• Great reset

    From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to All on Saturday, October 23, 2021 08:40:53
    In case you missed it last week press secretary Jen Psaki said "The President wants to make fundamental change in our economy, and he feels coming out of the pandemic is exactly the time to do that". Part of the president Joe Bidens "Build it back better" program. Wait, where have I heard that before...Yes the world economic forum https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/
    As Glenn Beck has stated "This is the most dangerous movement in the world right now. It is a direct shot, by a railgun, at liberty.
    Now I know a couple of you will jump in here and say "This is conspiracy theories". This is how they want to shut you down. But if you do your own research and look up what the UN through the Davos group want's to put in place it will scare the hell out of you. BTW here is a link to Glenn Becks article in it.
    https://www.theblaze.com/shows/the-glenn-beck-program/glenn-beck-new-biden-fina nce-plan?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF SQUIRES on Saturday, October 23, 2021 11:15:00
    Now I know a couple of you will jump in here and say "This is conspiracy theori
    s". This is how they want to shut you down. But if you do your own research and
    look up what the UN through the Davos group want's to put in place it will scar
    the hell out of you. BTW here is a link to Glenn Becks article in it.

    No, it won't scare the hell out of those same "couple of you" because, to
    them, the great reset would be a good thing. So, they will paint you as a conspiracy theorist to discredit anything said against it.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Saturday, October 23, 2021 12:35:15
    On 23 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    In case you missed it last week press secretary Jen Psaki said "The President wants to make fundamental change in our economy, and he feels coming out of the pandemic is exactly the time to do that". Part of the president Joe Bidens "Build it back better" program. Wait, where have I heard that before...Yes the world economic forum https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/ As Glenn Beck has stated "This is
    the most dangerous movement in the world right now. It is a direct shot, by a railgun, at liberty. Now I know a couple of you will jump in here
    and say "This is conspiracy theories". This is how they want to shut you down. But if you do your own research and look up what the UN through
    the Davos group want's to put in place it will scare the hell out of
    you. BTW here is a link to Glenn Becks article in it. https://www.theblaze.com/shows/the-glenn-beck-program/glenn-beck-new-biden nce-plan?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

    Glenn Beck is a known liar and sensationalist.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, October 24, 2021 07:18:47
    Glenn Beck is a known liar and sensationalist.

    See everyone, he can't refute what I have brought before you with facts, so he tries the oldest lefty trick smear someone to dis-credit them. Notice he does not mention anything about Davos, Biden, Great reset, just attacks Glenn Beck. The best part is they never say what (in this case Glenn Beck) has lied about. Seems the Jeff is the liar and sensationalist...

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Sunday, October 24, 2021 08:59:05
    On 24 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    Glenn Beck is a known liar and sensationalist.
    See everyone, he can't refute what I have brought before you with facts, so he tries the oldest lefty trick smear someone to dis-credit them.

    I did not smear you; I discredited your source as uncredible. There's a difference.

    Notice he does not mention anything about Davos, Biden, Great reset,
    just attacks Glenn Beck. The best part is they never say what (in this

    Glenn Beck lies.

    case Glenn Beck) has lied about. Seems the Jeff is the liar and sensationalist...

    Glenn Beck has lied about a number of things. For most people, it just goes without saying that he's an unreliable source but if you need a list, here
    you go:
    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Jeff Squires on Sunday, October 24, 2021 10:25:00
    Jeff Squires wrote to All <=-

    In case you missed it last week press secretary Jen Psaki said "The President wants to make fundamental change in our economy, and he feels coming out of the pandemic is exactly the time to do that". Part of the president Joe Bidens "Build it back better" program. Wait, where have I heard that before...Yes the world economic forum https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/ As Glenn Beck has stated "This is
    the most dangerous movement in the world right now. It is a direct
    shot, by a railgun, at liberty. Now I know a couple of you will jump in here and say "This is conspiracy theories". This is how they want to
    shut you down.

    There's an old saying: Just because you aren't paranoid doesn't mean that everyone's not out to get you.

    "Conspiracy theories" sometimes turn out to be true.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, October 24, 2021 10:27:00
    Jeff Thiele wrote to Jeff Squires <=-

    Glenn Beck is a known liar and sensationalist.

    Standard Leftie ad hominem attack.

    They can't argue against him and his logic so Lefties just resort to name calling.

    This is why no one cares about what Lefties say.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron Lauzon on Sunday, October 24, 2021 10:51:37
    On 24 Oct 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    Glenn Beck is a known liar and sensationalist.
    Standard Leftie ad hominem attack.
    They can't argue against him and his logic so Lefties just resort to name calling.

    No, he's a known liar. It's not name-calling; it's who he is.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, October 24, 2021 17:40:26
    On 24 Oct 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 24 Oct 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    Glenn Beck is a known liar and sensationalist.
    Standard Leftie ad hominem attack.
    They can't argue against him and his logic so Lefties just resort to calling.

    No, he's a known liar. It's not name-calling; it's who he is.

    Is he lying here?
    How to Counter BLM's Race LIES | Bob Woodson | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 106 https://tinyurl.com/4cpfdpyt

    or here
    https://tinyurl.com/47uerx69

    by the way here is what the Great Reset actually means https://tinyurl.com/4x5be75n

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, October 24, 2021 17:44:53
    On 24 Oct 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Is he lying here?
    How to Counter BLM's Race LIES | Bob Woodson | The Glenn Beck Podcast |
    Ep 106 https://tinyurl.com/4cpfdpyt

    Undoubtedly, yes. It's who he is. BLM has legitimate grievances and any
    attempt to "counter"" them is based on lies. I didn't even need to listen to
    it to tell you that.

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, October 25, 2021 08:01:00
    Jeff Thiele wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Standard Leftie ad hominem attack.
    They can't argue against him and his logic so Lefties just resort to name calling.

    No, he's a known liar. It's not name-calling; it's who he is.

    You need to look up what "ad hominem" means.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron Lauzon on Monday, October 25, 2021 08:28:51
    On 25 Oct 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    Standard Leftie ad hominem attack.
    They can't argue against him and his logic so Lefties just resort to calling.
    No, he's a known liar. It's not name-calling; it's who he is.
    You need to look up what "ad hominem" means.

    It means "to the person." And again, I wasn't attacking the messenger. I was pointing out that the messenger's source of information is neither reliable
    nor credible. That is not an ad hominem attack.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, October 25, 2021 16:09:27
    Hello Jeff,

    Glenn Beck is a known liar and sensationalist.
    See everyone, he can't refute what I have brought before you with
    facts,
    so he tries the oldest lefty trick smear someone to dis-credit them.

    I did not smear you; I discredited your source as uncredible. There's a difference.

    Some sources are incredible in what they claim. I will give them
    credit for that.

    Notice he does not mention anything about Davos, Biden, Great reset,
    just attacks Glenn Beck. The best part is they never say what (in this

    Glenn Beck lies.

    Everybody lies. Shrinks say at least four times a day.
    But politicians never lie. They are just expedient with
    the truth. Remember that, and you should be okay.

    case Glenn Beck) has lied about. Seems the Jeff is the liar and
    sensationalist...

    Glenn Beck has lied about a number of things.

    Glenn Beck is not a politician.

    For most people, it just goes
    without saying that he's an unreliable source but if you need a list, here you go:
    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/

    That may be, but why should politicians be the only reliable sources
    we can depend on?

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, October 25, 2021 18:07:41
    so he tries the oldest lefty trick smear someone to dis-credit them.

    I did not smear you; I discredited your source as uncredible. There's a difference.

    I didn't say smeared me, you are trying to smear Glenn Beck to discredit him.

    Glenn Beck lies.

    Again you provide no proof just a blanket smear. Just if I were to say you were a racist with out showing proof.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, October 25, 2021 18:05:11
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Monday, October 25, 2021 19:09:51
    On 25 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    so he tries the oldest lefty trick smear someone to dis-credit t
    I did not smear you; I discredited your source as uncredible. There's difference.
    I didn't say smeared me, you are trying to smear Glenn Beck to discredit him.

    Glenn Beck doesn't need my help with that. I was just pointing out facts.

    Glenn Beck lies.
    Again you provide no proof just a blanket smear. Just if I were to say
    you were a racist with out showing proof.

    I did provide proof of past instances in which Glenn Beck lied.

    My personal favorite, though, is how he was hospitalized for a hemorrhoid or something while working for CNN and sent out dispatches crying and saying how horrible the US healthcare system was...

    And then he worked for Fox News during the ramp-up to Obamacare and couldn't stop saying how the US has the greatest healthcare system in the world.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, October 26, 2021 16:40:19
    Glenn Beck lies.
    Again you provide no proof just a blanket smear. Just if I were to sa you were a racist with out showing proof.
    I did provide proof of past instances in which Glenn Beck lied.

    My personal favorite, though, is how he was hospitalized for a
    hemorrhoid or something while working for CNN and sent out dispatches crying and saying how horrible the US healthcare system was...

    And then he worked for Fox News during the ramp-up to Obamacare and couldn't stop saying how the US has the greatest healthcare system in
    the world.

    That is not proof that is a story you are posting... Dates, actual credible material is what is needed...

    Oh by the way Joe Biden lies so everything he says can be discredited too? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/22/biden-said-hes-been-southern -border-before-it-was-drive-by/

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Tuesday, October 26, 2021 15:59:13
    On 26 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    Glenn Beck lies.
    Again you provide no proof just a blanket smear. Just if I were you were a racist with out showing proof.
    I did provide proof of past instances in which Glenn Beck lied.
    My personal favorite, though, is how he was hospitalized for a hemorrhoid or something while working for CNN and sent out dispatches crying and saying how horrible the US healthcare system was...
    And then he worked for Fox News during the ramp-up to Obamacare and couldn't stop saying how the US has the greatest healthcare system in the world.
    That is not proof that is a story you are posting... Dates, actual credible material is what is needed...

    I think if you search, you can find those.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Tuesday, October 26, 2021 16:09:19
    On 26 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    That is not proof that is a story you are posting... Dates, actual credible material is what is needed...

    As far as Glenn Beck's actual claim, Biden's finance report is not the same
    as the "great reset." Although Beck claims that Psaki's announcement is the *exact* language, "almost" a quote, of the language used by the World
    Economic Forum, the words they have in common seems to be some variation of "fundamental" and "change." The concepts behind this "fundamental change" are not even similar in the two cases.

    However, being that conservatives are by definition opposed to changes to the status quo, especially financially or economically, I would imagine that "fundamental change" is quite a scary term.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, October 28, 2021 16:19:51
    That is not proof that is a story you are posting... Dates, actual credible material is what is needed...

    I think if you search, you can find those.

    No you are the one making a claim, you are the one that needs to show proof.

    Other wise I can claim you are a racist since you use a tagline about a racist.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, October 28, 2021 16:21:42
    As far as Glenn Beck's actual claim, Biden's finance report is not the same as the "great reset." Although Beck claims that Psaki's
    announcement is the *exact* language, "almost" a quote, of the language used by the World Economic Forum, the words they have in common seems to be some variation of "fundamental" and "change." The concepts behind
    this "fundamental change" are not even similar in the two cases.

    However, being that conservatives are by definition opposed to changes
    to the status quo, especially financially or economically, I would
    imagine that "fundamental change" is quite a scary term.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Thursday, October 28, 2021 16:38:18
    On 28 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    That is not proof that is a story you are posting... Dates, actu credible material is what is needed...
    I think if you search, you can find those.
    No you are the one making a claim, you are the one that needs to show proof.

    I believe I did.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Thursday, October 28, 2021 16:41:24
    On 28 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    As far as Glenn Beck's actual claim, Biden's finance report is not th same as the "great reset." Although Beck claims that Psaki's announcement is the *exact* language, "almost" a quote, of the langua used by the World Economic Forum, the words they have in common seems be some variation of "fundamental" and "change." The concepts behind this "fundamental change" are not even similar in the two cases. However, being that conservatives are by definition opposed to change to the status quo, especially financially or economically, I would imagine that "fundamental change" is quite a scary term.
    Sorry, you fail.... Try again next time.

    "Conservative" literally means "averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values; favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas."

    It seems it is you who has failed.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Thursday, October 28, 2021 17:48:26
    On 28 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
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    Do you often find yourself shooting off before you mean to?

    Don't worry; help is available: https://start.getroman.com/premature-ejaculation-2

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, October 31, 2021 09:15:36
    No you are the one making a claim, you are the one that needs to show proof.

    I believe I did.

    NO, you didn't... You are a RACIST.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, October 31, 2021 09:20:37
    imagine that "fundamental change" is quite a scary term.
    Sorry, you fail.... Try again next time.

    "Conservative" literally means "averse to change or innovation and
    holding traditional values; favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas."

    No conservatives are not averse to change or innovation they just don't want change or innovation that "fundamentally changes the country". Change is neither good or bad, it depends on what the change is to.

    It seems it is you who has failed.

    Nope you are the failure.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, October 31, 2021 09:42:28
    Do you often find yourself shooting off before you mean to?

    My, my, my... I see I have have won as you just have to use cheap insults...

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Sunday, October 31, 2021 09:59:02
    On 31 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    No you are the one making a claim, you are the one that needs to proof.
    I believe I did.
    NO, you didn't... You are a RACIST.

    Actually, I did. I'm not sure how countering Glenn Beck's propaganda makes me
    a racist. You seem very confused.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Sunday, October 31, 2021 10:04:28
    On 31 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    imagine that "fundamental change" is quite a scary term.
    Sorry, you fail.... Try again next time.
    "Conservative" literally means "averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values; favoring free enterprise, private ownersh and socially traditional ideas."
    No conservatives are not averse to change or innovation they just don't want change or innovation that "fundamentally changes the country".
    Change is neither good or bad, it depends on what the change is to.

    In particular, political conservatives are averse to changes in tradition and the social hierarchy. The things that you think fundamentally change the country are the things you're afraid of, whether they actually fundamentally change the country or not.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF SQUIRES on Sunday, October 31, 2021 11:03:00
    "Conservative" literally means "averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values; favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas."

    No conservatives are not averse to change or innovation they just don't want c
    nge or innovation that "fundamentally changes the country". Change is neither od or bad, it depends on what the change is to.

    Saying they are averse to "change or innovation" is too vague. They are
    averse to most of the changes that a progressive or leftist would want
    because most conservatives don't want to live in a society with heavy government controls or a socialist one with government ownership over everything.

    As those governments tend to be controling over things beyond property and
    the economy, it is difficult to understand why anyone wants such change.

    OTOH, I can understand the desire for cleaner energy. Once it is proven
    that it can be a viable replacement that can both meet the demands of
    consumers and be affordable, I would be all for it. As it is right now, "green" power cannot meet the demand, and "green" consumer goods (like
    cars) are either of inferior quality or are prohibitively expensive for
    most people.

    I bring that up because it is something that could be good, in time, but
    that most progressives/leftists seem to want to force in before that time comes. "It is the best because we outlawed all alternatives!" is not going
    to make most smart people very confident.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Sunday, October 31, 2021 10:14:08
    On 31 Oct 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    Do you often find yourself shooting off before you mean to?
    My, my, my... I see I have have won as you just have to use cheap insults...

    Nah, but if you were called back to keep me in check, I have certain obligations.

    How many conservatives does it take to keep one liberal "in check?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, October 31, 2021 11:29:37
    On 31 Oct 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    "Conservative" literally means "averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values; favoring free enterprise, private owner and socially traditional ideas."
    No conservatives are not averse to change or innovation they just don't c
    nge or innovation that "fundamentally changes the country". Change is ne od or bad, it depends on what the change is to.
    Saying they are averse to "change or innovation" is too vague. They are averse to most of the changes that a progressive or leftist would want because most conservatives don't want to live in a society with heavy government controls or a socialist one with government ownership over everything.

    Let's have a look at some traditionally conservative stances, shall we?

    In the American colonies, revolution was a liberal idea. The conservatives, those opposing change to existing traditions and social structures, favored remaining loyal to the king.

    In the lead-up to the Civil War, the conservative position was again the preservation of existing traditions and social structures, specifically allowing slave states to remain slave states. When a neo-Conservative says
    that the Civil War was not about slavery but about the Southern way of life, this is exactly what they're alluding to. Of course, the slave states felt
    that such a "fundamental change" was an attempt to control them, which in a sense it was, but that's entirely ignoring the fact that they were in favor
    of actually owning people and denying those people basic rights.

    The conservative stance on non-landowners voting was once again to uphold the existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative stance on blacks voting was once again to uphold the
    existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on women voting was once again to uphold the
    existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on civil rights was once again to uphold the
    existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on equal pay for women was and continues to be to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involves controlling people.

    The conservative position on miscegenation was to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on segregation was to uphold existing traditions
    and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on gay rights was to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on same-sex marriage was to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on disproportionate police brutality toward blacks
    is to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This indirectly
    involves controlling people.

    The conservative position on voting rights is to uphold existing traditions
    and social hierarchy at any cost. This indirectly involves controlling people.

    The conservative position on immigration is to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involves controlling people.

    Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, November 01, 2021 18:58:00
    In the American colonies, revolution was a liberal idea. The conservatives, those opposing change to existing traditions and social structures, favored remaining loyal to the king.

    In the lead-up to the Civil War, the conservative position was again the preservation of existing traditions and social structures, specifically allowing slave states to remain slave states. When a neo-Conservative says that the Civil War was not about slavery but about the Southern way of life, this is exactly what they're alluding to. Of course, the slave states felt that such a "fundamental change" was an attempt to control them, which in a sense it was, but that's entirely ignoring the fact that they were in favor of actually owning people and denying those people basic rights.

    The conservative stance on non-landowners voting was once again to uphold the existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative stance on blacks voting was once again to uphold the existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on women voting was once again to uphold the existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on civil rights was once again to uphold the existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on equal pay for women was and continues to be to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involves controlling people.

    The conservative position on miscegenation was to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on segregation was to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on gay rights was to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on same-sex marriage was to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involved controlling people.

    The conservative position on disproportionate police brutality toward blacks is to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This indirectly involves controlling people.

    The conservative position on voting rights is to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy at any cost. This indirectly involves controlling people.

    The conservative position on immigration is to uphold existing traditions and social hierarchy. This directly involves controlling people.

    Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?

    But that is all history, Jeff. Whenever someone brings up history that you don't like, you discount it as such. For example, I could point out above
    that several of these historic "conservative" stances were also "democrat party" stances, but I know that, for democrats, turnabout goes against
    their narrative and isn't seen as playing fair.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, November 01, 2021 19:11:09
    On 01 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?
    But that is all history, Jeff. Whenever someone brings up history that you don't like, you discount it as such. For example, I could point out above that several of these historic "conservative" stances were also "democrat party" stances, but I know that, for democrats, turnabout goes against their narrative and isn't seen as playing fair.

    You would be technically correct in pointing that out. However, the
    frustrating thing is that it is often used in a misleading way. The political views of Democrats and Republicans have changed over time, but the political views of conservatives and liberals have not.

    It is also true that all of the examples I listed were historical. However, resistance to change in existing traditions and social hierarchy is a
    defining trait of conservatism. It's not just that conservatives just so
    happen to oppose those types of changes; such opposition is part of what *makes* them conservative.

    The Democrats of yesteryear had little to do ideologically with the Democrats of today; the same is true of Republicans. However, conservatism and
    liberalism are the underlying ideologies themselves. I'm surprised you
    couldn't see that on your own.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, November 01, 2021 22:52:27
    On 01 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    In the American colonies, revolution was a liberal idea. The conservativ In the lead-up to the Civil War, the conservative position was again the The conservative stance on non-landowners voting was once again to uphol The conservative stance on blacks voting was once again to uphold the The conservative position on women voting was once again to uphold the The conservative position on civil rights was once again to uphold the The conservative position on equal pay for women was and continues to be The conservative position on miscegenation was to uphold existing tradit The conservative position on segregation was to uphold existing traditio The conservative position on gay rights was to uphold existing tradition The conservative position on same-sex marriage was to uphold existing The conservative position on disproportionate police brutality toward bl The conservative position on voting rights is to uphold existing traditi The conservative position on immigration is to uphold existing tradition Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?
    But that is all history, Jeff. Whenever someone brings up history that you don't like, you discount it as such. For example, I could point out above that several of these historic "conservative" stances were also "democrat party" stances, but I know that, for democrats, turnabout goes against their narrative and isn't seen as playing fair.

    Yes, those are historical examples. My apologies; I have not entirely
    completed my time machine yet.

    Several of the examples I listed concerned modern-day political issues. These can be easily and readily identified by the fact that I used the present
    tense when discussing them.

    A few other contemporary examples are the COVID pandemic, trans rights, and climate change.

    The COVID pandemic, or more specifically the medical community's proposed response to it, represented a significant change to existing American traditions as well as the existing social hierarchy. The initial conservative response was to deny that anything happened, and then to down play the
    severity and threat level of the pandemic. Resistance to common-sense
    measures aimed at controlling the pandemic continue to this day.

    Allowing trans people to use the bathroom of their choice and participate in sports in line with their own gender identity is another example of conservatives attempting to uphold existing traditions and preserve the
    social hierarchy.

    Climate change, or more specifically our political and economic response to
    it, is another modern example. Conservatives initially denied that it
    existed, the begrudgingly accepted that it exists but adamantly denied that humans had anything whatsoever to do with it, and then admitted that humans
    had something to do with it but feigned ignorance at exactly how much. The
    oil, gas, and coal industries are the most directly affected by efforts to combat climate change, but general resistance to accepting windmills and
    other forms of renewable energy (except hydro-electric which has been around for some time) is related to the the need to uphold existing traditions and preserve the socioeconomic status quo.

    The idea that "the left," and specifically Biden, want to bring in immigrants to edge white conservatives out of power and the fear that immigrants will change the cultural identity of the US is another modern example of the conservative desire to uphold existing traditions and preserve the socioeconomic status quo.

    The controversy of the removal of statues commemorating Confederate leaders
    is yet another example. Their removal represents to conservatives the removal of existing traditions and the erosion of the traditional social hierarchy.

    You may very well be ashamed of the actions and beliefs of the conservatives who came before you, as well you should be, but rest assured that the same forces are at work today. Just as history has not looked kindly upon the conservatives of the past, so it eill not look kindly on the conservatives of today. The thing to remember is that the conservatives of the past believed with every fiber of their being that they were right.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, November 02, 2021 08:41:35
    On 01 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    In the American colonies, revolution was a liberal idea. The conservativ In the lead-up to the Civil War, the conservative position was again the The conservative stance on non-landowners voting was once again to uphol The conservative stance on blacks voting was once again to uphold the The conservative position on women voting was once again to uphold the The conservative position on civil rights was once again to uphold the The conservative position on equal pay for women was and continues to be The conservative position on miscegenation was to uphold existing tradit The conservative position on segregation was to uphold existing traditio The conservative position on gay rights was to uphold existing tradition The conservative position on same-sex marriage was to uphold existing The conservative position on disproportionate police brutality toward bl The conservative position on voting rights is to uphold existing traditi The conservative position on immigration is to uphold existing tradition Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?
    But that is all history, Jeff. Whenever someone brings up history that you don't like, you discount it as such. For example, I could point out above that several of these historic "conservative" stances were also "democrat party" stances, but I know that, for democrats, turnabout goes against their narrative and isn't seen as playing fair.

    Additionally, both Critical Race Theory and kneeling during the anthem to protest disproportionate police brutality toward blacks are seen by conservatives as threats to existing traditions and social hierarchy.

    The list goes on.

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, November 02, 2021 08:11:00
    Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

    But that is all history, Jeff. Whenever someone brings up history that you don't like, you discount it as such. For example, I could point
    out above that several of these historic "conservative" stances were
    also "democrat party" stances, but I know that, for democrats,
    turnabout goes against their narrative and isn't seen as playing fair.

    Lefties always are "Rules for thee, but not for me." But that just plays into their need to be "elite".


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, November 02, 2021 11:12:53
    On 02 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    Lefties always are "Rules for thee, but not for me." But that just
    plays into their need to be "elite".

    <Squawk!>Lefties always this!<Squawk!>Lefties always that!<Squawk!>Elites!<Squawk!>

    Get a new script, man.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, November 02, 2021 16:50:00
    The COVID pandemic, or more specifically the medical community's proposed response to it, represented a significant change to existing American traditions as well as the existing social hierarchy. The initial conservative response was to deny that anything happened, and then to down play the severity and threat level of the pandemic. Resistance to common-sense measures aimed at controlling the pandemic continue to this day.

    So, wait, De Blassio, Cuomo, and Pelosi are conservatives, too? They must
    be because their original response was to deny that anything serious was happening, to deny that we couldn't continue with business as usual, and
    to deny that there was any reason to restrict travel.

    Allowing trans people to use the bathroom of their choice and participate in sports in line with their own gender identity is another example of conservatives attempting to uphold existing traditions and preserve the social hierarchy.

    There are several born-female athletes who are against having born-males competing in female sports where they would have a natural advantage. Statistically speaking they cannot all be conservative.

    Several other people don't care that they are not "binary," but draw the
    line at restrooms because they don't want male-equiped persons in the
    restroom with young girls. Since not all trans-genders are gay, i.e. they
    id as male-equipped women who are attracted to women, I can understand
    their frustration. I know several Democrats and folks more liberal than I who draw this line so, again, not just conservatives.

    Climate change, or more specifically our political and economic response to it, is another modern example. Conservatives initially denied that it existed, the begrudgingly accepted that it exists but adamantly denied that humans had anything whatsoever to do with it, and then admitted that humans had something to do with it but feigned ignorance at exactly how much. The oil, gas, and coal industries are the most directly affected by efforts to combat climate change, but general resistance to accepting windmills and other forms of renewable energy (except hydro-electric which has been around for some time) is related to the the need to uphold existing traditions and preserve the socioeconomic status quo.

    Again, most conservatives I know are not against green energy so long as it
    can sustain the power grid. Right now, it cannot without fossil fuel
    sources. Those folks who want to point to some small green utopia city that
    is supposed to be able to support tens of thousands but currently cannot meet their power demands with only a few thousand people without falling back on
    the fossil-fuel power grid are grasping at straws.

    You may very well be ashamed of the actions and beliefs of the conservatives who came before you, as well you should be, but rest assured that the same forces are at work today. Just as history has not looked kindly upon the conservatives of the past, so it eill not look kindly on the conservatives of today. The thing to remember is that the conservatives of the past believed with every fiber of their being that they were right.

    Here we go... I only had to read one message to be right. "Feel bad about America's history, you should..." says Leftie Jeff.

    Another thing to remember... leftists like you believe with every fiber of their being that they are right, even when they are full of it.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, November 02, 2021 17:03:00
    Additionally, both Critical Race Theory and kneeling during the anthem to protest disproportionate police brutality toward blacks are seen by conservatives as threats to existing traditions and social hierarchy.

    No, it is seen as being false (depending on who teaches it) and being disrespectful.

    If that latter group wants to put their money where their mouths are and
    try to help out their local communities to stop the violence, that is
    great. Several do. Others don't really care enough to. Maybe that group
    of kneeling non-doers does feel the way you do, I would not know or care.

    I would also say that if they don't want to be the targets of the police,
    don't do stupid things. In this area, for example, if I see someone
    smoking dope in public (which is illegal, and a good way to draw that
    unwanted police attention), they fall into one of two categories:

    - teenager of any race or sex
    - a non-female, non-hispanic, non-white adult

    The vast majority fall into that latter category. Since I know for a fact
    that there are white and hispanic adults of both sexes, and non-white, non-hispanic female adults that still smoke dope, the difference is the "in public" part. The only assumption I can make is that, for whatever reason, that second, adult group either didn't learn as a teen, or was not taught
    that if you want to keep smoking dope you need to do it out of the public
    eye.

    Based on those observations, I am not at all shocked to hear which group it
    is that has a disproportionate number of drug arrests, encounters with law enforcement, etc. I am also smart enough to realize that what I have observed can probably be applied to other illegal things besides smoking pot.

    OTOH, I have never seen a non-white adult that made me immediately think
    "meth head." I have seen plenty of white, usually males, that do.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON LAUZON on Tuesday, November 02, 2021 17:05:00
    But that is all history, Jeff. Whenever someone brings up history that you don't like, you discount it as such. For example, I could point
    out above that several of these historic "conservative" stances were also "democrat party" stances, but I know that, for democrats,
    turnabout goes against their narrative and isn't seen as playing fair.

    Lefties always are "Rules for thee, but not for me." But that just plays into >their need to be "elite".

    Indeed. Now, why aren't you busy feeling guity about American's history?
    You well should be! You should feel so bad that you want to go out and set fire to someone's business, or some public property, or some other destructive behavior that inches us closer to a more controlling government, or anarchy.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, November 02, 2021 19:37:12
    On 02 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    The COVID pandemic, or more specifically the medical community's propose response to it, represented a significant change to existing American traditions as well as the existing social hierarchy. The initial conserv response was to deny that anything happened, and then to down play the severity and threat level of the pandemic. Resistance to common-sense measures aimed at controlling the pandemic continue to this day.
    So, wait, De Blassio, Cuomo, and Pelosi are conservatives, too? They
    must be because their original response was to deny that anything
    serious was happening, to deny that we couldn't continue with business
    as usual, and to deny that there was any reason to restrict travel.

    Not to the degree that conservatives have. Not even close.

    Allowing trans people to use the bathroom of their choice and participat sports in line with their own gender identity is another example of conservatives attempting to uphold existing traditions and preserve the social hierarchy.
    There are several born-female athletes who are against having born-males competing in female sports where they would have a natural advantage. Statistically speaking they cannot all be conservative.

    That, however, is the predominant conservative view, is it not?

    Several other people don't care that they are not "binary," but draw the line at restrooms because they don't want male-equiped persons in the restroom with young girls. Since not all trans-genders are gay, i.e.
    they id as male-equipped women who are attracted to women, I can understand their frustration. I know several Democrats and folks more liberal than I who draw this line so, again, not just conservatives.

    It is predominantly conservatives, though. And if you think I'm an extremist,
    I strongly suspect that your "liberal" friends are simply less conservative conservatives than you are.

    Climate change, or more specifically our political and economic response it, is another modern example. Conservatives initially denied that it existed, the begrudgingly accepted that it exists but adamantly denied t humans had anything whatsoever to do with it, and then admitted that hum had something to do with it but feigned ignorance at exactly how much. T oil, gas, and coal industries are the most directly affected by efforts combat climate change, but general resistance to accepting windmills and other forms of renewable energy (except hydro-electric which has been a for some time) is related to the the need to uphold existing traditions preserve the socioeconomic status quo.
    Again, most conservatives I know are not against green energy so long as it can sustain the power grid. Right now, it cannot without fossil fuel sources. Those folks who want to point to some small green utopia city that is supposed to be able to support tens of thousands but currently cannot meet their power demands with only a few thousand people without falling back on the fossil-fuel power grid are grasping at straws.

    Great strides have been made in renewable energy sources in the last few decades, despite the fact that conservatives have fought against it the
    entire time. And they've done so primarily because of the impact that moving
    to primarily green energy would have on the oil, gas, and coal industries.

    You may very well be ashamed of the actions and beliefs of the conservat who came before you, as well you should be, but rest assured that the sa forces are at work today. Just as history has not looked kindly upon the conservatives of the past, so it eill not look kindly on the conservativ today. The thing to remember is that the conservatives of the past belie with every fiber of their being that they were right.
    Here we go... I only had to read one message to be right. "Feel bad
    about America's history, you should..." says Leftie Jeff.

    We all should. Our country supported slavery. We've imrpoved over time, but have had to bring the conservatives among us kicking and screaming into each new century.

    Another thing to remember... leftists like you believe with every fiber
    of their being that they are right, even when they are full of it.

    The conservatives who thought that slavery should continue unabated believed that they were right. Let that sink in.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, November 02, 2021 19:55:05
    On 02 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Additionally, both Critical Race Theory and kneeling during the anthem t protest disproportionate police brutality toward blacks are seen by conservatives as threats to existing traditions and social hierarchy.
    No, it is seen as being false (depending on who teaches it) and being disrespectful.

    Disrespectful to what? Existing traditions and the social hierarchy, perhaps?

    It's seen as a threat to the Anglo-centric telling of history that has been traditionally taught in this country. There is also a fear that by teaching about how minorities were treated in the past, civil unrest could be brought
    on in the present. No one that I'm aware of has pointed out any instances in which it is false.

    If that latter group wants to put their money where their mouths are and try to help out their local communities to stop the violence, that is great. Several do. Others don't really care enough to. Maybe that
    group of kneeling non-doers does feel the way you do, I would not know
    or care.

    I dunno, man. They sure got your attention, didn't they?

    I would also say that if they don't want to be the targets of the police, don't do stupid things. In this area, for example, if I see someone smoking dope in public (which is illegal, and a good way to draw that unwanted police attention), they fall into one of two categories:
    - teenager of any race or sex
    - a non-female, non-hispanic, non-white adult
    The vast majority fall into that latter category. Since I know for a
    fact that there are white and hispanic adults of both sexes, and non-white, non-hispanic female adults that still smoke dope, the difference is the "in public" part. The only assumption I can make is that, for whatever reason, that second, adult group either didn't learn
    as a teen, or was not taught that if you want to keep smoking dope you need to do it out of the public eye.

    Thanks for this late-breaking report from "your area." My area's been pretty quiet, too. Others, obviously, have not.

    Based on those observations, I am not at all shocked to hear which group it is that has a disproportionate number of drug arrests, encounters
    with law enforcement, etc. I am also smart enough to realize that what
    I have observed can probably be applied to other illegal things besides smoking pot.

    Or maybe, just maybe, they were targeted for harassment. Maybe people from other groups do the same things, but aren't investigated.

    OTOH, I have never seen a non-white adult that made me immediately think "meth head." I have seen plenty of white, usually males, that do.

    Along those lines, there are probably some areas in which the majority of
    drug busts are among the white population. Statistics would suggest that
    either meth heads are extremely polite and submissive people, or police brutality towards unarmed blacks is highly disproportionate.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, November 02, 2021 19:57:21
    On 02 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Lefties always are "Rules for thee, but not for me." But that just plays >their need to be "elite".
    Indeed. Now, why aren't you busy feeling guity about American's history? You well should be! You should feel so bad that you want to go out and set fire to someone's business, or some public property, or some other destructive behavior that inches us closer to a more controlling government, or anarchy.

    No one here said that. Perhaps you should feel guilty enough about America's history to stop for a minute, think about your own views, and ask yourself if you're perpetuating the same mistakes. Nice how you jumped to the extremist response, though.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, November 03, 2021 16:43:00
    Allowing trans people to use the bathroom of their choice and participa
    sports in line with their own gender identity is another example of conservatives attempting to uphold existing traditions and preserve the
    social hierarchy.
    There are several born-female athletes who are against having born-males competing in female sports where they would have a natural advantage. Statistically speaking they cannot all be conservative.

    That, however, is the predominant conservative view, is it not?

    I would say this goes beyond conservative. The only thing that makes it "conservative" are the far-leftist who believe it is a good thing just
    because that is what they should think, and want to blame conservatives or religious people, even if it would bother them personally if they found themselves in a restroom-sharing situation.

    It is predominantly conservatives, though. And if you think I'm an extremist, I strongly suspect that your "liberal" friends are simply less conservative conservatives than you are.

    Extremist, maybe not. Leftist rather than liberal, yes.

    Again, most conservatives I know are not against green energy so long as it can sustain the power grid. Right now, it cannot without fossil fuel sources. Those folks who want to point to some small green utopia city that is supposed to be able to support tens of thousands but currently cannot meet their power demands with only a few thousand people without falling back on the fossil-fuel power grid are grasping at straws.

    Great strides have been made in renewable energy sources in the last few decades, despite the fact that conservatives have fought against it the entire time. And they've done so primarily because of the impact that moving to primarily green energy would have on the oil, gas, and coal industries.

    I don't see that big an impact on fossil fuels, since green cannot keep up, especially when they force everyone to green cars, increasing the draw on the power grid and the demand for non-green power sources.

    That is, unless you are willing to go true green and give up your
    automobile and electricity all together, including the internet. I would applaud such an effort, as even some Amish societies are not willing to go
    that far any more.

    We all should. Our country supported slavery. We've imrpoved over time, but have had to bring the conservatives among us kicking and screaming into each new century.

    Supported, past tense, is the key word. None of us were alive then. Many white people in the USA now are decended from people who were not even in the country then, people who were but didn't own slaves (and could have even
    been against the practice), or people who were who freed slaves they had long before the Civil War. Some of them might even be decended from other traditionally oppressed white ethnicities.

    Not everyone is the decendent of a plantation owner. If you are, then good
    on you for wanting to feel guilty. I personally believe it is just
    laziness... wanting to group all white people in one category and not worry about the truth that we are not all the same... sort of like how racists group all people of one race together when they are not the same.

    Maybe that is why you feel guilty... you have more in common
    with lazy racists than others of us do.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, November 03, 2021 16:44:00
    If that latter group wants to put their money where their mouths are and try to help out their local communities to stop the violence, that is great. Several do. Others don't really care enough to. Maybe that group of kneeling non-doers does feel the way you do, I would not know or care.

    I dunno, man. They sure got your attention, didn't they?

    Getting attention shouldn't be the point, but I suspect it was.

    Helping to change things should be the point. I have not changed any of my behaviors because of their attention-seeking.

    Along those lines, there are probably some areas in which the majority of drug busts are among the white population. Statistics would suggest that either meth heads are extremely polite and submissive people, or police brutality towards unarmed blacks is highly disproportionate.

    If you've ever seen a meth head, you would know most are not very capable
    of doing much that requires physical activity.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, November 03, 2021 16:45:00
    Lefties always are "Rules for thee, but not for me." But that just play
    their need to be "elite".
    Indeed. Now, why aren't you busy feeling guity about American's history?
    You well should be! You should feel so bad that you want to go out and set fire to someone's business, or some public property, or some other destructive behavior that inches us closer to a more controlling government, or anarchy.

    No one here said that. Perhaps you should feel guilty enough about America's history to stop for a minute, think about your own views, and ask yourself if you're perpetuating the same mistakes. Nice how you jumped to the extremist response, though.

    No, you've said it, but if you are claiming to be "no one," I guess it is
    true that no one here said that.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, November 03, 2021 16:42:41
    On 03 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    There are several born-female athletes who are against having born- competing in female sports where they would have a natural advantag Statistically speaking they cannot all be conservative.
    That, however, is the predominant conservative view, is it not?
    I would say this goes beyond conservative. The only thing that makes it "conservative" are the far-leftist who believe it is a good thing just because that is what they should think, and want to blame conservatives
    or religious people, even if it would bother them personally if they
    found themselves in a restroom-sharing situation.

    The conservative position is to protect existing traditions and the social hierarchy. Liberals can hold conservative views, and vice-versa. Even the abolitionists who thought that slavery should be ended didn't 100% support womens' suffrage.

    It is predominantly conservatives, though. And if you think I'm an extre I strongly suspect that your "liberal" friends are simply less conservat conservatives than you are.
    Extremist, maybe not. Leftist rather than liberal, yes.

    Marxism/socialism/communism didn't exist by that name at the time that the Constitution was written. The founders didn't make as much of a distinction
    as is made today. They felt that providing a government-run communication infrastructure was the responsibility of the federal government, for example.

    At any rate, I'm glad I'm not the extremist I was a few posts ago.

    Great strides have been made in renewable energy sources in the last few decades, despite the fact that conservatives have fought against it the entire time. And they've done so primarily because of the impact that mo to primarily green energy would have on the oil, gas, and coal industrie
    I don't see that big an impact on fossil fuels, since green cannot keep up, especially when they force everyone to green cars, increasing the
    draw on the power grid and the demand for non-green power sources.

    If it's allowed to proceed to the point where it *can* keep up, it will
    provide a great threat to the fossil fuel industry. Acknowledging that those same fossil fuels are causing the climate change would provide just such an incentive to invest in green energy and innovate to the point where it can replace fossil fuels. Acknowledging that fossil fuels are causing climate change would alter the public's views on fossil fuels. Acknowledgin that
    fossil fuels are causing climate change would unlock government funding for innovation in the green energy sector.

    That is, unless you are willing to go true green and give up your automobile and electricity all together, including the internet. I would applaud such an effort, as even some Amish societies are not willing to
    go that far any more.

    3 of our 4 cars are currently dead from not having been driven. Without the work commute, I hardly drive anywhere anymore. I have a bicycle that gets
    me to the town center and back.

    Electricity does not require fossil fuels to produce.

    We all should. Our country supported slavery. We've imrpoved over time, have had to bring the conservatives among us kicking and screaming into new century.
    Supported, past tense, is the key word. None of us were alive then.
    Many white people in the USA now are decended from people who were not even in the country then, people who were but didn't own slaves (and
    could have even been against the practice), or people who were who freed slaves they had long before the Civil War. Some of them might even be decended from other traditionally oppressed white ethnicities.

    It's not just the one thing. It's a repeating pattern. The people who opposed civil rights weren't alive when the Civil War occurred.

    Not everyone is the decendent of a plantation owner. If you are, then good on you for wanting to feel guilty. I personally believe it is just laziness... wanting to group all white people in one category and not worry about the truth that we are not all the same... sort of like how racists group all people of one race together when they are not the same.

    Oppressing minorities is part of the traditional culture of our country that
    we need to expunge.

    Maybe that is why you feel guilty... you have more in common
    with lazy racists than others of us do.

    I think not. Whether you agree with the racists of the past or not, every
    time that you get a traffic ticket and survive the experience you're benefitting from the systemic racism inherent in our culture.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, November 03, 2021 16:46:21
    On 03 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    If that latter group wants to put their money where their mouths ar try to help out their local communities to stop the violence, that great. Several do. Others don't really care enough to. Maybe tha group of kneeling non-doers does feel the way you do, I would not k or care.
    I dunno, man. They sure got your attention, didn't they?
    Getting attention shouldn't be the point, but I suspect it was.

    Of course it was. That's how advocacy works.

    Helping to change things should be the point. I have not changed any of my behaviors because of their attention-seeking.

    Nor have I. But then again, I'm not a policeperson.

    Along those lines, there are probably some areas in which the majority o drug busts are among the white population. Statistics would suggest that either meth heads are extremely polite and submissive people, or police brutality towards unarmed blacks is highly disproportionate.
    If you've ever seen a meth head, you would know most are not very capable of doing much that requires physical activity.

    Ah, but they are. I suggest you watch the "Your Body On Drugs" episode of "Curiosity." Hosted by Robin Williams, it looks into what our minds and
    bodies are capable of during heavy use of marijuana, cocaine, meth, and heroine.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, November 03, 2021 16:47:31
    On 03 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Indeed. Now, why aren't you busy feeling guity about American's history?
    You well should be! You should feel so bad that you want to go out set fire to someone's business, or some public property, or some ot destructive behavior that inches us closer to a more controlling government, or anarchy.
    No one here said that. Perhaps you should feel guilty enough about Ameri history to stop for a minute, think about your own views, and ask yourse you're perpetuating the same mistakes. Nice how you jumped to the extrem response, though.
    No, you've said it, but if you are claiming to be "no one," I guess it is true that no one here said that.

    I have never said that anyone should feel so bad about America's history that they should destroy public property or the property of others.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, November 03, 2021 22:17:11
    On 03 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    I would say this goes beyond conservative. The only thing that makes it "conservative" are the far-leftist who believe it is a good thing just because that is what they should think, and want to blame conservatives
    or religious people, even if it would bother them personally if they
    found themselves in a restroom-sharing situation.

    So what I hear you saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that gun-free zones don't work but penis-free zones do. In other words, people who own guns are law-abiding citizens until they aren't, but people who own penises are guilty until proven innocent, right?

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, November 03, 2021 07:46:00
    Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

    Lefties always are "Rules for thee, but not for me." But that just plays into
    their need to be "elite".

    Indeed. Now, why aren't you busy feeling guity about American's
    history? You well should be! You should feel so bad that you want to
    go out and set fire to someone's business, or some public property, or some other destructive behavior that inches us closer to a more controlling government, or anarchy.

    Socialism. The root of the "popularity" of Socialism is envy. Mainly the Elite-wannabees are envious of the fruits of other people's labor. They want the fruits, but don't want to do the labor. (In many cases, the labor is simply beyond their ability.) And, because of their need to feel "elite" don't feel as though they should have to work for those fruits. They feel that they are entitled to them.

    So, like all Lefties, they talk about trying to bring everyone up, but their actions are to take everyone down.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, November 03, 2021 07:58:00
    Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

    Again, most conservatives I know are not against green energy so long
    as it can sustain the power grid. Right now, it cannot without fossil fuel sources. Those folks who want to point to some small green utopia city that is supposed to be able to support tens of thousands but currently cannot meet their power demands with only a few thousand
    people without falling back on the fossil-fuel power grid are grasping
    at straws.

    I always invite those "green" Lefties to visit Henry Ford Museum.

    When were electric cars invented: Back in the early 1800's. They have them at the museum and run them in the summer.

    What batteries do they use? The same ones we use today in most electric cars.

    Why did we stop making electric cars? Because they didn't have the range to get to the next town on the roads they had. Also, those cars didn't work well in cold climates.

    We've corrected some of those issues: better batteries, better roads. But the cold still causes chemical batteries to lose power. Darn reality keeps getting in the way of the leftie Narrative.

    Side note: The first hybrid car was made in 1898. It's in the museum too, but not running.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, November 04, 2021 11:11:25
    On 03 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    Socialism. The root of the "popularity" of Socialism is envy. Mainly
    the Elite-wannabees are envious of the fruits of other people's labor. They want the fruits, but don't want to do the labor. (In many cases,
    the labor is simply beyond their ability.) And, because of their need
    to feel "elite" don't feel as though they should have to work for those fruits. They feel that they are entitled to them.

    "Socialism" isn't just a buzzword; it has a very specific definition. I suggest you look it up and study it because what you're describing isn't socialism.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, November 04, 2021 11:28:46
    On 03 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    I always invite those "green" Lefties to visit Henry Ford Museum.
    We've corrected some of those issues: better batteries, better roads.
    But the cold still causes chemical batteries to lose power. Darn
    reality keeps getting in the way of the leftie Narrative.

    Do you know why we have better roads? Is it because some capitalist philanthropist decided to upgrade them out of the kindness of their heart?

    Or is it because US tax dollars were used to build a modern interstate system connecting smaller roadways funded by state, county, and city taxes?

    Damn reality keeps getting in the way of the rightie Narrative.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, November 04, 2021 12:04:24
    On 03 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    I always invite those "green" Lefties to visit Henry Ford Museum.
    What batteries do they use? The same ones we use today in most electric cars.

    Nope, sorry. Most modern electric vehicles use lithium-ion batteries, which have an energy density greater than either lead-acid or Ni-Cd batteries. Research on lithium-ion batteries began in 1912, but they were not
    commercially available until the 1970s.

    The batteries that Ford used were nickel-iron batteries and their short life span was not due to the battery technology but rather because they were prone to leakage.

    Why did we stop making electric cars? Because they didn't have the
    range to get to the next town on the roads they had. Also, those cars didn't work well in cold climates.

    But you know who's really good at really stretching batteries and solar cells to their limits, especially in cold, low-light situations? NASA, a government entity funded by our tax dollars.

    Back in the 60s, the top federal tax rate was around 70% on income over $100,000. During that time, we managed to go from never having been in space before to multiple manned missions to the moon, all funded by US taxpayers.

    If we were to put that kind of effort into developing green enrgy for one decade, I'm pretty sure we could make some sizeable advances.

    Darn
    reality keeps getting in the way of the leftie Narrative.

    It seems to be your "Narrative" that conflicts with reality, Ron.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, November 04, 2021 16:47:30
    I believe I did.
    NO, you didn't... You are a RACIST.

    Actually, I did. I'm not sure how countering Glenn Beck's propaganda
    makes me a racist. You seem very confused.

    No your TAG line makes you a racist... An the only propaganda is the stuff you spread...

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, November 04, 2021 16:55:14
    It is more accurate to describe H L Mencken as elitist than racist. - Larry S Gibson....

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON LAUZON on Thursday, November 04, 2021 16:28:00
    Socialism. The root of the "popularity" of Socialism is envy. Mainly the Elite-wannabees are envious of the fruits of other people's labor. They want the fruits, but don't want to do the labor. (In many cases, the labor is simpl
    beyond their ability.) And, because of their need to feel "elite" don't feel as though they should have to work for those fruits. They feel that they are entitled to them.

    I cannot disagree with this. Wealth redistribution, in general, has a
    basis in envy and wanting reward without any labor, or risk.

    So, like all Lefties, they talk about trying to bring everyone up, but their actions are to take everyone down.

    I have noticed some anymore that don't even bother talking about bringing everyone up. They are pretty open about "bringing down" to level the
    field... at a low level, of course.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, November 04, 2021 16:52:00
    So what I hear you saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that gun-free zones
    don't work but penis-free zones do. In other words, people who own guns are law-abiding citizens until they aren't, but people who own penises are guilty until proven innocent, right?

    No, I have never considered using a women's restroom so I have never drawn
    the same straw-grasping conclusion/comparison that you are here.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Thursday, November 04, 2021 16:41:00
    On 04 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    I believe I did.
    NO, you didn't... You are a RACIST.
    Actually, I did. I'm not sure how countering Glenn Beck's propaganda makes me a racist. You seem very confused.
    No your TAG line makes you a racist... An the only propaganda is the
    stuff you spread...

    I'm sorry if you misunderstood my tagline. Racism itself is a clear, simple, and wrong solution to a complex problem. Mencken had the right idea about simple solutions for complex problems, but apparently couldn't apply it to himself. And by the way, his particular brand of racism was anti-Semitism, which I condemn as much as any other form.

    In no way does that make me racist.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Thursday, November 04, 2021 16:41:51
    On 04 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    It is more accurate to describe H L Mencken as elitist than racist. - Larry S Gibson....

    Mencken was anti-Semitic, a product of the times he lived in.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, November 04, 2021 16:58:55
    On 04 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Socialism. The root of the "popularity" of Socialism is envy. Mainly t Elite-wannabees are envious of the fruits of other people's labor. They the fruits, but don't want to do the labor. (In many cases, the labor is simpl
    beyond their ability.) And, because of their need to feel "elite" don't as though they should have to work for those fruits. They feel that the entitled to them.
    I cannot disagree with this. Wealth redistribution, in general, has a basis in envy and wanting reward without any labor, or risk.

    Wealth is being redistributed all the time. You just happen to favor an economic system that redistributes it upward rather than fairly.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, November 04, 2021 17:52:48
    On 04 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    So what I hear you saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that gun-free zones
    don't work but penis-free zones do. In other words, people who own guns law-abiding citizens until they aren't, but people who own penises are g until proven innocent, right?
    No, I have never considered using a women's restroom so I have never
    drawn the same straw-grasping conclusion/comparison that you are here.

    I have, but that's irrelevant except to say that it wasn't exactly a choice
    and no one was harmed in any way.

    It's not straw-grasping. Think about it. You're saying that just because a
    sign is posted, certain types of equipment aren't allowed.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, November 05, 2021 02:51:55
    Hello Jeff,

    I would say this goes beyond conservative. The only thing that makes it
    "conservative" are the far-leftist who believe it is a good thing just
    because that is what they should think, and want to blame conservatives
    or religious people, even if it would bother them personally if they
    found themselves in a restroom-sharing situation.

    So what I hear you saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that gun-free zones don't work but penis-free zones do. In other words, people who own guns are law-abiding citizens until they aren't, but people who own penises
    are guilty until proven innocent, right?

    Oh my! This can't be! And yet, there it is!

    Our dear moderator pretender seems to have forgotten the cardinal rule
    among men (especially when at a urinal in a public restroom) -

    NEVER LOOK AT ANOTHER MAN'S PENIS!

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, November 05, 2021 15:48:26
    Hello Jeff,

    It is more accurate to describe H L Mencken as elitist than racist. -
    Larry S Gibson....

    Mencken was anti-Semitic, a product of the times he lived in.

    David Duke is anti-Semitic. As well as racist.
    Is Duke a product of the times he lives in?

    --Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, November 05, 2021 10:05:21
    On 05 Nov 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    Hello Jeff,
    Mencken was anti-Semitic, a product of the times he lived in.
    David Duke is anti-Semitic. As well as racist.
    Is Duke a product of the times he lives in?

    Nope. Being anti-Semitic is no longer acceptable behavior. David Duke is
    behind the times.

    That doesn't at all mean that Mencken was correct or commendable in his anti-Semitism, and I personally think he was as despicable as Duke is for having those beliefs. However, society at the time was more accepting of
    those beliefs and he did not face the social stigma that Duke does.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, November 07, 2021 00:44:36
    On 04 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    No, I have never considered using a women's restroom so I have never
    drawn the same straw-grasping conclusion/comparison that you are here.

    You know exactly what I'm asking: Why are people with guns presumed to be law-abiding for the purposes of gun control, but people with penises are presumed to be criminal for the purposes of trans rights?

    If someone has the right to carry a gun wherever they please, shouldn't
    someone else have the right to carry a penis wherever they please?

    Is this too tough a question to answer?

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, November 07, 2021 11:46:28
    Hello Jeff,

    Mencken was anti-Semitic, a product of the times he lived in.
    David Duke is anti-Semitic. As well as racist.
    Is Duke a product of the times he lives in?

    Nope. Being anti-Semitic is no longer acceptable behavior. David Duke is behind the times.

    That doesn't at all mean that Mencken was correct or commendable in his anti-Semitism, and I personally think he was as despicable as Duke is for having those beliefs. However, society at the time was more accepting of those beliefs and he did not face the social stigma that Duke does.

    Duke is still popular in some places. Such as Russia, and a few
    places in Eastern Europe. He is about the same age as Trump is, and
    ran for US Senate in the same election that John Kennedy won.

    He is a good speaker, but still as despicable a person today as he
    was back then.

    --Lee

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  • From Jeff Squires@1:120/457 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, November 07, 2021 08:25:31
    It is more accurate to describe H L Mencken as elitist than racist. - Larry S Gibson....

    Mencken was anti-Semitic, a product of the times he lived in.


    So was Henry Ford....

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, November 07, 2021 16:57:00
    On 04 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    No, I have never considered using a women's restroom so I have never drawn the same straw-grasping conclusion/comparison that you are here.

    You know exactly what I'm asking: Why are people with guns presumed to be law-abiding for the purposes of gun control, but people with penises are presumed to be criminal for the purposes of trans rights?

    If someone has the right to carry a gun wherever they please, shouldn't someone else have the right to carry a penis wherever they please?

    Is this too tough a question to answer?

    It is not a valid comparison. Men are often accused of thinking with their penis. I have never heard of anyone being accused of thinking with an inanimate object. Child molesters are overwhelmingly male equipped. If
    these particular males were also always armed with a gun, your
    apples-to-rocks comparison might make more sense.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Jeff Squires on Sunday, November 07, 2021 10:43:30
    On 07 Nov 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
    It is more accurate to describe H L Mencken as elitist than raci Larry S Gibson....
    Mencken was anti-Semitic, a product of the times he lived in.
    So was Henry Ford....

    Good point.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, November 08, 2021 08:19:55
    On 31 Oct 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?
    You're seeing a pattern because you want to see, such a pattern.

    I will scrutinize your statements and not through my conservative lens, but if find that your bending the historical past, then I will expose it as such. Even before I begin to analyze your statements, it is obvious you're painting with a such a large brush.

    I know how you like to add the repeated phrase or comment at the end of your so called facts, perhaps this adds to your confidence?

    However when you do this, it puts a target on your back. So be it.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, November 08, 2021 07:54:12
    On 07 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    You know exactly what I'm asking: Why are people with guns presumed to b law-abiding for the purposes of gun control, but people with penises are presumed to be criminal for the purposes of trans rights?
    If someone has the right to carry a gun wherever they please, shouldn't someone else have the right to carry a penis wherever they please?
    Is this too tough a question to answer?
    It is not a valid comparison. Men are often accused of thinking with their penis. I have never heard of anyone being accused of thinking
    with an inanimate object. Child molesters are overwhelmingly male equipped. If these particular males were also always armed with a gun, your apples-to-rocks comparison might make more sense.

    It is a valid comparison. People who shoot other people are overwhelmingly people with guns.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, November 08, 2021 08:16:17
    On 08 Nov 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?
    You're seeing a pattern because you want to see, such a pattern.

    No, there's definitely a pattern.

    I will scrutinize your statements and not through my conservative lens, but if find that your bending the historical past, then I will expose it as such. Even before I begin to analyze your statements, it is obvious you're painting with a such a large brush.

    Nope. But by all means, check it out for yourself.

    I know how you like to add the repeated phrase or comment at the end of your so called facts, perhaps this adds to your confidence?

    It's a rhetorical device used to make a point undeniably obvious, for those
    who are too dense to see the bigger picture.

    However when you do this, it puts a target on your back. So be it.

    I have no idea what you mean by this. Are you offended by repeated phrases?

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Monday, November 08, 2021 17:19:31
    Hello Mike,

    No, I have never considered using a women's restroom so I have never
    drawn the same straw-grasping conclusion/comparison that you are
    here.

    You know exactly what I'm asking: Why are people with guns presumed to be
    law-abiding for the purposes of gun control, but people with penises are
    presumed to be criminal for the purposes of trans rights?

    If someone has the right to carry a gun wherever they please, shouldn't
    someone else have the right to carry a penis wherever they please?

    Is this too tough a question to answer?

    It is not a valid comparison. Men are often accused of thinking with their
    penis. I have never heard of anyone being accused of thinking with an inanimate object. Child molesters are overwhelmingly male equipped. If these particular males were also always armed with a gun, your apples-to-rocks comparison might make more sense.

    Do you beat your meat?

    I'll bet you do.

    After all, you're a guy.

    So please. Be honest.

    If you say "No" we will all know you are lying.

    And if you beat somebody else's meat, well, let's not go there.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, November 08, 2021 17:25:01
    Hello Jeff,

    No, I have never considered using a women's restroom so I have never
    drawn the same straw-grasping conclusion/comparison that you are here.

    You know exactly what I'm asking: Why are people with guns presumed to be law-abiding for the purposes of gun control, but people with penises are presumed to be criminal for the purposes of trans rights?

    If someone has the right to carry a gun wherever they please, shouldn't someone else have the right to carry a penis wherever they please?

    Is this too tough a question to answer?

    You do realize there is a town in Louisiana called Cutoff.
    Been there many times. Never stay long, for obvious reasons,
    as it is a very dangerous place for guys, especially when
    a Cajun gal comes chasing after him. You know how it is.
    When truly determined, women (both young and old) always
    get what they want.

    Come to Louisiana. Leave different.
    ~ Louisiana state tourism motto

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, November 08, 2021 18:06:00
    You know exactly what I'm asking: Why are people with guns presumed to law-abiding for the purposes of gun control, but people with penises ar
    presumed to be criminal for the purposes of trans rights?
    If someone has the right to carry a gun wherever they please, shouldn't
    someone else have the right to carry a penis wherever they please?
    Is this too tough a question to answer?
    It is not a valid comparison. Men are often accused of thinking with their penis. I have never heard of anyone being accused of thinking with an inanimate object. Child molesters are overwhelmingly male equipped. If these particular males were also always armed with a gun, your apples-to-rocks comparison might make more sense.

    It is a valid comparison. People who shoot other people are overwhelmingly people with guns.

    Some people believe there are only two sexes... male and female. That
    ignores people born with the traits of both. They exist and it is
    scientific fact that it can happen.

    Many people won't accept that someone can be born as physical sex A but
    feel like they are sex B. There could be hormonal or chromosomal things
    that would explain that. If they reach a legal age and want to completely transition from A to B, then they have become B.

    What you are talking about are people who want to be outwardly the sex they weren't born as, but still want to maintain the sex they were born as in
    the area where it counts the most. There are many psychological problems
    that would explain why they are like that, including multiple personality disorders and disorders related to childhood traumas. Getting only half a
    sex change addresses none of those problems.

    So, you are asking why I think it is wrong for someone with a untreated
    mental condition that affects their sexual being, and who thinks they are a woman from the waist up but are really a man, to be present in a restroom
    where young female children might be present?

    If you want to argue it is not a mental illness then fine... I also don't
    think it is ok for someone who is practicing an intentional deception
    regarding their sex, pretending to be a woman when they are in fact an intact male, to be present in a restroom where young female children might be
    present.

    You are equating them to someone who owns a gun. Yes, I can think of at
    least one person here that you might be able to convince that anyone who
    owns a gun has a mental problem, too, but I am not that one person.

    So, no, it is still not valid.

    Once people start coming out of the womb equipped with firearms and later decide they want said firearm hidden but not removed, so that they can
    appear to no longer be equipped with a firearm when they in fact are, then
    we can circle back to this.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, November 08, 2021 18:33:10
    On 08 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    It is a valid comparison. People who shoot other people are overwhelming people with guns.
    Some people believe there are only two sexes... male and female. That ignores people born with the traits of both. They exist and it is scientific fact that it can happen.

    So which bathroom should these peole born with traits of both use?

    Many people won't accept that someone can be born as physical sex A but feel like they are sex B. There could be hormonal or chromosomal things that would explain that. If they reach a legal age and want to
    completely transition from A to B, then they have become B.

    And which bathroom should they use?

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, November 08, 2021 18:43:43
    On 08 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    It is a valid comparison. People who shoot other people are overwhelming people with guns.
    Some people believe there are only two sexes... male and female. That ignores people born with the traits of both. They exist and it is scientific fact that it can happen.
    Many people won't accept that someone can be born as physical sex A but feel like they are sex B. There could be hormonal or chromosomal things that would explain that. If they reach a legal age and want to
    completely transition from A to B, then they have become B.
    What you are talking about are people who want to be outwardly the sex they weren't born as, but still want to maintain the sex they were born
    as in the area where it counts the most. There are many psychological problems that would explain why they are like that, including multiple personality disorders and disorders related to childhood traumas.
    Getting only half a sex change addresses none of those problems.

    Or perhaps they can't afford it, or have health complications that preclude
    it. Or perhaps they just haven't done it yet. Or maybe they're afraid. Or
    maybe they don't feel confined to the two-gender system. Who are we to automatically assume that they must have psychological problems?

    So, you are asking why I think it is wrong for someone with a untreated mental condition that affects their sexual being, and who thinks they
    are a woman from the waist up but are really a man, to be present in a restroom where young female children might be present?

    Who are we to assume that they have an untreated mental condition? Are you a licensed psychiatrist? I'm certainly not.

    But then we go back to the gun issue. Is it possible that people who feel the need to carry a gun everywhere they go have some sort of undiagnosed mental condition? Maybe they're paranoid. Maybe they're delusional. Do you think
    that these people should be allowed to go into a restroom where children
    might be present?

    Who are you to assume that someone who dresses differently than you think
    they should is automatically a predator, or even more likely to be a predator than someone who dresses the way that you think they should?

    If you want to argue it is not a mental illness then fine... I also don't think it is ok for someone who is practicing an intentional deception regarding their sex, pretending to be a woman when they are in fact an intact male, to be present in a restroom where young female children
    might be present.

    If that's what they identify as, then that's what they identify as. Maybe
    they themselves are scared to be in a restroom with men who might decide to beat them up, or worse, for simply being who they are.

    You are equating them to someone who owns a gun. Yes, I can think of at least one person here that you might be able to convince that anyone who owns a gun has a mental problem, too, but I am not that one person.

    I am not saying that everyone who owns a gun has a mental problem. I never
    said that. You only *assumed* I said that because you think that everyone who doesn't dress as you think they should must have some kind of mental problem.
    I have no problem equaating the two because I don't assume that anyone has a mental problem. For you, with your very unprofessional diagnoses of complete strangers, I can see how it might be confusing.

    So, no, it is still not valid.

    So yes, it is. You're just too afraid of LGBTQ+ people to see it.

    Once people start coming out of the womb equipped with firearms and later decide they want said firearm hidden but not removed, so that they can appear to no longer be equipped with a firearm when they in fact are,
    then we can circle back to this.

    Nope, that's just weird.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, November 09, 2021 09:53:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?

    You're seeing a pattern because you want to see, such a pattern.

    But we *DO* see a pattern here.

    The pattern is that everything Jeff posts is false Leftie Narrative completely unrelated to Reality.

    But I think that everyone has seen that pattern by now.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, November 09, 2021 14:36:24
    On 09 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?
    You're seeing a pattern because you want to see, such a pattern.
    But we *DO* see a pattern here.
    The pattern is that everything Jeff posts is false Leftie Narrative completely unrelated to Reality.

    Ron lies, again.

    But I think that everyone has seen that pattern by now.

    There is no such pattern, unless by "Reality," you mean "your conservative worldview that is existentially threatened by any fact that contradicts it."

    Facts are facts, Ron. If they don't fit your worldview, you need to change
    your worldview. Because trying to change the facts just makes you a laughingstock.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, November 09, 2021 21:09:35
    Facts are facts, Ron. If they don't fit your worldview, you need to
    change your worldview. Because trying to change the facts just makes you
    a laughingstock.

    When you changed the facts about the Democrat caucus, you said Kamala was
    the runner-up. Trying to change that fact didn't work for you, but you're a respected member of the fido community, and certainly not a laughing stock.

    Except for when people correlate you with hits from the 60s! ;)

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, November 10, 2021 08:27:00
    Jeff Thiele wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Facts are facts, Ron. If they don't fit your worldview, you need to
    change your worldview. Because trying to change the facts just makes
    you a laughingstock.

    Lefties always project.

    I know that I have a good laugh when I find some time to read your drivel.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 10, 2021 07:54:53
    On 09 Nov 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Facts are facts, Ron. If they don't fit your worldview, you need to change your worldview. Because trying to change the facts just makes a laughingstock.
    When you changed the facts about the Democrat caucus, you said Kamala was the runner-up. Trying to change that fact didn't work for you, but
    you're a respected member of the fido community, and certainly not a laughing stock.

    I never said that Kamala Harris was the runner up. You said that Biden should have picked a VP that was not from his field of primary opponents, and I pointed out that it used to be the case that the runner-up in the general election became VP. The point was not that Kamala Harris was the runner-up, which she wasn't, but that historically the VP was one of the president's election opponents.

    It was you that decided I was referring to Harris as the runner-up, when I
    was not.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, November 10, 2021 08:34:52
    On 10 Nov 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    Facts are facts, Ron. If they don't fit your worldview, you need to change your worldview. Because trying to change the facts just makes you a laughingstock.
    Lefties always project.
    I know that I have a good laugh when I find some time to read your
    drivel.

    <Squawk>Lefties always do this!<Squawk>Lefties always do that!<Squawk>

    All you've got are meaningless generalities, Ron. You can't even put up a
    solid counter-argument.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 16:05:18
    On 08 Nov 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?
    You're seeing a pattern because you want to see, such a pattern.
    I will scrutinize your statements and not through my conservative lens, but if find that your bending the historical past, then I will expose it as such. Even before I begin to analyze your statements, it is obvious you're painting with a such a large brush.

    Are we to assume that no such contradictory evidence could be found?

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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