Scientists have calculated that enough ice to cover the entire USA with a three meter thick layer has melted since 1974 -- and is accelerating.

It's about time that the people in NYC and Miami starts looking for a good pair of Wellingtons... 8-)



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Bj�rn Felten wrote to All <=-

Scientists have calculated that enough ice to cover the entire
USA with a three meter thick layer has melted since 1974 -- and
is accelerating.

How thick would that be if it covered all of Sweden?

It's about time that the people in NYC and Miami starts
looking for a good pair of Wellingtons... 8-)

I'm sure the cause of this (supposed) fact is all the fault of the USA
too, right?

How about a reference/citation to the source of this info?

(Taking bets that it comes from some leftist-propaganda rag).



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I'm sure the cause of this (supposed) fact is all the fault of the USA too, right?

Not all, but with a population of 4% and responsible for 20% of all pollution, you are unproportionally responsible, yes.

How about a reference/citation to the source of this info?

No problem:

https://tinyurl.com/y35ha5p3

(Taking bets that it comes from some leftist-propaganda rag).

It's the Swedish state television, and since Sweden is a socialist country (with free childcare, free healthcare, 5 weeks paid vacation, 18 months paid leave for either parent after child birth, affordable housing and all that crap, you know) so in your book it's probably leftist, although not propaganda -- that's against the law on Swedish television.




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Björn wrote (2021-01-30):

I'm sure the cause of this (supposed) fact is all the fault of the
USA too, right?

Not all, but with a population of 4% and responsible for 20% of all pollution, you are unproportionally responsible, yes.

If the other 96% would raise their pollution levels to the same amount, we would be at 5000%. Growth is good, right?

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Growth is good, right?

Absolutely. Endless growth is the Ponzi scheme that capitalism relies upon. Enormous wealth to everybody. Yeah!



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Hello Bj�rn,

On Saturday January 30 2021 10:19, you wrote to Oli:

Growth is good, right?

Absolutely. Endless growth is the Ponzi scheme that capitalism
relies upon. Enormous wealth to everybody. Yeah!

I have always wondered how people can beleive that a system that relies on continues growth can have a long term future...


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MvdV> I have always wondered how people can beleive that a system that relies
MvdV> on continues growth can have a long term future...

A lot of people have not been taught critical thinking at school. They believe everything they are being told. Inject bleach or stick a UV light up your ass to cure you from COVID-19, the election was rigged, USA is a democracy (blissfully unaware of Gerrymandering and Electoral College) and so on.



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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I'm sure the cause of this (supposed) fact is all the fault of the USA too, right?

Not all, but with a population of 4% and responsible for 20%
of all pollution, you are unproportionally responsible, yes.

So, if we were to shut down all of the manufacturing/industry that
contributes to this, how would the world react? Should we also shut
down the defense mechanisms that keep you safe over there?

How about a reference/citation to the source of this info?

No problem:
https://tinyurl.com/y35ha5p3

Heh, yeah that's very helpful. :-)

(Taking bets that it comes from some leftist-propaganda rag).

It's the Swedish state television, and since Sweden is a
socialist country (with free childcare, free healthcare, 5 weeks
paid vacation, 18 months paid leave for either parent after child
birth, affordable housing and all that crap, you know) so in your
book it's probably leftist, although not propaganda -- that's
against the law on Swedish television.

Yep, everything's "free". What a utopian society that must be. LOL


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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Oli <=-

Growth is good, right?

Absolutely. Endless growth is the Ponzi scheme that capitalism
relies upon. Enormous wealth to everybody. Yeah!

A typical lib/socialist misunderstanding. Capitalism doesn't promise
enormous wealth to everybody. What it does is provide the
*OPPORTUNITY* for you to try and achieve that, with a reasonable
chance of success.

Does that opportunity exist for you Euro-commies? If you *DID* start
to become too successful (in the eyes of the masters), they would step
in and take it away from you, for the "good of the state".

I guess your "free education" system doesn't teach you that, eh?



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Does that opportunity exist for you Euro-commies?

Well, IKEA founder Swedish Ingvar Kamprad (now dead) was the fifth richest man in the world. Does that answer your stupid, ignorant question?

Does your inferior educational system not teach you the difference between socialism and communism -- or do you still have the same old McCarthyism with the same commie scare?

Socialism = slavery, eh?


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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-

A lot of people have not been taught critical thinking at school.
They believe everything they are being told. Inject bleach or stick a
UV light up your ass to cure you from COVID-19, the election was
rigged, USA is a democracy (blissfully unaware of Gerrymandering and Electoral College) and so on.

Two experiences that I benefited from was 1) a critical thinking class in college that included a debate piece as well as dissecting various attempts
to manipulate the reader, the Skeptic's board (a BBS in the San Francisco
Bay Area) in the 1990s, and the old Fido SKEPTIC echo.

There's a lot to be said for questioning claims and asking for citations or backup - that shows the true basis of the claim. Too many debates online
fall into buckets similar to these.

1. The claimant has a solid reference backing up their claim.

2. The claimant cites an obscure web source that either validates a portion
of their claim, doesn't validate it at all (and they expect you not to read it!)

3. The claimant states that their claim is so prevalent that it doesn't require validation - or they claim that there are so many citations out
there that they leave the proof of their claim up to you.

or

4. (insert organization here) is in bed with mainstream media, and since you don't read the same web sites the claimant does, you're ill-informed.


It's gotten pretty predictable.





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Very well analysed, Kurt!

3. The claimant states that their claim is so prevalent that it doesn't require validation - or they claim that there are so many citations out there that they leave the proof of their claim up to you.

Hmmm... A certain, former POTUS I know of was a master of this, using it hundreds of times.



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4. (insert organization here) is in bed with mainstream media, and since you don't read the same web sites the claimant does, you're ill-informed.

... and of course this too. FAKE NEWS!!!



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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Does that opportunity exist for you Euro-commies?

Well, IKEA founder Swedish Ingvar Kamprad (now dead) was the
fifth richest man in the world. Does that answer your stupid,
ignorant question?

Blah, blah-blah-blah, blah. Why did he live in Switzerland for four
decades, after he got rich?

Does your inferior educational system not teach you the
difference between socialism and communism -- or do you still
have the same old McCarthyism with the same commie scare?

LOL. You should have stayed in school.

Socialism = slavery, eh?

Pretty much, yep. Ask somebody in Venezuela.

By the way, I won't continue to respond to your posts when you
selectively cherry-pick one sentence from a three paragraph post that
I made (like you did above). You do that to avoid having to respond
to the rest of what I said, and to remove any context that might make
the meaning of my one sentence quite different than what you want it
to appear as.

Another typical Lib tactic, very common, and very deceitful.


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By the way, I won't continue to respond to your posts

Excellent.



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Dan wrote (2021-01-30):

I won't continue to respond to your posts

brilliant idea

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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

By the way, I won't continue to respond to your posts

Excellent.

For context, since the feeb known as Bj?rn loves to snip relevant
context, the below is what he cherry-picked the line above from (in a
previous post of mine):

By the way, I won't continue to respond to your posts when you
selectively cherry-pick one sentence from a three paragraph post that
I made (like you did above). You do that to avoid having to respond
to the rest of what I said, and to remove any context that might make
the meaning of my one sentence quite different than what you want it
to appear as.

Another typical Lib tactic, very common, and very deceitful.



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Oli wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I won't continue to respond to your posts

brilliant idea

Another context-snipper. Maybe you're another of Bj?rn's
sock-puppets?

Hey Oli. FOAD.



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Dan wrote (2021-01-31):

I won't continue to respond to your posts

then don't

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loves to snip relevant context

That's right, with emphasis on *relevant*. Snipping out only the relevant part of a comment is called quote trimming, as opposed to excessive quoting -- some people even quotes the entire message.

Every fido editor developed after 17 December 1971 (when FTS-9 was introduced) should be able of comment linking for the benefit of those who can't even remember what they wrote only a few days ago.



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Hello Björn,

loves to snip relevant context

That's right, with emphasis on *relevant*. Snipping out only the relevant part of a comment is called quote trimming, as opposed to excessive quoting
-- some people even quotes the entire message.

A man acting as his own lawyer has a fool for a client.

Every fido editor developed after 17 December 1971 (when FTS-9 was introduced) should be able of comment linking for the benefit of those who can't even remember what they wrote only a few days ago.

That may be. But how relevant is that in this day and age?
We have a man here in the USA, a former president, who is about
to be put on trial for "high crimes and misdemeanors", which
if conviced may mean the end of his political career. And what
has he done? He fired all five of his lawyers, just before the
trial is to begin. So who did he hire? Himself! You think I am
making this up? I do admit to have somewhat of an overactive
imagination at times, but this is something else!

Trump to Defend Self After Receiving Law Degree from Trump University

PALM BEACH (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump will act as his own
defense attorney at his impeachment trial after receiving a law degree
from Trump University.

Trump bestowed the degree upon himself in his capacity as the dean of
the Trump University School of Law, where he graduated first in his
class.

In his first official statement as the lead attorney of his defense
team, Trump vowed not to quit the team “like those other losers.”

Davis Logsdon, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, called
Trump’s new status as his own attorney “problematic.”

“It’s true that he will now have a fool for a client, but that was
also true of his other attorneys,” Logsdon said. “One downside of
working for himself, however, is that he definitely will not get paid.”

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-to-defend-self -after-receiving-law-degree-from-trump-university


Let's see Dan C. top that!

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Davis Logsdon, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, called Trump’s new status as his own attorney “problematic.”

A search for Mr. Davis for the last seven days on the Washington Post website gave no hits.

Are you sure this is not Fake News?



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We have a man here in the USA, a former president, who is about
to be put on trial

His only defence seems to be that the trial is unconstitutional because he is no longer president. What kind of crazy talk is that? After all, he committed the crime when in office. The House voted to impeach him while he was still in office.

Imagine a chief accountant that is caught embezzling and is charged with the crime, and then he is fired. On his trial he claims the the trial is unconstitutional because he no longer works for the company in question.

What kind of crazy talk is that? He'd probably do better by claiming insanity. That'll probably work for Trump as well, there are many witnesses that can confirm that he was -- and still is -- insane.



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Re: Global warming
By: Bj�rn Felten to Dan Clough on Sun Jan 31 2021 05:11 pm

Every fido editor developed after 17 December 1971 (when FTS-9 was introduced) should be able of comment linking for the benefit of those who can't even remember what they wrote only a few days ago.

That date is a joke, right?
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Rob wrote (2021-01-31):

Re: Global warming
By: Björn Felten to Dan Clough on Sun Jan 31 2021 05:11 pm

Every fido editor developed after 17 December 1971 (when FTS-9 was
introduced) should be able of comment linking for the benefit of
those who can't even remember what they wrote only a few days ago.

That date is a joke, right?

I thought so too, but it also could be a typo. The correct date would be 17 December 1991. Still 29+ years.

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That date is a joke, right?

LOL! Rather a typo. Good catch!

MSGID / REPLY
A standard for unique message identifiers
and reply chain linkage

17 December, 1991





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That date is a joke, right?

LOL! Rather a typo. Good catch!

It was so obvious I didn't ever bother to respond.

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That date is a joke, right?

I thought so too, but it also could be a typo. The correct date would be
17 December 1991. Still 29+ years.

Substituting one typo for another?

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Hello Björn,

Davis Logsdon, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, called
Trump’s new status as his own attorney “problematic.”

A search for Mr. Davis for the last seven days on the Washington Post website gave no hits.

Are you sure this is not Fake News?

Humor. Not alternative facts. As noted in the cite.
Do pay attention. :)

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Hello Bj�rn,

That date is a joke, right?

LOL! Rather a typo. Good catch!

MSGID / REPLY
A standard for unique message identifiers
and reply chain linkage

17 December, 1991

Yeah. I get that. And it is funny. Stuff like that does happen.
But this particular date is also signifincant in other ways.

The date you cited - 17 December 1971

What happened on that day in history?
Radio Bangladesh begins transmitting.

So was it really a typo?
Or is it something that you don't want to tell us?

Did Fidonet really begin, at a secret location, in Bangladesh?
With Tom Jennings providing cover in San Francisco, USA?

The only thing of real importance I could find was Honky Dory,
the album released by David Bowie on that date, after his album
from 1970, The Man Who Sold the World.

A truly great artist, he is still missed by many on this planet,
and beyond.

Of course, others have chimed in, suggesting the correct
date should have been 17 December, 1991.

What happeed on that day in history?
Cleveland Cavaliers beat Miami Heat 148-80, by 68 points.
This was the NBA's most lopsided game in history.

Then I started thinking it was only the year you were confused
about. Not so much the date itself. So I took a looksee to find
out what is so special about that certain day of the year.

And lo and behold, lookee at what I found -

EVENTS

17 December 1790 - discovery of the Aztec calendar stone
17 December 1903 - first flight of the Wright flyer
17 December 1989 - first episode of The Simpsons aired

BIRTHDAYS

17 December 1978 - Manny Pacquiao
17 December 1936 - Pope Francis
17 December 1770 - Ludwig van Beethoven

DEATHS

17 December 2011 - Kim Jong II
17 December 2010 - Captain Beefheart
17 December 1933 - 13th Dalai Lama
17 December 1830 - Simon Bolivar
17 December 1273 - Rumi

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On 2/02/2021 20:28, 3640/1384 wrote:

 BF>>     Yeah, that sounds like fun. If I remember correctly from the Y2K
 BF>> celebrations you even have a point where three different time zones
 BF>> meet, so with just a few small steps you can time travel back and forth.
 BF>> Right?

Yes.  David has been there, and done that.  I haven't seen the t-shirt, yet.
:)

I used to have a photo on my web page of my ex sitting on the post at Cameron Corner where Qld, NSW and SA meet.

I had the photo captioned "An arse that covers three states". I was not in the good books for a while (cannot imagine why...)


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On 2/02/2021 21:12, 2203/2 wrote:

 BF>>>      Displays perfectly here as 07:27 (I too has local time UTC+1).

 DD>> My local time  is UTC+10

   So we can conclude that you posted your message at 16:27:40 local time, then.

Probably - that was several days ago, I don't keep a close track on what I was doing at what time any more.

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Hello Bj�rn,

We have a man here in the USA, a former president, who is about
to be put on trial

His only defence seems to be that the trial is unconstitutional because he is no longer president. What kind of crazy talk is that?

Crazy talk? You want to know what crazy talk is? You have been
accused of having written many anti-American things, of which I
will not repeat. You have written, in your own words, quite a
lot of things about Trump that may or may not be true. And to be
quite honest, more than a few people in this echo do honestly
believe you hate Americans by the nature of your comments.

So. I have decided to take a stand. For the first time, I am
going to reveal to you what real journalists and reporters are
saying about Donald J. Trump during his current impeachment
trial held by the Senate -

"Trump has the Republican Party on a personalized power like
we haven't seen. It's a caudillo, it's a Caesar, it's a F�hrer.
We don't see that in this country. We do now."
~ ABC News senior national correspondent Terry Moran, comparing
the power of Trump over the GOP to that of somebody like Hitler,
reporting live on television as the trial was being held

This is an American reporter. Not anybody from Sweden.
Just imagine the uproar had you written those words.

FoxNews has gone wild about this. Keeps repeating his words.
Over and over and over again. Showing his face, voicing those
words. On their own network. Talk about free advertising for
ABC News.

When lawyers have a fool for a client, they do the best they can.

After all, he committed the crime when in office.

Doesn't matter. He is no longer office. Hence the case is moot.

The House voted to impeach him while he was still in office.

Please keep in mind the lawyers have a fool for a client.
By his lights, he could have avoided getting impeached by
resigning from office in disgrace. Just like Nixon. And
then gotten his sidekick (Mike Pence) to grant him a pardon.
Not that he needed a pardon. But since he won the election -
by a landslide - there was never any reason for him to resign.

Imagine a chief accountant that is caught embezzling and is charged with the
crime, and then he is fired. On his trial he claims the the trial is unconstitutional because he no longer works for the company in question.

Only one problem with that scenario. After telling the rioters
to "fight like hell" and that he would be there with them when they
broke into the Capitol building, he chose to stay behind.

So who led the insurrection? Certainly not the fool who told them
to do it. Nobody caught him on camera wearing a Vikings helmet (with
horns), waving a Confederate flag, or throwing a fire extinguisher
at a cop's head ...

What kind of crazy talk is that?

The US Constitution says the Senate has "sole power" to try cases
of impeachment. Which is why the first thing the Senate did when the
trial got started was to have to vote to decide if the trial itself
was constitutional. The vote easily passed by a clear majority.

He'd probably do better by claiming insanity.

Insanity is a legal defense, but only a qualified psychiatrist could
have him sent to the loony-bin (St. Elizabeth's Mental Hospital is the
place where John Hinckley enjoyed his semi-retirement). Some folks
love it there, and never want to leave.

That'll probably work for Trump as well, there are many witnesses that can confirm that he was -- and still is -- insane.

But did he know right from wrong at the time the crime was committed?
That is the question. If he was, and it can be proven, then the Senate
would have grounds to find him "not guilty by reason of insanity".

However, this is a political trial. Not a criminal trial. And even
though there are some doctors in the Senate, none that I know of are
shrinks.

OTOH, Trump can do everybody a favor by admitting himself ...

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