• Hamas & Israel

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Wednesday, March 13, 2024 04:36:26
    Hello Everybody,

    Give the Devil his due, as he sure does know how to get his way.
    At least, according to Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro
    Parolin (in reference to Hamas and the IDF in Gaza) -

    "The two situations certainly have in common the fact that they have dangerously widened beyond any acceptable limit, that they cannot be
    resolved, that they have repercussions in different countries, and
    that no solution can be found without serious negotiation."

    Does the Israeli Prime Minister negotiate with terrorists?
    Does the leader of Hamas negotiate with terrorists?
    Does the President of the United States negotatiate with terrorists?
    Does any other leader in the world negoatiate with terrorists?

    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    Who is to say who is fighting for freedom, and who is fighting
    for something else? What exactly qualifies as "freedom? Is it
    "freedom of" or "freedom from"? Perhaps it is none of the above,
    as freedom could be just another word for nothing left to lose.

    Cardinal Parolin claims warring parties should have "the courage
    to negotiate, which is never to surrender." His words, not mine.
    Of course, he is mimicking what Pope Francis has said the other
    day, expressing his own desire for Ukraine to "raise the white
    flag" - without expressly telling Ukrainians to surrender their
    own land to Mother Russia.

    Carinal Parolin then went on to say which side should raise the
    white flag first, as "It should be the aggressors who cease fire
    first and then the opening of negotiations."

    Oh, my. Russia invades Crimea (a part of Ukraine) in 2014. And
    then claimed Crimea as part of its own land. With no negotiations
    at all with any other country. And then, Russia went back for more,
    in 2022, invading more sections of Ukraine. With no negotiations
    with any other country.

    And still, Cardinal Parolin continues his mantra, claiming "...
    negoatiating is not weakness but strength. It's not surrender but
    courage."

    My, my. The Vatican Secretary of State most certainly is deluded.
    So is the Pope, who is always dressed in white, as if to make himself
    appear innocent of all that is going on around him.

    It doesn't take much research to find out when and where the white
    flag principle began. It has been around for centuries, in various
    cultures around the world. Easily understood by all what it means.

    In fact, the white flag was written into the Geneva Conventions
    in the 19th century as the official international symbol of surrender.
    So how could the Vatican Secretary of State, and the Pope, not know
    the very basic of the meaning of the white flag? It means SURRENDER!

    According to the Geneva Conventions, it is illegal to feign surrender
    with a white flag. Can anybody in their right mind imagine any warring
    party faking it in order to keep themselves from getting slaughtered?

    The Pope and all his Swiss Guards must be mad. Truly mad. Stalin
    was right when he asked the question - "How many battalions does the
    pope have?"

    Now we know why the Pope never excommunicated Hitler.

    The white flag is still the international standard and it is used
    both in combat situations and popular culture. So when did it come
    to mean something other than "surrender"?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, March 14, 2024 08:59:50
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 13.03.2024 06:36

    LL> It doesn't take much research to find out when and where the
    LL> white flag principle began. It has been around for centuries,
    LL> in various cultures around the world. Easily understood by all
    LL> what it means.
    LL> In fact, the white flag was written into the Geneva Conventions
    LL> in the 19th century as the official international symbol of
    LL> surrender. So how could the Vatican Secretary of State, and the
    LL> Pope, not know ??the very basic of the meaning of the white
    LL> flag? It means SURRENDER!

    Surrender can be different. If less idiots have been in Kiev they could
    have ordered the Ukrainian army not to do a single shot. And Russian
    troops also would have no reasons to shoot. It would have been a funny situation when Russian troops could let defile along Ukrainian roads
    having behind, on the right, on left the Ukrainian guns constantly
    connected with Russian army temple. It could have been a funny bloodless
    war company in humans history, and the resolution of the conflict could
    be found peacefully, especially while it was perfectly obvious that
    making slaves from Ukrainians was not Russia's aim... Well, if less
    idiots have been in Kiev... who valued human lives of Ukrainians.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, March 14, 2024 10:16:01
    Alexander,

    It's good to see you're alive and doing well...

    And Russian troops also would have no reasons to shoot.

    Russian troops, as it was, had no reason to start firing in the first place, it was them that did and the only thing they had coming their way was defensive fire.

    ... especially while it was perfectly obvious that
    making slaves from Ukrainians was not Russia's aim...

    Hmmm ... you must've seen the Russian version of FoxNews.

    Putin has repeatedly declared that the Ukrainian state had no historical reason for being, it should be wiped away ... erased from the pages of history ... Military annexation in several steps ... first Crimea to see how the West would react, then Ukraine, then the Baltic states. then Poland...

    The only reason how Donald Trump could become elected was Russian intervention because Putin knew he was a hidden ally, and it was all part of the grand scheme ... and it continues ....

    The Americans need to understand their Presidential elections this year are not about who's the better President for the USA (because ... really ... nobody is served well by gerontocracy) ... it's about the de-stabilisation of NATO, undermining the upport and survival of Ukraine and enabling the expansionist dreams of a handful of egoists in Moscow.

    Slaves? You have become the slave .. sir.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, March 14, 2024 16:41:59
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday March 14 2024 08:59, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    Surrender can be different. If less idiots have been in Kiev they

    BTW, you live in a city where people are even forbidden to vote for their own mayor because they are so stupid that they cannot make any smart decisions ;)

    I think it's fair enough - all smart guys moved to Moscow and you follow their orders without the slightest hint of doubt because you know - you would have made many mistakes on your own.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Friday, March 15, 2024 00:16:31
    Hello Alexander,

    It doesn't take much research to find out when and where the
    white flag principle began. It has been around for centuries,
    in various cultures around the world. Easily understood by all
    what it means.

    Easily understood is a claim, but not an empty one. Which type
    of claim makes all the difference in the world. Which is why there
    are only three of them (in someone else's territory) -
    * a legal claim
    * an emotional claim
    * an accidental claim

    So which type of claim(s) are all these differing warring parties
    talking about? Could be all of them for all we know.

    In fact, the white flag was written into the Geneva Conventions
    in the 19th century as the official international symbol of
    surrender. So how could the Vatican Secretary of State, and the
    Pope, not know ??the very basic of the meaning of the white
    flag? It means SURRENDER!

    Surrender can be different.

    In an interview recorded last month with Swiss broadcaster RSI
    the Pope used the phrase "the courage of the white flag" as he
    argued in favor of Ukraine throwing in the towel in surrender
    to its nemesis - without saying out loud who that nemesis is.

    If less idiots have been in Kiev they could have ordered the Ukrainian army
    not to do a single shot.

    The Vatican Secretary of State tried to clarify the Pope's
    remarks by blaming it all on Russia, knowing full well that
    no Russian soldier worth his salt would ever open fire on
    innocent men, women, children, and babies. Idiots, maybe.
    Except only by mistake.

    And then he went on to blame both Hamas and Israel for causing
    the mess in Gaza, claiming both sides should surrender.

    Sometimes I wonder about the sanity of theologians.

    And Russian troops also would have no reasons to shoot.

    That is the truth. The whole truth. And nothing but the truth.

    It would have been a funny situation when Russian troops could let defile along Ukrainian roads having behind, on the right, on left the Ukrainian guns constantly connected with Russian army temple.

    They rolled out the red carpet in Hollywood the other night
    for the Oscar Awards. With a comedian from Ukraine leading the
    way. Won the award for best documentary about a town that no
    longer exists.

    It could have been a funny bloodless war company in humans history, and the
    resolution of the conflict could be found peacefully,

    The film "Oppenheimer" also won a bunch of awards. But Opie wanted
    a different ending, with a demonstration to show the Emperor his true intentions were far different from what Harry Truman wanted. What
    Harry Truman wanted was gooks going up in a giant fireball.

    especially while it was perfectly obvious that making slaves from Ukrainians
    was not Russia's aim...

    What was the purpose of dropping two atomic bombs on Japanese
    cities? How many innocents lost their lives as a result? Truman
    hated Asians. Especially Japanese. But that was not his main
    reason. Nobody wants to say it, but we all know the real reason.

    Hint: The Japanese military had offered a total surrender a full
    month before atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

    Well, if less idiots have been in Kiev... who valued human lives of Ukrainians.

    "Many young people, many young people go to die (in war). Let's
    pray to the Lord to give us the grace to overcome this madness of
    war, which is always a defeat." ~Pope Francis, 13 March 2024

    Russian President Vladimir Putin then contratulated Pope Francis
    on the 11th anniversary of his election as pope.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Friday, March 15, 2024 02:46:42

    x) Thursday Mar 14, 2024, 08:59. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Lee Lofaso.

    It doesn't take much research to find out when and where the
    white flag principle began. It has been around for centuries,
    in various cultures around the world. Easily understood by all
    what it means.
    In fact, the white flag was written into the Geneva Conventions
    in the 19th century as the official international symbol of
    surrender. So how could the Vatican Secretary of State, and the
    Pope, not know ??the very basic of the meaning of the white
    flag? It means SURRENDER!
    Surrender can be different. If less idiots have been in Kiev they could have ordered the Ukrainian army not to do a single shot.

    If less idiots have been in Kremlin they could have ordered the Russian army not to enter Crimea and other parts of Ukraine in 2014...

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Friday, March 15, 2024 09:25:03
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 14.03.2024 11:16

    WD> It's good to see you're alive and doing well...

    The same can be said to FIDO in general. ;)

    ak>> And Russian troops also would have no reasons to shoot.

    WD> Russian troops, as it was, had no reason to start firing in the
    WD> first place, it was them that did and the only thing they had
    WD> coming their way was defensive fire.

    I have told you my point of view. For the new Ukrainian authority there
    were two variants. Do as I had said -- just follow invaded Russian
    troops, do not fight with them and save army, save hundreds of thousands
    of human lives, don't obey Putin's orders of course. As the second
    variant -- for those who forgot what a war is -- to fight with Russia as
    a ram does with an iron gates, until the end, without any hope to defeat
    this country, and lose hundreds of thousands people.

    For the first variant Ukrainian president must be a shrewd person, not a
    fool psychopath. Although, the clown is always such a person. And people
    must know it when they elect such people to power.

    ak>> ... especially while it was perfectly obvious that making slaves
    ak>> from Ukrainians was not Russia's aim...

    WD> Hmmm... you must've seen the Russian version of FoxNews.

    The defence of people in Russian part of Ukraine (its east and south),
    who has not accepted the unlawful coup in Kiev in 2014 has still been
    the main aim of Russia. These people have had full right do not
    recognize the new Kiev's authority and fight for their infringed rights.
    They have Putin as a defender, they have no choice if they hope to
    continue speaking Russian and be Russians. Nationality is a property of
    soul, not the place of birth or orders.

    WD> Putin has repeatedly declared that the Ukrainian state had no
    WD> historical reason for being, it should be wiped away... erased from
    WD> the pages of history... Military annexation in several steps...

    Everything was OK until nationalists violently came to power in 2014.
    Until that date the relations between Ukraine and Russia were OK and
    nobody could imagine the war, even in nightmare. Violence caused violence.

    WD> first Crimea to see how the West would react, then Ukraine, then
    WD> the Baltic states. then Poland...

    As for other states Russia has no motive and reason to attack them,
    unless these countries hold military aggression towards Russia.

    WD> The only reason how Donald Trump could become elected was Russian
    WD> intervention because Putin knew he was a hidden ally, and it was
    WD> all part of the grand scheme... and it continues....

    Old fairy tales of democrats. Slender and dirt in a usual way of
    political fight. I don't defend Trump. For me an old infirm fellow is
    safe and better for the world than aggressive person with unstable
    mentality, who looks like a kettle about to boil.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Friday, March 15, 2024 09:44:22
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 15.03.2024 03:46

    LL>>> It doesn't take much research to find out when and where the
    LL>>> white flag principle began. It has been around for centuries, in
    LL>>> various cultures around the world. Easily understood by all what
    LL>>> it means. In fact, the white flag was written into the Geneva
    LL>>> Conventions in the 19th century as the official international
    LL>>> symbol of surrender. So how could the Vatican Secretary of State,
    LL>>> and the Pope, not know?? the very basic of the meaning of the
    LL>>> white flag? It means SURRENDER!
    ak>> Surrender can be different. If less idiots have been in Kiev they
    ak>> could have ordered the Ukrainian army not to do a single shot.

    AS> If less idiots have been in Kremlin they could have ordered the
    AS> Russian army not to enter Crimea and other parts of Ukraine in
    AS> 2014...

    Violation of law -- that is the main reason of the present day havoc in Ukraine. It is a lesson for all the world.
    Lawful, elected President of Ukraine had been outthrown by the mob,
    despite the fact that the majority of Ukrainians elected him. This event
    could not pass without consequence. As I said before here -- the people
    who elected the outthrown President from Crimea, southern and eastern
    Ukraine had full right to be outraged, do not accept new authority in
    Kiev and even fight against it, especially when they became the target
    of the military suppression by the Ukrainian army. Russia could not stay
    away, whoever was in power there, unless it lost conscience and proud
    not defending those Russians in Ukraine.

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Friday, March 15, 2024 08:43:35
    Alex,

    Lawful, elected President of Ukraine had been outthrown by the mob,

    The Tsar was thrown out by the mob ...

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Friday, March 15, 2024 20:17:16

    x) Friday Mar 15, 2024, 09:44. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    Surrender can be different. If less idiots have been in Kiev they
    could have ordered the Ukrainian army not to do a single shot.
    If less idiots have been in Kremlin they could have ordered the
    Russian army not to enter Crimea and other parts of Ukraine in
    2014...
    Lawful, elected President of Ukraine had been outthrown by the mob,

    No, it was revolution, after he ran away from his people.

    could not pass without consequence. As I said before here -- the people who elected the outthrown President from Crimea, southern and eastern Ukraine had full right to be outraged, do not accept new authority in
    Kiev and even fight against it, especially when they became the target
    of the military suppression by the Ukrainian army.

    It was not the native people, it was paramilitary Russian groups, then Russian army.

    Russia could not stay away, whoever was in power there, unless it
    lost conscience and proud not defending those Russians in Ukraine.

    They could have just accepted all those Russians back, not to invade foreign country.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Friday, March 15, 2024 21:41:27
    Hello, alexander!

    Friday March 15 2024 09:25, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    I have told you my point of view. For the new Ukrainian authority

    You only say what the Russian state allows, otherwise you will be arrested for your statements in Fidonet, will be beaten for a long time during interrogations, and you may die in prison. That's all there is to know about the supporters of Russian politics in Ukraine.

    You cannot even accept that Russian army invaded Eastern Urkaine in 2014 - because Russians police is not just beating prisoners, they like to rape prisoners using some handy stick.

    Our country became a madman's dream :(

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Monday, March 18, 2024 09:11:15
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 15.03.2024 21:17

    ak>>>> Surrender can be different. If less idiots have been in Kiev
    ak>>>> they could have ordered the Ukrainian army not to do a single
    ak>>>> shot.
    AS>>> If less idiots have been in Kremlin they could have ordered the
    AS>>> Russian army not to enter Crimea and other parts of Ukraine in
    AS>>> 2014...
    ak>> Lawful, elected President of Ukraine had been outthrown by the
    ak>> mob,

    AS> No, it was revolution, after he ran away from his people.

    "Revolution" is another word for "coup" or mutiny. BTW, the attempt of
    capture the Capitol, after Trump losing the elections, is very similar
    event and is considered in the USA as a heavy crime. Again, we can note,
    that for some people in the USA it was not a crime. Similarily, the
    Ukrainian nationalists from western Ukraine don't think they commit a
    crime. But as a rule every revolution causes a civil war.

    Again and again -- law is very important! Yushchenko won Ukrainian
    president elections in 2005 (defeating Yanukovich), and then _everybody_
    in Ukraine excepted it. Because it was a legal event. Russia also had no motive to to interfere.

    ak>> could not pass without consequence. As I said before here -- the
    ak>> people who elected the outthrown President from Crimea, southern
    ak>> and eastern Ukraine had full right to be outraged, do not accept
    ak>> new authority in Kiev and even fight against it, especially when
    ak>> they became the target of the military suppression by the
    ak>> Ukrainian army.

    AS> It was not the native people, it was paramilitary Russian groups,
    AS> then Russian army.

    Protasov told me about a group of 50 paramilitaries who entered Ukraine
    then. But it was in vain, unless local people fight also. As for the
    real Russian army -- it was not in Donbass until 2022 because there are
    no reports it used aviation, long range rockets as it does now. It is
    funny to think than somebody sends his army to somewhere and prohibits
    it using heavy weapon.

    ak>> Russia could not stay away, whoever was in power there, unless it
    ak>> lost conscience and proud not defending those Russians in Ukraine.

    AS> They could have just accepted all those Russians back, not to
    AS> invade foreign country.

    If to be true, it must be said that during the USSR time at least 40
    percent people in Ukraine were Russian people. After Ukraine became independent they were ordered ;-) to consider themselves as Ukrainians
    and it was the shame and a time bomb. In short it is a crazy idea to
    suggest to millions of Russians in Ukraine go to Russia. They live on
    their own land and defend it.

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Monday, March 18, 2024 09:30:32
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 16.03.2024 00:41

    DP> You cannot even accept that Russian army invaded Eastern
    DP> Urkaine in 2014 - because Russians police is not just beating
    DP> prisoners, they like to rape prisoners using some handy stick.
    DP> Our country became a madman's dream :(

    When I said about idiots in Ukraine I meant another thing. If you were a
    silly school boy I would explain it like this:

    Suppose two boxers are fighting (in the street, no referee). The first
    boxer is twice as heavy to the second one and also has twice longer
    hands (and twice bigger fists). So, in which way must fight the second
    smaller boxer?

    If the second boxer is a fucking idiot (like Zelensky) he will fight the
    same direct infighting as the big boxer does. The smaller boxer will be covered with blood, bruises, amputated limbs and brain concussion.

    But a clever little boxer (not a fucking idiot) will not infighting with
    the big boxer. He will round him as a horse-fly or as a crazy little
    dog, bite the bigger one from all sides not putting his mug under big
    boxers blows.

    That's how Ukraine should have treated Russian invasion. Then no
    destroyed cities, no hundreds of thousands killed, no millions invalids.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Monday, March 18, 2024 07:19:15
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday March 18 2024 09:30, you wrote to me:

    You cannot even accept that Russian army invaded Eastern
    Urkaine in 2014 - because Russians police is not just beating
    prisoners, they like to rape prisoners using some handy stick.
    Our country became a madman's dream :(

    When I said about idiots in Ukraine I meant another thing. If you were

    Since you believe in all the bullshit that Putin says on our state TV, I presume that for you, 'idiot' means something different, like 'an idiot is a person who doesn't believe Russian propaganda.

    a silly school boy I would explain it like this:

    Since you are unaware of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014, it appears you know very little about our country. Why is that?
    You don't even have time to read books written by Russians who participated in that invasion

    Suppose two boxers are fighting (in the street, no referee). The first
    boxer is twice as heavy to the second one and also has twice longer
    hands (and twice bigger fists). So, in which way must fight the
    second smaller boxer?

    If the second boxer is a fucking idiot (like Zelensky) he will fight

    Probably you've never participated in street fights, that's why you are so naive!
    Street fight is a very different thing where weight is not always that important.

    the same direct infighting as the big boxer does. The smaller boxer
    will be covered with blood, bruises, amputated limbs and brain
    concussion.

    If you encounter our cannibal-heroes who have been pardoned by presidents, they might eat your body parts too.
    Russia now resembles a nightmarish circus, where cannibals are hailed as heroes and child molesters are employed in schools because they have killed some Ukrainians in this war.

    That's how Ukraine should have treated Russian invasion. Then no
    destroyed cities, no hundreds of thousands killed, no millions
    invalids.

    They'd better do what they want without advice from people who are foolish enough to be barred even from electing their mayor.
    Just always follow the orders from Moscow, that's your choice :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Monday, March 18, 2024 07:19:30
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday March 18 2024 09:11, you wrote to Alex Shuman:

    It was not the native people, it was paramilitary Russian
    groups, then Russian army.

    Protasov told me about a group of 50 paramilitaries who entered
    Ukraine then. But it was in vain, unless local people fight also. As
    for the real Russian army -- it was not in Donbass until 2022 because

    That's pathetic! I even personally know people who participated in that invasion with the Russian army in September 2014.
    Yet it was limited because Putin feared international sanctions.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tuesday, March 19, 2024 09:21:01
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 18.03.2024 10:19


    DP> Since you believe in all the bullshit that Putin says on our state
    DP> TV, I presume that for you, 'idiot' means something different,
    DP> like 'an idiot is a person who doesn't believe Russian propaganda.

    If you have not understood me, read my message about fucking idiots in
    Kiev once more.

    ak>> a silly school boy I would explain it like this:
    DP> Since you are unaware of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014,
    DP> it appears you know very little about our country. Why is that? You
    DP> don't even have time to read books written by Russians who
    DP> participated in that invasion

    Don't tell rubbish. When the USA wanted to defend Albanians in Serbia
    they did military actions against Serbian troops and they didn't ask
    anybody for the permission, and spit at the world opinion. Russia in a
    similar way defended Russians in Ukraine who fought against the new
    unlawful power in Kiev after 2014. Russians are majority in eastern and southern Ukraine regions and they want to separate from Ukraine, as
    Albanians wanted to separate from Serbia.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Tuesday, March 19, 2024 08:29:51
    Alexander,

    Don't tell rubbish. When the USA wanted to defend Albanians in Serbia
    they did military actions against Serbian troops and they didn't ask anybody for the permission, and spit at the world opinion.

    Actually, was that not a UN-intervention mandated by the Security Council?

    Two of my cousins, Belgian nationality, served on those missions ...

    Russia in a
    similar way defended Russians in Ukraine who fought against the new unlawful power in Kiev after 2014.

    So you now agree there "were" Russian military active in the Donbass from 2014 onwards ...

    Russians are majority in eastern and
    southern Ukraine regions and they want to separate from Ukraine,...

    To my knowledge they were, and still are, citizens of the democratic autonomous country of Ukraine ... That's where the buck seems to stop.

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, March 20, 2024 08:52:28
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 19.03.2024 09:29

    ak>> Don't tell rubbish. When the USA wanted to defend Albanians
    ak>> in Serbia they did military actions against Serbian troops
    ak>> and they didn't ask anybody for the permission, and spit at
    ak>> the world opinion.
    WD>
    WD> Actually, was that not a UN-intervention mandated by the
    WD> Security Council?
    WD> Two of my cousins, Belgian nationality, served on those
    WD> missions ...

    ;-) Do you beleive that the attack was on the agenda of the Security
    Council and Russia and Chine approved it and did not vetoed it?

    PS: western lying propaganda

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, March 20, 2024 09:11:38
    Alexander,

    Actually, was that not a UN-intervention mandated by the
    Security Council?
    Two of my cousins, Belgian nationality, served on those
    missions ...

    ;-) Do you beleive that the attack was on the agenda of the Security Council and Russia and Chine approved it and did not vetoed it?

    PS: western lying propaganda

    My dear friend, you have just demonstrated you have no clue what you are talking about.

    If Russia and/or China had vetoed the intervention, it simply would not have happened. That's how the UN system works.

    Listening to what my cousins had to say about it, it was not as clear-cut as your system is intending to make you believe ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, March 20, 2024 14:42:07
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 20.03.2024 10:11

    ak>>WD> Actually, was that not a UN-intervention mandated by
    ak>> theWD> Security Council?
    ak>>WD> Two of my cousins, Belgian nationality, served on
    ak>> thoseWD> missions ...
    WD>
    ak>> ;-) Do you beleive that the attack was on the agenda of the
    ak>> Security Council and Russia and Chine approved it and did
    ak>> not vetoed it?
    WD>
    ak>> PS: western lying propaganda
    WD>
    WD> My dear friend, you have just demonstrated you have no clue
    WD> what you are talking about.
    WD> If Russia and/or China had vetoed the intervention, it simply
    WD> would not have happened. That's how the UN system works.
    WD> Listening to what my cousins had to say about it, it was not as
    WD> clear-cut as your system is intending to make you believe ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    NATO countries attempted to gain authorisation from the UN Security
    Council for military action, but were opposed by China and Russia, who indicated that they would veto such a measure. As a result, NATO
    launched its campaign without the UN's approval, stating that it was a humanitarian intervention.
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    Wiki is not a perfect source of course, but you cannot find anything on
    this issue in official western propaganda. Otherwise people looked at
    Russian operation in Ukraine at different angle. In short NATO's
    operation in Serbia gave the precedent -- if you want to do it very much
    do it and spit at others.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, March 20, 2024 17:35:54
    Wiki is not a perfect source of course, but you cannot find anything on this issue in official western propaganda.

    I haven't researched it but there probably are pages lauding Vladimir Putin for his visionary thinking and great ledership.

    Wikipedia is full of errors ...

    My cousins were there and they wore a blue UN-beret ... UN troops, not NATO.

    Otherwise people looked at
    Russian operation in Ukraine at different angle.

    Hardly. Everybody sees it for what it is/was ... a violent unprovoked attack of a peaceful nation.

    Any destabilisation in the region carries the name "Russia" in bold letters.

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, March 21, 2024 08:52:51
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 20.03.2024 18:35

    ak>> Wiki is not a perfect source of course, but you cannot find
    ak>> anything on this issue in official western propaganda.
    WD>
    WD> I haven't researched it but there probably are pages lauding
    WD> Vladimir Putin for his visionary thinking and great ledership.
    WD> Wikipedia is full of errors ...
    WD>
    WD> My cousins were there and they wore a blue UN-beret ... UN
    WD> troops, not NATO.

    ;-)
    In other words you have just said that there had been held a UN Security Council where Russia and China agreed to bomb Serbia. What a miserable lie.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, March 21, 2024 09:53:45
    In other words you have just said that there had been held a UN Security Council where Russia and China agreed to bomb Serbia. What a miserable
    lie.

    What I have said is that it has been debated in the Security Council, no resolution was voted upon, neither was one to oppose action. The political way-out was not to have one formally so no-one needed to show their true colours ... including Russia and China. They agreed to action without to formally lift a finger.

    Other than that, we all know the effectiveness of the Security Council. As long as there will be rogue nations such as Russia, China and now Iran it will not work.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Friday, March 22, 2024 09:24:24
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 21.03.2024 10:53

    ak>> In other words you have just said that there had been held a UN
    ak>> Security Council where Russia and China agreed to bomb Serbia.
    ak>> What a miserable lie.

    WD> What I have said is that it has been debated in the Security
    WD> Council, no resolution was voted upon, neither was one to oppose
    WD> action.

    ;-))) However Russia and China had openly claimed they would veto the resolution about the military intervention -- you call it "no one was opposed". Ridiculous.

    WD> The political way-out was not to have one formally so no-
    WD> one needed to show their true colours... including Russia and
    WD> China. They agreed to action without to formally lift a finger.

    Russia and China just could do nothing. It is like nobody can do
    anything to prevent killing thousands of children in Gaza by Israeli
    troops. It is useless convene the Security Council on this issue -- the
    US will veto any resolution to stop mass killings in Gaza.

    WD> Other than that, we all know the effectiveness of the Security
    WD> Council. As long as there will be rogue nations such as Russia,
    WD> China and now Iran it will not work.

    I will not discuss who are rogue countries, but it perfectly clear to me
    that the western double standards in treating military crimes in Gaza
    and Russian operation in Ukraine show clearly who is a hypocrite. I wish
    you ("justice defenders") so that thousands killed Palestinian children
    come to you in nightmare and point at you with their broken bloody fingers.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Friday, March 22, 2024 08:52:59
    I will not discuss who are rogue countries, but it perfectly clear to me that the western double standards in treating military crimes in Gaza
    and Russian operation in Ukraine show clearly who is a hypocrite. I wish you ("justice defenders") so that thousands killed Palestinian children come to you in nightmare and point at you with their broken bloody
    fingers.

    In that region the real problem is Iran fighting a number of proxy-wars via their armed militia known as Hamas, Hezbollah, Houti ... and now they are providing weapons to Russia ... It's not Saudi-Arabia, it's mot the Emirates ... remove Iran from the equation and the Middle-East violence stops...remove the clergy, disband the revolutionary guards and the violence stops.

    As for the number of people killed ... show the corpses ... Just like that Russian airplane that crashed with so-called a hundred Ukrainian prisoners of war (with hardly a guard) ... show the corpses ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Siggi Schoenicke@2:240/1120.1210 to Ward Dossche on Friday, March 22, 2024 10:22:42
    Hi Ward,

    22 Mrz 24 08:52, Ward Dossche schrieb an alexander koryagin:


    I will not discuss who are rogue countries,

    ...

    In that region the real problem is Iran fighting a number of

    ...

    Why are you ignoring our own rules on FidoNet?

    Personally, that just annoys me! :-(

    This is the wrong place for your discussion!

    Tschuesz,

    Siggi

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Siggi Schoenicke on Friday, March 22, 2024 12:19:28
    Siggi,

    Why are you ignoring our own rules on FidoNet?

    I don't determine the rules in this echo, someone else does, and that person knows that should he tell me to dimm it, I will.

    Other than that, not recognising that Iran is waging a number of proxy wars in the Middle East might hurt your anus once you need to retrieve your head from it.

    Take care,

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alexander Grotewohl@1:120/616 to Ward Dossche on Friday, March 22, 2024 14:59:52
    On 22 Mar 2024, Ward Dossche said the following...

    Other than that, not recognising that Iran is waging a number of proxy wars in the Middle East might hurt your anus once you need to retrieve your head from it.

    did one of these famous cousins of yours teach you that joke?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Friday, March 22, 2024 22:34:22
    Hello Ward,

    I will not discuss who are rogue countries, but it perfectly clear to me
    that the western double standards in treating military crimes in Gaza
    and Russian operation in Ukraine show clearly who is a hypocrite. I wish
    you ("justice defenders") so that thousands killed Palestinian children
    come to you in nightmare and point at you with their broken bloody
    fingers.

    In that region the real problem is Iran fighting a number of proxy-wars via
    their armed militia known as Hamas, Hezbollah, Houti ...

    You are saying all Muslims, whether Shia or Sunni, are terrorists?
    What about Christians, whether Catholic or Protestant? Are they also terrorists? What about Jews? Do they get an exemption?

    and now they are providing weapons to Russia ...

    Terrorists providing weapons to a criminal ruler of a criminal state
    and people. That's a good one, Ward. Even for you.

    It's not Saudi-Arabia, it's mot the Emirates ...

    There are two million innocent men, women, and children in Gaza.
    Many of them starving, including women who are pregnant. Well over
    35,000 civilisns have been killed, so far, with far more who will
    be joining them very soon. Over one million of those civilians are
    fenced in Rafa, surrounded by Israeli troops, and will become part
    of the rubble that will be made of what used to be a city.

    And yet Saudi Arabia continues to refuse to allow any Palestinian
    to seek refuge on their soil. The same with the Emirates and other
    Arab states.

    So please. Do not blame everything on the USA or Russia for causing
    the fine mess created by your good friends in Israel.

    remove Iran from the equation and the Middle-East violence stops...

    Shia Muslims and Sunni Muslims have never been the best of friends.
    Kind of like Catholics and Protestants. Only with lethal weapons.

    remove the clergy,

    An atheist world? Dream on, my friend. Dream on.

    disband the revolutionary guards and the violence stops.

    Palestinian kids love to throw rocks at soldiers. And tanks.
    Have you ever taken a look at the size of those rocks? They are
    exactly the same size as a major league baseball. And also the
    exact same weight. Imagine the millions of dollars they could
    make if they signed up as pitchers for tne Yankees or Astros ...

    As for the number of people killed ... show the corpses ...

    Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Remember, corpses are
    also counted as hostages ...

    Just like that Russian airplane that crashed with so-called a hundred Ukrainian prisoners of war (with hardly a guard) ... show the corpses ...

    The rumor mill must be in full swing in your part of the world.
    Everybody knows that planes do not just fall out of the sky.
    Kind of like people falling out of windows in tall buildings.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, March 23, 2024 04:24:09
    Hello Ward,

    Why are you ignoring our own rules on FidoNet?

    I don't determine the rules in this echo, someone else does, and that person
    knows that should he tell me to dimm it, I will.

    Same here.

    Other than that, not recognising that Iran is waging a number of proxy wars
    in the Middle East might hurt your anus once you need to retrieve your head
    from it.

    Oh, come now. You know better than that, as the president of Iran
    is freely elected by his own people, with no real opposition. Kind
    of like the guy in Russia, but with a Grand Ayatollah making sure
    the president never makes any mistakes.

    That is why the Ayatollah Khomeini released 52 Americans being
    held hostage in Iran the day Ronald Reagan took office.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Tuesday, March 26, 2024 00:54:04

    x) Monday Mar 18, 2024, 09:11. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    No, it was revolution, after he ran away from his people.
    "Revolution" is another word for "coup" or mutiny.

    It depends... This one was certainly people's will and not a military coup.

    BTW, the attempt of
    capture the Capitol, after Trump losing the elections, is very similar event and is considered in the USA as a heavy crime.

    It because they were minority (most of people did not support their ways) and attacked government buildings instead of peaceful protest.

    Again and again -- law is very important! Yushchenko won Ukrainian president elections in 2005 (defeating Yanukovich), and then _everybody_ in Ukraine excepted it. Because it was a legal event. Russia also had no motive to to interfere.

    Then Yanukovich won, then people got tired of him and his anti-people politics, then Russia decided to interfere.

    It was not the native people, it was paramilitary Russian groups,
    then Russian army.
    Protasov told me about a group of 50 paramilitaries who entered
    Ukraine then. But it was in vain, unless local people fight also. As
    for the real Russian army -- it was not in Donbass until 2022 because there are no reports it used aviation, long range rockets as it does
    now. It is funny to think than somebody sends his army to somewhere
    and prohibits it using heavy weapon.

    Most of fighters were from Russia. They used Russian weapons.

    Russia could not stay away, whoever was in power there, unless it
    lost conscience and proud not defending those Russians in Ukraine.
    They could have just accepted all those Russians back, not to
    invade foreign country.
    If to be true, it must be said that during the USSR time at least 40 percent people in Ukraine were Russian people. After Ukraine became independent they were ordered ;-) to consider themselves as Ukrainians
    and it was the shame and a time bomb. In short it is a crazy idea to suggest to millions of Russians in Ukraine go to Russia. They live on their own land and defend it.

    Well, they either could go to Russia or accept their Ukrainian citizenship, not to invite Russia to start a colonial war. Also, don't mix Russian-speaking people with Russian citizens.

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Tuesday, March 26, 2024 00:49:10

    x) Friday Mar 22, 2024, 09:24. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Ward Dossche.


    I will not discuss who are rogue countries, but it perfectly clear to me that the western double standards in treating military crimes in Gaza
    and Russian operation in Ukraine show clearly who is a hypocrite.

    Well, both Hamas and Russia started it.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Tuesday, March 26, 2024 14:42:19
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 26.03.2024 01:49

    ak>> I will not discuss who are rogue countries, but it
    ak>> perfectly clear to me that the western double standards in
    ak>> treating military crimes in Gaza and Russian operation in
    ak>> Ukraine show clearly who is a hypocrite.
    AS>
    AS> Well, both Hamas and Russia started it.

    It has been started by the occupation of Palestinian lands long ago, if somebody suffers from senility. And every nation has right to fight with occupants, as they said me. When the occupant complains about nasty
    partisans it sounds funny.

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Tuesday, March 26, 2024 15:28:15
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 26.03.2024 01:54

    AS>>> No, it was revolution, after he ran away from his people.
    ak>> "Revolution" is another word for "coup" or mutiny.
    AS> It depends... This one was certainly people's will and not a
    AS> military coup.

    It was the people's will... of the half of Ukraine. Or even less, taking
    into account how many people elected Yanukovich. That's why another part
    of Ukraine has not accepted this "will".

    ak>> BTW, the attempt of capture the Capitol, after Trump losing the
    ak>> elections, is very similar event and is considered in the USA as a
    ak>> heavy crime.

    AS> It because they were minority (most of people did not support their
    AS> ways) and attacked government buildings instead of peaceful
    AS> protest.

    Minority! Trump is also supported by almost a half of Americans. And
    most active of these people had come to the Capitol. If they had managed
    to depose Biden and the Republican majority in Congress approved it --
    it would have been the same situation as in Ukraine. And surely, many
    American would not accept the coup which violate their choice.

    ak>> Again and again -- law is very important! Yushchenko won Ukrainian
    ak>> president elections in 2005 (defeating Yanukovich), and
    ak>> then _everybody_ in Ukraine excepted it. Because it was a legal
    ak>> event. Russia also had no motive to to interfere.

    AS> Then Yanukovich won, then people got tired of him and his anti-
    AS> people politics, then Russia decided to interfere.

    Elections then were a perfectly legal way to dismiss President. And it
    is funny to listen when somebody says about all the people, "They
    tired"! ;-) And they made a revolution! It is funny to hear such an
    agrument as the justification for the political coup in Ukraine -- then
    the democratic country without any tyranny!!!

    AS>>> It was not the native people, it was paramilitary Russian groups,
    AS>>> then Russian army.
    ak>> Protasov told me about a group of 50 paramilitaries who entered
    ak>> Ukraine then. But it was in vain, unless local people fight also.
    ak>> As for the real Russian army -- it was not in Donbass until 2022
    ak>> because there are no reports it used aviation, long range rockets
    ak>> as it does now. It is funny to think than somebody sends his army
    ak>> to somewhere and prohibits it using heavy weapon.

    AS> Most of fighters were from Russia. They used Russian weapons.

    In Donbass the rebels captured military bases and got a lot of weapon.
    Why does it sound incredible?

    ak>>>> Russia could not stay away, whoever was in power there, unless
    ak>>>> it lost conscience and proud not defending those Russians in
    ak>>>> Ukraine.
    AS>>> They could have just accepted all those Russians back, not to
    AS>>> invade foreign country.
    ak>> If to be true, it must be said that during the USSR time at least
    ak>> 40 percent people in Ukraine were Russian people. After Ukraine
    ak>> became independent they were ordered ;-) to consider themselves as
    ak>> Ukrainians and it was the shame and a time bomb. In short it is a
    ak>> crazy idea to suggest to millions of Russians in Ukraine go to
    ak>> Russia. They live on their own land and defend it.

    AS> Well, they either could go to Russia or accept their Ukrainian
    AS> citizenship, not to invite Russia to start a colonial war. Also,
    AS> don't mix Russian-speaking people with Russian citizens.

    Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and Russians. And it could
    prosper like Switzerland or Canada. To demand people to leave their own
    land sounds nasty and ugly.

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Alex Shuman on Tuesday, March 26, 2024 06:28:00
    Alex Shuman wrote to alexander koryagin <=-


    BTW, the attempt of
    capture the Capitol, after Trump losing the elections, is very similar event and is considered in the USA as a heavy crime.

    It because they were minority (most of people did not support their
    ways) and attacked government buildings instead of peaceful protest.

    Showing up with a noose and threatening to hang the Vice President if
    he didn't do the ex-president's bidding was a pretty serious issue.
    Injuring and killing policemen means it was more than attacking
    buildings.



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Tuesday, March 26, 2024 17:24:49
    Dear Fido-friend,

    Minority! Trump is also supported by almost a half of Americans. And
    most active of these people had come to the Capitol. If they had managed
    to depose Biden and the Republican majority in Congress approved it --
    it would have been the same situation as in Ukraine. And surely, many American would not accept the coup which violate their choice.

    I don't think you understand the US-state of mind very well.

    There's a consitution there, a pretty impressive constitution that is very dear to the heart of Americans whether they ars Republican-leaning or Democrat.

    Application of that Constitution is observed by the Supreme Court who rules upon it.

    It's highly unlikely Biden would have been deposed Jan.20 2021, or not declared the President-elect because that would've ended in a civil war.

    Troops already had been called-in and they are sworn to uphold the Constitution ...

    Perhaps you should only talk about the things you understand ... whuich implies you should not raise your voice in here.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Tuesday, March 26, 2024 20:27:36

    x) Tuesday Mar 26, 2024, 14:42. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    I will not discuss who are rogue countries, but it
    perfectly clear to me that the western double standards in
    treating military crimes in Gaza and Russian operation in
    Ukraine show clearly who is a hypocrite.
    Well, both Hamas and Russia started it.
    It has been started by the occupation of Palestinian lands long ago,

    No, it was actually started by British Empire after WW2, and their way to manage Hebrew-Arab relations in their Palestinian mandate. Then British left and Arabs attacked Hebrews (they did not like the estabilishing of a Hebrew sovereign state). Hebrews won. And it continues into our time.

    if somebody suffers from senility. And every nation has right to
    fight with occupants, as they said me. When the occupant complains
    about nasty partisans it sounds funny.

    The ones who target civilians are not partisans but terrorists.

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Tuesday, March 26, 2024 20:37:22

    x) Tuesday Mar 26, 2024, 15:28. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    No, it was revolution, after he ran away from his people.
    "Revolution" is another word for "coup" or mutiny.
    It depends... This one was certainly people's will and not a
    military coup.
    It was the people's will... of the half of Ukraine. Or even less, taking into account how many people elected Yanukovich. That's why another part of Ukraine has not accepted this "will".

    Most of them accepted. Only a handful of paramilitaries did not.

    Minority! Trump is also supported by almost a half of Americans. And
    most active of these people had come to the Capitol. If they had managed to depose Biden and the Republican majority in Congress approved it --
    it would have been the same situation as in Ukraine. And surely, many American would not accept the coup which violate their choice.

    I mean, the ones who actually stormed the Capitol were a minority. And they commited crimes. On the other way, Maidan protests were mostly peaceful, until snipers began shooting random people (100+).

    Then Yanukovich won, then people got tired of him and his anti-
    people politics, then Russia decided to interfere.
    Elections then were a perfectly legal way to dismiss President. And it
    is funny to listen when somebody says about all the people, "They
    tired"! ;-) And they made a revolution! It is funny to hear such an agrument as the justification for the political coup in Ukraine -- then the democratic country without any tyranny!!!

    The actual problem was just before the revolution, introduction of "dictatorship laws" and attempt to turn Ukraine into a police state.

    Most of fighters were from Russia. They used Russian weapons.
    In Donbass the rebels captured military bases and got a lot of weapon.
    Why does it sound incredible?

    Most of weapons were smuggled from Russia border, though.

    Well, they either could go to Russia or accept their Ukrainian
    citizenship, not to invite Russia to start a colonial war. Also,
    don't mix Russian-speaking people with Russian citizens.
    Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and Russians.

    Indeed, it was. Before Putin annexed Crimea then supported fighting in East Ukraine then officially invaded Ukraine. We had quite good relations with Russia till then.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, March 27, 2024 08:56:42
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 26.03.2024 18:24

    ak>> Minority! Trump is also supported by almost a half of
    ak>> Americans. And most active of these people had come to the
    ak>> Capitol. If they had managed to depose Biden and the
    ak>> Republican majority in Congress approved it -- it would
    ak>> have been the same situation as in Ukraine. And surely,
    ak>> many American would not accept the coup which violate their
    ak>> choice.
    WD>
    WD> I don't think you understand the US-state of mind very well.
    WD>
    WD> There's a consitution there, a pretty impressive constitution
    WD> that is very dear to the heart of Americans whether they ars
    WD> Republican-leaning or Democrat.

    It was not the case in Ukraine of 2014. The parliament which had at that moment nationalistic majority approved all that had done the mob.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Wednesday, March 27, 2024 09:02:50
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 26.03.2024 21:27

    ak>> if somebody suffers from senility. And every nation has
    ak>> right to fight with occupants, as they said me. When the
    ak>> occupant complains about nasty partisans it sounds funny.
    AS>
    AS> The ones who target civilians are not partisans but terrorists.

    Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians and thousands
    of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Wednesday, March 27, 2024 09:22:06
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 26.03.2024 21:37

    AS>>> Well, they either could go to Russia or accept their
    AS>>> Ukrainian citizenship, not to invite Russia to start a
    AS>>> colonial war. Also, don't mix Russian-speaking people
    AS>>> with Russian citizens.
    ak>> Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and Russians.
    AS>
    AS> Indeed, it was. Before Putin annexed Crimea then supported
    AS> fighting in East Ukraine then officially invaded Ukraine. We
    AS> had quite good relations with Russia till then.

    Do you still believe people of Crimea are/were loyal to Ukraine and they
    never wanted to separate from it, after the coup in 2014?

    You should understand a simple thing - the Ukraine breakdown in 2014 was
    a perfect copy of the USSR breakdown after the coup in 1991. Extremists
    had come to power and many the USSR regions didn't accept it and
    claimed to be independent. Thanks to Gorbachev he didn't send troops to
    save a "single and holy Soviet Union". Blood had been avoided.

    In short, the people of Crimea had done what they had done only AFTER
    the coup which was the trigger of all the havoc in Ukraine.

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, March 27, 2024 09:08:56
    The ones who target civilians are not partisans but terrorists.

    Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians and thousands
    of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\

    The only confirmed numbers are the Israeli victims of the raid which caused all this.

    The numbers of Hamas, unverified, are just as reliable as Putins ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, March 28, 2024 09:11:34
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 27.03.2024 10:08

    ak>> Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians
    ak>> and thousands of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\
    WD>
    WD> The only confirmed numbers are the Israeli victims of the raid
    WD> which caused all this.
    WD> The numbers of Hamas, unverified, are just as reliable as
    WD> Putins ...

    Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple mass
    graves keep dead bodies well. For the he Hague trial. All people saw the criminal bombing in live reporting by Al-Jazira. Israel will answer for
    its hideous crimes in Gaza. If you are a Jew you are a bad Jew defending
    such a crime.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, March 28, 2024 00:04:16
    Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple mass
    graves keep dead bodies well.

    It looks similar to what is happening in Ukaraine.

    Civilian buildings and infrastructure under attack by the invasion forces contantly.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, March 28, 2024 09:12:59
    Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple mass
    graves keep dead bodies well. For the he Hague trial. All people saw the criminal bombing in live reporting by Al-Jazira. Israel will answer for
    its hideous crimes in Gaza. If you are a Jew you are a bad Jew defending such a crime.

    The Hamas-numbers are irrealistic, simple. If not independently verified there's little value to be attached ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, March 28, 2024 10:45:41

    x) Wednesday Mar 27, 2024, 09:02. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    if somebody suffers from senility. And every nation has
    right to fight with occupants, as they said me. When the
    occupant complains about nasty partisans it sounds funny.
    The ones who target civilians are not partisans but terrorists.
    Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians and thousands
    of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\

    I doubt Israel targeted civilians.

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, March 28, 2024 10:49:28

    x) Wednesday Mar 27, 2024, 09:22. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    Well, they either could go to Russia or accept their
    Ukrainian citizenship, not to invite Russia to start a
    colonial war. Also, don't mix Russian-speaking people
    with Russian citizens.
    Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and Russians.
    Indeed, it was. Before Putin annexed Crimea then supported
    fighting in East Ukraine then officially invaded Ukraine. We
    had quite good relations with Russia till then.
    Do you still believe people of Crimea are/were loyal to Ukraine and they never wanted to separate from it, after the coup in 2014?

    People - yes. Russian colonial government - no.

    In short, the people of Crimea had done what they had done only AFTER
    the coup which was the trigger of all the havoc in Ukraine.

    It was not people, it was Russian army.

    --- Neon BBS Line 2, 570-57-80, 20:30-06:30. [bbs.ncc.org.ua]
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Friday, March 29, 2024 09:20:53
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 28.03.2024 11:04

    ak>> Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple
    ak>> mass graves keep dead bodies well.

    AI> It looks similar to what is happening in Ukaraine.

    AI> Civilian buildings and infrastructure under attack by the invasion
    AI> forces contantly.

    Russian army has never bombed the civilian areas deliberately, at least
    when people live there. The only real threat for civilians in Ukraine is
    its air defence system which sometimes shots down Russia's rocket and
    they fall down in the residential area. The reason is simple - bombing civilians in Kiev, Ukraine East and South contradicts the main Putin's paradigm for this war -- "liberation Russian people from Nazi".
    Therefore Putin's army does all it can to prevent such strikes.

    Another matter in Gaza - Jews consider Palestinians as inferior people
    and they don't think long when they want to demolish another multi-story apartment noting a suspicious guy in the window.

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Friday, March 29, 2024 09:31:51
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 28.03.2024 11:45

    ak>>>> if somebody suffers from senility. And every
    ak>>>> nation has right to fight with occupants, as they
    ak>>>> said me. When the occupant complains about nasty
    ak>>>> partisans it sounds funny.
    AS>>> The ones who target civilians are not partisans but
    AS>>> terrorists.
    ak>> Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians
    ak>> and thousands of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\
    AS>
    AS> I doubt Israel targeted civilians.

    A lot of journalists around the world have worked in Gaza. Many have
    been killed by Israeli bombs thinking naive that if they are among
    civilians or in hospitals they are safe. The accusation of Israel in
    genocide has not been born of a empty place.

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Friday, March 29, 2024 09:38:35
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 28.03.2024 11:49

    ak>>>> Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and
    ak>>>> Russians.
    AS>>> Indeed, it was. Before Putin annexed Crimea then
    AS>>> supported fighting in East Ukraine then officially
    AS>>> invaded Ukraine. We had quite good relations with
    AS>>> Russia till then.
    ak>> Do you still believe people of Crimea are/were loyal to
    ak>> Ukraine and they never wanted to separate from it, after
    ak>> the coup in 2014?
    AS>
    AS> People - yes. Russian colonial government - no.

    You are blinded by Zelensky propaganda. Refresh you memory as it was in
    Crimea 2014 in reality.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTb-6xgQGpY

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Friday, March 29, 2024 21:36:29

    x) Friday Mar 29, 2024, 09:20. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alan Ianson.

    Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple
    mass graves keep dead bodies well.
    It looks similar to what is happening in Ukaraine.
    Civilian buildings and infrastructure under attack by the invasion
    forces contantly.
    Russian army has never bombed the civilian areas deliberately

    They doing it right now. Almost every day some civilians die in major cities due to Russian rockets/drones. And there are no military targets in these cities.

    paradigm for this war -- "liberation Russian people from Nazi".

    But the actual paradigm is "Restoration of the Russian empire", they even called the occuppied regions "New Russia".

    --- Neon BBS Line 2, 570-57-80, 20:30-06:30. [bbs.ncc.org.ua]
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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Friday, March 29, 2024 21:27:46

    x) Friday Mar 29, 2024, 09:38. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and
    Russians.
    Indeed, it was. Before Putin annexed Crimea then
    supported fighting in East Ukraine then officially
    invaded Ukraine. We had quite good relations with
    Russia till then.
    Do you still believe people of Crimea are/were loyal to
    Ukraine and they never wanted to separate from it, after
    the coup in 2014?
    People - yes. Russian colonial government - no.
    You are blinded by Zelensky propaganda. Refresh you memory as it was in Crimea 2014 in reality.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTb-6xgQGpY

    They had also "Crimea is Ukraine" protests, and a resistance movement still active.

    --- Neon BBS Line 2, 570-57-80, 20:30-06:30. [bbs.ncc.org.ua]
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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Friday, March 29, 2024 21:36:51

    x) Friday Mar 29, 2024, 09:31. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    if somebody suffers from senility. And every
    nation has right to fight with occupants, as they
    said me. When the occupant complains about nasty
    partisans it sounds funny.
    The ones who target civilians are not partisans but
    terrorists.
    Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians
    and thousands of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\
    I doubt Israel targeted civilians.
    A lot of journalists around the world have worked in Gaza. Many have
    been killed by Israeli bombs thinking naive that if they are among civilians or in hospitals they are safe. The accusation of Israel in genocide has not been born of a empty place.

    Well, I said about targeting, not collaterial damage.

    --- Neon BBS Line 2, 570-57-80, 20:30-06:30. [bbs.ncc.org.ua]
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Monday, April 01, 2024 08:41:52
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 29.03.2024 22:36

    ak>>>> Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple
    ak>>>> mass graves keep dead bodies well.
    AI>>> It looks similar to what is happening in Ukaraine. Civilian
    AI>>> buildings and infrastructure under attack by the invasion forces
    AI>>> contantly.
    ak>> Russian army has never bombed the civilian areas deliberately

    ASI> They doing it right now. Almost every day some civilians die in
    ASI> major cities due to Russian rockets/drones. And there are no
    ASI> military targets in these cities.

    ak>> paradigm for this war -- "liberation Russian people from Nazi".

    ASI> But the actual paradigm is "Restoration of the Russian empire",
    ASI> they even called the occuppied regions "New Russia".


    Even from your point of view Putin's army has no any reason to bomb
    potential "new Russians". This is the difference between bombing in Gaza
    and Ukraine. In Gaza we have something close to genocide.

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Monday, April 01, 2024 12:22:13
    ... In Gaza we have something close to genocide.

    In Russia there are vast tracts of unspoilt territory which the Russian government could open for settlement by the Palestinians. Russia could solve the problem...Siberia....

    Egypt could also solve the problem, it's an Arab area, warm, muslim ... Or Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the Emirates, others ... The real drama for the Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank is that no-one wants them ... Naahhh ... let the Israelis solve it ... Right?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, April 03, 2024 00:55:15

    x) Monday Apr 01, 2024, 08:41. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    They doing it right now. Almost every day some civilians die in
    major cities due to Russian rockets/drones. And there are no
    military targets in these cities.
    paradigm for this war -- "liberation Russian people from Nazi".
    But the actual paradigm is "Restoration of the Russian empire",
    they even called the occuppied regions "New Russia".
    Even from your point of view Putin's army has no any reason to bomb potential "new Russians". This is the difference between bombing in Gaza and Ukraine. In Gaza we have something close to genocide.

    In Gaza, they have combatants stationed in/under the city. In major Ukrainian cities we don't. And Russian reason to bomb is terror.

    --- Neon BBS Line 2, 570-57-80, 20:30-06:30. [bbs.ncc.org.ua]
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alex Shuman on Wednesday, April 03, 2024 01:24:21
    In Gaza, they have combatants stationed in/under the city. In major Ukrainian cities we don't. And Russian reason to bomb is terror.

    In Gaza there's a proxy-war with Iran going on. As long as Iran's role is not recognized there will be no solution. They finance Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houttis and eventually there will be an all-out war between Israel and Iran to prevent "From the river to the sea" happening.

    Besides, Iran is also involved in the Russian aggression against Ukraine. It's an even bigger threat than Russia worldwide and Israel is our last stand against Islamism taking over Europe.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, April 03, 2024 04:59:08

    x) Wednesday Apr 03, 2024, 01:24. Ward Dossche ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    Besides, Iran is also involved in the Russian aggression against Ukraine. It's an even bigger threat than Russia worldwide and Israel is our last stand against Islamism taking over Europe.

    Yes, Iran sells Shaheds to Russia, but I doubt it does so in support of Islamism, more like in support of a friendly dictatorship.

    --- Neon BBS Line 2, 570-57-80, 20:30-06:30. [bbs.ncc.org.ua]
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