to Dr. What <=-
As someone relatively new to the boards, I'm eager to branch out from synchronet and see what other BBS's are out there in the wild west. I found off an android app a way to connect to some from taiwan that also have http mirrors for viewing the posts in plain text. Two biggest barriers to entry are I don't speak the language and I don't have a terminal equipped to telnet into these BBSs and display the language
and colors correctly.
Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-
Worst for me was thick Irish accents... easiest are Russian and
Jamacian speaking American-style English.
The Syncronet Web Interface, are you talking about fTerm? Or whatever the in browser terminal is.
I like that a lot, yeah. If you're talking about something else, please tell me.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 26 2020 11:05 pm
Is there really a big influx of new posters around Christmas?
It used to be that kids would get modems for Christmas and a wave of newbies would hit the boards on the 26th.
Or, they'd set up a BBS on their home phone line from 11:00pm to 6:00am, and piss the hell out of their parents when someone called them with a modem during daylight hours.
Are other people going to really see the value in abandoning the GUI to live in a terminal enviornment world? Can you really say you aren't being monitored when telnet is unencrypted and anyone can scim the plain text of what's posted in the public boards?
Sure, maybe in some closed nets things are more secure, but I get the feeling there is some true crime story or case involving idiots getting caught pushing illegal shit via BBSs.
Worst for me was thick Irish accents... easiest are Russian and Jamacian speaking American-style English.
Maybe we'll see a resurgence in BBSs as more people leave
social media. (As I think about that, it might not be a good
thing. 8) )
Unless we can find a way to minic that of vBulletin or phpBB,
the idea of people jumping back into the fold of BBSes is
unlikely. I'd love to see something like Synchronet evolve to
the point of being CMS/vBulletin like and getting people off of
Facebook.
Anyway, yeah, I'd love to see something evolve to replace
Facebook. We can only hope.
Is there really a big influx of new posters around Christmas?
There have been threads about why we might want to use SSH instead of telnet, but the general consensus seems to be most users would probably default to telnet and probably wouldn't care that their BBS activity is being monitored.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Dec 26 2020 11:05 pm
Is there really a big influx of new posters around Christmas?
It used to be that kids would get modems for Christmas and a wave of newbies would hit the boards on the 26th.
Or, they'd set up a BBS on their home phone line from 11:00pm to 6:00am, and piss the hell out of their parents when someone called them with a modem during daylight hours.
Worst for me was thick Irish accents... easiest are Russian and Jamacian speaking American-style English.
I think we only see a new poster when a grizzled old Sysop gets an itch decides to google "BBS".
There have been threads about why we might want to use SSH instead of telnet, but the general consensus seems to be most users would probably default to telnet and probably wouldn't care that their BBS activity is being monitored.
I've found the first call often needs to be over Telnet so you can create yo
call.
Vlk-451 wrote to Dr. What <=-
As someone relatively new to the boards, I'm eager to branch out from synchronet and see what other BBS's are out there in the wild west. I found off an android app a way to connect to some from taiwan that also have http mirrors for viewing the posts in plain text. Two biggest barriers to entry are I don't speak the language and I don't have a terminal equipped to telnet into these BBSs and display the language and colors correctly.
If you web over to the Telnet BBS list, you might find a BBS that is more native for you.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to HusTler on Sat Dec 26 2020 11:18 pm
The Syncronet Web Interface, are you talking about fTerm? Or whatever thein
browser terminal is.
I like that a lot, yeah. If you're talking about something else, please tell me.
Not fTerm but the the web interface developed by echicken called webv4.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to Nightfox on Sat Dec 26 2020 11:04 pm
Are other people going to really see the value in abandoning the GUI to live in a terminal enviornment world? Can you really say you aren't being monitored when telnet is unencrypted and anyone can scim the plain text of what's posted in the public boards?
Sure, maybe in some closed nets things are more secure, but I get the feeling there is some true crime story or case involving idiots getting caught pushing illegal shit via BBSs.
There have been threads about why we might want to use SSH instead of telnet, but the general consensus seems to be most users would probably default to telnet and probably wouldn't care that their BBS activity is being monitored.
Nightfox
Hello Dream!
** On Wednesday 23.12.20 - 00:22, dream.master wrote to Dr. What:
Maybe we'll see a resurgence in BBSs as more people leave
social media. (As I think about that, it might not be a good
thing. 8) )
Unless we can find a way to minic that of vBulletin or phpBB,
the idea of people jumping back into the fold of BBSes is
unlikely. I'd love to see something like Synchronet evolve to
the point of being CMS/vBulletin like and getting people off of
Facebook.
The fellow behind rocksolidbbs.com has a pretty good webby
solution too. It's styled differently than echiken's webv4.
Rocksolid's solution incoporates a message S)earch, and offers
taking a peek at viewing the header info (kludges), and presents
a pretty good threading pre-view.
Anyway, yeah, I'd love to see something evolve to replace
Facebook. We can only hope.
Too late to convince the FB crowd to steer to bbs messaging. FB
users love sharing their memes, images, and hardly ever delve
into a conversion/thread like this one.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to poindexter FORTRAN on
Sat Dec 26 2020 11:05 pm
Is there really a big influx of new posters around Christmas?
I think there was back when the kids would get a modem under the tree.
These days? I think we only see a new poster when a grizzled old Sysop gets an itch and decides to google "BBS".
Bob Roberts
I think we only see a new poster when a grizzled old Sysop gets an
itch decides to google "BBS".
That was me back in May after sitting at home for two months.
Is there really a big influx of new posters around Christmas?
And with all the non-dubbed Anime I've watched over the years, I'm not too bad with Japanese either.
telnet, but the general consensus seems to be most users would probably default to telnet and probably wouldn't care that their BBS activity is being monitored.
I think there was back when the kids would get a modem under the tree. These days? I think we only see a new poster when a grizzled old Sysop gets an itch and decides to google "BBS".
The auth part is the pain in the ass, you can't log into a matrix menu without a valid user. Telnet over TLS might be a fun hack.
On 12-26-20 23:31, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Agreed. I really wish I could get telnet in my linux terminal to output these boards properly with the correct colors and such.
On 12-27-20 11:25, Nightfox wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
There have been threads about why we might want to use SSH instead of telnet, but the general consensus seems to be most users would probably default to telnet and probably wouldn't care that their BBS activity is being monitored.
On 12-28-20 01:20, Vlk-451 wrote to Nightfox <=-
Shit, I said that myself. I heard Netrunner has SSH support but it's
not as it's as straight forward to configure. I should switch to
Syncterm, but I don't like the default blue splash screen.
Gotta figure out how to configure that.
Also, not every board supports SSH. I know InnerRealms seems to be
Telnet ia the public only. I see mlong ocassionally SSH in, but I bet that's with a SSH client to do work on the board.
Or, they'd set up a BBS on their home phone line from 11:00pm to 6:00am, and piss the hell out of their parents when someone called them with a modem during daylight hours.
Is there really a big influx of new posters around Christmas?
I don't think there is anymore. I've heard it used to be true because many kids would get a modem for Christmas, but that doesn't really happen these days.
I'm surprised that none of my callers from the dial-up days want to try out telnet BBSes. I asked my co-sysop, and he said the reason why he stopped calling was "momentum".
The late '80s and early '90s were heady times for BBSing, I can remember getting 60+ calls a day, my modem tied up pretty much non-stop. We were all younger, and the BBS was a part of our becoming adults.
I can appreciate that it'd be hard to come back to it later and have the
same fascination.
People believe they are more important then they really are or just paranoi I'm still waiting for a so called hacker to steal my info over my telnet connection. Users are always posting how insecure telnet is but can't tell m how to monitor my connection. What can they steal? A post? An email to my ex What? Err that is what could they steal that I would care about? Just sayin.
Philthy74 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
hehehe that was me. I remember that. ah. Memories.. Do you remember the game "Modem Wars"?
People believe they are more important then they really are or just paranoid. I'm still waiting for a so called hacker to steal my info over my telnet connection. Users are always posting how insecure telnet is but can't tell me how to monitor my connection. What can they steal? A post? An email to my ex? What? Err that is what could they steal that I would care about? Just sayin..
Also, not every board supports SSH. I know InnerRealms seems to be Telnet ia the public only. I see mlong ocassionally SSH in, but I bet that's with a SSH client to do work on the board.
On 27 Dec 2020, Bob Roberts said the following...
I think we only see a new poster when a grizzled old Sysop gets an itch decides to google "BBS".
*raises hand*
That was me back in May after sitting at home for two months.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Bob Roberts to Vlk-451 on Sun Dec 27 2020 12:39 pm
I think there was back when the kids would get a modem under the tree. These days? I think we only see a new poster when a grizzled old Sysop gets an itch and decides to google "BBS".
I'm surprised that none of my callers from the dial-up days want to try out telnet BBSes. I asked my co-sysop, and he said the reason why he stopped calling was "momentum".
The late '80s and early '90s were heady times for BBSing, I can remember getting 60+ calls a day, my modem tied up pretty much non-stop. We were all younger, and the BBS was a part of our becoming adults.
I can appreciate that it'd be hard to come back to it later and have the same fascination.
On 12-26-20 23:31, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Agreed. I really wish I could get telnet in my linux terminal to output these boards properly with the correct colors and such.
Why not use a BBS oriented terminal client like SyncTerm (which runs on Linux)?
On 12-28-20 01:20, Vlk-451 wrote to Nightfox <=-
Shit, I said that myself. I heard Netrunner has SSH support but it's not as it's as straight forward to configure. I should switch to Syncterm, but I don't like the default blue splash screen.
SyncTerm's SSH support is pretty straightforward.
Gotta figure out how to configure that.
Also, not every board supports SSH. I know InnerRealms seems to be Telnet ia the public only. I see mlong ocassionally SSH in, but I bet that's with a SSH client to do work on the board.
I support SSH for users. I normally login to the machine "out of band" using sshd to configure it from the command line, especially for Synchronet. I should really swap the ports for sshd and BBS, so that the BBSs use port 22, with sshd on a non standard port.
Hello poindexter!
** On Sunday 27.12.20 - 21:14, poindexter.fortran wrote to Bob Roberts:
I can appreciate that it'd be hard to come back to it later and have the same fascination.
The mystery and amazement of connecting to a remote system using
one's own computer is gone.
A couple of lines from the commentator of the documentary were
interesting. He said "if you've never called a BBS, I feel sorry
for you". Another line pointed to the cool experience of ANSI
art. Not sure if the ANSI art would be a significant draw, but
based on kids lapping up Minecraft (a very similar blocky art
experience), that demographic could be potential.
The late '80s and early '90s were heady times for BBSing, I can remember getting 60+ calls a day, my modem tied up pretty much non-stop. We were al younger, and the BBS was a part of our becoming adults.
I can appreciate that it'd be hard to come back to it later and have the s fascination.
Synchronet and Mystic both support SSH out of the box. However not all Sy onfigure them, set the ports, and/or advertise that it's available. I lik Sysops who advertise their SSH port in the "Welcome Mail" sent to the new
Free time at home can be a good thing sometimes.
"Please consider logging in via SSH on port 2222" when you log in. You can setthis to display only to telnet users with access !OV
The mystery and amazement of connecting to a remote system using
one's own computer is gone.
General users and people aren't going to get the appeal of a BBS. Minimal
Hello Nightfox!
** On Sunday 27.12.20 - 23:29, nightfox wrote to Vlk-451:
Is there really a big influx of new posters around Christmas?
I don't think there is anymore. I've heard it used to be true
because many kids would get a modem for Christmas, but that doesn't
really happen these days.
These days kids probably get smartphones and immediately sign up
to the social media offerings. Same thing, different approach.
Maybe that's what's driving younger users like me. The idea of discovering and living through that age of exploration. We're just really late to the party.
I support SSH for users. I normally login to the machine "out of band" using sshd to configure it from the command line, especially for Synchronet. I should really swap the ports for sshd and BBS, so that the BBSs use port 22, with sshd on a non standard port.
These days kids probably get smartphones and immediately sign up
to the social media offerings. Same thing, different approach.
The mystery and amazement of connecting to a remote system
using one's own computer is gone.
Yep. When I first got a PC and modem, I thought it was so cool
that you could have the computer connect to another computer
somewhere else by using a modem on the phone line. Now, we're
always connected and we take that for granted. Nobody really
thinks much about connecting to online systems over wifi or
ethernet, etc.. [...] I think wifi has its own semi-magic
coolness about it though, as it's basically radio waves.
Though IMO, for some reason it seems more magic to be able to
use a modem with a phone line to connect vs. ethernet or wifi.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to Ogg on Mon Dec 28 2020 03:46 pm
General users and people aren't going to get the appeal of a BBS. Minimal
IMO, BBSes served their use in the late 80s and 90s, and realistically, I don't think BBSes have mass appeal anymore since the internet & related things have largely replaced BBSes. For a long time now, there have been newer solutions to the problems that BBSes once solved.
Nightfox
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 28 2020 03:34 pm
Maybe that's what's driving younger users like me. The idea of discovering and living through that age of exploration. We're just really late to the party.
what you are experiencing now is in now way what bbsing was like when it was popular.
Hello Nightfox!
** On Monday 28.12.20 - 15:46, nightfox wrote to Ogg:
Though IMO, for some reason it seems more magic to be able to
use a modem with a phone line to connect vs. ethernet or wifi.
But modems are long considered obsolete. The "magic" is pretty
much gone forever. And at sub 56kbps speeds, a modem wouldn't
retain users for very long anymore.
I started with a 2400bps modem. It felt more magical when I next
went to a 28.8kbps Supramodem(tm). A software update to my
Supramodem pushed me to 33.6kbps. Then finally, a 56k USR was
pretty sweet.
I access the internet with a mobile service. Most of the time I
can get about 2.6Mbps DL. When the service throttles me down
when I exceed the monthly quota, the best I can hope to get is
100kbps. That's about twice of a decent 56kbps modem, but
today's sites are quite useless at even 100kbps.
Is there really a big influx of new posters around Christmas?
I don't think there is anymore. I've heard it used to be true because many kid
would get a modem for Christmas, but that doesn't really happen these days.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to Ogg on Mon Dec 28 2020 03:46 pm
General users and people aren't going to get the appeal of a BBS.
Minimal
IMO, BBSes served their use in the late 80s and 90s, and realistically, I don't think BBSes have mass appeal anymore since the internet & related things have largely replaced BBSes. For a long time now, there have been newer solutions to the problems that BBSes once solved.
Nightfox
Yes.. There still remains a certain mystery with wifi.
Also, not every board supports SSH. I know InnerRealms seems to be Telnet ia the public only. I see mlong ocassionally SSH in, but I bet that's with a SSH client to do work on the board.
Crystal Palace, Orbitsville
On 12-28-20 15:37, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I am running Netrunner on Windows and Linux between two machines. On my 3rd one I wanted something that ran in terminal so that I could port a similar setup to a minimal distro install like Gentoo, Void, Arch, or whatever one I end up picking.
I'm focusing on Gentoo for now because a device I'm trying to break
copy protection for runs it.
On 12-28-20 15:41, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'll visit your board sometime. I'd be intrested to see what you got
over there.
On 12-28-20 13:22, Dream Master wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Or, create a second virtual ethernet adapter and bind the BBS to that adapter ensuring you have both a management interface and a BBS
interface available.
On 12-28-20 15:34, Vlk-451 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Maybe that's what's driving younger users like me. The idea of
discovering and living through that age of exploration. We're just
really late to the party.
On 12-28-20 15:46, Vlk-451 wrote to Ogg <=-
General users and people aren't going to get the appeal of a BBS.
Minimal software enthusiasts, people who like tech and history, and
maybe a small portion of users looking for a "Dark Net" alternative are who BBSs will ultimately attract now-a-days and moving forward.
I'd like to host a couple of boards in the future. One local and a
couple remote once I learn what I'm doing.
On 12-28-20 15:34, Vlk-451 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Maybe that's what's driving younger users like me. The idea of discovering and living through that age of exploration. We're just really late to the party.
It would be good to hear more perspectives from younger users, to see what t draw is. Be interesting (and probably useful) to know. It is nice to know some younger people are finding and enjoying BBSing. :)
... 17. Never lie to your doctor.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Nightfox to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 2020 12:51 pm
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to Ogg on Mon Dec 28 2020 03:46 pm
General users and people aren't going to get the appeal of a BBS.
Minimal
IMO, BBSes served their use in the late 80s and 90s, and realistically, I don't think BBSes have mass appeal anymore since the internet & related things have largely replaced BBSes. For a long time now, there have been newer solutions to the problems that BBSes once solved.
Nightfox
well i think that also people changed how they socialize with eachother.
in my 90s bbses we would talk online and then have meetups. meetups as friends, not like one on one okcupid or seekingarrangement shit.
Also, not every board supports SSH. I know InnerRealms seems to be Telnet ia the public only. I see mlong ocassionally SSH in, but I bet that's with a SSH client to do work on the board.
þ Crystal Palace, Orbitsville þ
I have ssh and rlogin publically available. Send me a msg if you have trouble connecting
On 12-28-20 15:37, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I am running Netrunner on Windows and Linux between two machines. On my 3rd one I wanted something that ran in terminal so that I could port a similar setup to a minimal distro install like Gentoo, Void, Arch, or whatever one I end up picking.
I'm focusing on Gentoo for now because a device I'm trying to break copy protection for runs it.
Ahh, OK, now I see where you're coming from. :)
On 12-28-20 15:41, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'll visit your board sometime. I'd be intrested to see what you got over there.
It's not much to look at (I hate working with UIs), but I try and keep a selection of message networks online. Keep meaning to setup the game servers, but haven't got around to it yet.
On 12-28-20 15:34, Vlk-451 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Maybe that's what's driving younger users like me. The idea of discovering and living through that age of exploration. We're just really late to the party.
It would be good to hear more perspectives from younger users, to see what the draw is. Be interesting (and probably useful) to know. It is nice to know some younger people are finding and enjoying BBSing. :)
Is there really a big influx of new posters around Christmas?
I don't think there is anymore. I've heard it used to be true because
many kid would get a modem for Christmas, but that doesn't really
happen these days.
They may get a new computer?
On 12-28-20 15:46, Vlk-451 wrote to Ogg <=-
I'd like to host a couple of boards in the future. One local and a couple remote once I learn what I'm doing.
You'll have fun and learn a lot when you do, but even being a user can be a lot of fun. :)
Nightfox
well i think that also people changed how they socialize with
eachother. in my 90s bbses we would talk online and then have meetups. >meetups as friends, not like one on one okcupid or seekingarrangement
shit.
The GUI was a mistake.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to MRO on Tue Dec 29 2020 03:06 pm
Nightfox
well i think that also people changed how they socialize with
eachother. in my 90s bbses we would talk online and then have meetups. >meetups as friends, not like one on one okcupid or seekingarrangement >shit.
The GUI was a mistake.
that's stupid and close minded.
Vk3jed wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
As an "older" (i.e. someone who was around when BBSs were the thing in hobbyist data comms) user/sysop, I've always loved the efficiency of
BBSs. Even on the slow hardware of the day, they ran well and offered
a responsive user experience. My first BBS bachine was a 4.77 MHz XT clone with a 10MB HDD. For users, the experience was reasonable,
though it did take ages (30-60 minutes) to toss a mail packet that
today would take seconds on my Banana Pi
I'd really like to find a way to connect a SBC to my car so I can network with it.
more magic to be able to use a modem with a phone line to connect vs. ethernet or wifi. I think wifi has its own semi-magic coolness about it though, as it's basically radio waves.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to Vk3jed on Tue Dec 29 2020 03:09 pm
I'd really like to find a way to connect a SBC to my car so I can network with it.
A Rapsberry Pi or similar, a 4G hotspot with a static IP, and you'd be on your way.
The first time I used a laptop with Wifi (it was one of those white plastic Macbooks) my mind was blown. How is it possible to use the internet thru the air?!? I went out into the front yard with it just because I could.
Now everyone takes wifi for granted and goes ballistic if it's down for 20 seconds.
Fat fingered that, it's actually !OS
They may get a new computer?Maybe.. But it seems even traditional computers are less common these days than they used to be. It seems like many young people like using mobile devices.
They may get a new computer?
Maybe.. But it seems even traditional computers are less commonExactly, most of the people I know now don't even OWN a real computer (desktop OR laptop) they all interact with either a phone or a tablet. <sad face, cry> -+-
these days than they used to be. It seems like many young people
like using mobile devices.
I'm serious. Don't talk to me unless you can replicate your posts in braille.
I wana be able to FEEL the shit posts.
They may get a new computer?
Maybe.. But it seems even traditional computers are less common these days tha
they used to be. It seems like many young people like using mobile devices.
well i think that also people changed how they socialize with eachother. in my 90s bbses we would talk online and then have meetups. meetups as friends, not like one on one okcupid or seekingarrangement shit.
The GUI was a mistake.
Fat fingered that, it's actually !OS
What is !OS ?
Maybe.. But it seems even traditional computers are less common
these days than they used to be. It seems like many young people
like using mobile devices.
Exactly, most of the people I know now don't even OWN a real computer (desktop OR laptop) they all interact with either a phone or a tablet. <sad face, cry> -+-
If we could finally get some good mobile apps that support full ANSI and maybe even RIP, THEN we might see a greater resurgence in BBS usage.
Maybe.. But it seems even traditional computers are less common these
days tha they used to be. It seems like many young people like using
mobile devices.
Indeed, until they really need a traditional computer (or something close to it) for something. Probably more rare than I realize. :)
I'm just excited to have my own mail server.
Now everyone takes wifi for granted and goes ballistic if it's down for 20 seconds.
I was thinking about going the extra mile and adding direct interface control to the can bus via the OBD-II port. Apparently I need an arduino board because it has a specific cn-bus shield attachemnt that will be able to sniff the packets.
Exactly, most of the people I know now don't even OWN a real computer (desktop OR laptop) they all interact with either a phone or a tablet. <sad face, cry> -+-
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to MRO on Tue Dec 29 2020 07:36 pm
I'm serious. Don't talk to me unless you can replicate your posts in braille.
I wana be able to FEEL the shit posts.
if you give me some braille punches and a hammer i can replicate it on your forehead
well i think that also people changed how they socialize with eachother. in my 90s bbses we would talk online and then have meetups. meetups as friends, not like one on one okcupid or seekingarrangement shit.
The GUI was a mistake.
Looking back, I agree. I enjoyed the internet more when it was mostly text based. Seems like the information out there was a lot better, too, and no click-bait.
* SLMR 2.1a * Direct from the Ministry of Silly Walks
well i think that also people changed how they socialize with
eachother. in my 90s bbses we would talk online and then have
meetups. meetups as friends, not like one on one okcupid or
seekingarrangement shit.
The GUI was a mistake.
Looking back, I agree. I enjoyed the internet more when it was mostly text based. Seems like the information out there was a lot better, too, and no click-bait.
On 12-29-20 06:05, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't consider myself young, but seeing lots of people here are actually fossiles, I probably qualify as a youngster :-P
The draw for me is:
* Text based interface means no pop-ups, no javascript, no application downloading clientside code into my terminal.
* The quality of the population in message areas is higher on average, since you need to know what telnet is in order to use BBS :-)
* SJW activity is low and contained - this is important for me because
I have seen SJW obliterate services that used to be quite ok.
On 12-29-20 15:09, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'd really like to find a way to connect a SBC to my car so I can
network with it.
On 12-29-20 15:13, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'll let you know if I find any killer apps on other BBSs that I think
you should add.
On 12-29-20 15:15, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If that documentary guy is reading, I'm open and avalible to interview, despite the fact that I don't think I'd have very much to add.
On 12-29-20 15:26, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm just excited to have my own mail server.
On 12-29-20 07:30, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I remember well! With Telegard back then, I needed to toss mail
packets to .msg, then into the message bases, and Fido took about the
same time (when it didn't crash from running out of disk space!)
I remember being amazed at being able to make files and messages
accessible on a system that normally would only be able to be used by
one person using one app at a time. When I started seeing people from
Europe calling before dawn, it really struck me that the BBS was
something incredible.
On 12-29-20 12:58, Bob Roberts wrote to Nightfox <=-
The first time I used a laptop with Wifi (it was one of those white plastic Macbooks) my mind was blown. How is it possible to use the internet thru the air?!? I went out into the front yard with it just because I could.
Now everyone takes wifi for granted and goes ballistic if it's down for
20 seconds.
On 12-29-20 14:58, Lupine Furmen wrote to Nightfox <=-
If we could finally get some good mobile apps that support full ANSI
and maybe even RIP, THEN we might see a greater resurgence in BBS
usage. -+-
On 12-29-20 19:18, Nightfox wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-
I know some people who have a laptop. It still seems weird to me when
I see a house without at least a laptop. And here I am with 2 desktop
PCs at home (one is my main PC, and the other runs my BBS and home
media server). I figured there would probably be many people running a home media server with all their music ripped on it (or purchased downloadable music stored on it), but it seems many people these days stream music online.
On 12-29-20 19:21, Nightfox wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Yeah, I find it hard to do without a traditional computer. I like a
real keyboard, mouse, and a good-sized screen - But I do things like software development, photo and video editing, and PC gaming, and I probably will continue to do those things for a long time.
On 12-29-20 20:01, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
@VIA: VERT/REALITY
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to Vk3jed on Tue Dec 29 2020 03:26 pm
I'm just excited to have my own mail server.
Part of the allure of Synchronet for me was being able to take a
cast-off Celeron 533 system that looked like a plastic toaster, and
host IMAP/SMTP mail, a news server and a web server out of my garage on what had been tossed in a dumpster.
I remember back when I had Bell DSL which was supposed to be
"up to 5Mbps" but I only ever saw 1.5-2. It was connected
directly to my family's home computer. Seeing as I worked at a
computer shop, I came home with this fancy new D-Link WiFi
router and a PCMCIA wifi card for my compaq laptop. It was
magical for my family to not have to "dial in" using PPPoE on
the modem anymore, the internet was now "always on".
Back then it was 802.11b which was "up to" 11Mbps. Wireless B
was plenty fast back then but I chuckle to thing that just
recently I did a speedtest on my iPhone connected to LTE and
got almost 500Mbps down.
How far we've come from 2400 baud modems or even 56k modems...
Yeah, I ended up going down the Spotify route, because the maintenance of a media server would be the problematic aspect - getting the content on it with the right metadata for starters, along with organising it. Not good for my ADHD LOL.
Yeah I can't live without my PCs. I find the interface to be a lot more functional, and I can multitask better, with multiple applications open (and visible) at the same time.
* SJW activity is low and contained - this is important for me because I have seen SJW obliterate services that used to be quite ok.
SJW?
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It was impressive, though for a technical feat of the day, hams went several better, with KA9Q NOS. KA9Q was pretty much a complete, and internally multitasking application that ran on top of DOS. Even on a lowly XT, it could efficiently manage multiple telnet, email, FTP and other sessions, inbound and outbound.
Vk3jed wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
I run on a Pi, so DOS based doors are too much hassle. Game servers
are definitely an option.
Vk3jed wrote to Bob Roberts <=-
Yeah wifi was cool when it first came out. I was using it in the
office, before anyone else, because I procured a couple of 802.11b
cards to experiment with. :)
Now everyone takes wifi for granted and goes ballistic if it's down for
20 seconds.
Vk3jed wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-
I'd be happy with a mobile QWK reader. Tried running Bluewave under MagicDOSBox on Android. It did work, but was clunky with the on screen keyboard. With a Bluetooth keyboard, it might have been OK.
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yeah, I ended up going down the Spotify route, because the maintenance
of a media server would be the problematic aspect - getting the content
on it with the right metadata for starters, along with organising it.
Not good for my ADHD LOL.
We sure have. But in times when I am being throttled down or
blocked from internet usage, a dialup solution sounds sweeter. I
still have a couple of land lines that could work with that.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 29 2020 09:39 pm
I was thinking about going the extra mile and adding direct interface control to the can bus via the OBD-II port. Apparently I need an arduino board because it has a specific cn-bus shield attachemnt that will be able to sniff the packets.
There are Bluetooth OBD-II dongles that talk to Android, it seems like Android is the easy path again.
Yeah, I find it hard to do without a traditional computer. I like a real keybo
rd, mouse, and a good-sized screen - But I do things like software development,
photo and video editing, and PC gaming, and I probably will continue to do thos
things for a long time.
there wasnt shit to do back then. now you can do anything.
you can download a tv show in 3 mins
* SJW activity is low and contained - this is important for me because
I have seen SJW obliterate services that used to be quite ok.
SJW?
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox on Tue Dec 29 2020 02:56 pm
Exactly, most of the people I know now don't even OWN a real computer (desktop OR laptop) they all interact with either a phone or a tablet. <sad face, cry> -+-
I don't get it. My son has a nice core2 duo laptop with a 15" 1080P screen, but if I ask him to research something on the web, he pulls out his crappy old Android phone with the cracked screen.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (
By: Dumas Walker to VLK-451 on Tue Dec 29 2020 04:14 pm
well i think that also people changed how they socialize with
eachother. in my 90s bbses we would talk online and then have
meetups. meetups as friends, not like one on one okcupid or
seekingarrangement shit.
The GUI was a mistake.
Looking back, I agree. I enjoyed the internet more when it was mostly text based. Seems like the information out there was a lot better, too, and no click-bait.
there wasnt shit to do back then. now you can do anything.
you can download a tv show in 3 mins
On 12-29-20 15:09, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'd really like to find a way to connect a SBC to my car so I can network with it.
Catch the CAN bus? :)
On 12-29-20 15:13, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'll let you know if I find any killer apps on other BBSs that I think you should add.
I run on a Pi, so DOS based doors are too much hassle. Game servers are definitely an option.
The Syncronet Web Interface, are you talking about fTerm? Or whatever the in browser terminal is.
I like that a lot, yeah. If you're talking about something else, please tell me.
use a modem with a phone line to connect vs. ethernet or wifi.
But modems are long considered obsolete. The "magic" is pretty
much gone forever. And at sub 56kbps speeds, a modem wouldn't
retain users for very long anymore.
I started with a 2400bps modem. It felt more magical when I next
went to a 28.8kbps Supramodem(tm). A software update to my
Supramodem pushed me to 33.6kbps. Then finally, a 56k USR was
pretty sweet.
I access the internet with a mobile service. Most of the time I
can get about 2.6Mbps DL. When the service throttles me down
when I exceed the monthly quota, the best I can hope to get is
100kbps. That's about twice of a decent 56kbps modem, but
today's sites are quite useless at even 100kbps.
There are some conventions and other events where I get speeds like 100kbps.
þ Crystal Palace, Orbitsville þ
what you are experiencing now is in now way what bbsing was like when it was
I know some people who have a laptop. It still seems weird to me when I see a house without at least a laptop. And here I am with 2 desktop PCs at home (one is my main PC, and the other runs my BBS and home media server). I figured there would probably be many people running a home media server with all their music ripped on it (or purchased downloadable music stored on it), but it seems many people these days stream music online.
If we could finally get some good mobile apps that support full ANSI
and maybe even RIP, THEN we might see a greater resurgence in BBS
usage.
A long time ago, I used to have an iPod Touch, and there was a BBS-compatible telnet/SSH app called iSSH that rendered ANSI really well. Apparently it has since been pulled from the iOS app store though. More recently, I've seen an fTelnet app for Android that renders ANSI decently. But I think the problem is the small screen on a smartphone.. A tablet might work better.
Well, let's say that I once put a profile picture in a comercial service of a Mexican Mariachi, very stereotypical, and they kicked me out for cultural appropiation and whatnot.
Political correctness is out of control out there, but in here we are safe from extremists for now.
And, running a hot spot on Caltrain from San Francisco to Redwood City was pretty mind-mangling. I
might have been lucky to get 1 mb/sec, but I was SSHed in to a Solaris box at the time.
Tom Jennings (*that* Tom Jennings, not the Jeopardy guy)
The closest I got to providing internet to my networked systems
was a wifi-supported router (DI-713P) that supported a modem on
the COM port (USR 56K). As soon as it detected access to an
well i think that also people changed how they socialize with
eachother. in my 90s bbses we would talk online and then have meetups. >meetups as friends, not like one on one okcupid or seekingarrangement >shit.
The GUI was a mistake.
that's stupid and close minded.
I remember being amazed at being able to make files and messages
accessible on a system that normally would only be able to be used by
one person using one app at a time. When I started seeing people from
Europe calling before dawn, it really struck me that the BBS was
something incredible.
Exactly, most of the people I know now don't even OWN a real computer (desktop OR laptop) they all interact with either a phone or a tablet. <sad face, cry> -+-
there wasnt shit to do back then. now you can do anything.
you can download a tv show in 3 mins
Depends on what you use it for. If you use it for a lot of that then, yeah, you'd be missing out. I would be missing youtube, but that is about it. The rest is all stuff I can still do via a text interface, if there was one.
* SLMR 2.1a * DalekDOS error: (I)Obey (V)ision impaired (E)xterminate
^^^ there is no such thing as a nice laptop with those specs.I don't get it. My son has a nice core2 duo laptop with a 15" 1080P
Going for the laptop would require thinking about where it is, pulling it out, loging in, opening a web browser, making the search, and filtering the results.
Looking back, I agree. I enjoyed the internet more when it was
mostly text based. Seems like the information out there was a lot
better, too, and no click-bait.
there wasnt shit to do back then. now you can do anything.
you can download a tv show in 3 mins
You can still run p2p file share software and get modern download speeds in minimal software. My point is that we can have the best of both worlds today.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: MRO to Vlk-451 on Mon Dec 28 2020 15:28:57
what you are experiencing now is in now way what bbsing was like when
it was
That's very true. As I think back it seemed to me that back then we didn`t spend much time reminicing (sp?) about the past. Computer geeks like me were excited about the technology and the future.
At some point, probably around 2010ish I thought to myself... this is
the future, we`re here now, and I thought it would be a lot better than this. If I had known that Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc would be our avenues for online socializing I wouldn't have been so exicited about the future.
I spent way too many nights at Shakey's Pizza in Huntington Beach and Orange, California drinking beer (yes, as a minor), playing video games, and hanging out with my friends that I made on BBSes. I'll happily admit
I'm living that - I have all of my music on my hard drive, most of it
on my phone, and a subset of that on a USB stick I play in my car.
Editing metadata requires doing it three times. Oh, and the car only
supports JPG album covers, apparently, not PNG.
Yeah, my house has 4 desktops in use as well as 3 laptops, and assorted mobile devices.
On 12-30-20 08:16, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
You don't necessarily need a media server for music. I have a media server, but I also have my whole music library on my smartphone and
listen to my music on my phone (with headphones) much of the time. I
also have a USB flash drive for my car with my music on it.
I use my media server mainly for movies & TV shows, but I have my music
on there as well. Sometimes I'll play my music from my server using my Amazon Echo.
On 12-30-20 08:17, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I agree. On a mobile device, with an application typically using the whole screen, sometimes it seems like a step backwards. Also, as
operating systems in general (for both desktop and mobile devices) have become more flat and monotone looking, in general it seems like they'e taken a step backwards in appearance too..
On 12-30-20 10:04, Arelor wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vk3jed to Arelor on Wed Dec 30 2020 08:13 pm
* SJW activity is low and contained - this is important for me because I have seen SJW obliterate services that used to be quite ok.
SJW?
Well, let's say that I once put a profile picture in a comercial
service of a Mexican Mariachi, very stereotypical, and they kicked me
out for cultural appropiation and whatnot.
Political correctness is out of control out there, but in here we are
safe from extremists for now.
On 12-30-20 06:09, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Tom Jennings (*that* Tom Jennings, not the Jeopardy guy) ran an ISP
called The Little Garden on boxes running KA9Q. Their topology was
mostly wireless across San Francisco.
On 12-30-20 06:43, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Vk3jed wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
I run on a Pi, so DOS based doors are too much hassle. Game servers
are definitely an option.
My only remaining DOS door is Global War, I'm keeping it around for
sentimental purposes. Given the decrease in local users, the game
servers just make more sense these days.
On 12-30-20 06:50, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My brother-in-law was more bleeding-edge than I am (or else he had
more money), so when he upgraded his network he gave me his Lucent
Orinoco AP and a couple of PCMCIA cards.
It was pretty kooky - ISA cards with PCMCIA slots, cards with
different levels of WEP encryption *in hardware*, a dial-up backup,
no LAN ethernet ports, and different firmware from different vendors
to make it a NAT router or access point with different branded
firmware. Oh, and it ran Apple Airport firmware from the day, too.
And, an open source admin tool that worked on all of the firmware
versions!
It was branded Proxim, Lucent, Agere or Avaya, depending on who'd
bought who when it was manufactured.
Things are so much easier nowadays.
On 12-30-20 06:51, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I have a 7-inch netbook running an old Android version that I've
wanted to set up as a QWKbook, but it's too old for any of the new
versions of DOSbox.
On 12-30-20 06:55, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
Yeah, I ended up going down the Spotify route, because the maintenance
of a media server would be the problematic aspect - getting the content
on it with the right metadata for starters, along with organising it.
Not good for my ADHD LOL.
I'm living that - I have all of my music on my hard drive, most of it
on my phone, and a subset of that on a USB stick I play in my car.
Editing metadata requires doing it three times. Oh, and the car only
supports JPG album covers, apparently, not PNG.
My phone's media player can download covers automatically now.
I should figure out how to do rsync or synctoy or something and keep
them all in sync automatically. If my car could support bigger media,
It'd be easy.
On 12-30-20 14:21, Dumas Walker wrote to VK3JED <=-
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* SJW activity is low and contained - this is important for me because I have seen SJW obliterate services that used to be quite ok.
SJW?
Social Justice Warrior(s)
On 12-30-20 20:15, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Catch the CAN bus? :)
Trying. Can't do any R&D if I can't fund it.
On 12-30-20 20:16, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There isn't an easy way to route it through DOSbox or a VM?
On 12-30-20 14:10, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Wed Dec 30 2020 06:09 am
Tom Jennings (*that* Tom Jennings, not the Jeopardy guy)
Actually, I think the Jeopardy guy was Ken Jennings.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Ogg to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 07:48 am
These days kids probably get smartphones and immediately sign up
to the social media offerings. Same thing, different approach.
If I told my children to logon to a BBS they'd laugh at me. Now days, my children hop onto Facebook, Tiktok, and Instagram. They don't see the beauty and simplicity of BBSes.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Arelor to Vk3jed on Wed Dec 30 2020 10:04:36
Well, let's say that I once put a profile picture in a comercial service of a Mexican Mariachi, very stereotypical, and they kicked m out for cultural appropiation and whatnot.
Political correctness is out of control out there, but in here we ar safe from extremists for now.
You must not be seeing the garbage that Dr What has been posting then. Th guy is SOOO far out of touch with reality I don't think he's even still o the planet. :)
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Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Dec 30 2020 08:13 pm
^^^ there is no such thing as a nice laptop with those specs.I don't get it. My son has a nice core2 duo laptop with a 15" 1080P
Going for the laptop would require thinking about where it is, pulling it out, loging in, opening a web browser, making the search, and filtering the results.
i have a laptop that is on my rack here by my desk and i never us it. if i were to open it up windows would want to do an update or some shit and it's a bit slow because it's a 200 dollar walmart laptop.
my phone is faster.
Re: Re: New BBS documentary (
By: Vlk-451 to MRO on Wed Dec 30 2020 08:14 pm
Looking back, I agree. I enjoyed the internet more when it was
mostly text based. Seems like the information out there was a lot DW>> better, too, and no click-bait.
there wasnt shit to do back then. now you can do anything.
you can download a tv show in 3 mins
You can still run p2p file share software and get modern download speeds in minimal software. My point is that we can have the best of both worlds today.
but we dont need the best of both worlds when the other world has better stuff.
On 12-30-20 20:15, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Catch the CAN bus? :)
Trying. Can't do any R&D if I can't fund it.
Maybe you just need the right timetable. :P
But yeah, getting the right documentation can be the hard part.
On 12-30-20 20:16, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There isn't an easy way to route it through DOSbox or a VM?
DOSBox has many limitations, and although there is a known way to use Qemu, apparently it's slow as (and I never managed to get the Qemu environment working in anyu case)...
..On a mobile device, with an application typically using the
whole screen, sometimes it seems like a step backwards.
Also, as operating systems in general (for both desktop and mobile
devices) have become more flat and monotone looking, in general it
seems like they'e taken a step backwards in appearance too..
You don't necessarily need a media server for music. I have a media
server, but I also have my whole music library on my smartphone and
listen to my music on my phone (with headphones) much of the time.
I also have a USB flash drive for my car with my music on it.
I used to use music on the phone, but have recently switched to Spotify.
Yeah I'm not convinced a media server is for me.
Even my Primary PC runs Winshit 7. It's what was out at the
time when I built it, no need to make the hardware punch above
its weight to get worse performance out of all my software on
an OS I'm not familiar with that that works against letting the
user customize it.
i think people are romanticizing the past. there wasnt much to do on the www wh
n it first came out. and there wasnt as much to do 'in a text interface'.
the internet and what we all use it for has exploded with possibilities.
i can order a fucking padlock and get it delivered to me next day in a snow sto
m with free shipping. thanks to amazon i dont have to wait 6-8 weeks and pay >or shipping and handling.
Tom Jennings (*that* Tom Jennings, not the Jeopardy guy)
Actually, I think the Jeopardy guy was Ken Jennings.
..On a mobile device, with an application typically using the
whole screen, sometimes it seems like a step backwards.
There really isn't any other way to do things on a tablet/phone. Each app has to take up the whole screen in order to be useable. Personally, I like the zooming-out/zooming-in behaviour of apps on my Blackberry and my iPods. It's little bit of entertainment.
Also, as operating systems in general (for both desktop and mobile
devices) have become more flat and monotone looking, in general it
seems like they'e taken a step backwards in appearance too..
Wasn't it Win8 that introduced the flat look? I call it the blocky look. I hate it. It *does* feel like going backwards in UI design and not capitalizing on the wonderul 3D-looks that menus developed over the years since Win3.1 and OS/2.
My 16 year old (middle) daughter logs-in to play Minesweeper and sometimes uses the web interface for checking her mail. My whole family uses the mail server without realizing its on a BBS.
i have a laptop that is on my rack here by my desk and i never us it.
if i were to open it up windows would want to do an update or some
shit and it's a bit slow because it's a 200 dollar walmart laptop.
my phone is faster.
It would work a lot faster if you put Linux on it. I'm posting from a
Hello Vlk-451!
** On Thursday 31.12.20 - 14:59, vlk-451 wrote to MRO:
Even my Primary PC runs Winshit 7. It's what was out at the
time when I built it, no need to make the hardware punch above
its weight to get worse performance out of all my software on
an OS I'm not familiar with that that works against letting the
user customize it.
My primary desktop pc is win7 (64bit) too. It just works. I also have a legacy eMachines T6528 that has a CPU that supports 64bit addressing (Manjaro 64-bit performed really well), but I decided to just put win7 32-bit on it since the pc hardware can only support 3GB ram max anyway. Otherwise, it is a fine performer too.
Meanwhile, I have been hounded by MS to install recent Rollups. I heard that many people developed problems after that. So, I'm going to avoid any more shit than I can bear.
Dr. What is not campaigning for having people removed from the network because of disagreements, which is what really bothers me.
There are lots of people I disagree in the nets, but on the Internet, people gets removed because of political pressure.
i already put linux on it and i wasnt impressed. plus linux sucks compared to windows when you're using a gui.
On 12-31-20 15:06, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I see a bunch of website on the clear net that wana scam me for some
cash in order to download technical documents or electrical wire charts for my car.
If you ever get a hold of anything like that for a 98 Cadillac Deville, let me know.
On 12-31-20 15:10, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There isn't an easy way to route it through DOSbox or a VM?
DOSBox has many limitations, and although there is a known way to use Qemu, apparently it's slow as (and I never managed to get the Qemu environment working in anyu case)...
Are there any cheap SBCs that are compadible?
On 12-31-20 08:32, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I used to use music on the phone, but have recently switched to Spotify.
Why is that? With storage as cheap as it is, it's fairly easy to have enough storage on a phone for a good-sized music library. I stream
music online sometimes, but usually when I don't have a song in my library. Also, I don't always have a good connection to stream..
Yeah I'm not convinced a media server is for me.
Why's that? I've found it fairly handy to put movies & such on my
media server when I don't want to get out a disc to play.
MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
i think people are romanticizing the past.
there wasnt much to do on
the www when it first came out. and there wasnt as much to do 'in a
text interface'.
Lupine Furmen wrote to Arelor <=-
You must not be seeing the garbage that Dr What has been posting then. This guy is SOOO far out of touch with reality I don't think he's even still on the planet. :)
What's a GUI? :)
there wasnt much to do on
the www when it first came out. and there wasnt as much to do 'in a
text interface'.
I remember running KA9Q on my MS-DOS machine and connecting to Gopher sites. But mainly I used it to raid
SIMTEL20 (the real place at that time) for free software.
But, ya, there wasn't the great participation that we see today.
On 12-30-20 20:16, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There isn't an easy way to route it through DOSbox or a VM?
DOSBox has many limitations, and although there is a known way to use Qemu,
apparently it's slow as (and I never managed to get the Qemu environment working in anyu case)...
Are there any cheap SBCs that are compadible?
i already put linux on it and i wasnt impressed. plus linux sucks compared to ndows when you're using a gui.
What's a GUI? :)
What's a GUI? :)
Graphical User Interface.
i already put linux on it and i wasnt impressed. plus linux sucks
compared to ndows when you're using a gui.
I think the difference is Windows only has one gui. Linux has a bunch. If you don't find the one that suits what you want, you won't ever like it.
..I also have a legacy eMachines T6528 that has a CPU that
supports 64bit addressing (Manjaro 64-bit performed really
well), but I decided to just put win7 32-bit on it since the
pc hardware can only support 3GB ram max anyway. Otherwise,
it is a fine performer too.
Meanwhile, I have been hounded by MS to install recent
Rollups. I heard that many people developed problems after
that. So, I'm going to avoid any more shit than I can bear.
I heard the latest release of Manjaro broke some stuff. I
wouldn't know, I don't run it, but it looks like an intresting
platform.
Those eMachines were total junk when they were new from what I
remember. That's how I felt about them for a long while. Now,
I see them now and I get giddy over the novelty.
I kept getting memory leak errors in windows 7 with 8gb of
ram. I got quad channel 16gb of Ram that delivered just today.
Hopefully I will be seeing that less.
A big culprit seems to be something called unpacker.exe that
is always running in the background when I play any game..
..And when I manage to kill it manually it doesn't affect the
games performance.
Maybe it's the chinese using my PC as a BotNet.
Vk3jed wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
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On 12-28-20 15:37, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I am running Netrunner on Windows and Linux between two machines. On my 3rd one I wanted something that ran in terminal so that I could port a similar setup to a minimal distro install like Gentoo, Void, Arch, or whatever one I end up picking.
I'm focusing on Gentoo for now because a device I'm trying to break
copy protection for runs it.
Ahh, OK, now I see where you're coming from. :)
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Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox
on Tue Dec 29 2020 02:56 pm
Maybe.. But it seems even traditional computers are less common
these days than they used to be. It seems like many young people
like using mobile devices.
Exactly, most of the people I know now don't even OWN a real computer (desktop OR laptop) they all interact with either a phone or a tablet. <sad face, cry> -+-
I know some people who have a laptop. It still seems weird to me when
I see a house without at least a laptop. And here I am with 2 desktop
PCs at home (one is my main PC, and the other runs my BBS and home
media server). I figured there would probably be many people running a home media server with all their music ripped on it (or purchased downloadable music stored on it), but it seems many people these days stream music online.
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Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Lupine Furmen to Nightfox
on Tue Dec 29 2020 02:56 pm
Exactly, most of the people I know now don't even OWN a real computer (desktop OR laptop) they all interact with either a phone or a tablet.
face, cry> -+-
I don't get it. My son has a nice core2 duo laptop with a 15" 1080P screen, but if I ask him to research something on the web, he pulls out his crappy old Android phone with the cracked screen.
i already put linux on it and i wasnt impressed. plus linux sucks
compared to ndows when you're using a gui.
I think the difference is Windows only has one gui. Linux has a bunch. If you don't find the one that suits what you want, you won't ever like it.
What's a GUI? :)
Graphical User Interface.
I'm a *nix guy, I don't believe in GUIs. :)
yeah but if you're into gaming you are limited. windows is still more polished than linux and it's just not appearance wise. i'd rather use linux for a server, and even then it sometimes falls short.
*nix guys don't believe in GUIs? How would you do photo editing (for example) in Linux then? :P
I'd tend to disagree. Since Windows 8, Windows has looked fairly flat, and IMO its GUI is a bit fugly. I wouldn't call Windows "polished" appearance-wise.
*nix guys don't believe in GUIs? How would you do photo editing (for example) in Linux then? :P
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Fri Jan 01 2021 03:53 pm
yeah but if you're into gaming you are limited. windows is still
more polished than linux and it's just not appearance wise. i'd
rather use linux for a server, and even then it sometimes falls
short.
I'd tend to disagree. Since Windows 8, Windows has looked fairly flat, and IMO its GUI is a bit fugly. I wouldn't call Windows "polished" appearance-wise. It feels like a step backwards to me. Sometimes you can't tell if something is a button or just a rectangle with a different color.
As Microsoft continues to evolve their operating system, they keep forgetting to improve the overall dynamics of the interface. The more things they change, the more things ultimately stay the same.
(I'll take Windows 7 over Windows 10 any day.)
On 01-01-21 17:57, Bbsing.Bbs wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I can't wait to see the series!
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Dream Master to Arelor on Fri Jan 01 2021 02:49 pm
What's a GUI? :)
Graphical User Interface.
I'm a *nix guy, I don't believe in GUIs. :)
*nix guys don't believe in GUIs? How would you do photo editing (for exampl in Linux then? :P
Nightfox
What's a GUI? :)
Graphical User Interface.
I'm a *nix guy, I don't believe in GUIs. :)
*nix guys don't believe in GUIs? How would you do photo editing (for example) in Linux then? :P
You can do video editing with ffmpeg from the command line, including adding video ffects, placing logos, playing with transparencies and whatnot.
Also I think there are video players that can render the resulting video on a tty without an X server running.
I mean, you are not doing serious edting from a terminal emulator, but the power of CLI tools is frigging amazing.
I'm a *nix guy, I don't believe in GUIs. :)
*nix guys don't believe in GUIs? How would you do photo editing (for
example) in Linux then? :P
Change "How" to "Why".
yeah but if you're into gaming you are limited. windows is still
more polished than linux and it's just not appearance wise. i'd
I'd tend to disagree. Since Windows 8, Windows has looked fairly
flat, and IMO its GUI is a bit fugly. I wouldn't call Windows
"polished" appearance-wise. It feels like a step backwards to me.
Sometimes you can't tell if something is a button or just a
rectangle with a different color.
i'm not talking about how it looks. i dont care how shit looks.
i mean how it works and what you can do with it and the ease of use.
i mean the guts of the very operating system.
yeah but if you're into gaming you are limited. windows is still more polished
I think the choices in Linux can be a strength. There are multiple GUIs for L
ux, or you can use no GUI at all if you want. And some of the GUIs in Linux a
skinnable and configurable (at least, they used to be), so there's a lot of f
xibility in making them look how you want. However, with my current favorite nux GUI (Cinnamon), I haven't seen many options for skinning.. I remember Gno
2 had some fairly good options for skinning and making the GUI look how you w
t.
Change "How" to "Why".
Why not? Linux seems fairly good as a general purpose OS, and I don't really get the thinking of "why would you want to do that with Linux?" That kind of thing contributes to Linux not becoming more popular..
Well you said "it's not just apperance wise".
i mean how it works and what you can do with it and the ease of use.
i mean the guts of the very operating system.
How do you know? Have you seen the source code to Windows?
Vlk-451 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It's like a smoker. You know you have a lighter on you. It's a good lighter, probably a zippo or some stupid special shit you have. Only
thing is you have a lot of pockets, and your friends budget .50 cent lighter is on the table.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
On 12-30-20 06:51, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I have a 7-inch netbook running an old Android version that I've
wanted to set up as a QWKbook, but it's too old for any of the new
versions of DOSbox.
My netbooks can run desktop OSs. Lubuntu works well. :)
Moondog wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
Basic cell service is cheaper than keeping a land line with long
distace service. A Straight Talk home phone connect box is $15USD a month.
Dream Master wrote to MRO <=-
I spent way too many nights at Shakey's Pizza in Huntington Beach and Orange, California drinking beer (yes, as a minor), playing video
games, and hanging out with my friends that I made on BBSes.
MRO wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
i have a laptop that is on my rack here by my desk and i never us it.
if i were to open it up windows would want to do an update or some shit and it's a bit slow because it's a 200 dollar walmart laptop.
Vk3jed wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
On 12-30-20 06:09, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Tom Jennings (*that* Tom Jennings, not the Jeopardy guy) ran an ISP
called The Little Garden on boxes running KA9Q. Their topology was
mostly wireless across San Francisco.
Interesting, I didn't know that.
Bbsing.Bbs wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I don't get it. My son has a nice core2 duo laptop with a 15" 1080P screen, but if I ask him to research something on the web, he pulls out his crappy old Android phone with the cracked screen.
I find how youngers search, usually doesn't produce that useable info.
I think this may be do to the interface they use to search. Keep search terms as simple as possible do to the interface. google is directing
the user with predictive search terms that pop up during the text input
to the search field.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
Point is, with Mint, the web browser, terminal, and most of my other softerware feels "Like new" simply because I'm not running the latest bloated release
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Why is that? With storage as cheap as it is, it's fairly easy to have enough storage on a phone for a good-sized music library. I stream
music online sometimes, but usually when I don't have a song in my library. Also, I don't always have a good connection to stream..
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
I started using the internet in late 1995, when there were already GUI tools for accessing the internet, including Netscape Navigator for the web.
I've never used Gopher. But although the internet was simpler
back then, I think in a way it was a little easier to find the
information you wanted. Web sites were simpler and not so cluttered up with ads & garbage, and search engine results seemed to have more
relevant results, and not so filled up with other stuff. These days,
it seems like you have to wade through more stuff to find what you need online - though search engines & things still do a fairly good job of finding what you seem to want to look for.
Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-
I think the difference is Windows only has one gui. Linux has a bunch.
If you don't find the one that suits what you want, you won't ever
like it.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Nightfox to BlaZ on Sat Jan 02 2021 08:50 am
Change "How" to "Why".
Why not? Linux seems fairly good as a general purpose OS, and I don't really get the thinking of "why would you want to do that with Linux?" That kind of thing contributes to Linux not becoming more popular..
you should switch to linux and drop windows and try these things and get bac to us.
Why not? Linux seems fairly good as a general purpose OS, and I
don't really get the thinking of "why would you want to do that
with Linux?" That kind of thing contributes to Linux not becoming
more popular..
you should switch to linux and drop windows and try these things and get back to us.
you should switch to linux and drop windows and try these things and get back to us.
How do you know? Have you seen the source code to Windows?
While I look back on my 20s and think about the things I *didn't* do,
I think about being part of a social group that was in on a
collective secret that no one else knew about at the time, and it
brought us together. I'm still in touch with many of those people,
even though they're no longer in the scene.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
Point is, with Mint, the web browser, terminal, and most of my other
softerware feels "Like new" simply because I'm not running the
latest bloated release
I have a 12-year old desktop that's starting to lose a step, but
Windows 10 support for the hardware has been a problem. I'm tempted
to re-install it with Linux Mint and see if I can get a couple more
years out of it.
don't really get the thinking of "why would you want to do that
with Linux?" That kind of thing contributes to Linux not becoming
more popular..
you should switch to linux and drop windows and try these things and
get bac to us.
Actually I am a 100% Linux and BSD user so "dropping Windows and trying these things" is quite doable.
I used to work at a job where Linux was used on all of our work/development machines. We mainly developed for Linux, but we got by just fine with it. And that was back in 2003-2007. Currently, I have Linux installed on my BBS machine - I have Plex media server installed on it, although I'm currently running my BBS in a Windows VM. I've considered switching my BBS over to Linux though.
I've considered it, but there's a reason why I haven't yet. But it's only mainly due to lack of certain software (mainly games and a couple of photo and video editing programs). If I didn't use that stuff, I think Linux is fine for a main OS.
On 12-31-20 08:43, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My netbooks can run desktop OSs. Lubuntu works well. :)
This one was an oddball older unit that was on sale back in 2012 as a
Christmas gift at CVSes and Walgreens. Old Android or Windows CE were
the only options.
I have a Thinkpad X60, a nice little thing with a proper keyboard
that I take with me once in a while, with a Core 2 Duo and 3 GB of
RAM it runs Lubuntu nicely.
On 12-31-20 10:15, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Tom Jennings (*that* Tom Jennings, not the Jeopardy guy) ran an ISP
called The Little Garden on boxes running KA9Q. Their topology was
mostly wireless across San Francisco.
Interesting, I didn't know that.
Yeah, they were an interesting ISP. Cheaper than the competition,
and promoted reselling bandwidth. Right down the street from
monkeybrains.net, one of the cooler ISPs and colos back then.
On 01-02-21 07:19, Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-
Also I think there are video players that can render the resulting
video on a tty without an X server running.
I mean, you are not doing serious edting from a terminal emulator, but
the power of CLI tools is frigging amazing.
On 01-02-21 10:00, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
I have a 12-year old desktop that's starting to lose a step, but
Windows 10 support for the hardware has been a problem. I'm tempted
to re-install it with Linux Mint and see if I can get a couple more
years out of it.
On 01-02-21 20:58, Dream Master wrote to MRO <=-
I've always been of the notion that there is a right tool for every
job. For example, if you want a strong and reliable database server
use Oracle (Microsoft SQL is a close second), if you want a flexible
and extensible webserver use Apache, and if you want a rock solid operating system use AIX. Even though I've been using Linux for the better part of 27 years, and have relied upon Red Hat's RHEL (and AS)
for a good majority of those, if I need to use Windows Server for some purpose I will. If I'm going to deal with photo manipulation, I'll use
a Mac with PhotoShop.
Moondog wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
Basic cell service is cheaper than keeping a land line with long distace service. A Straight Talk home phone connect box is $15USD a month.
If I didn't live in a place with horrible cell coverage, I'd be all
over something like that.
... Do the last thing first
This one was an oddball older unit that was on sale back in 2012 as a
Christmas gift at CVSes and Walgreens. Old Android or Windows CE were
the only options.
I'm guessing some advanced form of ANSI.i already put linux on it and i wasnt impressed. plus linux sucks compared >> to windows when you're using a gui.
What's a GUI? :)
Are there any cheap SBCs that are compadible?
Haven't gone looking, but not a priority, the game servers are a better option,
in any case. :)
i already put linux on it and i wasnt impressed. plus linux sucks compared to
ndows when you're using a gui.
I think the difference is Windows only has one gui. Linux has a bunch. If you don't find the one that suits what you want, you won't ever like it.
so linux is fine if you didnt have to use the applications you use frequently and you just wanted to do something simple like web browsing? see what i mean?
if I need to use Windows Server for some purpose I will. If I'm going to deal with photo manipulation, I'll use a Mac with PhotoShop.
Dream Master wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
no one cared. I got a kick out of the people that I met, had a great
time with them, and remember a few times where I woke up in someone's house that I didn't start out at.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
you probably have hardware that is failing. windows 10 should work
with a 12 yr old desktop.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
so linux is fine if you didnt have to use the applications you use frequently and you just wanted to do something simple like web browsing? see what i mean?
Linux is good for more than just simple web browsing.. Things
like software development and some photo editing (with Gimp,
etc.) can be done with Linux. There is even some growing game
support for Linux - There is a version of Steam that runs on
Linux, for instance, and I've heard Steam was working on enabling
more and more games to run on Linux.
If you like to record music, there is music recording software
available for Linux: https://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/MULTITRACK_RECORDING/
So, no, I don't quite see what you mean about just doing
something simple like web browsing..
Why specifically a Mac though? Photoshop runs on both Windows and Mac.
If you like to record music, there is music recording software available for Linux:
https://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/MULTITRACK_RECORDING/
So, no, I don't quite see what you mean about just doing something simple like web browsing..
On 01-03-21 07:48, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-option
@VIA: VERT/TRN
On 12/31/2020 10:22 PM, Vk3jed wrote:
Are there any cheap SBCs that are compadible?
Haven't gone looking, but not a priority, the game servers are a better
,
in any case. :)
I agree on just using the game servers... That said, there are a couple mini pc and sbc x86/x64 options in the $200-300 range that can run a
32bit windows install that would make life a little easier. Can also
get some capable Lenovo mini pcs in that price range on ebay.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: Vlk-451 to MRO on Thu Dec 31 2020 02:59 pm
i have a laptop that is on my rack here by my desk and i never us it.
if i were to open it up windows would want to do an update or some
shit and it's a bit slow because it's a 200 dollar walmart laptop.
my phone is faster.
It would work a lot faster if you put Linux on it. I'm posting from a
i already put linux on it and i wasnt impressed. plus linux sucks compared to windows when you're using a gui.
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: MRO to Vlk-451 on Thu Dec 31 2020 04:16 pm
i already put linux on it and i wasnt impressed. plus linux sucks compared to windows when you're using a gui.
What's a GUI? :)
On 12-31-20 15:06, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I see a bunch of website on the clear net that wana scam me for some cash in order to download technical documents or electrical wire charts for my car.
Yeah, that sounds iffy. :/
If you ever get a hold of anything like that for a 98 Cadillac Deville, let me know.
Highly unlikely on this side of the world. :(
On 12-30-20 20:16, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There isn't an easy way to route it through DOSbox or a VM?
DOSBox has many limitations, and although there is a known way to use Qemu,
apparently it's slow as (and I never managed to get the Qemu environment working in anyu case)...
Are there any cheap SBCs that are compadible?
one, has an intel chip and is pretty cheap. It only has one USB 3 connector, though, so you'd have to buy a hub. I have two... my experience is that
they are ok. I wanted to use one as an NFS server. Got a USB 3 hub and a couple of external drives. The version of ubuntu that comes with them is flakey (imho, they forgot to install some packages... you cannot even properly log out of XFCE as installed) and I finally had to switch that machine to devuan with no X server. For what I wanted it for, it works
like a champ.
I bought the other one on a whim. I left the ubuntu install on it, and was able to uninstall/reinstall xfce to get that all working. I like it, but
it does not have enough memory to run a bunch of browser windows... open
too many chromium or firefox tabs/windows and it will run like a slug.
If you can find one, the Intel Galileos were going pretty cheap about a
year ago. I'd steer clear, though... I have one that I wanted to do something simple with, and it turned out to be too much for the machine. They also only have one USB (2) port. The thing is so underpowered I could not properly recompile a kernal for it... the default one comes with NFS
and samba and damn near everything else you might want for using it as a PC disabled. It also does not have a video connector... you have to use SSH
or a serial connection to access it.
Short story... it works great as a print server.
I do have an UP board. They are not cheap but are worth it. Very compatible. I am running two BBSes on mine... synchronet and a DOS bbs in virtualbox. Virtualbox ties up one of the four cores... sometimes synchronet will max a second out, but it still runs great with the remaining two.
Now, if you meant compatible with the Raspberry Pi... yes, there are a lot of choices out there.
Vlk-451 wrote to MRO <=-
Point is, with Mint, the web browser, terminal, and most of my other softerware feels "Like new" simply because I'm not running the latest bloated release
I have a 12-year old desktop that's starting to lose a step, but
Windows 10 support for the hardware has been a problem. I'm tempted
to re-install it with Linux Mint and see if I can get a couple more
years out of it.
I agree on just using the game servers... That said, there are a couple
mini pc and sbc x86/x64 options in the $200-300 range that can run a
32bit windows install that would make life a little easier. Can also
get some capable Lenovo mini pcs in that price range on ebay.
That's only about 4-6x the cost of my Pi. :/ And I'm not a big fan of windows
for this particular task (running a BBS) either. In the old days, it was DOS or OS/2. Today, Linux is my goto. Besides, as I don't play games myself, I'd
be relying on users to make them interesting.
So the game servers are still the best answer for me. :)
so linux is fine if you didnt have to use the applications you use frequent
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jan 03 2021 01:32 am
so linux is fine if you didnt have to use the applications you use
frequent
Which Windows -only applications do you have to rely on? I get by with Libre Office on my linux and Windows boxes, and if I needed MS Office for Access or VB script laden Excel spreadsheets, I could get by with the
I ordered 16gb of DDR3 1600 MHz RAM for my Thinkpad Edge E545 to help
with that problem exactly. I'm thinking about upgrading the CPU to an AMD A10-5750M Quad-Core. I just replaed the original HDD to an SSD. Thinking about replacing the CD drive with a hot swapable 2.5" drive bay.
On 01-05-21 01:16, Vlk-451 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I know Japanese lowrider culture is huge. That's not TOO far from you.
On 01-04-21 15:46, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Well, when you add a case, power, sd card, usually you're going to pay around $100 for an rpi. so 2-3x the cost comparitively, also more
powerful in general.
As I said, I agree that the game servers are easier than trying to get qemu working on arm if you're going that way. And even then, more
likely to be a better option all around for most sysops in most conditions. x86 options are mainly for if you want to self-host with
the easiest option to get up and running.
On 01-05-21 00:14, MRO wrote to Moondog <=-
i use a lot of stuff. i prefer linux for the cli and i switch back and forth between windows and linux on an hourly basis. ---
Ogg wrote to Vlk-451 <=-
I recently opened my dear T60 to replace the fan assembly. I was
surprised that I could not maneuver the fan exhaust to lift it
out without first unplugging and lifting the wifi module. Yes..
the steps were all outlined in the maintenance manual - but I
obviously did not "pack" everything down 100% flat as it was
originally.
Anyway.. the lid does not close as smoothly and quietly as it did
before. Plus a screw or two seems to be missing to bolt down the
palm rest properly (but gravity is in my favour anyway).
Next, I really need to tackle the same operation on my beloved
T40p.
--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Ogg's Dovenet Point (723:320/1.9)
Synchronet CAPCITY2 * capcity2.synchro.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/Rlogin/HTTP
Moondog wrote to MRO <=-
Which Windows -only applications do you have to rely on? I get by with Libre Office on my linux and Windows boxes, and if I needed MS Office
for Access or VB script laden Excel spreadsheets, I could get by with
the web-based 365 version.
Vk3jed wrote to MRO <=-
I'm constantly moving between Windows desktop, Linux CLI (via
putty/SSH) and Linux GUI (running on a networked
desktop X server on Windows). :)
That's how I feel about my Xbox. So many updates!
I did the same to the BBS, running on a T60, I don't recall the wifi card getting in the way. Make sure you replace the thermal paste, I got a 10 degree drop in temp by just doing that!
..Plus a screw or two seems to be missing to bolt down the
palm rest properly (but gravity is in my favour anyway).
eBay has screw kits for each model of Thinkpad, as well as replacement palm rests, track pads, and trackpoint nubbins. It's a nice way to recondition an old laptop.
Next, I really need to tackle the same operation on my beloved
T40p.
I miss my T42, I'm tempted to try and find a maxxed out T43 just for
kicks but I tossed out all of my docks and old power supplies when my T42 finally died.
Best keyboard ever.
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Moondog wrote to MRO <=-
Which Windows -only applications do you have to rely on? I get by with Libre Office on my linux and Windows boxes, and if I needed MS Office for Access or VB script laden Excel spreadsheets, I could get by with the web-based 365 version.
I'm more worried about the weird little one-offs, like the app I use to scan to PDF with my multi-function printer. I could use G apps, Office365, Libre office, the GIMP, or run Photoshop and a couple of others through Wine.
If I had a license and enough memory, I could always run Virtualbox and fire up a Windows VM when you need to.
There are some nice looking desktop Linux distros; I'm tempted to put ElementaryOS on a spare hard drive and give it a go.
... Eval Day 1005
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Vk3jed wrote to MRO <=-
I'm constantly moving between Windows desktop, Linux CLI (via putty/SSH) and Linux GUI (running on a networked
desktop X server on Windows). :)
This week, I'm trying out Windows Terminal and WSL2. Windows Terminal is a nice tabbed console client that supports WSL, Powershell and command prompt, so I could get an Ubuntu Bash prompt in the same window as my other windows. Nice mouseable copy and paste from cmd. I'm moving my SSH keys over to it and using the command line SSH tools in a WT window to see how well it works instead of connecting into a Linux box via Putty.
... Eval Day 1005
Re: New BBS documentary (seri
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jan 03 2021 01:32 am
so linux is fine if you didnt have to use the applications you use frequent
Which Windows -only applications do you have to rely on? I get by with Libre Office on my linux and Windows boxes, and if I needed MS Office for Access or VB script laden Excel spreadsheets, I could get by with the web-based 365 version.
If you're tied down to specific applications, things get sticky. Otherwise it's a matter of finding a replacement application.
When I had to do work from home at my previous job, I connected through a VPN session via remote connection or worked through a Citrix session.
Hello Vlk-451!
** On Tuesday 05.01.21 - 01:28, Vlk-451 wrote to Dumas Walker:
I ordered 16gb of DDR3 1600 MHz RAM for my Thinkpad Edge E545 to help with that problem exactly. I'm thinking about upgrading the CPU to an AMD A10-5750M Quad-Core. I just replaed the original HDD to an SSD. Thinking about replacing the CD drive with a hot swapable 2.5" drive bay.
You sound confident. Good luck. Changing the HHDs and ram is
pretty easy, but you'll have to peel off some extra layers of
gear (heatsink), to get to the CPU.
I recently opened my dear T60 to replace the fan assembly. I was
surprised that I could not maneuver the fan exhaust to lift it
out without first unplugging and lifting the wifi module. Yes..
the steps were all outlined in the maintenance manual - but I
obviously did not "pack" everything down 100% flat as it was
originally.
Anyway.. the lid does not close as smoothly and quietly as it did
before. Plus a screw or two seems to be missing to bolt down the
palm rest properly (but gravity is in my favour anyway).
Next, I really need to tackle the same operation on my beloved
T40p.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
My "new" T540 does not have a light and the keyboard has a
chicklet design.
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I've been getting by running Simple Scan on my Ubuntu utility box. I
have a Pixma multi-function scanner/ printer/ copier, and it scans and prints well. For awhile I had the inkjet portion shared through Samba
for my other pc's.
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I've been getting by running Simple Scan on my Ubuntu utility box. I have a Pixma multi-function scanner/ printer/ copier, and it scans and prints well. For awhile I had the inkjet portion shared through Samba for my other pc's.
Thanks for the tip! I use scan-to-pdf pretty heavily now that I'm working from home. I'll need that functionality if I move to Linux. Does it work with networked scanners?
... Faced with a choice, do both.
My "new" T540 does not have a light and the keyboard has a
chicklet design.
I hear you. My daily driver is a T410, and it's one of the last with a full- action keyboard. When I work with it from a coffee shop or a remote office, it feels like a portable desktop rather than a laptop, if that makes any sense. It's also got the ThinkLight at the top of the screen.
I recently opened my dear T60 to replace the fan assembly..
I did the same to the BBS, running on a T60, I don't recall the wifi card getting in the way. Make sure you replace the thermal paste, I got a 10 degree drop in temp by just doing that!
I ended up choosing a cool kit with a syringe and superfine
nozzle attachment. The goop was pure metallic (resembled a dob
of mercury when applied) yet pasty and pliable.
I added the recommended amount to the main CPU, based on the
metering on the syringe (and maybe just a bit more for good
measure)
There were a couple of other chips that had what looked like
remnants of thermal paste but it was "dry" and flakey - so I gave
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I've been getting by running Simple Scan on my Ubuntu utility box. I have a Pixma multi-function scanner/ printer/ copier, and it scans and prints well. For awhile I had the inkjet portion shared through Samba for my other pc's.
Thanks for the tip! I use scan-to-pdf pretty heavily now that I'm working from home. I'll need that functionality if I move to Linux. Does it work with networked scanners?
... Faced with a choice, do both.
i think almost everyone's thermalpaste is dried up and flakey. i'm not even sure it has much of a benefit.
Re: I'm thinking about upgrading the CPU
By: MRO to Ogg on Fri Jan 08 2021 04:38 pm
i think almost everyone's thermalpaste is dried up and flakey. i'm
not even sure it has much of a benefit.
I've heard the surfaces of both a CPU and a heat sink aren't perfectly flat (though you'd have to look at them with a microscope to see any imperfections in the shape) - so the surfaces aren't making full contact with each other. Thermal paste is supposed to fill the gaps, which helps transfer heat.
I've heard of people replacing their termal paste after a while, and supposedly it helps. Admittedly, I had never thought of doing that. And I wonder how one would go about that for something like a graphics card, where I think the heat sink is attached a lot more securely.
I've heard the surfaces of both a CPU and a heat sink aren't
perfectly flat (though you'd have to look at them with a microscope
to see any imperfections in the shape) - so the surfaces aren't
making full contact with each other. Thermal paste is supposed to
fill the gaps, which helps transfer heat.
yeah but these are precision machined products, so i think of possibility of that being true might be slim. like i said in another post, some false statements became known as truth when it was repeated a lot.
Even if it weren't true, I would imagine that after repeated heating and cooling, the surfaces of a CPU and a heat sink probably don't remain perfectly flat and would probably develop some imperfections in their shape after a while. Kinda like a street or a sidewalk that cracks after a while due to repeated thermal expansion and contraction (though metal isn't as brittle as a sidewalk or a street).
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Do you use the ThinkLight much? I like the way it helps to
balance out the overly strong light from the screen and provide *something* over the keyboard work area.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
What temperture are you managing for your machine?
I've heard the surfaces of both a CPU and a heat sink aren't perfectly flat (though you'd have to look at them with a microscope to see any imperfections in the shape) - so the surfaces aren't making full contact with each other. Thermal paste is supposed to fill the gaps, which helps transfer heat.The best thermal insulator is a vacuum. Next would be just trapped air. So the paste is an attempt to provide 100% molecular contact to the surface to transfer heat from one material to the other. BUT there is always a bottleneck between two seperate objects no matter what.
Do you use the ThinkLight much? I like the way it helps
to balance out the overly strong light from the screen and
provide *something* over the keyboard work area.
I don't use it all that often, but when I do, it's a much
better solution IMO then under-key backlights. I don't know
why, but being able to see my hands in the dark helps. I'm
not a touch typist as such.
What temperture are you managing for your machine?
55-65c, after running 24/7 for a week. Depends on the
ambient temp and what's running at the time.
so linux is fine if you didnt have to use the applications you use frequent
Which Windows -only applications do you have to rely on? I get by with Libre Office on my linux and Windows boxes, and if I needed MS Office for Access or VB script laden Excel spreadsheets, I could get by with the web-based 365 version.
If you're tied down to specific applications, things get sticky. Otherwise it's a matter of finding a replacement application.
When I had to do work from home at my previous job, I connected through a VPN session via remote connection or worked through a Citrix session.
I did install WSL2, and Ubuntu under that, with Docker configured as
well, and TBH, it's really nice... all my desktop apps mostly just work, nothing really breaks on updates. Major updates in Linux usually pull me down for half a day. All my work stuff is in WSL2/Docker and VS Code integrates with shell and remote debugging into that environment, configuring a few gui bits to work for git and diffing the rest is easy-peasy.
Glad to hear WSL working out for you. At work, we're going from ad
hoc Linux VMs spun up and then forgotten about in my ESX cluster to
WSL2 for local dev and a K8s cluster and containers for the heavy dev
listing on ESX. I'll go from 120 VMs to a handful.
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