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    From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to All on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 11:22:03
    Hi, All!


    What should happen to me to make me say instead of

    ...they didn't stop weeping when I left them.

    this variant:
    ...they didn't stop weeping when I took my leave of them.


    Bye, All!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 00:46:48
    Hi, alexander -- on Jan 25 2023 at 11:22, you wrote:


    What should happen to me to make me say instead of
    ...they didn't stop weeping when I left them.
    this variant:
    ...they didn't stop weeping when I took my leave of them.

    Nothing will happen to you :-) But the second version sounds quite archaic.



    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 15:46:24
    Alexander Koryagin:

    What should happen to me to make me say instead of

    ..they didn't stop weeping when I left them.

    this variant:

    ..they didn't stop weeping when I took my leave of them.


    Perhap you do not realise the difference between leaving and
    taking leave. In my opinion, the latter is more polite in
    that it includes some sort of verbal acknowledgement and
    mutual consent to the parting, after a conversation or
    another mutual engagement.

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Anton Shepelev on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 13:04:41
    Hi, Anton -- on Jan 25 2023 at 15:46, you wrote:

    Perhap you do not realise the difference between leaving and taking
    leave. In my opinion, the latter is more polite in
    that it includes some sort of verbal acknowledgement and
    mutual consent to the parting, after a conversation or
    another mutual engagement.

    I don't think I can agree with you, Anton. There's nothing in either statement to suggest consent. "Took my leave" does imply, imo, communicating with the group/person ("goodbye, see you later") while the first form implies only that the person left.

    In any case, in modern English as spoken in North America, I don't think you'd find anyone using the phrase "took my leave".

    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Sunday, January 29, 2023 13:12:32
    Dallas Hinton:

    I don't think I can agree with you, Anton. There's
    nothing in either statement to suggest consent. "Took
    my leave" does imply, imo, communicating with the
    group/person ("goodbye, see you later") while the first
    form implies only that the person left.

    You are right, Dallas. One can take one's leave even no one
    is willing to give it!

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Anton Shepelev on Wednesday, March 15, 2023 22:52:37
    Hi, Anton! Recently you wrote in a message to Dallas Hinton:

    There's nothing in either statement to suggest consent.
    "Took my leave" does imply, imo, communicating with the
    group/person ("goodbye, see you later")....

    You are right, Dallas. One can take one's leave even no
    one is willing to give it!


    Yes. I'm reminded here of an excerpt from the 17th century English opera DIDO AND AENEAS:

    Take a boozy short leave of your nymphs on the shore
    And silence their mourning with vows of returning,
    While never intending to visit them more.

    The sailors departed under orders. While they were allowed time to bid their girlfriends adieu, the latter couldn't realistically give or deny permission.


    In general, "leave" used as a noun is defined as meaning consent or permission... hence "by your leave" or "on leave" (from work). OTOH, "taking leave" of someone else includes e.g. formalities like saying goodbye. People say they or another person "left" when they'd rather not go into detail. :-Q




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