Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysitting for every living creature on the earth" act. Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans about the ridiculous bill.

So now Joe will go on to sign an executive order where he will legally steal trillions of dollars from us, against our will, because when democracy gets in the way of some Democrat's evil plans, suddenly democracy is no longer our model.

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Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysitting for every living creature on the earth" act.

There is no such act.

Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans about the ridiculous bill.

Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

So now Joe will go on to sign an executive order where he will legally steal trillions of dollars from us, against our will,

I don't know if Joe will proceed with an executive order but if he does that is not theft/stealing.

because when democracy gets in the way of some Democrat's evil plans, suddenly democracy is no longer our model.

You want to talk about democracy? Democracy is no longer part of the republican plan/platform.

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Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans about
the ridiculous bill.

Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It actually does.


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Hello Aaron,

Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysitting
for every living creature the earth" act. Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans about the ridiculous bill.

Joe Manchin has been bought by corporate donors. As such, he stated
his opposition to the legislation based on his own made up beliefs
that people are abusing the child income tax credit in order to buy
drugs. As well as abusing sick leave in order to go hunting. Here
is Joe Manchin, in his own words -

"I cannot vote to continue with this legislation. I just can't.
I tried eerything humanly possible. I can't get there. This is a
`no' on this legislation." ~Joe Manchin

Oh, my. Do you know hiw *real* reason as to why he "can't" vote
infaor of the legislation? Because he has been bought by corporate
donors. This has been revealed for all the world to see, by his
very own leadership PAC, Country Roads. So please. Spare us your
drivel. Joe Manchin is a sellout to his constituents in West
Virginia, as well as to the people of this country.

That's right. Joe Manchin is no Democrat. Joe Manchin is no
Republican. Joe Manchin is not even a patriotic American. But
Joe Manchin is very much a selfish and greedy SOB.

To say and suggest that people who receive child income credits
buy drugs is sick and demeaning. And to say and suggest that people
abuse sick leave in order to go hunting is also an appalling thing
to say.

Shame on Joe Manchin. For putting his own interest in money
ahead of everything else - while shaming American citizens who
are trying to survive while making an honest living - is beyond
the pale.

He should resign from the US Senate, and apologize to us all.

And then all eyes will be on Moscow Mitch to do the same.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most

Americans about

the ridiculous bill.

Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It actually does.

Joe Manchin was bought by corporate donors.

His leadership PAC, Country Roads, received 36 donations from
corporations in the last two months and raised close to $260,000
in that time period. And that's just for starters.

See how that works, Mike?

Each donation in the range of $2,500 to $5,000 from many, including
the likes of American Express, UnitedHealth Group, Blue Cross/Blue
Shield, and CNX.

Money talks. Joe Manchin listens. And those who listen usually
get bought. Only question that remains is how long a politician
will stay bought.

--Lee

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Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It actually does.

Joe Manchin is in it for Joe Manchin, to hell with the democrats, republicans and anyone else. America be damned.

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No wonder the Lefties are sweating like crazy about the election next year. Out of office and up on charges.

Who's facing charges though? So far, they have arrested Igor Danchenko
(liberal activist paid for by Clinton's attorney to promote the Steele dossier.)

Liberals don't care that Hillary cheated. They will never bite the hand that feeds them their foodstamps. They are glad that she cheated, and angry that
she lost.

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On 12-26-21 15:22, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about Manchin <=-

Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysitting for every living creature on the earth" act. Manchin's
voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans about the ridiculous bill.

The bill is not ridiculous in my opinion -- clearly your opinion is
different. But Manchin is against the opinions of a super-majority of
the American people.

So now Joe will go on to sign an executive order where he will legally steal trillions of dollars from us, against our will, because when democracy gets in the way of some Democrat's evil plans, suddenly democracy is no longer our model.

Biden is not doing anything illegal. The American public elected him
and he is doing his job. The American did not elect Joe Manchin, who
does not seem to know or care that the bill will help the people of West Virginia who elected him.

Dale Shipp
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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

Who's facing charges though? So far, they have arrested Igor Danchenko (liberal activist paid for by Clinton's attorney to promote the Steele dossier.)

We are hoping that Durham's investigation brings more in. It's already got several Clinton campaign people up for deposition.

But if the Dems start losing power, they are going to find it harder and harder to smooth over their crimes.

Liberals don't care that Hillary cheated. They will never bite the hand that feeds them their foodstamps. They are glad that she cheated, and angry that she lost.

The die hard lefties don't care. Many of the actual Liberals got red pilled over the last year or 2.

The Lefties are the ones who want socialism because they are worthless people who want to be important and they will never be important under a capitalistic system that rewards actual accomplishment.


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Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It actually does.

Joe Manchin is in it for Joe Manchin, to hell with the democrats, republicans d anyone else. America be damned.

But his opinion on this matter does reflect the wishes of his constituents.

I also realize that since he didn't side with the party, you are going to
be very down on him and claim he is only in it for himself. Going blindly
with whichever party is closest to leftist is your thing. I am guessing if he'd been for it, and Aaron was complaining about what he did, you'd think
he was the best thing since sliced bread... or since Biden anyway.


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But his opinion on this matter does reflect the wishes of his constituents.

What wishes of his constituents does his opinion reflect?

I also realize that since he didn't side with the party, you are going to
be very down on him and claim he is only in it for himself.

He is in it for himself.

Going blindly with whichever party is closest to leftist is your thing.

I am not going blindy in any direction. You are projecting.

I am guessing if he'd been for it, and Aaron was complaining about what he did, you'd think he was the best thing since sliced bread... or since Biden anyway.

Manchin is not someone I have been watching. I am not impressed or unimpressed by the man. He is an old fashioned politician, he goes where the money is.

Biden has still not impressed me in any big way but I favour him to Donald Trump, largely.

I think Biden has done very well considering what he has had to deal with since taking office and the situation America is in today.

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But his opinion on this matter does reflect the wishes of his constituents.

What wishes of his constituents does his opinion reflect?

From various polls they were not in favor of him voting for it.

I also realize that since he didn't side with the party, you are going to be very down on him and claim he is only in it for himself.

He is in it for himself.

You have no proof of that beyond the fact that he didn't vote like you
would have wanted which, seeing as how you are not even a US citizen, why should you care?

Going blindly with whichever party is closest to leftist is your thing.

I am not going blindy in any direction. You are projecting.

If that was the case, I would be hating on him because he is a Democrat.

I am guessing if he'd been for it, and Aaron was complaining about what he did, you'd think he was the best thing since sliced bread... or since Biden anyway.

Manchin is not someone I have been watching. I am not impressed or unimpressed
y the man. He is an old fashioned politician, he goes where the money is.

So you are convinced he is in it for himself, yet you admit that you've not been paying any attention to him. That just goes to further prove my
point... the only thing you know of him is that he is a Democrat who went against the wishes of the other Democrats, for this one bill, so that makes
him "in it for himself" because going against the Democrats is the only thing that you measure a politician on.

I think Biden has done very well considering what he has had to deal with sinc
taking office and the situation America is in today.

You mean having a Democrat majority in both houses? Or his own administration's bumbling of the Afghan pullout? Or maybe it is his own promise of a federal plan to wipe out COVID, only to turn around just this Monday and tell a meeting of US governors that COVID is not something that
can be solved on the federal level and needs to be handled by the states?

That is a lot to deal with, especially when most of it involves either yourself, or your party, shooting itself in the foot.

I guess we will just wait for you to turn around and tell us "I didn't say Manchin was in it for himself!" even though it is quoted above, or "I
didn't say I wasn't paying attention to him!" even though you admit above he
is "not someone (you) have been watching."


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He is in it for himself.

You have no proof of that beyond the fact that he didn't vote like you
would have wanted which, seeing as how you are not even a US citizen, why should you care?

What makes you think I care? I only said that Manchin was in it for himself and not the people of the USA or his constituents.

Manchin like so many politicians goes where the money (for himself) is.

I think Biden has done very well considering what he has had to deal with
since taking office and the situation America is in today.

You mean having a Democrat majority in both houses? Or his own administration's bumbling of the Afghan pullout?

Biden didn't bumble the Afgan pullout.

The attack by Al Queda was not Biden's doing. Everyone wanted out and now your out.

Or maybe it is his own promise of a federal plan to wipe out COVID, only to turn around just this Monday and tell a meeting of US governors that COVID is not something that can be solved on the federal level and needs to be handled by the states?

Your saying the states should have no hand in the solution?

The solution is going to need the attention of all involved.

Federal/State/Local and individuals.

I guess we will just wait for you to turn around and tell us "I didn't say Manchin was in it for himself!"

OK, you wait.
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What makes you think I care?

The fact that you felt like you needed to respond to Aaron's original
message?

I only said that Manchin was in it for himself and
not the people of the USA or his constituents.

His constituents may disagree with you.

You mean having a Democrat majority in both houses? Or his own administration's bumbling of the Afghan pullout?

Biden didn't bumble the Afgan pullout.

He promised it would go smoothly, that there would be no US citizens left behind, & that there would not be people plucked off rooftops like in Vietnam.

None of those promises were kept.

The attack by Al Queda was not Biden's doing. Everyone wanted out and now your
ut.

Several US diplomats in Afghanistan, and several military experts, were
warning that it would happen, but nothing was done to counter the
possibility until it was too late (and it had happened).


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His constituents may disagree with you.

Yeah, maybe.

Biden didn't bumble the Afgan pullout.

He promised it would go smoothly, that there would be no US citizens left behind, & that there would not be people plucked off rooftops like in Vietnam. None of those promises were kept.

I'm not sure he made those promises.

The attack by Al Queda was not Biden's doing. Everyone wanted out and now
your out.

Several US diplomats in Afghanistan, and several military experts, were warning that it would happen, but nothing was done to counter the
possibility until it was too late (and it had happened).

Yes, the experts have all spoken.

Bush wanted out, Obama wanted out, Trump wanted out, the American people wanted out, and Now Biden has taken you out.

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Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysit for every living creature on the earth" act.

There is no such act.

We are a borderless nation. Our freebies are available to all of the world's occupants.

Manchin's voice in this matter reflects the attitude of most Americans a the ridiculous bill.

Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It depends on which constituents you talk with. Fox News was able to find a paragraph full of West Virginians who support Joe Manchin's decision.

Honestly, there's no way to determine if the majority of Americans support Build Back Better. We're not voting on that bill, only congress is voting on it. I won't try to argue with you that "more West Virginians wrote letters to Manchin asking him to reject the bill VS those who asked him to endorse it."
It actually makes no difference. Senators call the shots; not constituents.

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Joe Manchin has been bought by corporate donors. As such, he stated
his opposition to the legislation based on his own made up beliefs
that people are abusing the child income tax credit in order to buy
drugs. As well as abusing sick leave in order to go hunting. Here
is Joe Manchin, in his own words -

Corporations are allowed to donate. That's why Quantum Fund currently conrtols the USA.

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and he is doing his job. The American did not elect Joe Manchin, who
does not seem to know or care that the bill will help the people of West Virginia who elected him.

Manchin mentioned that "the bill does nothing to combat the pandemic."

That's my biggest problem with it too. If we could fix 1 problem in this country right now, it should be the virus problem.

Free babysitting will help West Virginians for a few months, but then inflation will do them in. I used to live in West Virginia. Stuff is expensive there. Wages are low, taxes are high, and they even make motorists pay an annual tax on their vehicles. Nobody is happy about 6.2% inflation. Joe Manchin is a hero.

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Hello Aaron,

Joe Manchin has been bought by corporate donors. As such, he stated
his opposition to the legislation based on his own made up beliefs
that people are abusing the child income tax credit in order to buy
drugs. As well as abusing sick leave in order to go hunting. Here
is Joe Manchin, in his own words -

Corporations are allowed to donate. That's why Quantum Fund currently conrtols the USA.

Joe Manchin is for Joe Manchin, not for the people of West Virginia
or the people of the United States.

Joe Manchin has been bought by corporate donors, as shown by his PAC
(Country Roads), and votes their interests.

--Lee

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Joe Manchin refused to vote in favor of the Biden Regime's "Free babysit >> > for every living creature on the earth" act.

There is no such act.

We are a borderless nation. Our freebies are available to all of the world's occupants.

Really. Then this should all be easy then.

Ah, No. It doesn't even reflect the wishes of his constituents.

It depends on which constituents you talk with. Fox News was able to find a paragraph full of West Virginians who support Joe Manchin's decision.

Yes, I am sure Manchin has his supporters.

Honestly, there's no way to determine if the majority of Americans support Build Back Better. We're not voting on that bill, only congress is voting on it. I won't try to argue with you that "more West Virginians wrote letters to Manchin asking him to reject the bill VS those who asked him to endorse it." It actually makes no difference. Senators call the shots; not constituents.

What you are describing is a problem. The gov't of the USA is supposed to be for the people, by the people.

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Conservative idiots are still conservatives.
Republican idiots are still Republicans.

But they don't represent all conservatives or Republicans.

Just like your opinions or, thank goodness(!!!), Al's, do not represent the views of all Democrats or liberals.


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On 05 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Conservative idiots are still conservatives.
Republican idiots are still Republicans.

But they don't represent all conservatives or Republicans.

No, but they do represent a sizeable portion of them, a portion large
enough that the GOP can't risk alienating them.

Just like your opinions or, thank goodness(!!!), Al's, do not represent the views of all Democrats or liberals.

No, but we do represent a fairly large contingent of them.

Jeff.

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On 01-07-22 02:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Afghanistan <=-

The attacks on voting rights at the state level directly impact the
right to vote at the national level, since states are in charge of their own voting laws. Are you sure that you passed "World Politics 101" with
an A? I'm guessing "US Government 101" was not as kind to you.

I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, but how
am I supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to change their voting laws?

You can know that by listening to the news, reading national news
papers, and other means. It is your duty to stay informed on those
things which have impact on critical issues of today. Voting rights is
right up at the top of such things.

Dale Shipp
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I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, but ho am I supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to chan their voting laws?

You can know that by listening to the news, reading national news
papers, and other means. It is your duty to stay informed on those
things which have impact on critical issues of today. Voting rights is right up at the top of such things.

That's ridiculous! A "duty" to watch the news? The news is liberal propaganda. That's like me telling you that you have a duty to listen to Trump rallies.

If I experience anything that I don't like on election day, I'll complain to
my district reps. That's my real duty.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, b am I supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to their voting laws?

You can know that by listening to the news, reading national news papers, and other means. It is your duty to stay informed on those things which have impact on critical issues of today. Voting rights right up at the top of such things.

That's ridiculous! A "duty" to watch the news? The news is liberal propaganda. That's like me telling you that you have a duty to listen to Trump rallies.

"The news" is not liberal propaganda. How do you think other conservatives
know what's going on in their country and the rest of the world? No wonder you're so uninformed on national topics.

If I experience anything that I don't like on election day, I'll
complain to my district reps. That's my real duty.

Then why do you comment on national politics? Without knowing any of the
facts, no less?

Jeff.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That's ridiculous! A "duty" to watch the news? The news is liberal propaganda. That's like me telling you that you have a duty to listen to Trump rallies.
If I experience anything that I don't like on election day, I'll
complain to my district reps. That's my real duty.

By the way, this is not Jeff making Aaron look foolish. This is Aaron making Aaron look foolish all by himself.

Jeff.

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On 01-08-22 15:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Voting rights <=-

I get it that local voting laws can impact
national elections, but ho
am I supposed to know that Republicans in
Michigan are trying to chan
their voting laws?

You can know that by listening to the news, reading national news
papers, and other means. It is your duty to stay informed on those
things which have impact on critical issues of today. Voting rights is right up at the top of such things.

That's ridiculous! A "duty" to watch the news? The news is liberal propaganda. That's like me telling you that you have a duty to listen
to Trump rallies.

Actually, I do keep informed about what happens at Trump rallies. My
point is that if you wish to be an informed voter, then you ought to
keep informed about critcal issues. I know that not all people do that,
and that some vote based only on a political advertisement or even just
what the candidate looks like -- but that is not the way it should be
done.

Dale Shipp
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On 01-08-22 15:53, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Afghanistan <=-

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the
president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your
opinion?

Keep an eye on him and don't worry what Trump does. He can't
hurt you anymore.

Trump is still hurting us. He has the Republican party under his thumb
to the point of having them change voting laws in any state that they
control, and doing so in a way to make it harder for minority voters to
vote.

He is also milking the RNC to pay his many legal bills to thwart
investigations into possible shady dealings of him and his businesses.

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On 09 Jan 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your opinion?

This should be interesting.

Jeff.

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Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your opinion?

Biden's covid vaccine mandate goes against the 1st amendment because religious exemptions are at the mercy of employers. What does the gas station manager know about my religious beliefs? Who is he to decide if there's logic to my request?

Biden's request for prioritization of covid treatments for non-whites goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

Biden violates the 13th amendment by warmly welcoming millions of undocumented migrants into the country. They get raped and robbed on the way here, and once they arrive, they're vulerable to servitude, whether it's forced labor or forced prostitution. The man is enabling slavery in the USA.

(The 12th amendment, well, I made a mistake I meant 13th.)

Trump is still hurting us. He has the Republican party under his thumb
to the point of having them change voting laws in any state that they control, and doing so in a way to make it harder for minority voters to vote.

The Republican party is not capable of changing voting laws. Despite his billionaire status, Trump's not bankrolling anyone's campaign(s) (that I know of.) Is he?

How is it that these new proposed voting laws are going to make it harder for minorities to vote?

He is also milking the RNC to pay his many legal bills to thwart investigations into possible shady dealings of him and his businesses.

Who is that hurting? I have not heard any complaints about this issue.

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On 09 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your opinion?

Biden's covid vaccine mandate goes against the 1st amendment because religious exemptions are at the mercy of employers. What does the gas station manager know about my religious beliefs? Who is he to decide if there's logic to my request?

He's not expected to evaluate the validity of your request. He's expected to accept it. And you're expected to provide weekly COVID test results in lieu
of being vaccinated.

Biden's request for prioritization of covid treatments for non-whites
goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

Anyone can get vaccinated. No white people are being turned away in favor of non-whites. You are intentionally distorting the details of the "prioritization."

Biden violates the 13th amendment by warmly welcoming millions of undocumented migrants into the country. They get raped and robbed on the way here, and once they arrive, they're vulerable to servitude, whether it's forced labor or forced prostitution. The man is enabling slavery in the USA.

These people are seeking asylum. Less than half of them are accepted, which doesn't sound like the "warm welcome" you're trying to make it out to be.

Once in the asylum system, they are documented immigrants. What is your evidence that they are more vulnerable to forced labor or forced prostitution than anyone else?

They are aware of the dangers of the journey, and choose to make it anyway. That alone speaks to the conditions they are fleeing.

Trump is still hurting us. He has the Republican party under his thu to the point of having them change voting laws in any state that they control, and doing so in a way to make it harder for minority voters vote.

The Republican party is not capable of changing voting laws. Despite his billionaire status, Trump's not bankrolling anyone's campaign(s) (that I know of.) Is he?

The Republican party is indeed capable of changing voting laws. Voting laws
are state-level laws, defined by state legislatures. State legislatures
consist of elected politicians, primarily those of two parties: Republican
and Democrat. State legislatures that have a Republican majority can change laws, to include voting laws. And they can change those laws in accordance
with the desires of the Republican party.

"The Republican party is not capable of changing voting laws" is definitely
in the running for your most bone-headed statement yet.

How is it that these new proposed voting laws are going to make it
harder for minorities to vote?

For starters, election day is on a Tuesday. Always. In American culture,
that's a work day. Changing access to mail-in voting, voting hours, number of polling locations, location of polling locations, and early voting can definitely affect people who have to work that day.

He is also milking the RNC to pay his many legal bills to thwart investigations into possible shady dealings of him and his businesses

Who is that hurting? I have not heard any complaints about this issue.

A lot of the RNC donors are complaining. They donated that money to help
elect Republicans, not to pay a former president's legal bills. I'm sure that Republican candidates who could use that money to aid their campaigns are
also upset about it, as is anyone who wishes to see these candidates win.

Jeff.

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Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your opinion?

Biden's covid vaccine mandate goes against the 1st amendment because religious exemptions are at the mercy of employers.

Why are they at the mercy of employers. Either you belong to a
recognized religion with legitimate objections to vaccinations or you
don't.

What does the gas
station manager know about my religious beliefs? Who is he to decide if there's logic to my request?

I don't see why a gas station manager is involved -- unless he is your employer.

Biden's request for prioritization of covid treatments for non-whites
goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

That is news to me. I could guess that Biden might have made an
initiative to step up vaccination / covid treatments to minority
communities who have been under served. In any case, I do not see how
this is against the 5th amendment which is where the projections against self-incrimination are found.

Biden violates the 13th amendment by warmly welcoming millions of undocumented migrants into the country. They get raped and robbed on
the way here, and once they arrive, they're vulnerable to servitude, whether it's forced labor or forced prostitution. The man is enabling slavery in the USA.

I've heard that statement before, and it is a reach on all counts.

(The 12th amendment, well, I made a mistake I meant 13th.)

Trump is still hurting us. He has the Republican party under his thumb
to the point of having them change voting laws in any state that they control, and doing so in a way to make it harder for minority voters to vote.

The Republican party is not capable of changing voting laws. Despite
his billionaire status, Trump's not bankrolling anyone's campaign(s)
(that I know of.) Is he?

The Republican parties are changing the voting laws in many if not all
of the toss up states, e.g. Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, etc. They are limiting the hours of voting, the ability to vote by mail, the ability
to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state
(Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to
vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

How is it that these new proposed voting laws are going to make it
harder for minorities to vote?

Because most of the restrictive changes are focused on the minority
communities and how they voted in the past.

He is also milking the RNC to pay his many legal bills to thwart investigations into possible shady dealings of him and his businesses.

Who is that hurting? I have not heard any complaints about this issue.

It is quite strange that a national committee should be paying legal
bills for a person in their private difficulties.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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On 11 Jan 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

Biden's request for prioritization of covid treatments for non-whites goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

That is news to me. I could guess that Biden might have made an initiative to step up vaccination / covid treatments to minority communities who have been under served. In any case, I do not see how this is against the 5th amendment which is where the projections against self-incrimination are found.

Apparently the treatment in question is the monoclonal antibody treatment for those with severe cases of COVID. Biden's plan prioritizes these treatments
for high-risk groups, and one of those groups is black people because COVID
has been shown to be disproportionately dangerous to them.

Leave it to Aaron to make a race war out of it.

Jeff.

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What does the gas
station manager know about my religious beliefs? Who is he to decide there's logic to my request?

I don't see why a gas station manager is involved -- unless he is your employer.

Individual employers are the judges on whether or not they approve of
someone's request for medical exemption for the vaccine. Suppose I have an employee who identifies as 'Islamic.' That employee tells me "I'm Islamic and
I want a religious exemption from vaccinating." So then me, the gas station manager, I'm gonna go to the library and get a book on Islam and try to figure out if I'm being BS'd by my employee. Does that sound efficient?

Biden's request for prioritization of covid treatments for non-whites goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

That is news to me. I could guess that Biden might have made an initiative to step up vaccination / covid treatments to minority communities who have been under served. In any case, I do not see how this is against the 5th amendment which is where the projections against self-incrimination are found.

The White House's guidance is for the medical community to prioritize non-whites for covid treatments (not vaccines but treatments.)

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-guidance-prioritizes-race administering-covid-drugs

Of course that's just guidance, for now, but NY has already mandated that hospitals participate in racism:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-race-based-covid-treatment-white-hispanic inequity-monoclonal-antibodies-antiviral-pfizer-omicron-11641573991

The Republican parties are changing the voting laws in many if not all
of the toss up states, e.g. Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, etc. They are limiting the hours of voting, the ability to vote by mail, the ability
to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state (Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

Why do you want to blame it on the whole party though? You know as well as I
do that a political party has no authority to do anything more than to
nominate candidates. The party can't vote, can't pass laws, etc.

Unless things work differently in your region than from mine. Here, all the
GOP does is nominate people; they don't control election laws. We (in NY) have a Board of Elections for each county, and we can contact our local Board of Elections if/when we have a concern. But they play no role in passing laws regarding voting (or anything else for that matter.)

Is it different in your state?

I'll assume you're talking about elected Republican officials making these changes (I think you'll correct me if I'm wrong.)

limiting the hours of voting, the ability to vote by mail, the ability
to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state (Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

These sound like significant annoyances. But they're not happening in my town. So how do I bring myself to care? If it happens here, I'll argue against
some of it, but if it happens in Michigan, there's nothing I can do about it.

I get it that national elections affect me, but I don't play a role in what they do in Michigan. If I had the power to change what people do in other states, I'd get all worked up about the governor of California's free all the violent criminals initiative.

How is it that these new proposed voting laws are going to make it harder for minorities to vote?

Because most of the restrictive changes are focused on the minority communities and how they voted in the past.

That sounds like a very debatable topic. White people statistically get off work at 5PM, while blacks are more likely to have to work until 8PM? That's nonsense. Black people are too lazy to vote in person if the line is too long, but white people are not? All these arguments sound racist.

Who is that hurting? I have not heard any complaints about this issue

It is quite strange that a national committee should be paying legal
bills for a person in their private difficulties.

I'd be somewhat annoyed if I were a donor to the RNC, but it still wouldn't stop me from voting Republican. You need to be an RNC-donor in order to feel betrayed by it.

As a liberal/Democrat-supporter, you should be glad that the RNC is wasting money. It sounds like it can be beneficial for your cause.

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Hello Dale,

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the
president.

Just what do you mean by that statement? How did he do that in your
opinion?

Biden's covid vaccine mandate goes against the 1st amendment because
religious exemptions are at the mercy of employers.

Why are they at the mercy of employers. Either you belong to a
recognized religion with legitimate objections to vaccinations or you don't.

There is no federal mandate. An individual has several choices.
*He/she can get vaccinated
*He/she can get tested weekly
*He/she can get a medical exemption
*He/she can get an exemption on religious/philosophical grounds

Bottom line - nobody can be forced get the vaccine, or booster.

--Lee

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Biden's covid vaccine mandate goes against the 1st amendment because religious exemptions are at the mercy of employers.

Why are they at the mercy of employers. Either you belong to a
recognized religion with legitimate objections to vaccinations or you
don't.

Do non-government employers have to take legitimate religious objections
into account when making up their rules that are based only on government suggestion? Since it is not really a mandate, I wonder.

to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state
(Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to
vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

Well... if you know your history, that law doesn't seem so out of place.
It has been illegal to have other things around voting places (i.e. liquor) because you could use it to sway or buy votes. Would you be comfortable
with Trump supporters showing up at long Georgia voting lines with food, beverages, and seating?

It is quite strange that a national committee should be paying legal
bills for a person in their private difficulties.

It is also quite strange for a political candidate to demand, and receive, control over the purse strings of her party during a primary season where
she is not her party's only candidate, but we all know that can happen, too.


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On 01-11-22 10:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: US amendments <=-

I don't see why a gas station manager is involved -- unless he is your employer.

Individual employers are the judges on whether or not they approve of someone's request for medical exemption for the vaccine. Suppose I
have an employee who identifies as 'Islamic.' That employee tells me
"I'm Islamic and I want a religious exemption from vaccinating." So
then me, the gas station manager, I'm gonna go to the library and get a book on Islam and try to figure out if I'm being BS'd by my employee.

There are two things that I see that could easily be done by that gas
station employer. First, he could check the CDC guidelines, etc., to
see if Islam has a blanket exemption (I doubt it). And he could also
tell the employee to get a certified note from his Iman at the Mosque.

Does that sound efficient?

What you stated does not sound efficient, but there are efficient ways
to solve the problem. I might also mention that if you are the owner of
the gas station, and not just the manager, then you would not have 100 employees which is where the mandate kicks in.

Biden's request for prioritization of covid
treatments for non-whites
goes against the 5th amendment; there's no equity for all in that initiative.

That is news to me. I could guess that Biden might have made an initiative to step up vaccination / covid treatments to minority communities who have been under served. In any case, I do not see how this is against the 5th amendment which is where the projections against self-incrimination are found.

The White House's guidance is for the medical community to prioritize non-whites for covid treatments (not vaccines but treatments.)

I see from Jeff that the guidance is for priority to high risk
individuals -- which does include blacks as well as elderly whites and
others.

The Republican parties are changing the voting laws in many if not all
of the toss up states, e.g. Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, etc. They are limiting the hours of voting, the ability to vote by mail, the ability
to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state (Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

Why do you want to blame it on the whole party though? You know as
well as I do that a political party has no authority to do anything
more than to nominate candidates. The party can't vote, can't pass
laws, etc.

The blame lies with the elected Republican officials in the
governership, and the legislator.

Unless things work differently in your region than from mine. Here,
all the GOP does is nominate people; they don't control election laws.
We (in NY) have a Board of Elections for each county, and we can
contact our local Board of Elections if/when we have a concern. But
they play no role in passing laws regarding voting (or anything else
for that matter.)

One of the things that those states with Republican control is going to
do is to replace the current bi-partison, independent members of the
Board of Elections with members of their choosing. In some cases the
laws being considered and passed also give the Republican leaders to
throw out the electors and replace them with electors of their own
choosing. You should be concerned since that gives them the right to
ignore the popular vote in their state and install their own choice.

Is it different in your state?

The Parties do nominate the candidates -- that is not what I am talking
about. I am talking about the changes being made by the Republican
officials.

I'll assume you're talking about elected Republican officials making
these changes (I think you'll correct me if I'm wrong.)

By George, I think you've got it. That is exactly what I am talking
about.

limiting the hours of voting, the ability to vote by mail, the ability
to have ready access to a voting drop-off box, and more. One state (Georgia I believe) recognized that the long lines and waiting times to vote were a problem. Then they passed a law making it a crime for
anyone to bring them food or drink or a chair to rest in.

These sound like significant annoyances. But they're not happening in
my town. So how do I bring myself to care? If it happens here, I'll
argue against some of it, but if it happens in Michigan, there's
nothing I can do about it.

They are more than significant annoyances. They are the first of many
steps to destroy democracy (small d) -- to shape in the image wanted by
Trump of an autocracy.

That sounds like a very debatable topic. White people statistically
get off work at 5PM, while blacks are more likely to have to work until 8PM? That's nonsense. Black people are too lazy to vote in person if
the line is too long, but white people are not? All these arguments
sound racist.

Many black people cannot afford to take off work if the polling hours
are restricted and they have no other alternative. If the only polling
place is 20 miles from where they live and they do not have a car they
are at a disadvantage. The beat goes on.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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On 01-11-22 21:07, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about US amendments <=-

There is no federal mandate. An individual has several choices.
*He/she can get vaccinated
*He/she can get tested weekly
*He/she can get a medical exemption
*He/she can get an exemption on religious/philosophical grounds

That is exactly what the mandates say.

Bottom line - nobody can be forced get the vaccine, or booster.

True -- if they have a legitimate reason for not getting the vaccine.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Dale,

There is no federal mandate. An individual has several choices.
*He/she can get vaccinated
*He/she can get tested weekly
*He/she can get a medical exemption
*He/she can get an exemption on religious/philosophical grounds

That is exactly what the mandates say.

A mandate means compelled.
Nobody is being compelled to get vaccinated.

Bottom line - nobody can be forced get the vaccine, or booster.

True -- if they have a legitimate reason for not getting the vaccine.

Nobody needs a reason or to give a reason.

--Lee

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then me, the gas station manager, I'm gonna go to the library and get book on Islam and try to figure out if I'm being BS'd by my employee.

There are two things that I see that could easily be done by that gas station employer. First, he could check the CDC guidelines, etc., to

There are no CDC guidelines for this readily available. Even if there were, it would be ridiculous for the CDC to claim to understand everyone's religious beliefs. Get a note from your priest? Well, what if you're a practicing Catholic but you don't belong to any local church? The insanity of all this can't be ignored for much longer.

What you stated does not sound efficient, but there are efficient ways
to solve the problem. I might also mention that if you are the owner of the gas station, and not just the manager, then you would not have 100 employees which is where the mandate kicks in.

That sounds like a happy ending, but the gas station is owned by a corporation with stores all over the east coast, with thousands of employees. It's not
like Steve's Diner.

I see from Jeff that the guidance is for priority to high risk
individuals -- which does include blacks as well as elderly whites and others.

When you put all those groups together it doesn't sound so bad, but it really is awful though. It's a biological fact that blacks are at higher risk of sickle cell anemia than white people, but it's an opinion that blacks are at higher risk of contracting covid than whites. Whites have more money to buy masks? Whites have grocery stores with wider isles to allow for better social distancing? That's all a pile of racist trash that doesn't help black people but hurts everyone.

The blame lies with the elected Republican officials in the
governership, and the legislator.

I'm living in a state where the governor sucks too. The whole legislative body in this state, they all suck. I like to help others when I can, but I need my state fixed first before I worry about others.

One of the things that those states with Republican control is going to
do is to replace the current bi-partison, independent members of the
Board of Elections with members of their choosing. In some cases the
laws being considered and passed also give the Republican leaders to
throw out the electors and replace them with electors of their own choosing. You should be concerned since that gives them the right to ignore the popular vote in their state and install their own choice.

Are they still trying to overturn the 2020 election? It's not a very interesting story to me. I'll admit that I only read the news with headlines that sound interesting. I see why it's so important to have a good president, but all I can do is vote.

argue against some of it, but if it happens in Michigan, there's nothing I can do about it.

They are more than significant annoyances. They are the first of many steps to destroy democracy (small d) -- to shape in the image wanted by Trump of an autocracy.

That sounds like a distraction; like the media wants you to be scared that Trump's coming back. Every state does what it wants with voting. NYC is now allowing green card holders to vote. Most green card holders in NYC are
white. Why aren't you upset about that?

Many black people cannot afford to take off work if the polling hours
are restricted and they have no other alternative. If the only polling place is 20 miles from where they live and they do not have a car they
are at a disadvantage. The beat goes on.

It's racist to cry for black people. We're all humans. Are black people
allowed to be late for work because they live further away from the factory than their white co-workers?

You KNOW that it's BS to say "the black people live 20 miles away...."

It's like saying "black people can't afford to live in-town close by the polling place because that's not where the public housing apartments are located."

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On 01-12-22 11:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: US amendments <=-

There are no CDC guidelines for this readily available. Even if there were, it would be ridiculous for the CDC to claim to understand
everyone's religious beliefs. Get a note from your priest? Well, what
if you're a practicing Catholic but you don't belong to any local
church? The insanity of all this can't be ignored for much longer.

So far as I know, the Catholic church does not have any objections to
vaccines or other medicines. There are religions that do. I suspect
that might include Christian Scientists and Jehova witnesses -- but I
don't really know. In any case, I believe that religious objections are
rare.

What you stated does not sound efficient, but there are efficient ways
to solve the problem. I might also mention that if you are the owner of the gas station, and not just the manager, then you would not have 100 employees which is where the mandate kicks in.

That sounds like a happy ending, but the gas station is owned by a corporation with stores all over the east coast, with thousands of employees. It's not like Steve's Diner.

Then it is up to corporate management to institute policy guidelines on
how to respond to questions about the vaccine mandates. The local
manager gets that guidance and follows it to the best of her ability.

When you put all those groups together it doesn't sound so bad, but it really is awful though. It's a biological fact that blacks are at
higher risk of sickle cell anemia than white people, but it's an
opinion that blacks are at higher risk of contracting covid than
whites.

It is not an opinion. It is a factual conclusion based on the data.

Are they still trying to overturn the 2020 election? It's not a very interesting story to me. I'll admit that I only read the news with headlines that sound interesting. I see why it's so important to have a good president, but all I can do is vote.

I doubt that they expect to overturn the 2020 election, but what they
are doing is based on the Big Lie that that election was stolen.

That sounds like a distraction; like the media wants you to be scared
that Trump's coming back. Every state does what it wants with voting.
NYC is now allowing green card holders to vote. Most green card holders
in NYC are white. Why aren't you upset about that?

NYC is only allowing green card holders to vote on local elections --
which should not have any impact nationally. What the many Republican controlled states are doing would subvert the vote of the people in
elections that have national impact, i.e. President and Congress.

Dale Shipp
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opinion that blacks are at higher risk of contracting covid than whites.

It is not an opinion. It is a factual conclusion based on the data.

The CDC says they based their racist information on these factors:

"Race and ethnicity are risk markers for other underlying conditions that affect health, including socioeconomic status, access to health care, and exposure to the virus related to occupation, e.g., frontline, essential, and critical infrastructure workers."

Those factors are not factual.

Where is the racist hospital that refuses to treat black covid patients?
Why are blacks considered "low socioeconomic status?" That's very racist!
That means they are "uneducated, broke, and have lousy jobs."
Why are blacks more likely to have lousy jobs?

Does any of that stuff sound like something the CDC should be looking into?

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