Jenna Ryan, who pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of "parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol Building" in relation to the 1/6 riots, is not claiming that basing the length of her sentence in part on whether she expresses remorse or not is, in effect, trying her for a "thought crime."

I'm somewhat inclined to agree with her.

Do you think that murderers (which I am not claiming that Ms. Ryan is) should be given longer (or shorter, based on your point of view) sentences based on whether or not they show remorse for their crime?

Are people sentenced for the crime they committed, or do their inner thoughts about that crime play a part as well?

Jeff.

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Do you think that murderers (which I am not claiming that Ms. Ryan is) should be given longer (or shorter, based on your point of view) sentences based on whether or not they show remorse for their crime?

Are people sentenced for the crime they committed, or do their inner thoughts about that crime play a part as well?

It sure seems like some judges will take a defendent showing remorse into account, but I think it might also be combined with their past record.
Someone who shows remorse and has no prior history might get a lighter
sentence than someone with a lengthy rapsheet, regardless of whether or not they show the same level of remorse. I am not certain that is wrong.

I wonder how long her rapsheet is? If she has been in trouble for similar things before, it might not matter how much remorse she shows.

In past, judges also seem to take into account how likely someone is to
commit the same crime again. That sort of goes along with the rapsheet but also the violence level of the crime. Someone who shows no remorse for a violent crime might be seen as a danger to society, for example, especially
if it involves multiple counts.

You didn't mention how her sentence length compares to that of others who
were sentenced for the same crime during the same incident. If hers is significantly longer, and she doesn't have priors for similar behavior or
ties to groups that have demonstrated similar behavior in other instances,
I might also be inclinded to agree with her.


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On 13 Nov 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Do you think that murderers (which I am not claiming that Ms. Ryan is) s be given longer (or shorter, based on your point of view) sentences base whether or not they show remorse for their crime?
Are people sentenced for the crime they committed, or do their inner tho about that crime play a part as well?

It sure seems like some judges will take a defendent showing remorse into account, but I think it might also be combined with their past record. Someone who shows remorse and has no prior history might get a lighter sentence than someone with a lengthy rapsheet, regardless of whether or not they show the same level of remorse. I am not certain that is wrong.

Yeah, I definitely agree that their past record should be a factor.

I wonder how long her rapsheet is? If she has been in trouble for
similar things before, it might not matter how much remorse she shows.

I'm not sure she has one. She's a realtor from Frisco, TX, and was part of a group that took a private jet to DC on 1/6. I am not 100% certain, but she appears to be a QAnon disciple.

Since we haven't had very many insurrections over the last few decades or so,
I would guess that this was her first one.

In past, judges also seem to take into account how likely someone is to commit the same crime again. That sort of goes along with the rapsheet but also the violence level of the crime. Someone who shows no remorse for a violent crime might be seen as a danger to society, for example, especially if it involves multiple counts.

True. I agree with the violence part, but it seems like extending their punishment due to a likelihood that they'll reoffend might be pre-punishing future potential crimes.

You didn't mention how her sentence length compares to that of others who were sentenced for the same crime during the same incident. If hers is significantly longer, and she doesn't have priors for similar behavior or ties to groups that have demonstrated similar behavior in other
instances, I might also be inclinded to agree with her.

She got 60 days, which seems to be at the lengthier end of the spectrum for
1/6 defendants so far.

She apparently went to Trump's "Stop the Steal" rally, and then returned to
her hotel. After seeing footage of the riot on Fox News, she left her hotel, saying "We're going to war and we're going to be breaking windows." There is recorded evidence of her saying this, so I'm guessing she posted it to social media.

Once at the Capitol, she went inside and was filmed encouraging the assault. She also posted a picture of herself next to a broken window with the
caption, "Window at The capital [sic]. And if the news doesn't stop lying
about us we're going to come after their studios next..."

After returning to Texas, she participated in a number of media interviews, telling NBC that she "felt like a martyr," and telling Fox News that she felt she'd done "something noble." She also posted multiple items to social media, including one in which she wrote, "I deserve a medal for what I did."

However, her most infamous post was to Twitter, in which she explained that
she was "definitely not going to jail. Sorry I have blonde hair white skin a great job a great future and I'm not going to jail."

She has since expressed remorse, but only after having been arrested.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Jenna Ryan, who pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of "parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol Building" in relation to the 1/6 riots, is not claiming that basing the length of her sentence in part on whether she expresses remorse or not is, in effect, trying her for a "thought
crime."

I'm somewhat inclined to agree with her.

Do you think that murderers (which I am not claiming that Ms. Ryan is) should
be given longer (or shorter, based on your point of view) sentences based on
whether or not they show remorse for their crime?

Are people sentenced for the crime they committed, or do their inner thoughts
about that crime play a part as well?

Hate crimes are hate crimes for a reason.

Just because George Wallace said he was sorry does not change the fact
that he did what he did, based on the color of race. But since that was
in the world of politics, nobody could convict him of a thing.

Now what if those January 6 rioters claimed they were simply making
a political statement, rather than committing criminal acts? Should
they also be given a pass, just like George Wallace?

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On 14 Nov 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Do you think that murderers (which I am not claiming that Ms. Ryan is should
be given longer (or shorter, based on your point of view) sentences b on
whether or not they show remorse for their crime?
Are people sentenced for the crime they committed, or do their inner thoughts
about that crime play a part as well?

Hate crimes are hate crimes for a reason.

This is true.

Just because George Wallace said he was sorry does not change the fact that he did what he did, based on the color of race. But since that was
in the world of politics, nobody could convict him of a thing.

Also true.

Now what if those January 6 rioters claimed they were simply making
a political statement, rather than committing criminal acts? Should
they also be given a pass, just like George Wallace?

I doubt what they did is protected as free speech.

Jeff.

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True. I agree with the violence part, but it seems like extending their punishment due to a likelihood that they'll reoffend might be pre-punishing future potential crimes.

I agree, but they seem to do that.

You didn't mention how her sentence length compares to that of others who
were sentenced for the same crime during the same incident. If hers is significantly longer, and she doesn't have priors for similar behavior or
ties to groups that have demonstrated similar behavior in other instances, I might also be inclinded to agree with her.

She got 60 days, which seems to be at the lengthier end of the spectrum for 1/6 defendants so far.

Like you, I might be inclined to agree with her then, except...

She apparently went to Trump's "Stop the Steal" rally, and then returned to her hotel. After seeing footage of the riot on Fox News, she left her hotel, saying "We're going to war and we're going to be breaking windows." There is recorded evidence of her saying this, so I'm guessing she posted it to social media. [...additional evidence of bad behavior deleted for brevity...]

Hmmm, OK, well it sounds like she had some additional intent. Sounds like
she belongs to that group of people who do stupid things and get caught. If she'd not left, she could have claimed to have been part of the crowd and not realized what was about to happen. Instead, she left, figured out full
well what was happening, and went back.

Maybe her sentence was longer, not due to lack of remorse, but greater
evidence of intent. She lost the ability to claim being any type of
innocent bystander when she returned, and then bragged about what she did.

She has since expressed remorse, but only after having been arrested.

I think that was a little too late in her case.


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Hello Jeff,

Do you think that murderers (which I am not claiming that Ms.

Ryan is

should
be given longer (or shorter, based on your point of view)

sentences b

on
whether or not they show remorse for their crime?
Are people sentenced for the crime they committed, or do their

inner

thoughts
about that crime play a part as well?

Hate crimes are hate crimes for a reason.

This is true.

And those who commit them should be prosecuted.

Just because George Wallace said he was sorry does not change the

fact

that he did what he did, based on the color of race. But since that

was

in the world of politics, nobody could convict him of a thing.

Also true.

If those who make political speeches were to be arrested and
prosecuted for their actions, this country would be no better
than other countries with restricted speech - such as Iran,
North Korea, China, Belarussia, etc.

Now what if those January 6 rioters claimed they were simply making
a political statement, rather than committing criminal acts? Should
they also be given a pass, just like George Wallace?

I doubt what they did is protected as free speech.

Exactly my point. And what does the First Amendment say?
"The Congress shall make no law ...". Of course, this does
not pertain to criminal acts.

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