• Russia wont rule out sending troops to Cuba, Venezuela

    From Ghil Zvidgzul@2:5030/1081.117 to All on Friday, January 14, 2022 23:06:26
    Russia wont rule out sending troops to Cuba, Venezuela as Ukraine tensions grow

    https://nypost.com/2022/01/13/russia-wont-rule-out-sending-troops-to-cuba-venezuela/

    https://tinyurl.com/2p873e94

    A top Russian diplomat declined to rule out the possibility of the Kremlin deploying troops to Cuba and Venezuela amid ongoing tensions with the US over Ukraine.

    Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told Russias RTVI TV Thursday that Moscows next steps all depends on the action by our US counterparts and noted that Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that Moscow could take military-technical measures against what it deems provocation by Washington.

    Ryabkovs warning followed negotiations between Russia and the US in Geneva Monday, which preceded talks between Russian and NATO officials in Vienna Wednesday over Moscows demands that the Atlantic alliance halt its expansion and commit to barring Ukraine from ever joining.

    At the White House Thursday, national security adviser Jake Sullivan dismissed Ryabkovs remarks, saying: Im not gonna respond to bluster in the public commentary that wasnt raised in discussions at the strategic stability dialogue. If Russia were to move in that direction, we would deal with it decisively.

    The discussions did little to narrow the gap between East and West, with US Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman calling Russias demands non-starters.

    Ryabkov claimed that the US and NATOs stance indicated a dead end of difference of approaches, and added that Russia saw no reason to restart similar talks in the coming days.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov also labeled the talks unsuccessful, but did say there were some positive elements and nuances that took place.

    The talks were initiated to receive specific answers to concrete principal issues that were raised, and disagreements remained on those principal issues, which is bad, Peskov told reporters, warning that US-Russia relations could suffer a complete break if Congress moves forward with proposed sanctions targeting Putin and other important Russian leaders.

    Approximately 100,000 Russian troops have massed along the countrys western border over the past several months, leaving many fearing an incursion similar to when Moscow annexed Crimea eight years ago.

    On Thursday, the Senate rejected a sanctions bill put forward by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), which would have implemented punishments within 15 days of enactment regardless of whether Moscow invades Ukraine.

    The Cruz bill had the endorsement of Ukraines government, but not the Biden administration.

    A State Department spokesperson told The Post Wednesday that Cruzs proposal will undermine our efforts to deter Russia and remove leverage the United States and our allies and partners possess in this moment all to score political points at home. And it would come at a moment where we need to be closely united with our European partners, including Germany. It makes no sense.

    A Democratic sanctions bill, sponsored by Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Robert Menendez (D-NJ), would impose sanctions similar to those put forward by Cruz including actions against the Nord Stream 2 pipeline but predicates them on a Russian invasion.

    This legislation makes it absolutely clear that the US Senate will not stand idly by as the Kremlin threatens a re-invasion of Ukraine, Menendez said in a statement, adding that the most effective sanction on Russia is a strong and unified Ukraine.

    Peskov slammed the sanction proposals as an attempt to pressure Russia.

    It concerns sanctions, which taking into account the inevitable adequate response, effectively amount to an initiative to rupture relations, he said.

    Russia has repeatedly denied any plans to invade its neighbor, with Ryabkov saying this week: There is no reason to fear some kind of escalatory scenario.

    Its hardly possible for NATO to dictate to us where we should move our armed forces on the Russian territory, Peskov said Thursday, adding that Moscow was willing to continue negotiations so long as they produced results.
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GHIL ZVIDGZUL on Saturday, January 15, 2022 09:53:00
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    A top Russian diplomat declined to rule out the possibility of the Kremlin dep
    ying troops to Cuba and Venezuela amid ongoing tensions with the US over Ukrai
    .

    I know they are saying that to provoke the current US administration, but I wonder how Cuba and Venezuela feel about that idea?


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, January 15, 2022 13:05:20
    On 15 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    A top Russian diplomat declined to rule out the possibility of the Kreml dep
    ying troops to Cuba and Venezuela amid ongoing tensions with the US over Ukrai
    .
    I know they are saying that to provoke the current US administration,
    but I wonder how Cuba and Venezuela feel about that idea?

    If history is any guide, Russia will send troops to bolster the existing governments, while the US will send troops to train and equip rebel groups,
    and we'll let them fight it out instead of fighting each other directly. I would think that Venezuela and Cuba should be quite concerned.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, January 16, 2022 11:37:00
    I know they are saying that to provoke the current US administration, but I wonder how Cuba and Venezuela feel about that idea?

    If history is any guide, Russia will send troops to bolster the existing governments, while the US will send troops to train and equip rebel groups, and we'll let them fight it out instead of fighting each other directly. I would think that Venezuela and Cuba should be quite concerned.

    To start with, while Cuba used to be more closely aligned politically with the USSR, I don't think either country is right now. I would expect them to be concerned before it even got to the point of a proxy war.

    I do agree, they should be quite concerned either way.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, January 16, 2022 14:14:21
    On 16 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I know they are saying that to provoke the current US administratio but I wonder how Cuba and Venezuela feel about that idea?
    If history is any guide, Russia will send troops to bolster the existing governments, while the US will send troops to train and equip rebel grou and we'll let them fight it out instead of fighting each other directly. would think that Venezuela and Cuba should be quite concerned.
    To start with, while Cuba used to be more closely aligned politically
    with the USSR, I don't think either country is right now. I would
    expect them to be concerned before it even got to the point of a proxy war.

    True, but Cuba is still sanctioned by the US, which hurts them dearly. They
    may see this as a way to alter the balance of power or perhaps gain a new trading ally/sponsor.

    Jeff.
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