Hello Tracker1!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 09:54, tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed:

On 12/31/2020 10:47 PM, Vk3jed wrote:

Mind you, looks for me aren't actually a goal, they're just a nice bonus
side effect. :)

Because people want a quick/easy button solution... Restraint
and hard work aren't easy. Not eating easy/quick/convenient
junk food isn't really easy either.

It *is* easy from the perspective that I walk down the same isles
everyone else does. What I think that makes junk food hard to
resist is cost. People will opt for the cheaper varieties of
things to feed their families - and by then, they've already
fallen prey to the addictive nature of those products too.

I feel really sorry for a clearly overweight individual when I
only see packaged convenience foods in their cart and nothing
fresh or of the wholefood variety.

I've been a pretty big fan of mostly paleo, most of the time
for a long while now, and keto if you're diabetic and/or trying
to lose a bit of weight.

Paleo has been debunked wrt to meat being the primary source of
food. "Back in the day", meat was not as plentiful and as easy
to obtain as paleo wants to suggest.

Bottom line.. prioritize wholefoods and just don't over eat.

Of course, getting even an extra half hour of walking or
lifting heavy things daily is the second part, which most
people also don't actually do.

Again, back in the day.. families were occuppied by chores and
lots of physical work at home.

I'm not the best personal example, I'm fat with a lot of
medical issues... I just happen to feel better the closer I
stick to just fish, meat, eggs and greens. That makes other
things easier to do... but social cues and cravings still
persist.

Knowing what is causing your medical issues (from a dietary point
of view) and recognizing their contribution to the problems, is a
good beginning to better things.

On my road to recovery, I simply threw out all processed sugar
(everything from cubed-sugar still sitting around from the 80s!
to bagged Redpath) nearly 30lbs of that stuff, bagged flour,
white pasta, cereal, cookies and bread. Once it was out of the
house, I delt with the cravings as best I could ..but eventually
it all went away! And.. I stopped going down the aisles were
all the processed foods were stored.

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Re: Not eating...junk food isn't really easy either.
By: Ogg to All on Sun Jan 03 2021 02:24 pm

On my road to recovery, I simply threw out all processed sugar
(everything from cubed-sugar still sitting around from the 80s!
to bagged Redpath) nearly 30lbs of that stuff, bagged flour,
white pasta, cereal, cookies and bread. Once it was out of the
house, I delt with the cravings as best I could ..but eventually
it all went away! And.. I stopped going down the aisles were
all the processed foods were stored.

I have heard good levels of Chromium help with the cravings.

At least that is what a nutritionist here recommends to a lot of people.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 17:40, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

white pasta, cereal, cookies and bread. Once it was out of the
house, I delt with the cravings as best I could ..but eventually
it all went away! And.. I stopped going down the aisles were
all the processed foods were stored.

I have heard good levels of Chromium help with the cravings.

At least that is what a nutritionist here recommends to a lot of people.

I never researched the anti-cravings techniques with supplements.
I was ok in my head that I did not want any sugar shit anymore.
In the meantime, I merely drank a lot more water, reached for a
fat-bomb (tsp of peanut butter, or some cashews, or a little
honey with 1/2 banana), frozen wild blue-berries or had an
avocado. Plenty of natural wholefood choices. That worked for me.

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On 1/3/2021 12:24 PM, Ogg wrote:

Because people want a quick/easy button solution... Restraint
and hard work aren't easy. Not eating easy/quick/convenient
junk food isn't really easy either.

It *is* easy from the perspective that I walk down the same isles
everyone else does. What I think that makes junk food hard to
resist is cost. People will opt for the cheaper varieties of
things to feed their families - and by then, they've already
fallen prey to the addictive nature of those products too.

They aren't cheaper than buying groceries and making your own foods.
What they are is convenient, half made or easier to make. There's also
of course an abundance of foods that the govt is subsidizing and grown
in massive quanities... wheat, soy and corn are super cheap compared to
any vegetables. And they're then used as filler for other "foods".

I feel really sorry for a clearly overweight individual when I
only see packaged convenience foods in their cart and nothing
fresh or of the wholefood variety.

I mostly eat fish, eggs, meat and greens. It's not cheap, but it's not
as expensive as one might expect. The more I stick to that, the better
I feel. When I have a pasta dinner, or a sandwich with bread, I just
don't feel well. Let alone anything with sugar anymore.

I've been a pretty big fan of mostly paleo, most of the time
for a long while now, and keto if you're diabetic and/or trying
to lose a bit of weight.

Paleo has been debunked wrt to meat being the primary source of
food. "Back in the day", meat was not as plentiful and as easy
to obtain as paleo wants to suggest.

Not just meat, but also fish. And it depends on where in the world your ancestors are/were. I think another big part is avoiding the big
agriculture sourced foods, modern grains, sugars all in excess of what
would have been typical even a couple hundred years ago. not to mention
how different the response to modern wheat is compared to heirloom grains.

Bottom line.. prioritize wholefoods and just don't over eat.

I mostly agree.

I'm not the best personal example, I'm fat with a lot of
medical issues... I just happen to feel better the closer I
stick to just fish, meat, eggs and greens. That makes other
things easier to do... but social cues and cravings still
persist.

Knowing what is causing your medical issues (from a dietary point
of view) and recognizing their contribution to the problems, is a
good beginning to better things.

On my road to recovery, I simply threw out all processed sugar
(everything from cubed-sugar still sitting around from the 80s!
to bagged Redpath) nearly 30lbs of that stuff, bagged flour,
white pasta, cereal, cookies and bread. Once it was out of the
house, I delt with the cravings as best I could ..but eventually
it all went away! And.. I stopped going down the aisles were
all the processed foods were stored.

Similar... Though another minor thing is the 3oz dixie cups are great
for restraint. If you're having some berries, or nuts, one of those
cups is just about the right amount to have... maybe more than a
serving, but less than overdoing it, which is easy to do.

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Re: Re: Not eating...junk food isn't really easy either.
By: Tracker1 to Ogg on Mon Jan 04 2021 03:18 pm

I mostly eat fish, eggs, meat and greens. It's not cheap, but it's not

Isn't fish a type of meat? Just wondering why you listed fish separately.

Nightfox

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Nightfox wrote to Tracker1 <=-

I mostly eat fish, eggs, meat and greens. It's not cheap, but it's not

Isn't fish a type of meat? Just wondering why you listed fish
separately.

I suppose it is meat, but as the author did, I tend to group them as
different categories. I guess "meat" infers "red meat" to many of us.



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Re: Re: Not eating...junk food isn't really easy either.
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Tue Jan 05 2021 08:37 am

Re: Re: Not eating...junk food isn't really easy either.
By: Tracker1 to Ogg on Mon Jan 04 2021 03:18 pm

I mostly eat fish, eggs, meat and greens. It's not cheap, but it's
not

Isn't fish a type of meat? Just wondering why you listed fish separately.

Nightfox

most fish has parasits too, and they dont even know if flash freezing kills it all.
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Re: Re: Not eating...junk food isn't really easy either.
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Tue Jan 05 2021 01:57 pm

Isn't fish a type of meat? Just wondering why you listed fish
separately.

I suppose it is meat, but as the author did, I tend to group them as different categories. I guess "meat" infers "red meat" to many of us.

Really? I've always considered meat to be from any animal, including chicken and pork (not just read meats).. If you consider meat only to be read meat, then wouldn't chicken and pork be separate?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Not eating...junk food isn't really easy either.
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jan 06 2021 12:34 am

Isn't fish a type of meat? Just wondering why you listed fish
separately.

most fish has parasits too, and they dont even know if flash freezing kills it all.

I don't know what that has to do with my question about fish being a meat..

Nightfox

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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

Isn't fish a type of meat? Just wondering why you listed fish
separately.

I suppose it is meat, but as the author did, I tend to group them as different categories. I guess "meat" infers "red meat" to many of us.

Really? I've always considered meat to be from any animal,
including chicken and pork (not just read meats).. If you
consider meat only to be read meat, then wouldn't chicken and
pork be separate?

Well, yes, I mis-spoke with the "red meat" part... So to recap,
speaking for myself (but I think many/most other people too), I'd
include red-meat, chicken, pork in the "meat" category, but still
think "fish" is another category. Perhaps I'd be willing to call
things like fish, shrimp, crab, etc as "seafood" which is also a
different category than "meat".



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Re: Re: Not eating...junk food isn't really easy either.
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jan 06 2021 08:39 am

Re: Re: Not eating...junk food isn't really easy either.
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jan 06 2021 12:34 am

Isn't fish a type of meat? Just wondering why you listed fish
separately.

most fish has parasits too, and they dont even know if flash
freezing kills it all.

I don't know what that has to do with my question about fish being a meat..

you dont know that fish is a fucking meat? you think fish is a plant?

they're talking about eating fish and i'm saying it has parasites.
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I mostly eat fish, eggs, meat and greens. It's not cheap, but it's not

Isn't fish a type of meat? Just wondering why you listed fish separately.

Some people treat it differently when it comes to diet. Like they might
eat fish, and even poultry, but won't eat "meat" meaning red meat or pork.


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Re: Re: Not eating...junk food isn't really easy either.
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jan 06 2021 07:08 pm

most fish has parasits too, and they dont even know if flash
freezing kills it all.

I don't know what that has to do with my question about fish being
a meat..

you dont know that fish is a fucking meat? you think fish is a plant?

That's not what I said.. I think fish is a meat. It was someone else who listed fish separately from meat, and I was questioning them.

Nightfox

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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

Really? I've always considered meat to be from any animal, including chicken and pork (not just read meats).. If you consider meat only to
be read meat, then wouldn't chicken and pork be separate?

This idea is really old. You have meat - meaning the flesh of land animals - and fish.

Some religions didn't eat meat on Fridays during certain times of the year.
But fish was OK because it wasn't "meat".


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Re: Re: Not eating...junk foo
By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Thu Jan 07 2021 10:17 am

Really? I've always considered meat to be from any animal,
including chicken and pork (not just read meats).. If you consider
meat only to be read meat, then wouldn't chicken and pork be
separate?

This idea is really old. You have meat - meaning the flesh of land animals - and fish.

Some religions didn't eat meat on Fridays during certain times of the year. But fish was OK because it wasn't "meat".

Interesting.. I must not have gotten the memo. I'd never heard the definition of meat as only from land animals.

Nightfox

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On 06 Jan 2021, Dumas Walker said the following...

Some people treat it differently when it comes to diet. Like they might eat fish, and even poultry, but won't eat "meat" meaning red meat or pork.

Nirvana - Something in the Way:

"It's okay to eat fish 'cause they don't have any feelings"


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Re: Re: Not eating...junk food isn't really easy either.
By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Jan 07 2021 08:30 am

That's not what I said.. I think fish is a meat. It was someone else who listed fish separately from meat, and I was questioning them.

Nightfox

I am well aware that fish is a type of meat but it's usually not categorised as a meat in relation to the food groups. The nutritional value of fish is generally a lot higher than red meat or even poultry... that's probably why the Japanese have such a high life expectancy; their diet mostly revolves around fish/seafood.

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Re: Re: Not eating...junk foo
By: Warpslide to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 07 2021 04:15 pm

On 06 Jan 2021, Dumas Walker said the following...

Some people treat it differently when it comes to diet. Like they
might eat fish, and even poultry, but won't eat "meat" meaning red
meat or pork.

Nirvana - Something in the Way:

"It's okay to eat fish 'cause they don't have any feelings"

oh yeah fish have feelings. i've had some die of a broken heart.
they get scared and feel sad.
i've been breeding fish for like 14 years.
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Re: Re: Not eating...junk foo
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Jan 06 2021 02:49 pm

Some people treat it differently when it comes to diet. Like they might eat fish, and even poultry, but won't eat "meat" meaning red meat or pork.

Like my wife. Who won't eat pork but loves bacon.
But who can blame her.... bacon is delicious!

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Re: Re: Not eating...junk foo
By: Bob Roberts to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 07 2021 07:14 pm

Some people treat it differently when it comes to diet. Like they
might eat fish, and even poultry, but won't eat "meat" meaning red
meat or pork.

Like my wife. Who won't eat pork but loves bacon.
But who can blame her.... bacon is delicious!

So does she actually eat bacon though? Seeing that bacon is pork..

Nightfox

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On 07 Jan 2021, Bob Roberts said the following...

But who can blame her.... bacon is delicious!

...bacon is life!


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Re: Re: Not eating...junk foo
By: Nightfox to Bob Roberts on Fri Jan 08 2021 08:21 am

Like my wife. Who won't eat pork but loves bacon.
But who can blame her.... bacon is delicious!

So does she actually eat bacon though? Seeing that bacon is pork..

Yes. Bacon with breakfast, bacon on a deviled egg. Sure.
Pork chop? No. Pork Sausage? No.

I can't figure it out.

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Nirvana - Something in the Way:

"It's okay to eat fish 'cause they don't have any feelings"

Something in the way, oooo, ooooo...
Something in the way, yeah, oooo, ooooo...

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Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-

Some religions didn't eat meat on Fridays during certain times of the year. But fish was OK because it wasn't "meat".

Interesting.. I must not have gotten the memo. I'd never heard the definition of meat as only from land animals.

If you were never exposed to people of those religions, you never would have known.

It made no sence to me when I got old enough to think about it. But later on I found that most rules in religions don't make sence.


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Warpslide wrote to Bob Roberts <=-

But who can blame her.... bacon is delicious!

...bacon is life!

Bacon makes everything taste better.
Chocolate makes everything taste better too.

Ever had chocolate covered bacon? It was AWESOME!

My taste buds were calm for a week after that. They had reached Nirvana eating chocolate covered bacon.


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Re: Re: Not eating...junk foo
By: Dr. What to Warpslide on Sat Jan 09 2021 03:51 pm

Bacon makes everything taste better.
Chocolate makes everything taste better too.

Ever had chocolate covered bacon? It was AWESOME!

Candied bacon is pretty good. I believe they just coat it in sugar before frying it. (Ogg would love it!) I've had that but not chocolate bacon.

I know it was trendy for awhile for bars to serve maple bacon as a garnish for a drink such as an Old Fashioned or Bourbon.

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Bob Roberts wrote to Nightfox <=-

Yes. Bacon with breakfast, bacon on a deviled egg. Sure.
Pork chop? No. Pork Sausage? No.

I have seen pork chops on the menu at our local diner on the coast. My favorite old-school diner in Oakland used to have "Ham steaks" as a meat option on all of their dishes.

I think the key is a good, buttery sear. A dry slab of ham or pork chop wouldn't cut it.

Another entry in the "No Thanks" column - chicken apple sausage. It's gotta
be pork.

And, now I'm hungry. I have leftover ground beef from making tacos last
night Cotija cheese and some spanish rice, I'm thinking omelettes.


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Re: Re: Not eating...junk foo
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bob Roberts on Sat Jan 09 2021 07:16 am

Another entry in the "No Thanks" column - chicken apple sausage. It's gotta
be pork.

I love any type of sausage. They're all good... for breakfast, for dinner with mustard. It will be the death of me I'm sure.

And, now I'm hungry. I have leftover ground beef from making tacos last night Cotija cheese and some spanish rice, I'm thinking omelettes.

Sounds good. Or Egg burritos..... mmmm.

Mexican food is the best. Sometimes I make burritos out of left over chinese food and my wife makes a face. But whats wrong with chicken chow-mein in a tortilla with cheese and salsa?

Not much if you ask me.

Bob Roberts

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On 1/5/2021 9:37 AM, Nightfox wrote:

I mostly eat fish, eggs, meat and greens. It's not cheap, but it's not

Isn't fish a type of meat? Just wondering why you listed fish separately.

IMHO absolutely... some think of "meat" as only read meat/beef
specifically... so usually mentioned separately just to avoid conflation/confusion.

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