dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was
distracting.
Americans are bad that way. I'm always amazed when I hear
someone interviewed on TV with a British accent and they turn
on closed captioning.
I have a trained ear, I suppose. My wife is from England and
most of our streaming television consists of English murder
mysteries.
Hello poindexter!
** On Tuesday 22.12.20 - 21:21, poindexter.fortran wrote to Nightfox:
dunno, was hard for me to watch. also the guy's accent was
distracting.
Americans are bad that way. I'm always amazed when I hear
someone interviewed on TV with a British accent and they turn
on closed captioning.
I have a trained ear, I suppose. My wife is from England and
why dont you use an offline mailer that doesnt address everything to all
Hello MRO!
** On Sunday 27.12.20 - 18:28, mro wrote to Ogg:
why dont you use an offline mailer that doesnt address everything to
all
We already went through this. It *doesn't* address *everything*
to all. The result seems to depend on how the EOTL's system
processes and converts the nntp messages back to dovenet's qwk
system.
This message should be fine.
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
why dont you use an offline mailer that doesnt address everything to all
We already went through this. It *doesn't* address *everything*
to all. The result seems to depend on how the EOTL's system
processes and converts the nntp messages back to dovenet's qwk
system.
But the hardest accent for me has been the Vera series (based on
Anne Cleeves books).
On 12-27-20 21:09, Gamgee wrote to Ogg <=-
OK, so a related question:
Why access BBS echos via NNTP?
Or if you'd rather - what's wrong with telnet/ssh and a "traditional" offline/QWK reader?
Vk3jed wrote to Gamgee <=-
On 12-27-20 21:09, Gamgee wrote to Ogg <=-
OK, so a related question:
Why access BBS echos via NNTP?
One is using a mobile device? NNTP support is much better on
mobile than native BBS support (a native iOS/Android offline
reader would be nice!)
Or if you'd rather - what's wrong with telnet/ssh and a "traditional" offline/QWK reader?
I like offline mail, but support on mobile devices sucks.
I don't use NNTP though, because both lastread pointers and
subscriptions are stored outside the BBS, making it a pain to
manage if you "device hop". QWK is built for this scenario and
handles it well, as do telnet/SSH and web interfaces.
On 12-27-20 21:09, Gamgee wrote to Ogg <=-
OK, so a related question:
Why access BBS echos via NNTP?
Or if you'd rather - what's wrong with telnet/ssh and a "traditional"
offline/QWK reader?
I like offline mail, but support on mobile devices sucks.
In this particular case, my question to Ogg... I believe he posts from
a computer running "point" software, so hoping to hear his answers to
the question(s).
Ogg wrote to All <=-
Why access BBS echos via NNTP?
I primarily use nntp for the echos/networks that I can't get via
FTN. And.. I like the ease of nntp that allows me to link up
with a message group instantly, as opposed to the delayed method
of FTN areafix. The nntp method is also quicker to take a peek
in a message area, read a few messages, and drop it if it isn't
suitable.
As you can probably tell, my point software is OpenXP. Although
it is my primary FTN software, it also supports nntp. This way,
I can read most of the echos of interest with just one program.
Now, the matter that has spawned the original concern "messages
addressed to All" seems to be a little niggly thing in OpenXP.
Apparently, if I reply to a message that *was* addressed to me by
a specific person, then the reply is addressed to that specific
person. However, if I interject to an ongoing thread between to
other people, OpenXP will address it to All. That matter has
been reported to the developer; maybe that will be solvable. For
now, this addressing behaviour seems to be happening only with
Dovenet messages.
Unlike Vk's comment about being best for mobile devices, using a smartphone is not a prerequisite for me. I just like the easy
subscribing and unsubscribing that nntp provides.
Or if you'd rather - what's wrong with telnet/ssh and a "traditional"
offline/QWK reader?
I like offline mail, but support on mobile devices sucks.
I use telnet and Netrunner to access Araknet via QWK at
DangerBay. If I could get Araknet via nntp or FTN, I would
prefer to use that. Netrunner provides a traditional login so
that one can play games and see all the fancy ansi graphics. But
the games and graphics don't interest me at this time; I just
want to get straight to the message areas.
Logging in to a bbs with telnet/Netrunner, navigating to the QWK
section, triggering a QWK download and then unpacking the QWK in
my local reader (and the same steps in reverse when posting
replies) - are all extra steps that I would rather avoid.
In this particular case, my question to Ogg... I believe he posts from
a computer running "point" software, so hoping to hear his answers to
the question(s).
I hope that has helped answer your questions.
BTW.. since I am replying to a messag that you wrote to Vk, this
reply will appear to be addressed to All. :(
On 12-28-20 07:28, Gamgee wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I like offline mail, but support on mobile devices sucks.
I don't use NNTP though, because both lastread pointers and
subscriptions are stored outside the BBS, making it a pain to
manage if you "device hop". QWK is built for this scenario and
handles it well, as do telnet/SSH and web interfaces.
All right, that all makes some sense, I guess. Didn't know about the support (or lack of) on mobile devices, probably because that's not something I do, or care to do. Thanks for the info.
In this particular case, my question to Ogg... I believe he posts from
a computer running "point" software, so hoping to hear his answers to
the question(s).
Apparently, if I reply to a message that *was* addressed to
me by a specific person, then the reply is addressed to that
specific person. However, if I interject to an ongoing
thread between to other people, OpenXP will address it to
All. That matter has been reported to the developer; maybe
that will be solvable. For now, this addressing behaviour
seems to be happening only with Dovenet messages.
Yes, I've noticed that happening. I guess the OpenXP interface
doesn't offer you a chance to change the "To: " field to
another name?
Logging in to a bbs with telnet/Netrunner, navigating to the
QWK section, triggering a QWK download and then unpacking
the QWK in my local reader (and the same steps in reverse
when posting replies) - are all extra steps that I would
rather avoid.
Okay, I guess I can see that, but interestingly, that process
is part of what I enjoy when doing messages. Different
strokes... :-)
BTW.. since I am replying to a messag that you wrote to Vk,
this reply will appear to be addressed to All. :(
Yes, it did. That causes it to not get flagged as a "personal"
message, and could make your messages get overlooked.
Hopefully the OpenXP author will fix that... Cheers.
This message should be fine.
yeah this one is fine. why did this one work okay?
why not just connect to vert?
Ogg wrote to Gamgee <=-
BTW.. since I am replying to a messag that you wrote to Vk,
this reply will appear to be addressed to All. :(
Yes, it did. That causes it to not get flagged as a "personal"
message, and could make your messages get overlooked.
Hopefully the OpenXP author will fix that... Cheers.
Yep.. I am fully aware of that. Maybe that explains why some of
my "replies" go unnoticed to the person that I was hoping to
address. But, since the conversations are public and open to ALL
anyway, I trust that anyone (including the intended addressee)
would feel free to read them or reply to them just same as any
other message addressed to anyone else. ;)
Yes, I've noticed that happening. I guess the OpenXP interface
doesn't offer you a chance to change the "To: " field to
another name?
It does. But the inherent nature of NNTP doesn't allow changing
the To field for anything other than "to: the newsgroup area".
But again, this limitation only seems to happen with Dovenet that
is ported to nntp. Other nntp areas that I feed from traditional
nntp servers do not have that problem. But since my replies in
Dovenet using Thunderbird appear addressed properly (hence
Nelgin's EOTL system is simply interpreting what it gets), the
problem only seems to be a little bug or issue with OpenXP not
sending some piece of header info properly.
Yep.. I am fully aware of that. Maybe that explains why some of
my "replies" go unnoticed to the person that I was hoping to
address. But, since the conversations are public and open to ALL
anyway, I trust that anyone (including the intended addressee)
would feel free to read them or reply to them just same as any
other message addressed to anyone else. ;)
When you reply to a message (synchronet) via NNTP that doesn't have a To
or X-Apparently-To header, but does contain the "In-Reply-To" or
"References" header, it will look up the original message..
OpenXP only needs to include the X-Apparently-To header... though, if
this is further gated over NNTP, that may or may not still work
correctly depending on where you are seeing the message come in as this
is a feature of Synchronet's NNTP service specifically.
Also, it, NNTP does support a "To" header, however, most
clients will use that to trigger an SMTP output, instead of a
followup to NNTP including said header. It's something that
bugs me with Thunderbird in fact.
For what it's worth, your message came through as "To: Camgee"
just fine on this end... I'm polling vert via QWK, and ready
myself via NNTP.
Also, it, NNTP does support a "To" header, however, most
clients will use that to trigger an SMTP output, instead of a
followup to NNTP including said header. It's something that
bugs me with Thunderbird in fact.
Yes.. I've encountered that too. Infact, R)eply in my older TB
3.0.11 works as desired when replying in a newsgroup. But the
newer TB 70+ generates an SMTP email reply. Instead, I have to
remember to use "Follow-up" instead.
For what it's worth, your message came through as "To: Camgee"
just fine on this end... I'm polling vert via QWK, and ready
myself via NNTP.
[I assume you mean "Gamgee" not "Camgee", and "reply myself"
instead of "ready myself".]
Yes.. when I R)eply to a message that was originally addressed to
me, OpenXP has no problem, and the TO looks fine. When I R)eply
to messages between two other names, then OpenXP generates a
message to "All" instead of the sender's name.
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