Right-Wing Lie of the Day 0004

"“You may not have stayed in a hotel in the past year, but illegals
arriving since Biden’s inauguration, they get to stay free of charge.” -- Laura Ingraham

The immigrants being put into hotels for quarantine purposes are not
"illegal." They are refugees requesting asylum, and their presence in the country is legal.

On the other hand, "illegal" immigrants are not being put into hotels free of charge.

I'm not sure why conservatives are so stubbornly determined to conflate legal asylum-seekers, especially those from Central and South America, with true "illegal" immigrants even after having been informed of the difference.
They are two different groups of people, with two different legal statuses,
and this policy only applies to one of them.

More info can be found at: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/15/laura-ingraham/fact-checking- laura-ingrahams-claim-about-immigran/

Jeff.

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The "who is paying for it? " is what bothers many of us, regardless of their legal/illegal status.

This is an issue here as well. The illegal crossers cost an average of $14,000 >o $20,000CDN in processing and hotel bills and have created a massive backlog o
cases. This affects how we (as a country) can process the refugees and immigran
ts that we accepted or want to accept who went through the proper process. It >s why it is a non-partisan issue where the majority want it stopped but the gov
rnment is ignoring the "will of the people".

Here we are supposed to either ignore the costs, or be labeled racist or xenophobic. Is it like that there or, as is often the case anywhere there but apparently BC, do you all have better sense than that?


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On 21 Dec 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

The "who is paying for it? " is what bothers many of us, regardless their legal/illegal status.

This is an issue here as well. The illegal crossers cost an average of $1 >o $20,000CDN in processing and hotel bills and have created a massive bac >o
cases. This affects how we (as a country) can process the refugees and >immigran
ts that we accepted or want to accept who went through the proper process >s why it is a non-partisan issue where the majority want it stopped but t >gov
rnment is ignoring the "will of the people".

Here we are supposed to either ignore the costs, or be labeled racist or xenophobic. Is it like that there or, as is often the case anywhere
there but apparently BC, do you all have better sense than that?

Who paid for a two-decade war in Afghanistan that accomplished nothing? That doesn't count, though, does it, because the goal was to kill "ragheads."

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

The "who is paying for it? " is what bothers many of us,

regardless

their legal/illegal status.

This is an issue here as well. The illegal crossers cost an average

of $1

o $20,000CDN in processing and hotel bills and have created a

massive bac

o
cases. This affects how we (as a country) can process the refugees

and

immigran
ts that we accepted or want to accept who went through the proper

process

s why it is a non-partisan issue where the majority want it stopped

but t

gov
rnment is ignoring the "will of the people".

Here we are supposed to either ignore the costs, or be labeled racist

or

xenophobic. Is it like that there or, as is often the case anywhere
there but apparently BC, do you all have better sense than that?

Who paid for a two-decade war in Afghanistan that accomplished nothing? That
doesn't count, though, does it, because the goal was to kill "ragheads."

The Taliban. Been there forever.

We shoulda nuked `em. With Putin's blessing, GWB had the chance.
And then Obama had the chance. And then Biden had the chance, but
wimped out and brought all our troops back home. So who won? The
same people who had defeated the Greeks (once). The same people
who had defeated the British (twice). The same people who had
defeated the Russians (once). The same people who had defeated
the Americans (once).

The people of Afghanistan were there before Alexander the Great
arrived. The people of Afghanistan were there after Alexander the
Great had left. The people of Afghanistan were there before ...

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Here we are supposed to either ignore the costs, or be labeled racist or xenophobic. Is it like that there or, as is often the case anywhere there but apparently BC, do you all have better sense than that?

Who paid for a two-decade war in Afghanistan that accomplished nothing? That doesn't count, though, does it, because the goal was to kill "ragheads."

I didn't support that war, especially once we killed Osama. For some
reason, the President at the time thought we needed to stay beyond that
point.


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On 22 Dec 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Who paid for a two-decade war in Afghanistan that accomplished nothing? doesn't count, though, does it, because the goal was to kill "ragheads."

I didn't support that war, especially once we killed Osama. For some reason, the President at the time thought we needed to stay beyond that point.

Nevertheless, many among us did. Andwho paid for it?

Jeff.

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Here we are supposed to either ignore the costs, or be labeled racist

or

xenophobic. Is it like that there or, as is often the case anywhere
there but apparently BC, do you all have better sense than that?

Who paid for a two-decade war in Afghanistan that accomplished nothing?
That
doesn't count, though, does it, because the goal was to kill "ragheads."

I didn't support that war, especially once we killed Osama. For some reason, the President at the time thought we needed to stay beyond that point.

GWB allowed Osama bin Laden to escape to Pakistan so he could start
another another war based on false pretenses in Iraq.

Barack Obama brought Osama bin Laden to justice, and got our troops
out of Iraq.

Donald J. Trump made peace with the Taliban and left our troops in
Afghanistan to be slaughtered by the same folks who gave us 9/11.

Joe Biden welcomed all our troops back home from Afghanistan, finally
putting an end to the forever war.

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Here we are supposed to either ignore the costs, or be labeled racist or xenophobic. Is it like that there or, as is often the case anywhere
there but apparently BC, do you all have better sense than that?

Like most things culturally American, they tend to make their way up here to some degree too. But in this specific case it didn't happen as surprisingly most Canadians of all political strips saw it for what it was. Polling against it averaged ~70% nationally but as you can imagine that varied from province to province. If I recall BC was the least against it and Quebec (where most of the illegal crossing happens) was most against it. But in all cases racism never entered the national dialogue.
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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

So the only news you got out of her story was "she used the wrong terminology to refer to asylum seekers?"

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You were talking about "American citizens left behind," but they aren't actually citizens; they're permanent residents/green card holders. (At least that's what Sean Hannity says.)

What are American green card holders and permanent residents doing in Afghanistan, if they're not part of the military. The military was evacuated. I'm not sure what obligations the US had toward US green card holders and permanent residents.

Many had relatives there that they were trying to find a way out for.


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On 07 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

What are American green card holders and permanent residents doing in Afghanistan, if they're not part of the military. The military was evacu I'm not sure what obligations the US had toward US green card holders an permanent residents.

So now we're talking about the evacuation of relatives of green card holders?

Jeff.
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Right-Wing Lie of the Day 0011

"The entire Database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED!" -- Donald Trump

The database in question was presumably a database from the 2020
election, which had been
requested by the GOP-commissioned audit of election results in Maricopa County.

I have not heard any reputable news source bring this up in a very long
time now. You are the first person I have heard mention it in, quite
possibly, over a year.


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Right-Wing Lie of the Day 0011

"The entire Database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED!" -- Donald Trump

It's 2022 and Donald Trump still lives rent free within your head.

And probably always will.


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On 09 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Right-Wing Lie of the Day 0011
"The entire Database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED!" Donald Trump

[...]

I have not heard any reputable news source bring this up in a very long time now. You are the first person I have heard mention it in, quite possibly, over a year.

And why have they not brought it up? Because it was a Lie. A Right-Wing Lie. And that's why it's Right-Wing Lie of the Day 0011.

Jeff.

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On 09 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

It's 2022 and Donald Trump still lives rent free within your head.

And probably always will.

Nice try, but no. Donald Trump is a veritable font of Right-Wing Lies. Does
it bother you to see evidence of them? That's on you, not me.

Jeff.

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Right-Wing Lie of the Day 0011
"The entire Database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED!"
Donald Trump

[...]

I have not heard any reputable news source bring this up in a very long time now. You are the first person I have heard mention it in, quite possibly, over a year.

And why have they not brought it up? Because it was a Lie. A Right-Wing Lie. And that's why it's Right-Wing Lie of the Day 0011.

That is pretty old news. As I said before, you could post for us something more current, like the Jen Psaki Lie of the Day. You'd likely only have to
go back as far as her last daily press conference to find one.


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It's 2022 and Donald Trump still lives rent free within your head.

And probably always will.

Nice try, but no. Donald Trump is a veritable font of Right-Wing Lies. Does it bother you to see evidence of them? That's on you, not me.

What is currently more relevant would be what the current Administration is
up to, not an Administration which is no longer in power.

So, yeah, I would say our previous President is still living rent-free in
your head.


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On 09 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

And why have they not brought it up? Because it was a Lie. A Right-Wing And that's why it's Right-Wing Lie of the Day 0011.

That is pretty old news. As I said before, you could post for us something more current, like the Jen Psaki Lie of the Day. You'd likely only have to go back as far as her last daily press conference to find one.

And as I said before, older lies are indisputable lies. Time has shown them
to be irrefutable lies. And even if Psaki were to lie with the degree and frequency of Trump's press secretaries, which she does not, that wouldn't be
a Right-Wing Lie, now would it?

With nothing to refute about the lie itself, or any way to deny that it's not
a lie, you feel the need to criticize my choice of Right-Wing Lies to spotlight? Does it irk you that there's nothing to argue about with regard to the Lies? Does having to face right-wing lies as the undeniable lies that they are make you uncomfortable?

If you want to enumerate lies your way, feel free to do it yourself.

Jeff.

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On 09 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

It's 2022 and Donald Trump still lives rent free within your head

And probably always will.

Nice try, but no. Donald Trump is a veritable font of Right-Wing Lies. D it bother you to see evidence of them? That's on you, not me.

What is currently more relevant would be what the current Administration is up to, not an Administration which is no longer in power.

Trump may or may not run again in 2024, and we have 2022 elections coming up. Trump is still relevant within the GOP. The GOP has a history of prolific lying. This is as relevant as it ever was.

Your attempts to shift the conversation to topics you find "more relevant" is very telling, though. What is it about the Right-Wing Lie of the Day that compels you to advise me on content? What makes you feel the need to tell me that I'm doing my own posts wrong? Why should I care if you'd rather see me post things more critical of the left than the right? Do you really expect me to follow your "advice?" Of course I'm not going to, so what's your real
point?

Jeff.

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Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

That is pretty old news. As I said before, you could post for us something more current, like the Jen Psaki Lie of the Day. You'd
likely only have to go back as far as her last daily press conference
to find one.

Usually more than one.

That's why no one bothers with a "Left-wing Lie of the Day". Lefties lie like the breathe. If we only posted 1 lie per day, we'd spend a year documenting 1 day's worth of Leftie Lies.


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On 10 Jan 2022, Ron Lauzon said the following...

That is pretty old news. As I said before, you could post for us something more current, like the Jen Psaki Lie of the Day. You'd likely only have to go back as far as her last daily press conference to find one.

Usually more than one.
That's why no one bothers with a "Left-wing Lie of the Day". Lefties
lie like the breathe. If we only posted 1 lie per day, we'd spend a
year documenting 1 day's worth of Leftie Lies.

You are exaggerating, Ron. In fact, I dare you to post 10 "Leftie Lies" just from today. On the other hand, Trump was in office 1461 days and has more
than 30,000 verifiable lies: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-c laims-total-30573-over-four-years/

Jeff.

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That is pretty old news. As I said before, you could post for us something more current, like the Jen Psaki Lie of the Day. You'd likely only have to go back as far as her last daily press conference to find one.

And as I said before, older lies are indisputable lies. Time has shown them to be irrefutable lies. And even if Psaki were to lie with the degree and frequency of Trump's press secretaries, which she does not, that wouldn't be a Right-Wing Lie, now would it?

If it is a lie that no one is repeating now, that makes me think no one
bought it or, once it was proven false the person who said it and/or people
who believed it backed off.

Continuing to bring up old, irrelevant news seems, well, irrelevant. It
makes it seem like that, while folks on the right lie, they don't lie all
that often if all you can find are old lies.


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That is pretty old news. As I said before, you could post for us something more current, like the Jen Psaki Lie of the Day. You'd
likely only have to go back as far as her last daily press conference
to find one.

Usually more than one.

Yes, you'd have enough to carry you through the weekends and holidays.


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On 10 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

If it is a lie that no one is repeating now, that makes me think no one bought it or, once it was proven false the person who said it and/or people who believed it backed off.

Nevertheless, it is a lie. It was a lie when it was told.

Continuing to bring up old, irrelevant news seems, well, irrelevant. It makes it seem like that, while folks on the right lie, they don't lie all that often if all you can find are old lies.

I can find new lies, but they're going to be hotly contested by those who currently believe them which is a waste of time, if you ask me. I'm not
trying to fact-check; I'm demostrating the right's propensity for spreading lies. The lies I present are ones that you or others may have believed when they were told, but now know to have been a lie. Look at what your ideology
is doing to your mind as you are fed all of these lies over time.

Jeff.

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On 10 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

That is pretty old news. As I said before, you could post for us something more current, like the Jen Psaki Lie of the Day. You'd likely only have to go back as far as her last daily press conferen to find one.

Usually more than one.

Yes, you'd have enough to carry you through the weekends and holidays.

Ok, prove it.

Jeff.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

Trump has been more positive for the U.S.A then any President since Kennedy. Biden's Presidency and even Joe Biden, himself have been
nothing but a complete disaster. I would not be at all surprised if you regret if you regret your vote for Biden. If not why not?

Lefties will NEVER admit that they were wrong and will always double down on their bad decisions.


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On 11 Jan 2022, Ron Lauzon said the following...

Trump has been more positive for the U.S.A then any President since Kennedy. Biden's Presidency and even Joe Biden, himself have been nothing but a complete disaster. I would not be at all surprised if y regret if you regret your vote for Biden. If not why not?

Lefties will NEVER admit that they were wrong and will always double
down on their bad decisions.

<Squawk!>Lefties always this!<Squawk!>Lefties never that!<Squawk!>

Jeff.

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Trump has been more positive for the U.S.A then any President since Kennedy. Biden's Presidency and even Joe Biden, himself have been nothing but a complete disaster. I would not be at all surprised if you regret if you regret your vote for Biden. If not why not?

Lefties will NEVER admit that they were wrong and will always double down on their bad decisions.

Or blame someone else.


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Jeff Thiele wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

<Squawk!>Lefties always this!<Squawk!>Lefties never that!<Squawk!>

And Jeff continues to deny reality and think that anyone cares about what he writes.


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On 12 Jan 2022, Ron Lauzon said the following...

<Squawk!>Lefties always this!<Squawk!>Lefties never that!<Squawk!>

And Jeff continues to deny reality and think that anyone cares about
what he writes.

You responded, didn't you? So much for that twit list, eh?

Jeff.

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Lefties will NEVER admit that they were wrong and will always double dow their bad decisions.

Or blame someone else.

The Democrat makes an evil plan, then awkwardly blames Republicans in advance, then finally acts out his own evil plan while all eyes are on the Republicans.

It's so smart, that it's stupid ;)

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On 11 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Lefties will NEVER admit that they were wrong and will always doubl their bad decisions.

Or blame someone else.

The Democrat makes an evil plan, then awkwardly blames Republicans in advance, then finally acts out his own evil plan while all eyes are on
the Republicans.

That's a nice conspiracy theory you have there. Too bad that's all it is.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

<Squawk!>Lefties always this!<Squawk!>Lefties never that!<Squawk!>

And Jeff continues to deny reality and think that anyone cares about
what he writes.

You responded, didn't you? So much for that twit list, eh?

Oh, you'd better watch out!
You'd better not pout!
You'd better not shout 'cause naughty or nice,
Santa Claus is coming to town!

He's keeping a list,
He's checking it twice ...

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On 14 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

No, Nancy Pelosi wasn't arrested after ripping a copy of the State of t
Union speech.

Who has claimed she was?

This was a viral social networking post.

Viral social network post = internet rumor. Circle back when someone
credible is making such claims... then it could be a "Lie of the Day."

Sounds more like a Far Right Wing Untrue Conspiracy Theory of the Day, or
someone's joke of the day, than anything most sane people would believe.

You would think, right? But it is untrue, which makes it a lie, and it was spread on social media, to the point that Facebook had to block it as misinformation. Apparently some people believed it.

The thing is, as it is a *social media post*, we don't know who started
it. For all we know, it was not anyone with Right Wing beliefs. It
could have come from some left-wing hack, or even from abroad.

Is it untruthful? Very likely. Can you prove, without doubt, that it originated from a credible right-wing source? Nooooooo. Can you prove it originated from any right-wing source? Nooooooo.

If she was arrested, how come she was out so quick and no reputable news sources ever picked up on it?

I know, right?

So it is a very-likely lie, but we have no proof where it originated from.
We only have proof that bozos on social media started, spread, and likely
some believed it. And, yes, most who believed it are probably
right-leaning and probalby did so more because they'd like to believe it
was true that Nancy and Hillary got arrested.

That is more along the lines of "Lie of the Day that a Right-Winger would believe" than a certifiable lie from a right-wing source.


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On 15 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

This was a viral social networking post.

Viral social network post = internet rumor. Circle back when someone credible is making such claims... then it could be a "Lie of the Day."

Nevertheless, it was a lie circulated in right-wing circles. It does not require someone credible to be making it.

You would think, right? But it is untrue, which makes it a lie, and it w spread on social media, to the point that Facebook had to block it as misinformation. Apparently some people believed it.

The thing is, as it is a *social media post*, we don't know who started it. For all we know, it was not anyone with Right Wing beliefs. It
could have come from some left-wing hack, or even from abroad.

It could have, but it was cirulated in right-wing circles. It doesn't matter who started it.

Is it untruthful? Very likely. Can you prove, without doubt, that it originated from a credible right-wing source? Nooooooo. Can you prove
it originated from any right-wing source? Nooooooo.

Nevertheless, it circulated in right-wing circles. Regardless of who
originated it, it was picked up and spread by right-wingers.

So it is a very-likely lie, but we have no proof where it originated
from. We only have proof that bozos on social media started, spread, and likely some believed it. And, yes, most who believed it are probably right-leaning and probalby did so more because they'd like to believe it was true that Nancy and Hillary got arrested.

And that makes it a right-wing lie.

That is more along the lines of "Lie of the Day that a Right-Winger would believe" than a certifiable lie from a right-wing source.

And that makes it a right-wing lie.

Jeff.

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It could have, but it was cirulated in right-wing circles. It doesn't matter who started it.

Maybe I am misunderstanding the point of your lie of the day posts. My assumption would be that you would be posting things that right-wing politicians and media outlets were claiming as true.

To me, including some internet meme, which could have come from anyone
(even you!) but that is believable to, and circulated by, the general
public seems a lot like reaching. Especially since right-wing politicians
and pundits supposedly lie so much.

I agree they are lies but, unless they started with a right-wing source,
they are someone else's lies. Claiming that they are "right wing lies"
would be like me quoting Dale's COVID number research and then you
attributing those numbers to me or the "right wing" just because I reposted them.


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On 16 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

It could have, but it was cirulated in right-wing circles. It doesn't ma who started it.

Maybe I am misunderstanding the point of your lie of the day posts. My assumption would be that you would be posting things that right-wing politicians and media outlets were claiming as true.

Nope. It's to highlight the various lies, large and small, that circulate in right-wing circles. It's to demonstrate that conservatives are constantly
lied to either by people they trust or by people they choose to trust because they like the message. It's to demonstrate just how far conservative gullibility has led them astray from reality.

To me, including some internet meme, which could have come from anyone (even you!) but that is believable to, and circulated by, the general public seems a lot like reaching. Especially since right-wing
politicians and pundits supposedly lie so much.

Good for you. To me, it's a lie that was spread because it contained a
message that people liked.

I agree they are lies but, unless they started with a right-wing source, they are someone else's lies. Claiming that they are "right wing lies" would be like me quoting Dale's COVID number research and then you attributing those numbers to me or the "right wing" just because I reposted them.

Many of the social media posts containing right-wing lies in 2016 and 2020 started in Russian troll farms. They were scooped up by conservatives nonetheless. Many of the lies started as satire, but in time began being circulated as actual fact. Some of the lies even started out as legitimate scientific papers, which people inadvertently or intentionally misconstrued into lies, as we have seen right here with Aaron's declaration that the
number of vaccinated/unvaccinated in Ontario's hospitals (a fact) means that the vaccines are not effective (a lie).

I agree they are lies but, unless they started with a right-wing source, they are someone else's lies. Claiming that they are "right wing lies" would be like me quoting Dale's COVID number research and then you attributing those numbers to me or the "right wing" just because I reposted them.

Why did you repost the hospitalization numbers, if it had nothing to do with the effectiveness of the vaccines?

Jeff.

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I agree they are lies but, unless they started with a right-wing source, they are someone else's lies. Claiming that they are "right wing lies" would be like me quoting Dale's COVID number research and then you attributing those numbers to me or the "right wing" just because I reposted them.

Why did you repost the hospitalization numbers, if it had nothing to do with the effectiveness of the vaccines?

I posted them without any editorial comments, as best as I can remember.


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I agree they are lies but, unless they started with a right-wing so they are someone else's lies. Claiming that they are "right wing l would be like me quoting Dale's COVID number research and then you attributing those numbers to me or the "right wing" just because I reposted them.

Why did you repost the hospitalization numbers, if it had nothing to do the effectiveness of the vaccines?

I posted them without any editorial comments, as best as I can remember.

That you did, but what was your motivation for posting them in the first
place? Why not post numbers from anywhere else?

Jeff.

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