• Charcter encoding nightmare 2

    From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to All on Saturday, March 09, 2024 12:27:54
    Hello All!

    this is the charcter encoding test with putty as I wrote in my previous message:

    all italian accented letters here:

    ì - i with accent
    è - e with accent
    é - e with open accent
    ò - o with accent
    à - a with accent
    ù - u with accent

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Fabio Bizzi on Saturday, March 09, 2024 16:56:01
    Hi Fabio,

    On 2024-03-09 12:27:54, you wrote to All:

    this is the charcter encoding test with putty as I wrote in my
    previous message:

    all italian accented letters here:

    ß - i with accent
    ß - e with accent
    ß - e with open accent
    Û - o with accent
    ß - a with accent
    Û - u with accent

    This is how it looks for me:

    https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/d80f1de33867

    But I don't have an utf-8 compatible setup...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Wilfred van Velzen on Saturday, March 09, 2024 17:14:17
    Hello Wilfred,

    On Saturday March 09 2024 16:56, you wrote to Fabio Bizzi:

    â–€ - i with accent
    â–€ - e with accent
    â–€ - e with open accent
    â–ˆ - o with accent
    â–€ - a with accent
    â–ˆ - u with accent

    This is how it looks for me:

    https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/d80f1de33867

    But I don't have an utf-8 compatible setup...

    Same here and I have a setup that can display those characters correctly,


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Fabio Bizzi on Saturday, March 09, 2024 18:29:47
    09 Mar 2024 12:27, you wrote to All:

    @CHRS: UTF-8 2

    all italian accented letters here:

    ì - i with accent
    è - e with accent
    é - e with open accent
    ò - o with accent
    à - a with accent
    ù - u with accent

    Your CHRS kludge says UTF-8 but the body text is LATIN-1.

    Carlos

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Saturday, March 09, 2024 19:37:10
    Hello Wilfred!

    Saturday March 09 2024 16:56, you wrote to me:

    This is how it looks for me:

    https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/d80f1de33867

    But I don't have an utf-8 compatible setup...

    Thank you Wilfred. :)

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Saturday, March 09, 2024 19:37:40
    Hello Michiel!

    Saturday March 09 2024 17:14, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    [...]
    Same here and I have a setup that can display those characters
    correctly,

    Can you help me with my setup Michiel?

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Carlos Navarro on Saturday, March 09, 2024 19:38:32
    Hello Carlos!

    Saturday March 09 2024 18:29, you wrote to me:

    09 Mar 2024 12:27, you wrote to All:

    @CHRS: UTF-8 2

    all italian accented letters here:

    ì - i with accent
    è - e with accent
    é - e with open accent
    ò - o with accent
    à - a with accent
    ù - u with accent

    Your CHRS kludge says UTF-8 but the body text is LATIN-1.

    How can I see that is LATIN-1?

    Many thanks. :)

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Nil Alexandrov@2:5015/46 to Carlos Navarro on Saturday, March 09, 2024 21:40:18
    Hello, Carlos!

    Saturday March 09 2024 18:29, from Carlos Navarro -> Fabio Bizzi:

    @CHRS: UTF-8 2
    all italian accented letters here:
    ì - i with accent
    è - e with accent
    é - e with open accent
    ? - o with accent
    à - a with accent
    ù - u with accent
    Your CHRS kludge says UTF-8 but the body text is LATIN-1.

    I am not sure which Latin flavor it was, one or two, or three haha or CP-something, but I can tell for sure that it was 8-byte encoding and not UTF-8.

    Best Regards, Nil
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Fabio Bizzi on Saturday, March 09, 2024 14:25:19
    Re: Charcter encoding nightmare 2
    By: Fabio Bizzi to All on Sat Mar 09 2024 12:27 pm

    Hello All!

    this is the charcter encoding test with putty as I wrote in my previous message:

    all italian accented letters here:

    ­ - i with accent
    ­ - e with accent
    ­ - e with open accent
    ­ - o with accent
    ­ - a with accent
    ­ - u with accent

    Here's how it appeared when viewed using SyncTERM v1.2b attached to a Synchronet v3.20 BBS:
    https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/9c2b9c8902de
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    A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good.
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Fabio Bizzi on Saturday, March 09, 2024 14:27:55
    Re: Charcter encoding nightmare 2
    By: Fabio Bizzi to All on Sat Mar 09 2024 12:27 pm

    Hello All!

    this is the charcter encoding test with putty as I wrote in my previous message:

    all italian accented letters here:

    ì - i with accent
    è - e with accent
    é - e with open accent
    ò - o with accent
    à - a with accent
    ù - u with accent

    And here it is view using OpenSSH Client: https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/9ccf52d05942

    My guess: the original message wasn't actually UTF-8 encoded (?)
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Rush quote #37:
    Ignorance and prejudice and fear go hand in hand
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Fabio Bizzi on Saturday, March 09, 2024 23:19:33
    Hello Fabio,

    On Saturday March 09 2024 19:37, you wrote to me:

    Same here and I have a setup that can display those characters
    correctly,

    Can you help me with my setup Michiel?

    I am afraid not. I see that your game is Linux. I know little or nothing about Linux. Windows is the game here.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Vitaliy Aksyonov@1:104/117 to Rob Swindell on Saturday, March 09, 2024 17:20:24
    Hello Rob.

    09 Mar 24 14:27, you wrote to Fabio Bizzi:

    Hello All!

    this is the charcter encoding test with putty as I wrote in my
    previous message:

    all italian accented letters here:

    ì - i with accent
    è - e with accent
    é - e with open accent
    ò - o with accent
    à - a with accent
    ù - u with accent

    And here it is view using OpenSSH Client: https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/9ccf52d05942

    My guess: the original message wasn't actually UTF-8 encoded (?)

    Your guess it correct. See my answer for your previous message.

    Vitaliy

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Fabio Bizzi on Sunday, March 10, 2024 08:45:06
    09 Mar 2024 19:38, you wrote to me:

    ì - i with accent
    è - e with accent
    é - e with open accent
    ò - o with accent
    à - a with accent
    ù - u with accent

    Your CHRS kludge says UTF-8 but the body text is LATIN-1.

    How can I see that is LATIN-1?

    I did by pressing Ctrl-J and selecting LATIN-1 to view it properly. (In my GoldED+ setup I have conversions to CP850 from CP437, LATIN-1 and Michiel's partial UTF-8.)

    You can check that it is LATIN-1 by viewing the hexdump (Alt-I) of your message. You will see that, for example, the first one (ì, lowercase i with grave accent) is hex EC. That's ISO-8859-1 (or CP1252) AKA Fidonet LATIN-1.

    Carlos

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Fabio Bizzi on Sunday, March 10, 2024 08:55:00
    09 Mar 2024 23:19, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to you:

    Can you help me with my setup Michiel?

    I am afraid not. I see that your game is Linux. I know little or
    nothing about Linux. Windows is the game here.

    Fabio,

    If your terminal is set to ISO-8859-1, you may be interested in checking what I posted here on 1.1.2023. I made the equivalent of Michiel's CP850<->UTF-8 chs files, but for LATIN-1<->UTF-8.

    Carlos

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Carlos Navarro on Sunday, March 10, 2024 10:04:30
    Hello Carlos!

    Sunday March 10 2024 08:45, you wrote to me:

    Your CHRS kludge says UTF-8 but the body text is LATIN-1.

    How can I see that is LATIN-1?

    I did by pressing Ctrl-J and selecting LATIN-1 to view it properly.
    (In my GoldED+ setup I have conversions to CP850 from CP437, LATIN-1
    and Michiel's partial UTF-8.)

    Got it!
    Many thanks! :)

    You can check that it is LATIN-1 by viewing the hexdump (Alt-I) of
    your message. You will see that, for example, the first one (ì,
    lowercase i with grave accent) is hex EC. That's ISO-8859-1 (or
    CP1252) AKA Fidonet LATIN-1.

    Ok, I'll google for characters encoding tables. :)

    GRAZIE CARLOS! :)

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Carlos Navarro on Sunday, March 10, 2024 10:06:00
    Hello Carlos!

    Sunday March 10 2024 08:55, you wrote to me:

    Fabio,

    If your terminal is set to ISO-8859-1, you may be interested in
    checking what I posted here on 1.1.2023. I made the equivalent of Michiel's CP850<->UTF-8 chs files, but for LATIN-1<->UTF-8.

    Ok, now my setup is with your translation tables.

    Did you see my accented letters?

    àèéìòù

    Many thanks! :)

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Fabio Bizzi on Sunday, March 10, 2024 11:00:16
    10 Mar 2024 10:06, you wrote to me:

    If your terminal is set to ISO-8859-1, you may be interested in
    checking what I posted here on 1.1.2023. I made the equivalent of
    Michiel's CP850<->UTF-8 chs files, but for LATIN-1<->UTF-8.

    Ok, now my setup is with your translation tables.

    Did you see my accented letters?

    àèéìòù

    Yes, looks fine. You should also see them ok when quoted.

    Many thanks! :)

    You're welcome.

    Carlos

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Fabio Bizzi on Sunday, March 10, 2024 11:58:26
    Hello Fabio,

    On Sunday March 10 2024 10:06, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:

    Ok, now my setup is with your translation tables.

    Did you see my accented letters?

    àèéìòù

    I see them. :-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Nil Alexandrov@2:5015/46 to Carlos Navarro on Sunday, March 10, 2024 22:05:10
    Hello, Carlos!

    Sunday March 10 2024 08:45, from Carlos Navarro -> Fabio Bizzi:

    I did by pressing Ctrl-J and selecting LATIN-1 to view it properly.

    I wonder what ctrl-j would show once Vitaliy adds the iconv instead of charset maps. Probably, iconv --list? ;-))

    Best Regards, Nil
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  • From Vitaliy Aksyonov@1:104/117 to Fabio Bizzi on Tuesday, March 12, 2024 19:26:42
    Hello Fabio.

    09 Mar 24 19:38, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:

    ì - i with accent
    è - e with accent
    é - e with open accent
    ò - o with accent
    à - a with accent
    ù - u with accent

    It could be broken in my response, because I've converted it to KOI8-R. :)

    Your CHRS kludge says UTF-8 but the body text is LATIN-1.

    To make it correct - you need to have XLatExport set correctly.

    How can I see that is LATIN-1?

    Do two things:
    1) check what CHRS kludge is set for that message (press K in message reader). 2) Press I and it will show you hexdump of the message. Then you may check if actual bytes are correct.

    Vitaliy

    ... 640K ought to be enough for anybody
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