• Floyd

    From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, August 01, 2020 19:26:29
    Hello Tim,

    Actually, I made a very narrow painting showing only a few examples that >DS>came to mind. Those who have lived the black life in America could make >DS>a listing that goes on for hundreds of lines.


    One question:


    Are *you* black? Straight `yes' or `no'.


    NO. Are you a person of color?


    Yeah I am; I'm white!

    According to Louisiana's one drop black rule might very well make
    you a black man. Or least colored. Many other states also had that
    same law on their books. So what makes you think you are white?

    BTW......there are so many great examples of people who
    are or were black, growing up in the face of poor beginnings, who succeeded
    in their lives to a huge extent. Herman Cain is just one.

    Herman Cain and his 9-9-9 plan is dead, killed by his beloved
    president who told him not to bother wearing a mask during his
    rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

    There are many others. And a lot of them are highly successful and extremely
    wealthy.

    Every single person on the face of this planet has some black
    blood, given we are all descendents of the original Adam and Eve.

    Hussein Obama; who couldn't even speak in honor of a great American's
    funreal without turning it into a political circus by bad mouthing the present administration; is filthy rich, owns an estate on Martha's
    Vineyard.

    President Obama is proud to call himself a black man. So is
    President Clinton. I am sure President Biden will also be very
    proud to do so, once he is sworn into office.

    Of course, being a particularly odious hunk of dog dirt, his diatribe of >leftie tripe came as no surprise. However....I wonder how much the family of >the deceased man he was there to eulogize appreciated the sorry son of a
    bitch turning such a solemn moment into a democrat three ring circus? It
    was almost as bad as what the leftie filth did at Paul Wellstone's funeral.

    President Obama showed the world how much more he cares about others
    after eulogizing John Lewis by donning a face covering when leaving
    the stage. It's too bad the current occupant of the White House has no
    sense to have the decency to do the same.

    Democrats don't just suck eggs....they're filth!

    President George W. Bush also attended the funeral for John Lewis.
    He is a Republican. Does that make him the same kind of "filth" as
    you have called President Obama and President Clinton, along with
    all other Democrats?

    Have to go find a good tagline.....back in a flash.....

    "Joe Biden; After 48 years he's still running on his promises; none of
    which have ever been kept!"

    Oh, yeah. Joe Biden, as well as his wife, also wore a face mask.
    As the body of John Lewis was lying in state at the nation's Capitol.
    What an honorable couple!

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, August 01, 2020 19:26:36
    Hello Tim,

    If people get arrested or shot at a traffic stop, it's their own dam >GD>fault.

    Bull crap.

    Trayvon was not gunned down in cold blood as you have suggested, as it >GD>turned out he was up to no good, he died because he tried to take the >GD>gun from Zimmerman.

    He tried to protect himself after he was accosted and threatened.

    That is a bald-faced lie! You know the same as everyone else knows the kid >jumped out of some bushes a attacked Zimmerman. He was holding Zimmermen
    down
    while pounding him in the face. He got shot assaulting someone he should
    have
    left alone.

    Lemme see if I got this right.
    White guy pulls a gun on black kid.
    Black kid tries to run away.
    White guy shoots black kid dead.
    Did I get that right?

    Your attempt to twist the truth is typical of you.

    The truth? You can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson said it first.
    When he was in the Army, trying to instruct a student ...

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, August 02, 2020 17:32:19
    On 01 Aug 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Tim,

    If people get arrested or shot at a traffic stop, it's their own dam >GD>fault.

    Bull crap.

    Trayvon was not gunned down in cold blood as you have suggested, as it >GD>turned out he was up to no good, he died because he tried to take the >GD>gun from Zimmerman.

    He tried to protect himself after he was accosted and threatened.

    That is a bald-faced lie! You know the same as everyone else knows the ki >jumped out of some bushes a attacked Zimmerman. He was holding Zimmermen
    down
    while pounding him in the face. He got shot assaulting someone he should
    have
    left alone.

    Lemme see if I got this right.
    White guy pulls a gun on black kid.
    Black kid tries to run away.
    White guy shoots black kid dead.
    Did I get that right?

    Your attempt to twist the truth is typical of you.

    The truth? You can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson said it first.
    When he was in the Army, trying to instruct a student ...

    and Jack it say it again directly to you at the same volume and awesome
    acting ability that everyone is aware of.

    I'll it again just in case you missed the first time

    George Zimmerman was acquitted.

    You can harp on this all you wish with your folly of useless points, but it's not going to prove the narrative or point.

    We already know where this phony outrage is coming from. it's
    familiar because it is this is seen nightly as the light from the TV fills the living rooms with what is really going on, which proves our point.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 03, 2020 06:31:16
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    This message includes the transcript of the trial -

    Lemme see if I got this right.
    White guy pulls a gun on black kid.
    Black kid tries to run away.
    White guy shoots black kid dead.
    Did I get that right?
    Your attempt to twist the truth is typical of you.
    The truth? You can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson said it first. >LL>When he was in the Army, trying to instruct a student ...

    and Jack it say it again directly to you at the same volume and awesome >acting ability that everyone is aware of.

    Did he? What did Jack really say? Did you actually listen
    to his speech? It was really more like a tantrum, rather than
    a speech. In any case, here it is. In case you missed it -

    Colonel Nathan R. Jessep testifies in court on "Code Red".
    Enjoy the theatrics.

    Transcript from "A Few Good Men" -


    LTJG Kaffee: Colonel Jessep! Did you order the Code Red?!

    Judge Randolph: You don't have to answer that question!

    Col Jessep: I'll answer the question. You want answers?

    LTJG Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to them.

    Col Jessep: You want answers?!

    LTJG Kaffee: I want the truth!

    Col Jessep: You can't handle the truth!

    Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be
    guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant
    Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom.
    You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury.
    You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that Santiago's death,
    while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque
    and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

    You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk
    about at parties, you want me on that wall -- you need me on that wall.

    We use words like "honor," "code," "loyalty." We use these words as
    the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a
    punch line.

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a
    man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I
    provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

    I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way.
    Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand the post. Either
    way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!

    LTJG Kaffee: Did you order the Code Red?

    Col Jessep: I did the job --

    LTJG Kaffee: -- Did you order the Code Red?!

    Col Jessep: YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID!!!

    I'll it again just in case you missed the first time

    George Zimmerman was acquitted.

    George Zimmerman was found "not guilty" - which is far from
    being innocent. Notice Col Jessep was never worried about his
    being courts martialed.

    You can harp on this all you wish with your folly of useless points, but
    it's not going to prove the narrative or point.

    Under our system of justice, the accused does not have to prove
    his innocence. All he/she has to do is show reasonable doubt.
    That is something the far right has failed to realize. The court
    of public opinion is meaningless.

    We already know where this phony outrage is coming from.

    Adult white racist murders teenage black kid in cold blood.
    Feel better?

    it's familiar because it is this is seen nightly as the light from the TV
    fills the living rooms with what is really going on, which proves our
    point.

    Did the neighborhood watch white racist wannabe cop order a code red?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 03, 2020 06:31:23
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    Lemme see if I got this right.
    White guy pulls a gun on black kid.
    Black kid tries to run away.
    White guy shoots black kid dead.
    Did I get that right?
    Your attempt to twist the truth is typical of you.
    The truth? You can't handle the truth! Jack Nicholson said it first. >LL>When he was in the Army, trying to instruct a student ...

    and Jack it say it again directly to you at the same volume and awesome >acting ability that everyone is aware of.

    I'll it again just in case you missed the first time

    George Zimmerman was acquitted.

    So he got away with murder.

    Nobody said he was innocent.
    Not even George Zimmerman himself.

    White guy pulls gun on black kid.
    Black kid tries to run away.
    White guy shoots black kid dead.

    That is the truth.
    That is the whole truth.
    And that is nothing but the truth.

    But like Jack Nicholson said -

    You can't handle the truth.

    You can harp on this all you wish with your folly of useless points, but
    it's not going to prove the narrative or point.

    The truth is what it is. White guy shoots black kid dead.
    Nobody disputes that. Or even questions it.

    We already know where this phony outrage is coming from.

    When white guy murders black kid in cold blood, everyone should
    be outraged.

    it's familiar because it is this is seen nightly as the light from the TV
    fills the living rooms with what is really going on, which proves our
    point.

    God forbid if a black man shoots a white kid dead in cold blood.
    Fox News & The Right-Wing Spin Machine would never let anybody forget
    about it.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, August 03, 2020 08:27:12
    On 03 Aug 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    When white guy murders black kid in cold blood, everyone should
    be outraged.

    You want to know how I define outrage?...

    You're only seeing one side of this and trying to justify radical behavior of Antifa and this nasty ass BLM movement.

    You say nothing about Jessica Doty Whitaker was fatally shot last month following an alleged argument between her group and a group of Black Lives Matter supporters.

    She declared "All Lives Matter" and was killed as a result.

    Here are the facts for you and the rest of your lefty friends.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by -race/

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest.
    Don't take my word for it watch the video how this started and how it ended

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    How did Rayshard Brooks get though?

    Rayshard Brooks resisted arrest stole a tazer from the cops belt w/ the struggle with the Police. Then within some distance from the cops as he was running away, Rayshard pointed the tazer at the cops (as he triggered the tazer it made it a flash) it was at this point the one of the cops fired his gun killing Rayshard Brooks.

    Then these animals (black people within the community) burned down the wendys to the ground..

    None of this needed to happen. Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if
    he did not resist arrest.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 00:16:00
    On 08-03-20 08:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Floyd <=-

    Here are the facts for you and the rest of your lefty friends.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to- death-by-us-police-by
    -race/

    Did you actually look at that article with understanding? Possibly not
    since you seemed to miss the point that a higher proportion of blacks
    are shot by police than whites.
    [quote]
    Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans
    was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
    [/quote]

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest.
    Don't take my word for it watch the video how this started and how it ended
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    Except that the end of that 44 minute video does not show how it ended.
    It shows a lot of discussion. It shows the officer administering a
    field sobriety test (which Brooks passed much better than I could at any
    time). Then it showed the officer putting cuffs on Brooks without any
    real explanation. A shuffle ensued and Brooks ran away (not the best
    choice I admit). From then on, we only hear sounds. Did you watch the
    video? If you had, you could not have truthfully said it showed the
    end.

    Other videos show that the officer shot Brooks in the back as he was
    running away. Brooks was no threat to the officer or anyone -- which is
    the critera for using deadly force.


    the struggle with the Police. Then within some distance from the cops
    as he was running away, Rayshard pointed the tazer at the cops (as he triggered the tazer.

    Which did not threaten anyone.

    it made it a flash) it was at this point the one of the cops fired his
    gun killing Rayshard Brooks.

    Wrong. The cop fired while Brooks was running away -- shot in the back.

    If you are going to try arguing a case, make sure you have your facts
    and evidence right.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, August 04, 2020 13:33:37
    On 04 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-03-20 08:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Floyd <=-

    Here are the facts for you and the rest of your lefty friends.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to- death-by-us-police-by
    -race/

    Did you actually look at that article with understanding? Possibly not since you seemed to miss the point that a higher proportion of blacks
    are shot by police than whites.

    Here are the Actual Numbers
    White
    Year Year Year Year
    2017 2018 2019 2020
    ---- | ---- | ---- | ----
    457 399 370 215

    Black
    Year Year Year Year
    2017 2018 2019 2020
    ---- | ---- | --- | ----
    223 209 235 111

    As a direct result of these calculations.

    234 more whites died then blacks in 2017
    190 more whites died then blacks in 2018
    135 more whites died then blacks in 2019
    104 more whites died then blacks in 2020

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years
    Infact the numbers also show that the number of whites deaths is greater by
    the number of 663 within the past 4 years.

    [quote]
    Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans
    was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
    [/quote]

    Here is the full quote

    Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 558 civilians having been shot, 111 of whom were Black, as of July 29, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.

    Let's take a deeper dive, shall we? with what the above text is indicating here. 558 civilians having been shot 111 of whom were black this means that 447 of these were of another race. That number of skyrocketed to 1004, the graphic does NOT say it was by by Police officers, could it be
    that these numbers are BLACK on BLACK crimes on each other? Could be.
    You never have heard and you never will hear people within the BLM movement
    and you will not hear Democratic Politicians condemning this violence.

    Police brutality in the U.S.

    In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed by police in the United States is often compared to those in countries such as England, where the number is significantly lower.

    Black Lives Matter
    The Black Lives Matter Movement, formed in 2013, has been a vocal part of the movement against police brutality in the U.S. by organizing "die-ins",
    marches, and demonstrations in response to the killings of black men and
    women by police.

    Black Lives Matter is a farce.

    They do not talk or speak of the issues within the Black community, as to why there is so much Black on Black Crime, which has caused death of innocent children within their own homes.

    They will not speak to what happened as to what lead the death to whomever
    that are protesting about. or ask any of the questions such as did the individual corporate with the police?
    As far these people are concerned there is no consequence or irrational behavior that could of lead to the killing. He or she was simply killed in
    cold in cold blood... This is how dumb and undedicated these people are.

    Quote
    While Black Lives Matter has become a controversial movement within the U.S., it has brought more attention to the number and frequency of police shootings of civilians.

    This is because they refuse to be arrested by the cops, these people seem
    to not have the understanding; what it means to have their day in court, even they might feel (as I'm sure you will pick up on) that they feel that they
    will not be successful in court. but it beats dying - any day of the week!

    This would of course mean that they would continue to live and see another sunset as well take care of their families, seems so selfish to take the
    route of resisting arrest that ends up these people losing their lives.

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest. Don't take my word for it watch the video how this started and how it ended
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    Except that the end of that 44 minute video does not show how it ended.
    It shows a lot of discussion. It shows the officer administering a
    field sobriety test (which Brooks passed much better than I could at any time). Then it showed the officer putting cuffs on Brooks without any real explanation. A shuffle ensued and Brooks ran away (not the best choice I admit). From then on, we only hear sounds. Did you watch the video? If you had, you could not have truthfully said it showed the
    end.

    You are right about the discussion just about 42 minutes worth. You really believe that you or I would be given 42 minutes of time to try to explain ourselves?

    A lot of people can pass a sobriety test and still be impaired, this is for the law to decide not the one who is accused, that is done in the court of law not on the street or in public where your being viewed as menace to society.

    Rayshard did not know where he was at multiple times. Which was also heard on the video but you seemed to have glossed over that fact.

    Other videos show that the officer shot Brooks in the back as he was running away. Brooks was no threat to the officer or anyone -- which is the critera for using deadly force.

    This video that I posted was from a Police Body cam, what other video would
    you be referencing. If there was a video captured by Wendy's restaurant that camera was destroyed as was the Wendy's was burned down to the ground by people who did not know that their brother from another mother was treated more than more then fairly for 42 minutes, the carnage began when Rayshard resisted arrest.

    Wrong. The cop fired while Brooks was running away -- shot in the back.

    No you're wrong. COPS do not shoot at suspects white or black just for fleeing the scene.
    At 41:35 you can hear the cop telling Rayshard to let go of the tazer.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 01:44:00
    On 08-04-20 13:33, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Floyd <=-

    Did you actually look at that article with understanding? Possibly not since you seemed to miss the point that a higher proportion of blacks
    are shot by police than whites.

    Here are the Actual Numbers

    You are trying to defect and not respond to the actual question because
    you cannot handle the truth. The quote was not about actual numbers,
    but about the rate of police shootings of black americans per millions
    of population.

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    [quote]
    Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans
    was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of the population as of July 2020.
    [/quote]

    Here is the full quote

    Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems
    to only be increasing, with a total 558 civilians having been shot, 111
    of whom were Black, as of July 29, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and
    in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of
    fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that
    for any other ethnicity, standing at 31 fatal shootings per million of
    the population as of July 2020.

    True, you quoted a bit more of the paragraph which is irrelavent to the
    point being made, but is your deflection.

    Let's take a deeper dive, shall we? with what the above text is
    indicating here. 558 civilians having been shot 111 of whom were black this means that 447 of these were of another race. That number of skyrocketed to 1004, the graphic does NOT say it was by by Police officers,

    Duh -- the quote is explicit that it about shootings of blacks by police officers -- why are you trying to muddy the water?

    In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael
    Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed by police in the United States is often compared to those in countries
    such as England, where the number is significantly lower.

    With good reason, perhaps because England has stricter gun control laws.
    Also due to the fact that most British police do not even carry guns --
    they don't feed the need to do so.


    Black Lives Matter
    The Black Lives Matter Movement, formed in 2013, has been a vocal part
    of the movement against police brutality in the U.S. by organizing "die-ins", marches, and demonstrations in response to the killings of black men and women by police.

    Black Lives Matter is a farce.

    <<SNIP OF VERBAGE THAT IS NON RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION>>

    Rayshard Brooks would still be alive today if he did resist arrest.
    Don't take my word for it watch the video how
    this started and how it
    ended
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ&t=183s

    Except that the end of that 44 minute video does not show how it ended.
    It shows a lot of discussion. It shows the officer administering a
    field sobriety test (which Brooks passed much better than I could at any time). Then it showed the officer putting cuffs on Brooks without any real explanation. A shuffle ensued and Brooks ran away (not the best choice I admit). From then on, we only hear sounds. Did you watch the video? If you had, you could not have truthfully said it showed the
    end.

    You are right about the discussion just about 42 minutes worth. You
    really believe that you or I would be given 42 minutes of time to try
    to explain ourselves?

    In other words, you did not see what you claimed to see about how he got
    shot. And no, I think that you or me would have been told after about
    five minutes -- OK, walk over to your daughter's birthday and leave your
    car parked here where it is safe and causing no problem.

    Other videos show that the officer shot Brooks in the back as he was running away. Brooks was no threat to the officer or anyone -- which is the critera for using deadly force.

    This video that I posted was from a Police Body cam, what other video would you be referencing.

    Several that have been posted and aired on multiple news channels. Did
    you not see them? Do you not know that he was shot in the back while
    running away?

    Wrong. The cop fired while Brooks was running away -- shot in the back.

    No you're wrong. COPS do not shoot at suspects white or black just for fleeing the scene.

    That is exactly what was done. It is against any standard police
    procedure, but that is what was done.

    At 41:35 you can hear the cop telling Rayshard to let go of the tazer.

    True -- not relevant to being shot in the back while running away. If
    you believe anything else happened, you have not been listening to
    reputable sources.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, August 05, 2020 10:55:56
    On 05 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    It is the point because of BLM they continie to get it very wrong they have been indicating this misinformation about the topic, they often say that more blacks are killed than whites, that is NOT the truth.

    It is also true that BLM as well as the Democratic party has not condemned
    the carnage and violence of Black on Black crime.
    Why?
    Could it be they do not want to alienate these people because they need
    their vote?

    Duh -- the quote is explicit that it about shootings of blacks by police officers -- why are you trying to muddy the water?

    Nope just the facts Dale and those facts prove that more whites are killed by police, not the vise versa. Which shoots (sorry for the pun) holes in this narrative that more blacks are killed then whites.

    In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael
    Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed b police in the United States is often compared to those in countries such as England, where the number is significantly lower.

    What about Chicago? They have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. Yet people
    are still killing each other by the many hundreds every weekend on the Southside of Chicago.
    The Mayor Lori (Beetlejuice) Lightfoot seems to be out of touch with reality.

    With good reason, perhaps because England has stricter gun control laws. Also due to the fact that most British police do not even carry guns -- they don't feed the need to do so.

    Then someone with a gun means w/ bad intentions will slaughter the copper in England .
    Yeah I do not think that they (cops in England) are defenseless as you have suggested.

    <<SNIP OF VERBAGE THAT IS NON RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION>>

    OK ignore the facts but I'm telling you now. This will be only one of many reasons why the Democrats lose in November.

    In other words, you did not see what you claimed to see about how he got shot. And no, I think that you or me would have been told after about
    five minutes -- OK, walk over to your daughter's birthday and leave your car parked here where it is safe and causing no problem.

    You kinda rattled on there a little bit - daughter's birthday park the where
    it is not a problem to anyone?

    but I do understand what you mean...

    If what you mean to say that once Brooks moved his car as was requested
    several times where was found SLEEPING in the Wendy's drive through, Then
    he (Brooks) should of been left alone. Is that what your trying to say?
    Making the suggestion that if he was just alone then non of these would happened?

    It's called in the line of duty. The police officer called for a
    DWI/DWAI officer to the scene, who spoke to Brooks for over 40 minutes.

    There is another video that I have seen that shows exactly what I previously stated that Brooks fired the tazer as he was running away from cops.

    Here ya go
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    Says a lot.
    Firing a taser "IS" a deadly weapon according the District Attorney of Georgia as was found to be the case when different cops used a taser on some unruly college kids. However in this Brooks case it is not. (Obvious Flip flopping) but whyy? It is clear as to why; because if these officer(s) were not charged these people of color would have destroyed the entire city instead of just the Wendy's.

    The video also explains why Brooks ran, he had a criminal record and if arrested would of been jailed.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, August 06, 2020 02:17:00
    On 08-05-20 10:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    It is the point because of BLM they continie to get it very wrong they have been indicating this misinformation about the topic, they often
    say that more blacks are killed than whites, that is NOT the truth.

    The point was and is that blacks are killed by police at a higher rate
    than whites. Stop trying to deflect to other arguements if you cannot
    address that point.

    Duh -- the quote is explicit that it about shootings of blacks by police officers -- why are you trying to muddy the water?

    Nope just the facts Dale and those facts prove that more whites are
    killed by police, not the vise versa. Which shoots (sorry for the pun) holes in this narrative that more blacks are killed then whites.

    See above.

    What about Chicago? They have the strictest gun laws in the U.S. Yet people are still killing each other by the many hundreds every weekend
    on the Southside of Chicago.

    See above.

    With good reason, perhaps because England has stricter gun control laws. Also due to the fact that most British police do not even carry guns -- they don't feed the need to do so.

    Then someone with a gun means w/ bad intentions will slaughter the
    copper in England .

    Does not happen nearly as often as it does in the USA. But, once again
    see above.

    There is another video that I have seen that shows exactly what I previously stated that Brooks fired the tazer as he was running away
    from cops.
    Here ya go
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    It was fired wildly from a considerable distance and was no danger to
    anyone.

    Says a lot.
    Firing a taser "IS" a deadly weapon according the District Attorney of Georgia as was found to be the case when different cops used a taser on

    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and
    this was not one of them.

    The video also explains why Brooks ran, he had a criminal record and
    if arrested would of been jailed.

    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occured.

    Nor does it explain why running was justification for using deadly
    force, especially when the police had all the information they might
    need to apprehend Brooks later on.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, August 07, 2020 13:24:38
    On 06 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-05-20 10:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    1441 more whites died then 778 black in last 4 years

    Not the point.

    It is the point because of BLM they continie to get it very wrong the have been indicating this misinformation about the topic, they often say that more blacks are killed than whites, that is NOT the truth.

    The point was and is that blacks are killed by police at a higher rate than whites. Stop trying to deflect to other arguements if you cannot address that point.

    I am deflecting anything but did provide the actual facts that prove that
    1. I am not deflecting
    2. I have proven that your statement is inaccurate.

    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and this was not one of them.
    Because Dale. Brooks ... did ... have ... a ... gun ...

    There is no area of confusion or no ability to twist either, when it fits
    your narrative. You can't have it both way when it suits you.
    The District Attorney ruled that the use of a taser "IS" a deadly weapon.

    The video also explains why Brooks ran, he had a criminal record and if arrested would of been jailed.

    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occured.

    Nor does it explain why running was justification for using deadly
    force, especially when the police had all the information they might
    need to apprehend Brooks later on.

    Before or After he committed more crimes?
    Perhaps the next time he would of drove under the influence and lets say he killed a family with children in the car.
    As for running why he ran is now clear.
    He know dam well if he were arrested he would be going back to jail.

    So what?

    He would of went back to jail he would of gotten out eventually and he would still be around to support his family and see another sunset.
    Instead he acted foolishly and ran and did use deadly force again I bring you back to what the Attorney General indicated.

    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occured.

    Again the video can be found at

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    1:34 and then from there it shows in detail what those charges were.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, August 08, 2020 01:46:02
    On 08-07-20 13:24, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-

    The point was and is that blacks are killed by police at a higher rate than whites. Stop trying to deflect to other arguments if you cannot address that point.

    I am deflecting anything but did provide the actual facts that prove
    that 1. I am not deflecting

    You are deflecting when you attempt to present some other argument.

    2. I have proven that your statement is inaccurate.

    My statement is taken from a link you supplied.

    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and this was not one of them.

    Because Dale. Brooks ... did ... have ... a ... gun ...

    Really? That is not in any of the reporting. Enlighten us all as to
    your evidence that he had a gun during the incident that led to his
    being shot in the back.

    There is no area of confusion or no ability to twist either, when it
    fits your narrative. You can't have it both way when it suits you.
    The District Attorney ruled that the use of a taser "IS" a deadly
    weapon.

    Quote the ruling. When is a taser a deadly weapon? I do not believe
    that it can be considered as such when discharged randomly in the air
    from a considerable distance. Site the ruling that shows I am wrong.


    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occurred.

    Again the video can be found at

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    1:34 and then from there it shows in detail what those charges were.

    OK since it was not on the video in question, you dug up some other
    video by a youtube blogger. I'm sure that if one searches enough they
    can come up with some source to say anything they want to say. In any
    case, looking at time 3:12 the blogger goes on to claim that the DA has declared that a taser is a deadly weapon. He presents a chart from the
    GA code that he claims supports his statement. However, it explicitly
    outlines conditions under which an object might result in a charge of aggravated assault. That article doe not mention a taser, and for the
    case in question the taser as discharged by Brooks does not fit the
    definition in the statue. It was not discharged in a manner that did or
    could result in serious bodily harm.

    Try again if you can come up with a credible source.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, August 08, 2020 11:30:03
    On 08 Aug 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Really? That is not in any of the reporting. Enlighten us all as to
    your evidence that he had a gun during the incident that led to his
    being shot in the back.

    No not really I meant to type that "Brooks did NOT have a gun."
    That was a typo error on my part.

    OK since it was not on the video in question, you dug up some other
    video by a youtube blogger. I'm sure that if one searches enough they
    can come up with some source to say anything they want to say. In any case, looking at time 3:12 the blogger goes on to claim that the DA has declared that a taser is a deadly weapon. He presents a chart from the
    GA code that he claims supports his statement. However, it explicitly outlines conditions under which an object might result in a charge of aggravated assault. That article doe not mention a taser, and for the case in question the taser as discharged by Brooks does not fit the definition in the statue. It was not discharged in a manner that did or could result in serious bodily harm.

    I am not digging up anything Dale, these are just the facts by the SAME youtube blogger who made the first video; url that I shared, as he indicated within
    the first one he even states that he made more of a extensive video that explains more detail, that; IS the second one that I shared here.

    I had no intention of posting the other one but the reasoning why I did, is because you seemed skeptical to some extent with the statements that were
    made All of which are as a matter of fact, as the video shows in clear and understandable detail. That these FACTS are not is dispute.

    What the real mystery is.....
    Why is the media not breaking it down just the blogger did.
    Just let the facts spill as they are.

    Let the facts speak for themselves.

    Why?
    This is actually NO mystery at all....
    The Media will not show the truth due to Political Correctness.
    This reporting of these true events would be twisted and then it would
    backfire upon media for just reporting what happened.
    The would is called Triggered.
    This type of information would be just be to much to process but it would show chronically show the poor choices made by of Brooks, which the led to his death.

    This story has elements of repeated familiarity, as this type of thing has happened again and again when people of all kinds make the wrong choices. These choices have nearly the same ending.

    Most of us have the same reaction to that ending with the word " Figures."

    So the media tries to hide and conceal the truth from being told because they are aligned with the Democratic Party. Don't think so you say...

    Example 1
    CNN is notorious for on a putting on people like Melina Abdullah who is American academic and civic leader. She is chair of the department of Pan-African Studies at California State University, Los Angeles, and a co-founder of the Los Angeles chapter of Black Lives Matter.
    There you have it.

    Of course such a person would take issue with Donald Trump who was speaking
    out when he called the painted words on the pavement on 5th Avenue that state "Black Lives Matter" People like this stupid bitch who intentionally twists
    the words of the President and deliberately take out of context, and spin it into a liberal delusional fantasy.

    Of course these are the same people within the Black Lives Matter say noting about Black on Black crime, say nothing about so called peaceful protest that are far from peaceful, with the throwing rocks, bricks, frozen water bottles and using lasers to blind cops. They are also certainty not mentioning
    anything about the innocent children getting killed by stray bullets within their own homes, no no no can't mention that. Hypocrisy!

    The Democratic Party needs these individuals for their vote. Realizing this they within media play upon simpleton emotions of these people and start
    making the story about how cops are bad which leads to de-funding the police, with a movement by BLM which fuels these falsehoods and these scumbags within BLM even had chant "Pigs in A Blanket, Fry 'Em Like Bacon." Why is that ok? When it really should be criticized and ridiculed with logic accordingly.

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, August 14, 2020 20:36:00
    On 08-08-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 08-07-20 13:24, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Floyd <=-


    It depends. If it were always a deadly weapon, then why bother using it instead of a gun? It is only a deadly weapon in some situations -- and this was not one of them.


    The state in which this happened had previously ruled a taser a *deadly weapon*!


    Because Dale. Brooks ... did ... have ... a ... gun ...


    Really? That is not in any of the reporting. Enlighten us all as to DS>your evidence that he had a gun during the incident that led to his
    being shot in the back.


    Shipp likes to whip words and twist facts in an attempt to play the lefties' favorite game; a never-ending flow of BS till the person he's aiming his crap at gets tired of having to counter all his mis-information and stops talking
    on whatever subject he's infusing false info into.


    There is no area of confusion or no ability to twist either, when it
    fits your narrative. You can't have it both way when it suits you.
    The District Attorney ruled that the use of a taser "IS" a deadly
    weapon.


    Quote the ruling. When is a taser a deadly weapon?


    See; "The state in which this happened had previously ruled a taser a *deadly weapon*.


    I do not believe
    that it can be considered as such when discharged randomly in the air DS>from a considerable distance. Site the ruling that shows I am wrong.


    I did not see or hear that in the video -- show me the time spot where
    it occurred.

    Again the video can be found at

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5QEnGkIbzA

    1:34 and then from there it shows in detail what those charges were.

    OK since it was not on the video in question, you dug up some other
    video by a youtube blogger. I'm sure that if one searches enough they DS>can come up with some source to say anything they want to say. In any DS>case, looking at time 3:12 the blogger goes on to claim that the DA has DS>declared that a taser is a deadly weapon. He presents a chart from the DS>GA code that he claims supports his statement. However, it explicitly DS>outlines conditions under which an object might result in a charge of DS>aggravated assault. That article doe not mention a taser, and for the DS>case in question the taser as discharged by Brooks does not fit the DS>definition in the statue. It was not discharged in a manner that did or DS>could result in serious bodily harm.


    Try again if you can come up with a credible source.


    An argument with a leftie democrat is an endless (and useless) endeavor.


    It doesn't matter what the actual facts are, a leftie will twist the real
    facts and also make up their own.


    Why bother?


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