Finding the email you need in a crowded Gmail inbox should finally be a lot easier thanks to another AI-powered new update.
The email provider is rolling out a new, smarter search function that
will list results in terms of relevance, rather than just in
chronological order.
I already don't like it. I don't trust Google nor do I trust Gmail and it's because I've always suspected them of spying on our email.
And now they're announcing that they're going to be analyzing our email for relevance! That's an invasion of privacy.
They already openly analyze our mail under the guise of spam moderation, but this sounds like it's going to be even more analytical.
Can't trust em.
OTOH, if that is not the case, they may not necessarily be invading your privacy. If the bot only analyzes your messages when you open your
Inbox, or only then if you ask it to, and isn't sharing that information with anyone/thing but you, then it is probably not much more than an advanced search agent.
The email provider is rolling out a new, smarter search function that>use I've always suspected them of spying on our email.
will list results in terms of relevance, rather than just in
chronological order.
I already don't like it. I don't trust Google nor do I trust Gmail and it's b
And now they're announcing that they're going to be analyzing our email for r>vance! That's an invasion of privacy.
They already openly analyze our mail under the guise of spam moderation, but>s sounds like it's going to be even more analytical.
Can't trust em.
ase.OTOH, if that is not the case, they may not necessarily be invading your privacy. If the bot only analyzes your messages when you open your Inbox, or only then if you ask it to, and isn't sharing that information with anyone/thing but you, then it is probably not much more than an advanced search agent.
To me it's hard to imagine the need for it. I've been using Gmail for years, and once in a while I find it useful to dig up an old email. If I type a few characters of the sender's name in the search bar, I always find it with
I'd say that any email that I didn't already delete is "relevant" to me, but
guess that might not be the case for everybody.
Yes.. I have a gMail address but almost no one has it, and I set it
up that anything that comes to me through it is forwarded to another
...virtually all eMail providers check eMails for known
content often used by Spammers. I get the odd eMail dumped in a
Spam folder, one or two a month, with a notice that it's there in
case I know what it is and want to see it.. And I don't remember
the last time something that landed there was actually Spam, it
just used language/terms that looked suspect..
Yes.. I have a gMail address but almost no one has it, and I set it
up that anything that comes to me through it is forwarded to another
eMail account I have so very little from me ends up there. I'd get
nothing if I hadn't set up a few commercial places with my gMail
address before I knew any better. But not much information that
goes through there would be of any use.. Reminders that a bill is
coming due or a thankyou that it's been paid, so they know I pay
some common bills but no details are given out in those..
I also don't use Google to search for things online.
That said, virtually all eMail providers check eMails for known
content often used by Spammers. I get the odd eMail dumped in a
Spam folder, one or two a month, with a notice that it's there in
case I know what it is and want to see it.. And I don't remember
the last time something that landed there was actually Spam, it
just used language/terms that looked suspect..
>> this sounds like it's going to be even more analytical.They already openly analyze our mail under the guise of spam moderation, bu
>is also providing a "service" to their AI development in the form of moreCan't trust em.
I don't know for a fact, but I suspect that this new service "for the users"
Less trouble when in moderation. My offline mail reader flags the odd
message as Spam, right or wrong, and tonight I wrote a note to someone
but I accidentally hit send before attaching a photo I'd mentioned in
the message.
It popped up a little box asking if I'd fogotten to attach the photo.
Not the end of the world if the message had gone out but it was handy
to be reminded about the promised photo. But that's pretty gentle
spying or maybe AI, if it even qualifies as that..
Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-
It doesn't seem like a big deal if Google saw (for example) a receipt
for my electric bill, but the problem is that they are collectors of information in general, and I'm certain that they use it to do things
that will irk me one way or another.
Spam is an issue, but I suspect that Google and the other sleazeballs
use the spam issue as justification for things like: the power to tell small, private email servers "Your email server is not permitted to communicate with ours because we don't trust you." (This keeps them elevated and it keeps the little guys down.)
Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-
Less trouble when in moderation. My offline mail reader flags the odd message as Spam, right or wrong, and tonight I wrote a note to someone
but I accidentally hit send before attaching a photo I'd mentioned in
the message.
It doesn't seem like a big deal if Google saw (for example) a receipt for my electric bill, but the problem is that they are collectors of information in general, and I'm certain that they use it to do things that will irk me one way or another.
The problem comes when they consolidate your electric bill, that time
you photographed your driver's license, your location info from using
Google maps and photos and so on to make a picture that's more than the
sum of its parts.
There's a series of books by William Hertling about an AI
being developed - it came out about 10 years ago. I should
re-read them and see how it aged.
I bought the first three books in the series, and now there's a fourth. I'm leery to buy it on Amazon, as they've taken away the ability to download ebooks from the web site.
I was able to download all of my library and copy it into
Calibre - but don't know how to do that with future
purchases.
...virtually all eMail providers check eMails for known
content often used by Spammers. I get the odd eMail dumped in a
Spam folder, one or two a month, with a notice that it's there in
case I know what it is and want to see it.. And I don't remember
the last time something that landed there was actually Spam, it
just used language/terms that looked suspect..
They are having lots of fun with mine..
Yes.. I have a gMail address but almost no one has it>important either, but the issue here is the chip on my shoulder about big tec
But not much information that
goes through there would be of any use.. Reminders that a bill is
coming due or a thankyou that it's been paid, so they know I pay
some common bills but no details are given out in those..
That's a good point. I'm the same way. I don't use email for anything too
It doesn't seem like a big deal if Google saw (for example) a receipt for my>ctric bill, but the problem is that they are collectors of information
I also don't use Google to search for things online.>here's no other search engine that I trust any further than I trust Google.
Despite everything I just said, I do use Google to search for most things, bu
>important either, but the issue here is the chip on my shoulder about b
>tec
>nd companies with big names.
Yes, and the other thing here is most companies and banks and such try their best to force you to go with electronic statements rather than mailing paper. They don't ask you to change, if you have an eMail address
Yes, in a big way. They do offer some good services that we don't have
to pay for so they have to make some money off of us somewhere and
selling information about us seems to be the best way..
On that one I'm just about as bad. I prefer the results I get using Bing instead of Google, but if I start getting targeted ads from them or something I'd use a safer one like (I think) DuckDuckGo..
That said, possibly I'm just better protected due to my Browser.
I use Opera, a highly modified version of Chrome or Mozilla
August Abolins wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
Download is still possible, but only to Kindles directly or
readable with their online app.
>> the message.I accidentally hit send before attaching a photo I'd mentioned in
>has done that in the past. IIRC, it was because the message contained aIt popped up a little box asking if I'd fogotten to attach the photo.
I cannot remember which mail program it was now, but I have used one that
That probably could be considered AI, but I think of that as being a>passive version -- like many little things computer programs do -- and
That said, the first time or two it happened, I did wonder about it! :D
Kidding.. I really like Thunderbird. It is so much nicer to work
with than the Online eMail systems, and I can have it check several
accounts at the same time, and make replies from those accounts.
I think it even works with gMail now, although my older version didn't.
(And I think gMail tries to block remote access like that.)
I tend to not update programs that are working well without a really
good reason. Too often the improvements mess them up..
Yes, and the other thing here is most companies and banks and such try their best to force you to go with electronic statements rather than mailing paper.>hought "they want to pretend to be tree-huggers" or "they want to save money
That's a good point, and I never thought about it this way until now. Before
On that one I'm just about as bad. I prefer the results I get using Bing instead of Google, but if I start getting targeted ads from them or something I'd use a safer one like (I think) DuckDuckGo..>an another. If there's one that's open source, then I'd like to examine the s
That said, possibly I'm just better protected due to my Browser.
I use Opera, a highly modified version of Chrome or Mozilla
I don't fully understand how one browser could be less vulnerable to tracking
Opera first came out in 1995 and I've probably used it since then.
I'm not really sure how the browser sees Trackers although I suppose
it has to latch onto the Browser so there may just be a better reset
done when a site is exited. Adware is probably easier for it to catch since it has to display through the browser, but I do get a Lot of
sites complaining that they can't send me ads because they are being blocked and asking me to turn that off, so I know that works pretty
well..
Mike Powell wrote to ROB MCCART <=-
I used to be able to access my gmail account via just about any email program that supported POP3. They disabled that at some point, but Thunderbird probably uses another interface which I don't doubt gmail would try to block.
>> didn't. (And I think gMail tries to block remote access like that.)I think T-Bird even works with gMail now, although my older version
I used to be able to access my gmail account via just about any email>program that supported POP3. They disabled that at some point, but
You need to create an application password for Gmail. It'll work then.
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833?hl=en
I'm not really sure how the browser sees Trackers although I suppose>ur browsers, and then when we go to another website, the latter website
it has to latch onto the Browser so there may just be a better reset
done when a site is exited. Adware is probably easier for it to catch
since it has to display through the browser
Based on what I can figure out about tracking, websites are storing cookies i
Adware, on the other hand, used to hijack browsers rampantly (e.g. "You're pc> infected!") But now days I'm assuming that adware is less conspicuous, and i
So it sounds like Opera might be a good choice for averting adware.
>ur browsers, and then when we go to another website, the latter website
>is making logical decisions about us based on the cookies from the
>websites we previously visited. That can be averted by deleting cookies
Maybe.. but that situation would assume that the Tracking is done by
the Browser and not by the Web Site you just visited. As I understood
it (?) when you went to a web page, every page you visited after that
was reported back to that web site. The reason for this is not always evil, it is often just a way of seeing what you are interested in so
they can send you ads for things you will more likely go for.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-
You're probably right. But think about it this way: If we're avoiding Chrome and Firefox because we don't want to be tracked, doesn't it seem like the authors of our operating systems would have an even more
devious way of tracking us? And aren't they all on the same side of the table at the World Economic Forum? ;)
table at the World Economic Forum? ;)
Run Linux. Run one of the BSDs. I think we'll see people moving to the "friendly" linuxes when Windows 10 starts complaining about security issues and prompting people to buy Windows 11.
You're probably right. But think about it this way: If we're avoiding Chrome> Firefox because we don't want to be tracked, doesn't it seem like the author
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