Right-Wing Lie of the Day 0008

"10,000 - 15,000 American citizens abandoned to terrorists in Afghanistan.
6000 - pulled from the country. Equals - ‘less than 100’" -- Derrick Van Orden

Counting the number of American citizens in Afghanistan is not as straightforward as it might seem. Since registering at an embassy is not required, some American citizens in Afghanistan may not be known the State Department. Additionally, many US citizens in Afghanistan have dual citizenship. Third, not every US citizen in Afghanistan wanted to leave, particularly those in the dual citizenship category.

Basically, the discrepancy is due to the difference between the number of US citizens in Afghanistan and the number of US citizens in Afghanistan who
wanted to leave.

The US Secretary of State and Defense Secretary estimated that there were as many as 15,000 US citizens in the country that would require evacuation. This estimate was later lowered to 6,000 based on the number of people who
actually requested to leave.

As evacuations proceeded, the number of American citizens needing evacuation dwindled to 100, as reported by the Secretary of State to Congress, or
100-200, as reported by other news outlets. Additionally, as the conditions
in Afghanistan worsened, the numbers changed as some of those who had
initially decided to remain in Afghanistan changed their minds.

On December 14, 2021, the State Department reported that there were about a dozen US citizens awaiting evacuation.

More info: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/04/derrick-van-orden/wisconsin-r epublican-candidate-mostly-wrong-number/

Jeff.

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On 04 Jan 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

Right-Wing Lie of the Day 0008
"10,000 - 15,000 American citizens abandoned to terrorists in
Afghanistan. 6000 - pulled from the country. Equals - ‘less than
100’" -- Derrick Van Orden

Also, the full tweet from Van Orden was:
"When officers do enlisted math.

10,000 - 15,000 American citizens abandoned to terrorists in Afghanistan.

6000 - pulled from the country.

Equals - “less than 100”

@POTUS, @SecDef, @StateDept, @JakeSullivan46, @thejointstaff

Are all incompetent."

Not only was Van Orden misinterpreting the numbers, but this tweet was also
an insult to enlisted servicemen/women everywhere. As a retired Navy Seal, he should know better than this. He is a pompous disgrace to our military.

Jeff.
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citizenship. Third, not every US citizen in Afghanistan wanted to leave, particularly those in the dual citizenship category.

We were talking about green card holders.

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Basically, the discrepancy is due to the difference between the number of US citizens in Afghanistan and the number of US citizens in Afghanistan who wanted to leave.

So, wait, are you trying to tell us all that CNN (who reported on people
not wanting to be left behind being left behind), or MSNBC (who, early on, reported the same), or Canadian news outlets (who reported same) or several other news agencies, that are *not* FOX or Newsmax or OAN, but who also reported same, are all lying Right-Wing news sources?

If that is the case, you are sure without many places to find "real" news.

Next thing we know, you will be trying to tell us that the Village Voice,
which published a pre-COVID hit-piece about Fauci, and the Huffington Post, which published a hit-piece about Hillary Clinton before the 2016 election,
are also hard-core, lying, Right-Wing news sources.

Guess you and Al need to get together and form a fair and true news agency because there must be no places left for good, true, left-leaning news.


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On 05 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Basically, the discrepancy is due to the difference between the number o citizens in Afghanistan and the number of US citizens in Afghanistan who wanted to leave.

So, wait, are you trying to tell us all that CNN (who reported on people not wanting to be left behind being left behind), or MSNBC (who, early
on, reported the same), or Canadian news outlets (who reported same) or several other news agencies, that are *not* FOX or Newsmax or OAN, but
who also reported same, are all lying Right-Wing news sources?

CNN's reporting matches the timeline I laid out. As of October 22, 2021, CNN was reporting that "close to 200" Americans were still waiting to be
evacuated, while the State Department's estimate was "closer to 100."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/politics/us-citizens-afghanistan-withdrawal-bide n-admin/index.html

So I'm saying that your recollection of what CNN was saying is faulty.

If that is the case, you are sure without many places to find "real"
news.

Or maybe you're only remembering the right-wing propaganda.

Next thing we know, you will be trying to tell us that the Village Voice, which published a pre-COVID hit-piece about Fauci, and the Huffington Post, which published a hit-piece about Hillary Clinton before the 2016 election, are also hard-core, lying, Right-Wing news sources.

Nope, and irrelevant to this Right-Wing Lie.

Guess you and Al need to get together and form a fair and true news
agency because there must be no places left for good, true, left-leaning news.

Nope, you're just buying into the right-wing propaganda.

Jeff.

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On 05 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

citizenship. Third, not every US citizen in Afghanistan wanted to lea particularly those in the dual citizenship category.

We were talking about green card holders.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but this post was about the lie
that thousands of Americans were left behind in Afghanistan. Now it's green card holders? What?

Jeff.

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On 05 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Basically, the discrepancy is due to the difference between the number o citizens in Afghanistan and the number of US citizens in Afghanistan who wanted to leave.

So, wait, are you trying to tell us all that CNN (who reported on people not wanting to be left behind being left behind), or MSNBC (who, early
on, reported the same), or Canadian news outlets (who reported same) or several other news agencies, that are *not* FOX or Newsmax or OAN, but
who also reported same, are all lying Right-Wing news sources?

I'm not trying to tell youo that, because that isn't true. (See previous post)

Perhaps you are confusing MSNBC, CNN, etc., expressing criticism of the Afghanistan evacuation on logistical and intelligence grounds with the Right-Wing lie that 6000 Americans were left in Afghanistan against their
will (and are presumably still there today)?

Jeff.

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citizenship. Third, not every US citizen in Afghanistan wanted t particularly those in the dual citizenship category.

We were talking about green card holders.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but this post was about the lie that thousands of Americans were left behind in Afghanistan. Now it's green card holders? What?

You were talking about "American citizens left behind," but they aren't actually citizens; they're permanent residents/green card holders. (At least that's what Sean Hannity says.)
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On 06 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

citizenship. Third, not every US citizen in Afghanistan wan particularly those in the dual citizenship category.

We were talking about green card holders.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but this post was about the that thousands of Americans were left behind in Afghanistan. Now it's green card holders? What?

You were talking about "American citizens left behind," but they aren't actually citizens; they're permanent residents/green card holders. (At least that's what Sean Hannity says.)

What are American green card holders and permanent residents doing in Afghanistan, if they're not part of the military. The military was evacuated. I'm not sure what obligations the US had toward US green card holders and permanent residents.

Jeff.
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What are American green card holders and permanent residents doing in Afghanistan, if they're not part of the military. The military was evacuated. I'm not sure what obligations the US had toward US green card holders and permanent residents.

American green card holders and permanent residents are one and the same.

Many of them worked as support staff at Bagram air base. Support staff don't live on military bases; they commute.

I'm not sure what their obligation is to them either, but these people were essential to our fight against the Taliban. Somebody has got to clean the bathrooms, stock the toilet paper, cook the food, etc, while the military conducts combat.

Permanent residents should expect more from the country that they call home. They shouldn't be left to die just because it allocates more money
for free babysitting.

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On 07 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

What are American green card holders and permanent residents doing in Afghanistan, if they're not part of the military. The military was evacuated. I'm not sure what obligations the US had toward US green c holders and permanent residents.

American green card holders and permanent residents are one and the same.

And you have evidence that they were not evacuated.

Permanent residents should expect more from the country that they call home. They shouldn't be left to die just because it allocates more money for free babysitting.

Allocation of funds doesn't work that way, but you knew that. Also, perhaps you'd like to explain whay the Trump administration deported people who had honorably served this country? Or why the Trump administration deported undocumented spouses of servicemenbers while those servicemembers were
serving?

Jeff.

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On 07 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Allocation of funds doesn't work that way, but you knew that. Also, perhaps you'd like to explain whay the Trump administration deported people who had honorably served this country? Or why the Trump administration deported undocumented spouses of servicemenbers while those servicemembers were serving?

We were talking about Biden's failures; not Trump's. *but you knew that*

That can be expanded to the general treatment of non-US-citizens. But you
knew that. Do you support Trump's policies while decrying Biden's? You don't even have any evidence that US permanent residents were left behind. If they were working with the US military and/or US contractors working for the US military, then they should have been evacuated with the military. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

I can't stand your attitude anymore. The other liberal guys are total gentlemen but you just act like you know everything and you seem to take pride in belittling others. I've lost patience with you and I've lost my respect for you.

I'm not belittling you. But ignorance in the face of an abundance of facts is not a good position to choose. That you choose to do so is on you.

Furthermore, I seriously doubt that you had any respect for me, or other liberals, in the first place. You just don't like to be proven wrong.

Please disregard all messages that you see posted by me.

I will not disregard blatant lies and propaganda.

Jeff.
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home. They shouldn't be left to die just because it allocates more mo for free babysitting.

Allocation of funds doesn't work that way, but you knew that. Also, perhaps you'd like to explain whay the Trump administration deported people who had honorably served this country? Or why the Trump administration deported undocumented spouses of servicemenbers while
those servicemembers were serving?

We were talking about Biden's failures; not Trump's. *but you knew that*

I can't stand your attitude anymore. The other liberal guys are total
gentlemen but you just act like you know everything and you seem to take pride in belittling others. I've lost patience with you and I've lost my respect for you.

Please disregard all messages that you see posted by me.

Thank you!

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