Bottom of the matter is Westerns are becoming lazy smokers and burger
eaters
Ironically the burger (meat) itself isn't the problem so much as the
sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Ironically the burger (meat) itself isn't the problem so much as the
sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Don't overlook the meat so quickly. Everyone I know who has had
a heart attack or has had bypass surgery or stints as solutions,
has been told by their Drs to stay off red meats.
Ironically the burger (meat) itself isn't the problem so much as the
sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Don't overlook the meat so quickly. Everyone I know who has had
a heart attack or has had bypass surgery or stints as solutions,
has been told by their Drs to stay off red meats.
But it seems that a lot of people pick on fast food specifically, as if to imply a home-cooked hamburger is automatically healthier or better than a fast food hamburger..
But it seems that a lot of people pick on fast food specifically,
as if to imply a home-cooked hamburger is automatically healthier
or better than a fast food hamburger..
I've never heard that distinction, that is, home-cooked vs
fastfood wrt burgers. Red meat is red meat no matter who
prepares it.
Ironically the burger (meat) itself isn't the problem so much as the
sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Don't overlook the meat so quickly. Everyone I know who has had
a heart attack or has had bypass surgery or stints as solutions,
has been told by their Drs to stay off red meats.
Wendy's was heavy on promoting a blackbean-based burger. No one
in the commercial can seem to tell the difference from meat vs
black-bean. Amazing. ;/
I notice plant-based burger patties in the frozen sections of the
grocery stores. The list of ingredients is an turn-off for me.
Soybeans and palm oils seem to be salient additions.
Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Ogg to All on Sun Jan 03 2021 12:18 pm
Ironically the burger (meat) itself isn't the problem so much as the
sugary bun, sauce and "cheese".
Don't overlook the meat so quickly. Everyone I know who has had
a heart attack or has had bypass surgery or stints as solutions,
has been told by their Drs to stay off red meats.
But it seems that a lot of people pick on fast food specifically, as if to i
Nightfox
For the most part, if you stick to foods made from whole sourcing
(meats, eggs, fish, vegetables) most of the time, even with red meat,
and limited the intake of seed ("vegetable") oils like canola, palm and soy oils. Avoiding refined foods altogether along with limiting modern grain intake to maybe a meal a week, most people would fare dramatically better.
As someone alergic to legumes and diabetic, I generally just stick to real meat, fish and eggs.
On 01-05-21 00:22, Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
Reasonable intake and a balanced diet with relation to your amount of
or lack of physical activity is hard for people to comprehend. Back in
On 01-05-21 00:00, MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like
I notice plant-based burger patties in the frozen sections of
the grocery stores. The list of ingredients is an turn-off
for me. Soybeans and palm oils seem to be salient additions.
As someone alergic to legumes and diabetic, I generally just
stick to real meat, fish and eggs.
..apply self control and increased her activity level. Oprah pretty
much ignored her and asked her the least amount of questions, then about a year later she did a show where she celebrated losing 60 pounds. Guess which method her trainer put her on? It was a slap in the face for that guest.
For the most part, if you stick to foods made from whole sourcing
(meats, eggs, fish, vegetables) most of the time, even with red meat,
and limited the intake of seed ("vegetable") oils like canola, palm and
soy oils. Avoiding refined foods altogether along with limiting modern
grain intake to maybe a meal a week, most people would fare dramatically
better.
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like that.
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like
Really? Buying fresh food and cooking it yourself is often cheaper. Eating out at McDonalds is horrendously expensive.
Vk3jed wrote to MRO <=-
On 01-05-21 00:00, MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like
Really? Buying fresh food and cooking it yourself is often cheaper. Eating out at McDonalds is horrendously expensive.
Ogg wrote to All <=-
Don't overlook the meat so quickly. Everyone I know who has had
a heart attack or has had bypass surgery or stints as solutions,
has been told by their Drs to stay off red meats.
MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like
that. ---
Vk3jed wrote to MRO <=-
Really? Buying fresh food and cooking it yourself is often cheaper. Eating out at McDonalds is horrendously expensive.
Let's see - fresh vegerables and meat for a week's dinners is around
$75 (around $11/day). And that includes a bonus lunch or two from leftovers.
One McDonalds meal, was around $20 last time I bought a full meal there (not a lot of choice, was either Maccas or KFC - best of a bad lot in
this particular town).
I thought "Why do the needy need 4X Large pants?" Because they eat fast food because it's cheap.
As I eat more and more healthy, I am spending more and more on food, but it's not that much more.
And then there's the preparation of those healthy meals. You need a working stove, pots, and the knowledge (which few people seemed to have acquired).
That also requires a working fridge to keep the meals. Plus a microwave to warm them.
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like
that.
I think there is a popular misconception about that. I went
through a similar thought process at first. Now, for just my
self, I eat a whole lot healthier, have lost quite a bit of
weight, my niggly health issues went away, I feel vastly better,
don't EVER feel hungry (I even forget to eat at a precise time, sometimes) ..and I spend less than $60 per week on foods.
On 01-05-21 08:48, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
McDonalds actually seems like it's probably one of the less expensive
fast food places. They have a section of items for $1 to $2 or so, at least where I am. I think they sell their McDouble for $1.25, for instance. You could buy one of those, a small fries, and a small drink for probably under $5 to $6 or so.
On 01-05-21 06:54, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I'm incredibly lucky to live in a place where eating fresh fruits and vegetables is available and inexpensive, but I've seen food deserts in
big cities where the only food reasonably easy to get to are processed foods.
I could get a couple of spaghetti squash, a bell pepper, a bag of
frozen corn, 2 onions, a head of garlic, handful of carrots, head of celery, a can of broth and a bag of rice for the price of a Big Mac
Meal and make at least 6 meals out of that. Admittedly, it takes time
to prepare and (for me) discipline not to go for the Big Mac, though.
On 01-05-21 10:16, Dr. What wrote to Vk3jed <=-
@VIA: VERT/DMINE
Vk3jed wrote to MRO <=-
Really? Buying fresh food and cooking it yourself is often cheaper. Eating out at McDonalds is horrendously expensive.
McDonalds has a dollar menu, last time I checked. I can go there and
pick up a very unhealthy meal for less than $5.
And then there's the preparation of those healthy meals. You need a working stove, pots, and the knowledge (which few people seemed to have acquired).
Let's see - fresh vegerables and meat for a week's dinners is around
$75 (around $11/day). And that includes a bonus lunch or two from leftovers.
That also requires a working fridge to keep the meals. Plus a
microwave to warm them.
One McDonalds meal, was around $20 last time I bought a full meal there (not a lot of choice, was either Maccas or KFC - best of a bad lot in
this particular town).
McDonalds is much more expensive Down Under. I wonder if they have to
use imported beef. 8)
don't EVER feel hungry (I even forget to eat at a precise time,
sometimes) ..and I spend less than $60 per week on foods.
no,i was with someone who was trying to lose the weight and going through the diets. that type of food is expensive as fuck. and just eating meat
and doing the keto diet and taking the vitamins you need to take was expensive as fuck.
The dietary guidelines on cholesterol were rolled back in 2011-2013, and
the guidelines on saturated fat dramatically reduced from 2017. In particular most refined seed oils are worse than the combination of fats found in red meat.
You're better off eating red meat alone from a fast food place than *anything* fried from the same location.
McDonalds actually seems like it's probably one of the less
expensive fast food places. They have a section of items for $1 to
$2 or so, at least where I am. I think they sell their McDouble for
$1.25, for instance. You could buy one of those, a small fries, and
a small drink for probably under $5 to $6 or so.
Hmm, I'll have to look again, but I don't recall anything like that cheap in McDonalds.
On 01-05-21 00:00, MRO wrote to Tracker1 <=-
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like
Really? Buying fresh food and cooking it yourself is often cheaper. Eating out at McDonalds is horrendously expensive.
Let's see - fresh vegerables and meat for a week's dinners is around $75 (around $11/day). And that includes a bonus lunch or two from leftovers.
One McDonalds meal, was around $20 last time I bought a full meal there (not lot of choice, was either Maccas or KFC - best of a bad lot in this particul town).
... Shock me, say something intelligent!
Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Tue Jan 05 2021 08:23 pm
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like
Really? Buying fresh food and cooking it yourself is often cheaper. Eat out at McDonalds is horrendously expensive.
There's a difference between buying the typical food items you can find at t ke fish) can be fairly expensive. So if you want to buy all organic foods a
McDonalds actually seems like it's probably one of the less expensive fast f
fries, and a small drink for probably under $5 to $6 or so.
Nightfox
started to notice imporovements, but I cut back on the meat quite
a bit and modified things to become primarily plant-based.
wrt vitamin supplements, I don't take anything beyond the usual
multi's D and B's
According to the "science" I should probably have died of heart disease by now. My staple is 4-5 eggs each morning along with an unflavoured protein shake with milk. I have a light lunch or skip it all together and then for dinner I tend to have two steaks and potatoes with greens. Junk food wise, I'll have a packet of crisps and some natural Greek yoghurt. I have maintained a body fat percentage of around 10% or less for many years, depending on the season, and still feel great in my mid-30s. I religiously lift weights and do gym work but not a great deal of cardio as I care more about my appearance more than anything else. I'll have a carb blowout once per week but sometimes I can afford to do it twice without any noticable detriment. I have had my blood pressure checked, etc... which appears to be perfectly fine and my BMI is around 23-24.
Sometimes I am baffled at the struggles people face to lose weight. When I
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
Well.. the prices of some good foods could go up. But if you can
stand to lose more weight (ie. consume less calories), then maybe
there is potential to save more?
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
expensive. I don't buy free-range or organics each and every
time. I don't go out of my way (extra travel) to visit farmers,
for example. I just started eliminating processed foods,
starches and sugar. That cut a significant $ out of the weekly
list. Then.. eating better, you feel better, don't feel the need
to eat crap and don't fall into a pattern of over eating and
buying more than than you need.
Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
least where I am. I think they sell their McDouble for $1.25, for instance. You could buy one of those, a small fries, and a small drink for probably under $5 to $6 or so.
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
expensive. I don't buy free-range or organics each and every
time. I don't go out of my way (extra travel) to visit farmers,
for example. I just started eliminating processed foods,
starches and sugar. That cut a significant $ out of the weekly
list. Then.. eating better, you feel better, don't feel the need
to eat crap and don't fall into a pattern of over eating and
buying more than than you need.
Cutting down on the added sugar must make a difference in evening out the Blood Sugar Roller Coaster. When my blood sugar drops, that's when I get cravings and make poor food choices.
... Are there sections? Consider transitions
she got shots and had stuff monitored and had vitamins she
got from the clinic they were pretty serious about it.
everyone that gets on the keto diet bombs out eventually.
Well, since you work off those calories with lifting weights. But the majority of people spend a good part of their labor and leisure on their ass but their diets don't reflect that.
you shouldnt be baffled. it's genetics that keeps you think. when i lost all my fat, if i had one pizza on a saturday i gained 10 fucking pounds.
i'm not joking.
I could get a couple of spaghetti squash, a bell pepper, a bag of frozen corn, 2 onions, a head of garlic, handful of carrots, head of celery, a can
of broth and a bag of rice for the price of a Big Mac Meal and make at least
6 meals out of that. Admittedly, it takes time to prepare and (for me) discipline not to go for the Big Mac, though.
Hello Mro!
** On Wednesday 06.01.21 - 19:05, MRO wrote to Ogg:
she got shots and had stuff monitored and had vitamins she
got from the clinic they were pretty serious about it.
Sounds like a unique case then.
I never reached the point where I allow myself to go vitamin
deficient.
Some of the higher quality foods tend to be more pricy. But they are
also more perishable. Sometimes we have to throw out some of the "fresh" food because it's spoiled.
We will go the route of making our own soup, for example. But like the fresh food, is also very perishable - partly because we put much less sodium in it. But that also costs more in time.
So, while I eat less, I also pay more. But I am getting more fruits and veggies and less carbs (cheap) and fat.
..Then.. eating better, you feel better, don't feel the need
to eat crap and don't fall into a pattern of over eating and
buying more than than you need.
Cutting down on the added sugar must make a difference in evening out the Blood Sugar Roller Coaster. When my blood sugar drops, that's when I get cravings and make poor food choices.
On 01-06-21 08:41, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Maybe they have different price points in different countries. They
have a "value menu" section of items here that are relatively
inexpensive.
On 01-06-21 14:37, Moondog wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Prices must be higher in Oz. A quarter pounder deluxe meal is a
pricier item, and they run about $9 US with a medium fries and a Coke.
I prefer Culvers and Arby's but the lines at the drive thru are longer since there's currently no sit down servie due to covid. Five Guys is more of a pricier option, and not as close.
On 01-06-21 09:43, Tortillaretreat wrote to Andeddu (VERT/AMSTRAD) <=-
@VIA: VERT/CIAD
Well, since you work off those calories with lifting weights. But the majority of people spend a good part of their labor and leisure on
their ass but their diets don't reflect
that.
This illiustrates the problem I have with eating healthy meals at home. The shopping part is easy. Its fun to buy all the colorful vegies, peppers, and spices. But when I'm hungry, and its time to eat -- my patience is thin. At that point I'd much rather pop a frozen burrito in the oven, or make a quick PB&J then plan/prep/cook a balanced meal.
I guess I could do the "instant pot" thing and have stews and stuff prepaired in advance, which I could reheat. But it just seems very complicated.
Prices must be higher in Oz. A quarter pounder deluxe meal is a
Yeah, dunno, I don't follow the price of the burgers at McDonalds.
Some of the higher quality foods tend to be more pricy. But they are also more perishable. Sometimes we have to throw out some of the "fres food because it's spoiled.
It might be more difficult to sustain the mix of foods that
everyone wants in your household. But, I just need to look out
for myself - and I have never had to throw out any foods since I
converted to primarily plant-based. I usually just buy what I
can eat in a week or keep in the freezer.
Hello Bob!
** On Thursday 07.01.21 - 18:27, Bob Roberts wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:
This illiustrates the problem I have with eating healthy meals at home. The shopping part is easy. Its fun to buy all the colorful vegies, peppers, and spices. But when I'm hungry, and its time to eat -- my patience is thin. At that point I'd much rather pop a frozen burrito i the oven, or make a quick PB&J then plan/prep/cook a balanced meal.
I guess I could do the "instant pot" thing and have stews and stuff prepaired in advance, which I could reheat. But it just seems very complicated.
The slow cooker method is too easy! Just cut everything up, throw
it in, even it out, 4 it 8 hours later, it's done. Then you have
plenty to keep in the fridge for storage or freezer.
I made traditional beef stews and chilis like that for a while (pre-healthier days) ..cuz I used white potatoes or tended to
overeat. My goal at that time was convenience. But later I
substituted chicken for the beef, and avoided potatoes. And then
later still, I learned to limit total calories and have smaller
portions. The whole thing was gradual. But the weightloss
results were rewarding.
I also learned that many recipies are quite forgiving. Exact
portions are not critical. If there was a little inbalance, the
difference led to perceiving "variety" in the 3 or 4 standard
recipes that I was doing. And.. here's the secret.. if a recipe
seemed a bit bland, a little bit of Worchester sauce (in the
individual serving) fixed the problem. Worchester sauce fixes
anything! :D
Your instant pot idea would be a good start. The recipes for slow
vs fast cooker are generally the same, but the instant pot
obviously produces faster results. Start with simple recipes and
work your way up as you gain experience and confidence.
On 01-08-21 08:23, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Economists in the US have something they call the "Big Mac Index",
which is a sort of informal way of measuring purchasing power based on
the price of a McDonalds Big Mac. :P
I've been a big fan of using a slow cooker. My brother's girl friend opened his mind to using one, however when she uses it, she dumps in a bunch of soup stock that comes in a box. That along with the canned broth is way too salty for me.
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
It might be more difficult to sustain the mix of foods that
everyone wants in your household. But, I just need to look out
for myself - and I have never had to throw out any foods since I
converted to primarily plant-based. I usually just buy what I
can eat in a week or keep in the freezer.
I would make a stew or soup enough for several meals, then store
in the freezer in easy to thaw portions.
You can think of it as paying now for GOOD heath instead of
paying later for fixes, operations, and loss of work, etc.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Ogg <=-
Cutting down on the added sugar must make a difference in evening out
the Blood Sugar Roller Coaster. When my blood sugar drops, that's when
I get cravings and make poor food choices.
Bob Roberts wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
This illiustrates the problem I have with eating healthy meals at home.
The shopping part is easy. Its fun to buy all the colorful vegies, peppers, and spices. But when I'm hungry, and its time to eat -- my patience is thin. At that point I'd much rather pop a frozen burrito
in the oven, or make a quick PB&J then plan/prep/cook a balanced meal.
Ogg wrote to MRO <=-
primarily bacon and cheese. :D But the key was STILL not
exceed 20gm of carbs per day. That was tricky.
I have been maintaining a harvest in preparation for the COVID-aided apocalypse, and a big problem is dealing with the production overplus.
In the end of the day you have to turn lots of tomatoes, berries etc into processed products, or they just spoil (because you have no place to store them in natural form, and refrigeration only carries you so far).
I have been maintaining a harvest in preparation for the COVID-aided apocalypse, and a big problem is dealing with the production overplus.
Did you get a good crop of everything you wanted?
But that is a special case of "processed products". You are
employing healthy and natural ways to preserve it. You are not
using formaldehyde. ;) Even cooking something and freezing it
for future opportunities is much better than the commercial
offerings.
Re: burger (meat) itself
By: Ogg to Arelor on Sat Jan 09 2021 10:49 pm
I have been maintaining a harvest in preparation for theCOVID-aided A> apocalypse, and a big problem is dealing with the
production overplus.
Did you get a good crop of everything you wanted?
Yeah. I had such an over production that my horses had to help me rid of the surplus.
Star product were the tomatoes. You can turn those easily to jam. I also produced a load of potatoes, since I planted potatoes calculating I was going to lose 50% of the plants (this land is not great for potatoes) but ended up losing less than 15%. I think the difference was that, being unemployed and all trhat, I had the whole day to spare tending harvest so I could cut plague crisis short asap.
just can them all for later. another thing farmers do is plant a junk crop a run it over into the ground so it fertalizes and stabalizes the soil for nex year.
Ogg wrote to Moondog <=-
You don't have to follow her recipe exactly. There are low-sodium
broths you can get. Then, when you need a bit of zing, just add salt
to your portion, or use
Worcestershire sauce in your serving - the latter will "fix" anything.
Remember that things like soy sauce or Worchestershire sauce are basically liquid salt.
I've been a big fan of using a slow cooker. My brother's girl friend ope his mind to using one, however when she uses it, she dumps in a bunch of soup stock that comes in a box. That along with the canned broth is way salty for me.
You don't have to follow her recipe exactly. There are low-sodium broths you can get. Then, when you need a bit of zing, just add salt to your portion, use
Worcestershire sauce in your serving - the latter will "fix" anything.
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
It might be more difficult to sustain the mix of foods that
everyone wants in your household. But, I just need to look out
for myself - and I have never had to throw out any foods since I converted to primarily plant-based. I usually just buy what I
can eat in a week or keep in the freezer.
Freezing, for the most part, will make mush out of your fresh veggies and su
(It will depend on how fast
your freezer can freeze the food.) So for much fresh food, it simply doesn' work. (Well, not at home. I can't
afford a flash freezer.)
I would make a stew or soup enough for several meals, then store
in the freezer in easy to thaw portions.
That works much better. We'll do that as well.
But when you make a stew, you've broken down (i.e. processed) much of the natural fiber in the food.
It doesn't make it unhealthy, but it will reduce the healthiness.
Heat also destroys some nutrients in the food.
You can think of it as paying now for GOOD heath instead of
paying later for fixes, operations, and loss of work, etc.
Exactly. And those fresh veggies make me more full. Over time, you simply used to eating that way and liking it.
Which makes the long term benefits even better.
... When a cow laughs, does milk come up its nose?
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
Worcestershire sauce has a fairly different recipe and seems to have significantly less sodium than soy sauce.
Thanks. That's good to know. I haven't shopped Worchestershire sauce
in a while. The last one I looked at I think actually said that they
used soy sauce in their ingredients.
primarily bacon and cheese. :D But the key was STILL
not exceed 20gm of carbs per day. That was tricky.
That's a pretty low amount of carbs! Atkins has you do
"induction" for 2 weeks, sticking to 20g of carbs; after 2
weeks you're supposed to keep adding 10G of carbs per day
for a week until you get to a point where you maintain your
weight, then dial back by 10g.
The 20g level was hard to keep up for extended periods of
time.
Did you get a good crop of everything you wanted?
Yeah. I had such an over production that my horses had to
help me rid of the surplus.
Star product were the tomatoes. You can turn those easily to
jam. I also produced a load of potatoes, since I planted
potatoes calculating I was going to lose 50% of the plants
(this land is not great for potatoes) but ended up losing
less than 15%. I think the difference was that, being
unemployed and all trhat, I had the whole day to spare
tending harvest so I could cut plague crisis short asap.
Worcestershire sauce in your serving - the latter will
"fix" anything.
Remember that things like soy sauce or Worchestershire
sauce are basically liquid salt.
But you to bring up a good point: There are ways of
enhancing your food other than loading it up with salt.
We always seemed to have strong vibrant potato plants (primarily
due to the seasoned manure from the farm animals). But the one
thing that would attack the plant were the potato beatles. Some
people could just squish them with their fingers, but I couldn't
bring myself to do that. The potato powder was the goto
solution for me.
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
I'd be surprised if they did.. Soy sauce is traditionally used on
Asian food, and Worcestershire sauce is originally from England, as far
as I know.
Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
All the majot diet types have a couple things in common:
[1] eat less (do NOT exceed a certain CAL intake/day)
[2] increase exercise.
We only get fat if we open the mouth and keep shoving more food
into it than the body needs.
I'd be surprised if they did.. Soy sauce is traditionally
used on Asian food, and Worcestershire sauce is originally
from England, as far as I know.
Ya, it surprised me too. It might just have been some
cheap stuff that I had at the time.
I did find a bottle of Lea & Perrins in our cupboard
yesterday and looked at the ingredients. I noticed the low
sodium.
But I also noticed that ingredients 2 and 3 were "sugar"
and "molasses" (i.e. sugar). But it's not something to
worry about since you typically don't have much of it.
Ogg wrote to Dr. What <=-
My bottle of L&P sauce says 1tsp=55mg sodium.
I did find a bottle of Lea & Perrins in our cupboard
yesterday and looked at the ingredients. I noticed the low
sodium.
I watched a video showing a couple of rice cooker recipes.
One had 1 tablespoon of light soy, 1 tablespoon of dark
soy, and one tablespoon of oyster sauce. That's a ton of
sodium!
I eat a very low-sodium, diet without a lot of processed
foods. When we order in and get a pizza, 1-2 hours later
I'm insatiably thirsty from the salt way over my normal
intake.
My local bakery/deli produces pizza during the day and sells
just the slices. I've noticed that just the dough part can be
extremely salty. It tastes pretty good, but then I've been
finding ways to wash it down or remove the intensity. I don't
buy the stuff anymore.
On a forum I used to frequent there was a member who blamed all the troubles of modern society on fast food. I explained to him I could make the same food at home in the same portions and abuse my body without a red and yellow clown. Upon further conversations, he gave in and mentioned he was recovering from a behavioral eating disorder, and blaming McDonalds was a form of displacement of the true reasons he would over indulge in fast food.
Reasonable intake and a balanced diet with relation to your amount of or lack of
physical activity is hard for people to comprehend. Back in the early years of the Oprah show, Oprah had a panel of guests who attributed their weight loss to various gimmick diets, and one who claimed all she did was apply self control and increased her activity level. Oprah pretty much ignored her and asked her the least amount of questions, then about a year later she did a show where she celebrated losing 60 pounds. Guess which method her trainer put her on? It was a slap in the face for that guest.
For the most part, if you stick to foods made from whole sourcing
(meats, eggs, fish, vegetables) most of the time, even with red meat,
and limited the intake of seed ("vegetable") oils like canola, palm and
soy oils. Avoiding refined foods altogether along with limiting modern
grain intake to maybe a meal a week, most people would fare dramatically
better.
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like that.
I'm able to manage when sticking to the above dietary constraints. I doAs someone alergic to legumes and diabetic, I generally just stick to
real meat, fish and eggs.
so are you going to be able to reverse your diabetes?
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like
Really? Buying fresh food and cooking it yourself is often cheaper. Eating out at McDonalds is horrendously expensive.
Let's see - fresh vegerables and meat for a week's dinners is around $75 (around $11/day). And that includes a bonus lunch or two from leftovers.
One McDonalds meal, was around $20 last time I bought a full meal there (not a
lot of choice, was either Maccas or KFC - best of a bad lot in this particular
town).
Granted, buying 100% free-range, organics at first could be
expensive. I don't buy free-range or organics each and every
time. I don't go out of my way (extra travel) to visit farmers,
for example. I just started eliminating processed foods,
starches and sugar. That cut a significant $ out of the weekly
list. Then.. eating better, you feel better, don't feel the need
to eat crap and don't fall into a pattern of over eating and
buying more than than you need.
The dietary guidelines on cholesterol were rolled back in 2011-2013, and
the guidelines on saturated fat dramatically reduced from 2017. In
particular most refined seed oils are worse than the combination of fats
found in red meat.
You're better off eating red meat alone from a fast food place than
*anything* fried from the same location.
According to the "science" I should probably have died of heart disease by now.
My staple is 4-5 eggs each morning along with an unflavoured protein shake with
milk. I have a light lunch or skip it all together and then for dinner I tend to have two steaks and potatoes with greens. Junk food wise, I'll have a packet
of crisps and some natural Greek yoghurt. I have maintained a body fat percentage of around 10% or less for many years, depending on the season, and still feel great in my mid-30s. I religiously lift weights and do gym work but
not a great deal of cardio as I care more about my appearance more than anything else. I'll have a carb blowout once per week but sometimes I can afford to do it twice without any noticable detriment. I have had my blood pressure checked, etc... which appears to be perfectly fine and my BMI is around 23-24.
Sometimes I am baffled at the struggles people face to lose weight. When I was
bulking up many years ago I was 2 stone heavier than I am now (BMI=27.5). I lost around a stone of that fat with no problem whatsoever and thereafter lost
the muscle shortly after due to injury... I never really got back to that size
again preferring to aim for a gymnast style physique. I understand that the people who suffer chronic illnesses and immobility can struggle, but the rest of the population have no excuse not to be a normal weight.
Economists in the US have something they call the "Big Mac
Index", which is a sort of informal way of measuring
purchasing power based on the price of a McDonalds Big Mac.
and soy oils. Avoiding refined foods altogether along with limiting
modern grain intake to maybe a meal a week, most people would fare
dramatically better.
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like
that.
You'd be surprised... if you consider most people eat out at least once
a day in the US, it's relatively easy to do it. I think it's much more
One McDonalds meal, was around $20 last time I bought a full meal there
On 01-21-21 18:12, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I spend a bit more than that a week, but even then it's still way less than eating out... when eating out, I was generally spending between $20-40/day just for me. About 2-dozen eggs (pasture raised, $10-12), 4-pack of steaks ($40) or wild fish, sardines/mackerel, 3# ground beef ($20, grass fed), maybe $10-20 on infrequent things avg. $30-40 or so
on veg. for two weeks, then usually a smaller shop ~$40 on non-payday weeks.
You'd be surprised... if you consider most people eat out at least once
a day in the US, it's relatively easy to do it. I think it's much more about laziness than cost.
One McDonalds meal, was around $20 last time I bought a full meal
there
Wait, $20 for a meal at McDonald's? What in the hell are you eating? Even at my worst, when I would stress eat, I'd drop $12. Now days, if I even go there, it's something like $5 or $6.
Wait, $20 for a meal at McDonald's? What in the hell are you eating? Even at my worst, when I would stress eat, I'd drop $12. Now days, if I even go there, it's something like $5 or $6.
You're replying to Tracker1, but you're quoting something I think Vk3jed said. Vk3jed is in Australia, and food pricing can be different in different countries. Also, that may be Australian dollars. Right now, AU$20 is US$15.44
You'd be surprised... if you consider most people eat out at least once a day in the US, it's relatively easy to do it. I think it's much more about laziness than cost.
I don't think most people I know eat out at least once a day.
It isn't *JUST* McDonalds and isn't even just over-eating... Modern
wheat and corn are very different than half a century ago. Wheat in particular has about 20x the histamine effect of heritage grains and a
much higher level of intolerance (despite too many followers hopping on
the gluten bandwagon). Not to mention a much higher correlation to
heart disease with refined vegetable oils and trans-fats. Also doesn't consider the amount of soy intake in general compared to the 1960's.
For the most part, if you're sticking to unprocessed products most of
the time and minimizing anything refined or GMO most of the time, many
feel significantly better.
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Michael J. Ryan
tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS
On 1/4/2021 11:00 PM, MRO wrote:
For the most part, if you stick to foods made from whole sourcing
(meats, eggs, fish, vegetables) most of the time, even with red meat,
and limited the intake of seed ("vegetable") oils like canola, palm and >> soy oils. Avoiding refined foods altogether along with limiting modern
grain intake to maybe a meal a week, most people would fare dramatically >> better.
yeah but that gets expensive. most people can't afford to eat like that.
You'd be surprised... if you consider most people eat out at least once
a day in the US, it's relatively easy to do it. I think it's much more about laziness than cost.
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Michael J. Ryan
tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS
Tracker1 wrote to Moondog <=-
It isn't *JUST* McDonalds and isn't even just over-eating... Modern
wheat and corn are very different than half a century ago.
For the most part, if you're sticking to unprocessed products most of
the time and minimizing anything refined or GMO most of the time, many feel significantly better.
Tracker1 wrote to MRO <=-
You'd be surprised... if you consider most people eat out at least once
a day in the US, it's relatively easy to do it. I think it's much more about laziness than cost.
Moondog wrote to Tracker1 <=-
No argument there. Processed grains and "breads" used to be considered
a majo r building block in people's meals, however I feel that's more because of product availability.
ri se, settle, or render down, and it's easier to buy a bowl of gumbo that to spend a couple hours babysitting simmering pots all day. If you wanted
Tracker1 wrote to MRO <=-
You'd be surprised... if you consider most people eat out at least
once a day in the US, it's relatively easy to do it. I think it's
much more about laziness than cost.
But that's been the case since Kellogg and C.W. Post. Breakfast cereals came about because
people didn't "have the time" to make a breakfast.
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
I don't think most people I know eat out at least once a day.
Personally, I eat out sometimes, but not every day. There are many
times when I'll heat up something frozen for dinner, but I suppose
there's an amount of laziness factor there in not feeling like cooking after I get home from work.
Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-
I don't think most people I know eat out at least once a day.
Personally, I eat out sometimes, but not every day. There are many
times when I'll heat up something frozen for dinner, but I suppose
there's an amount of laziness factor there in not feeling like
cooking after I get home from work.
I love working from home. I'll make a pot of vegetable stew during a break from calls. Start with a half an onion, half a pepper and a clove or two of garlic, diced. sautee until the onions start to sweat. Add in vegetables (kale, chopped squash, zucchini, frozen corn, sliced mushrooms, cauliflower really, whatever I have in the fridge at the time) and a can of beans - usually cannelini or garbanzo beans. Add vegetable broth to
But that's been the case since Kellogg and C.W. Post. Breakfast
cereals came about because
people didn't "have the time" to make a breakfast.
WRONG! it was supposed to stop us from masturbating!
I love working from home. I'll make a pot of vegetable stew during
a break from calls. Start with a half an onion, half a pepper and a
so you arent working. you are spending a bunch of time doing other shit.
MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
so you arent working. you are spending a bunch of time doing other
shit.
Re: Re: burger (meat) itself
By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Jan 23 2021 04:03 pm
But that's been the case since Kellogg and C.W. Post. Breakfast
cereals came about because
people didn't "have the time" to make a breakfast.
WRONG! it was supposed to stop us from masturbating!
Wasn't it just Kellogg's Corn Flakes that was supposed to curb masturbation? I also read theories that Kellogg promoted circumcision to try to curb masturbation in males..
Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jan 23 2021 11:07 pm
I love working from home. I'll make a pot of vegetable stew during
a break from calls. Start with a half an onion, half a pepper and a
so you arent working. you are spending a bunch of time doing other
shit.
He said during a break from calls. You realize that breaks are a thing, right? Do you get breaks where you work? At least a lunch break? I thought most states had a law where employers must allow for breaks (usually I think at least one lunch break for salaried workers, and for hourly, depending on how many hours you work).
i think most people that 'work from home' arent really working much. and i think they're drinking too.
Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jan 24 2021 10:37 pm
i think most people that 'work from home' arent really working much.
and i think they're drinking too.
lol, okay...
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/more-people-drinking-while-working-fr om- home-during-covid19
Tracker1 wrote to MRO <=-
You'd be surprised... if you consider most people eat out at least once a day in the US, it's relatively easy to do it. I think it's much more about laziness than cost.
But that's been the case since Kellogg and C.W. Post. Breakfast cereals cam about because
people didn't "have the time" to make a breakfast.
... When an Agnostic dies, does he go to the Great Perhaps?
Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jan 26 2021 06:49 pm
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/more-people-drinking-while-work
ing-fr om- home-during-covid19
It's a big problem in the UK. I know a lot of people who are polishing off 2-3 extra bottles of wine each week because they're stuck in the house working remotely or doing nothing all day.
Dr Kellogg was a vegan and anti sugar. He ran a health retreat with his brother, and his brother was interested in marketting their health products to
a larger customer base. The doctor asked the brother to find an ingredient
Re: Re: burger (meat) itself
By: Moondog to Tracker1 on Fri Jan 22 2021 08:42 pm
ri se, settle, or render down, and it's easier to buy a bowl of gumbo t to spend a couple hours babysitting simmering pots all day. If you want
"a couple hours"
"all day"
;)
Nightfox
Moondog wrote to Dr. What <=-
Patients were probably getting better due to detoxification and lighter calori c count and physical activity rather than pounding down corn flakes.
Andeddu wrote to MRO <=-
It's a big problem in the UK. I know a lot of people who are polishing
off 2-3 extra bottles of wine each week because they're stuck in the
house working remotely or doing nothing all day.
i have to show up but i barely do anything. since my mom died and my friend blew his brains out i was getting like 1-2 hrs of sleep and i was a zombie at work. i'd sleep for a microsecond and wake myself up snoring.
when i DO have something to do i hammer it out like nobody else, though.
what i'm saying is i want a bed or one of those google sleep pod things at work.
what i'm saying is i want a bed or one of those google sleep pod
things at
work.
It's commendable and stoic of you to be able to bash out a shift after getting bugger all sleep. It's happened to me a few times in my career and it's nasty. I can't operate without a good night's sleep.
A sleeping pod would be a fantastic thing to have at work... I'd be in that fucker every day for quick nap after lunch.
oh i'm a tough fucker. i have had 2 full time jobs. the 2nd job was 4 10 hr days. i was working every day of the week.
Hello Mro!
** On Saturday 30.01.21 - 17:05, MRO wrote to Andeddu:
oh i'm a tough fucker. i have had 2 full time jobs. the 2nd job was
4 10 hr days. i was working every day of the week.
Doing what?
oh i'm a tough fucker. i have had 2 full time jobs. the 2nd job was 4 10 hr days. i was working every day of the week. on the days where i had one job it was like a long sweet vacation. that stuff was messing me up, though. i was getting hypertension and i wasnt healing when i'd get sore.
10 hr days. i was working every day of the week. on the days where i
had one job it was like a long sweet vacation. that stuff was messing
me up, though. i was getting hypertension and i wasnt healing when i'd
get sore.
Good job. At least no one can say you've ever been work-shy... just don't take it too far otherwise you'll end up in an early grave due to health issues, the body isn't made for that level of exertion. I just bash out my
i also saw people bashing amazon and said they were slave
drivers and the work was so hard and i had to try it to see
for myself. it's not hard work. people are just lazy and
don't like coming to work. -+-
Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Jan 24 2021 10:37 pm
i think most people that 'work from home' arent really working much. an think they're drinking too.
lol, okay...
Nightfox
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jan 25 2021 08:09 am^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Re: Re: burger (meat) itself isn't the problem
By: Cyberpope to Nightfox on Thu Aug 26 2021 03:56 pm
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Jan 25 2021 08:09 am^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
HEY, please update your msg pointers.
you are replying to posts from last january.
I know; I was just scrolling down looking for any posts I could jump into, to get into this echo. . . :) Nothing current to "All"
& figured I'd just jump in on anything that looked half-assed interesting. .
I've not yet figured out how to get my point wrking, so I'm limited by BBS interface, too. . . :)
I know; I was just scrolling down looking for any posts I could jump into, to get into this echo. . . :) Nothing current to "All"
& figured I'd just jump in on anything that looked half-assed interesting. .
I've not yet figured out how to get my point working, so I'm limited by BBS interface, too. . . :)
are you using one of those weird point and shoot msg listers?
those things are shitty.
on the default synchrononet interface hit & for msg scan configcan
choose set new-scan pointers
then set the date.
another thing in this menu that i use a lot that you might like is the [I] reintialize new-scan pointers
if you want to go back and read all the new msgs since you logged in you
scan it again.
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