That changed this week, as 11 members of the right-wing Oath Keepers including its leader Stewart Rhodes were charged with seditious conspiracy. As the DOJ continues moving from the little fish to the
bigger ones, maybe we'll finally see some accountability for the insurrection.
That changed this week, as 11 members of the right-wing Oath Keepers including its leader Stewart Rhodes were charged with seditious conspiracy. As the DOJ continues moving from the little fish to the bigger ones, maybe we'll finally see some accountability for the insurrection.Sounds good to me! Someone's got to pay for that window they broke!
to have Trump remain president. It was a direct assault on democracy and our Constitution.
Why do you wish to downplay the insurrection? Do you support it? Does it
Why do you wish to downplay the insurrection? Do you support it? Does it
You're overplaying it.
There's no such thing as "an assault on democracy."
That's like saying something is "an assault on monarchy." You're confusing "assault" with "insult."
to have Trump remain president. It was a direct assault on democracy our Constitution.You're overplaying it. There's no such thing as "an assault on
Why do you wish to downplay the insurrection? Do you support it? Does
democracy." That's like saying something is "an assault on monarchy." You're confusing "assault" with "insult."
"If our political system had feelings, it would have felt insulted by the January 6 riot."
It's hard to catch yourself making no sense when you're just parroting. Check the definitions of assault, insult, and democracy.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
It's hard to catch yourself making no sense when you're just parroting. Check the definitions of assault, insult, and democracy.
It's hard to catch yourself making no sense when you're just parrotin Check the definitions of assault, insult, and democracy.How about asking "How can you have an insurrection without any insurrectionists?" No one's been charged with insurrection.
You're overplaying it.
You are down playing it. The current assault on democracy is not hard to see.
There's news of fraudulent electors from the gop. The gop doesn't seem
to have any regard for peoples votes at all, let alone democracy.
You are down playing it. The current assault on democracy is not hard to
see.
When you say current, do you mean 11 months ago?
There's news of fraudulent electors from the gop. The gop doesn't seem
to have any regard for peoples votes at all, let alone democracy.
Nobody cared about "fraudulent electors" days after the election. The mama parrots who sing about this stuff, they said Trump was a liar, and that there was no voter fraud, and that our voting system is perfectly fine,
but now that Biden is making lefites resent the party, the mama parrots have changed their tune, as we get closer to election day.
When you say current, do you mean 11 months ago?You're overplaying it.You are down playing it. The current assault on democracy is not hard see.
There's news of fraudulent electors from the gop. The gop doesn't see to have any regard for peoples votes at all, let alone democracy.Nobody cared about "fraudulent electors" days after the election. The
mama parrots who sing about this stuff, they said Trump was a liar, and that there was no voter fraud, and that our voting system is perfectly fine, but now that Biden is making lefites resent the party, the mama parrots have changed their tune, as we get closer to election day.
I don't think that Jeff is quite this extreme but, if this reply were
to Alan, you must understand that there is an ongoing assault on
democracy as long as Republican still exist.
"If our political system had feelings, it would have felt insulted by th January 6 riot."It probably would have. It would likely have been insulted by many of
the "protests" during the Summer of 2020.
You're overplaying it. There's no such thing as "an assault on democracy." That's like saying something is "an assault on monarchy." You're confusing "assault" with "insult."
"If our political system had feelings, it would have felt insulted by the January 6 riot."
Fraudulent electors sent documents to the National Archives claiming to be their states' duly appointed electors, when in fact they were not. Their intent was to make it look like the states had not been able to agree on slates of electors, making it impossible to count the electoral votes on 1/6. In such a case, the state legislatures may have been able to decide the election, overriding the votes of the people. It was an attempted coup, and there are indications that Trump was at the very least aware of what was going on.
I don't think that Jeff is quite this extreme but, if this reply were
to Alan, you must understand that there is an ongoing assault on democracy as long as Republican still exist.
"If our political system had feelings, it would have felt insulted by the
January 6 riot."
It probably would have. It would likely have been insulted by many of the "protests" during the Summer of 2020.
Fraudulent electors sent documents to the National Archives claiming to their states' duly appointed electors, when in fact they were not. Their intent was to make it look like the states had not been able to agree on slates of electors, making it impossible to count the electoral votes on In such a case, the state legislatures may have been able to decide the election, overriding the votes of the people. It was an attempted coup, there are indications that Trump was at the very least aware of what was going on.How does that work? Most states have their electors already in place before the election.
How would the state legislatures justified their
decisions?
I think some of the participants were stupid, and you and Alan are giving them too much credit. Or do you think there were some state governments that were involved? I have not heard any such claim.
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How about asking "How can you have an insurrection without any insurrectionists?" No one's been charged with insurrection.
It's hard to catch yourself making no sense when you're just parrotin Check the definitions of assault, insult, and democracy.
How about asking "How can you have an insurrection without any insurrectionists?" No one's been charged with insurrection.
It's a distraction for the real insurrection that's occuring with the Democrat/media/Soros partnership.It's hard to catch yourself making no sense when you're just par Check the definitions of assault, insult, and democracy.How about asking "How can you have an insurrection without any insurrectionists?" No one's been charged with insurrection.
I don't think that Jeff is quite this extreme but, if this reply were
to Alan, you must understand that there is an ongoing assault on democracy as long as Republican still exist.
Neither Alan nor I (who may or may not be the same person) were referring to the existence of Republicans as an assault on democracy. We were specifically referring to actions by Republicans to remove the ability of the people to select their own president.
It probably would have. It would likely have been insulted by many of the "protests" during the Summer of 2020.
There is a clear difference between the protests of 2020 and the insurection o
Jan 6. The protests were largely about police brutality and injustice. Jan 6 w
about Donald Trump and his lies.
But you knew that, didn't you?
"If our political system had feelings, it would have felt insulted by tIt probably would have. It would likely have been insulted by many of the "protests" during the Summer of 2020.
January 6 riot."
In what way were the Summer 2020 protests an affront to democracy?
How does that work? Most states have their electors already in place before the election.
The federal government doesn't dictate how the states arrive at their slate of electors. There can, somehow, be intrastate disputes. The "safe harbor" deadline, defined as six days before the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December, is the day by which states' election results will be accepted by the federal government -- if there is no contested election in the state. This is part of a bizarre law from 1887. The fake electors were apparently trying to give the appearance of a contested election, in which case the federal government would not accept either slate of electors and send the decision of which was the legitimate one back to the states.
How would the state legislatures justified their
decisions?
Justified their decisions to whom? In most if not all of the cases in which falsified eletor documents were submitted to the National Archives, the legislatures were/are majority-Republican.
I think some of the participants were stupid, and you and Alan are giving
them too much credit. Or do you think there were some state governments that were involved? I have not heard any such claim.
The state governments were probably not involved. This was an attempt to go around the state governments, at least as far as certifying electors was concerned. It's much more likely that pressure for the fraudulent submissions came from the national level, specifically from allies and lawyers of Trump.
Sending the contested election results back to the states was a key part of Trump lawyer John Eastman's mome outlining his plan to keep Trump in office, as was convincing Mike Pence to ignore contested electoral votes.
Both Eastman and Giuliani spoke at Trump's rally on the morning of 1/6, seeking to convince the crowd that evidence of widespread voter fraud existed. "We know there was fraud. Traditional fraud that occurred. We know that dead people voted," said Eastman that morning, according to a complaint filed by a lawyers' group known as Lawyers Defending American Democracy that seeks to disbar and sanction Eastman.
I am 100% certain that, in Alan's case, the existence of Republicans is seen as an assault on democracy.I don't think that Jeff is quite this extreme but, if this reply we to Alan, you must understand that there is an ongoing assault on democracy as long as Republican still exist.Neither Alan nor I (who may or may not be the same person) were referrin the existence of Republicans as an assault on democracy. We were specifi referring to actions by Republicans to remove the ability of the people select their own president.
Jan 6. The protests were largely about police brutality and injustice. J wThere were protesters who were protesting because of those reasons. Then there were "protesters" who were looting, setting fires, and even killing people. Their reasons for being out and about on those evenings had NOTHING to do with police brutality and injustice. It had a lot more to do with opportunity and, in some cases, to intentionally cause trouble.
about Donald Trump and his lies.
But you knew that, didn't you?
Again, most states have their elector slates in place before the
election, and certainly before the point you speak of. If a state says "these are my electors" but then Aaron, Alan, or you try to pass
yourself off as one, aren't they going to know?
Sounds like whoever was trying this was grasping at straws, and I would consider any attempt to label them as a true threat dubious at best.
But this was likely an attempt to go around state governments, as you indicate below. You previously brought up the legislatures which is whyHow would the state legislatures justified theirJustified their decisions to whom? In most if not all of the cases in wh falsified eletor documents were submitted to the National Archives, the legislatures were/are majority-Republican.
decisions?
I asked. Which Republican lead states jumped on the bandwagon and tried to do this? Apparently none.
If the state has selected their electors, and someone is not one of them, ultimately how could this be successful if the states are not involved?I think some of the participants were stupid, and you and Alan are givingThe state governments were probably not involved. This was an attempt to around the state governments, at least as far as certifying electors was concerned. It's much more likely that pressure for the fraudulent submis came from the national level, specifically from allies and lawyers of Tr
them too much credit. Or do you think there were some state govern that were involved? I have not heard any such claim.
Sending the contested election results back to the states was a key part Trump lawyer John Eastman's mome outlining his plan to keep Trump in off as was convincing Mike Pence to ignore contested electoral votes.States that knew who their electors were.
Both Eastman and Giuliani spoke at Trump's rally on the morning of 1/6, seeking to convince the crowd that evidence of widespread voter fraud existed. "We know there was fraud. Traditional fraud that occurred. We k that dead people voted," said Eastman that morning, according to a compl filed by a lawyers' group known as Lawyers Defending American Democracy seeks to disbar and sanction Eastman.Good for them. Maybe they need to get some state AGs on board.
There were protesters who were protesting because of those reasons. Then there were "protesters" who were looting, setting fires, and even killing people. Their reasons for being out and about on those evenings had
NOTHING to do with police brutality and injustice. It had a lot more to do with opportunity and, in some cases, to intentionally cause trouble.
But you knew that, didn't you?
parrots who sing about this stuff, they said Trump was a liar, and that was no voter fraud, and that our voting system is perfectly fine,
Trump certainly is a liar and none of his claims that he continues to
make have be proven, because they are in fact lies.
You are down playing it. The current assault on democracy is not see.When you say current, do you mean 11 months ago?
That's pretty current, as election cycles go.
Nobody cared about "fraudulent electors" days after the election. The mama parrots who sing about this stuff, they said Trump was a liar, a that there was no voter fraud, and that our voting system is perfectl fine, but now that Biden is making lefites resent the party, the mama parrots have changed their tune, as we get closer to election day.
Trump was, and continues to be, a liar.
There was no widespread voter fraud.
That's like saying something is "an assault on monarchy." You're confusi "assault" with "insult."
Over the course of history, there have been plenty of assaults on monarchies. The February Revolution in Russia was meant to topple their monarchy, and did.
There is a clear difference between the protests of 2020 and the insurection of Jan 6. The protests were largely about police brutality
and injustice. Jan 6 was about Donald Trump and his lies.
But you knew that, didn't you?
Trump certainly is a liar and none of his claims that he continues to
make have be proven, because they are in fact lies.
Maybe, but Joe is the president now, and his lies are the ones that are affecting us all.
Trump might be to blame for last year's riot, but the Democrats are responsible for more than 574 riots that are not being investigated by congress,
Joe's main sponsor, George Soros, is using his money to elect district attorneys who refuse to prosecute crimes. We have to live with record-high crime, all because the media has the voters fooled.
There is a clear difference between the protests of 2020 and the
insurection of Jan 6. The protests were largely about police brutality
and injustice. Jan 6 was about Donald Trump and his lies.
But you knew that, didn't you?
Al, come on man! Don't use Jeff's horrible catchphrase! I'm trying to discourage him from using it (because it sounds terrible!)
The media says the protests of 2020 were about police brutality,
but the store owners say it's about millions of dollars worth of merchandise being stolen.
I believe the store owners.
Assaults on democracy typically happen after primaries?That's pretty current, as election cycles go.You are down playing it. The current assault on democracy i see.When you say current, do you mean 11 months ago?
That's not the argument: I'm arguing that Democrats were fine with our voting system when Trump lost, but 11 months later, "the system is so broken and needs to be fixed by Democrats."Nobody cared about "fraudulent electors" days after the election mama parrots who sing about this stuff, they said Trump was a li that there was no voter fraud, and that our voting system is per fine, but now that Biden is making lefites resent the party, the parrots have changed their tune, as we get closer to election daTrump was, and continues to be, a liar.
There was no widespread voter fraud.
But I still don't believe that you can use violence against a political philosophy. They used violence against security guards, and against a window for sure. Their violence was not capable of "defeatingThat's like saying something is "an assault on monarchy." You're co "assault" with "insult."Over the course of history, there have been plenty of assaults on monarchies. The February Revolution in Russia was meant to topple th monarchy, and did.
democracy." If they had blown up the building, and killed everyone in it (I hope that never happens) they still would not have "defeated democracy." It wouldn't really assault it either; we'd have a bunch of
new governor-sworn-in reps, but our political system wouldn't even
flinch. So an assault on security guards? Yes. An assault on
"democracy?" I say no.
There is a clear difference between the protests of 2020 and the insurection of Jan 6. The protests were largely about police brutalit and injustice. Jan 6 was about Donald Trump and his lies.Al, come on man! Don't use Jeff's horrible catchphrase! I'm trying to discourage him from using it (because it sounds terrible!)
But you knew that, didn't you?
The media says the protests of 2020 were about police brutality, but the store owners say it's about millions of dollars worth of merchandise
being stolen. I believe the store owners.
On 01-19-22 16:11, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Sedition <=-
Trump was, and continues to be, a liar.
There was no widespread voter fraud.
That's not the argument: I'm arguing that Democrats were fine with our voting system when Trump lost, but 11 months later, "the system is so broken and needs to be fixed by Democrats."
is notYou are down playing it. The current assault on democracy
see.
When you say current, do you mean 11 months ago?
That's pretty current, as election cycles go.
Assaults on democracy typically happen after primaries?
Trump was, and continues to be, a liar.
There was no widespread voter fraud.
That's not the argument:
I'm arguing that Democrats were fine with our voting system when Trump lost,
but 11 months later, "the system is so broken and needs to be fixed by Democrats."
Maybe, but Joe is the president now, and his lies are the ones that are affecting us all.
What lies are those?
The riots of 2020 are not a democrat or republican thing.
They were about police brutality and injustice that affects everyone.
The statement is true, the riots cost different folks lots of $$$. All
the same the riots of 2020 were caused by police brutality and injustice.
An assault need not be physical, Mr. Metaphor-Man.
An assault need not be physical, Mr. Metaphor-Man.Assault is a different crime. Assault is what that Republican cubscout master did to you back in jr high.
What lies are those?
"If you take the vaccine you won't get covid." <- Joe Biden
The riots of 2020 are not a democrat or republican thing.
They were about police brutality and injustice that affects everyone.
Liberals are not allowed to call them "rioters,"
and you can't stop police brutality by stealing millions of dollars worth of merchandise from people who are not the police.
The statement is true, the riots cost different folks lots of $$$. All
the same the riots of 2020 were caused by police brutality and injustice.
It's not the stores' faults.
That's not the argument: I'm arguing that Democrats were fine with ou voting system when Trump lost, but 11 months later, "the system is so broken and needs to be fixed by Democrats."
It is not Democrats that are changing the system -- it is the Republican controlled states. Their justification is based on the Big Lie that the 2020 election was fraudulent.
Sending the contested election results back to the states was a key parStates that knew who their electors were.
Trump lawyer John Eastman's mome outlining his plan to keep Trump in of
as was convincing Mike Pence to ignore contested electoral votes.
Yes, but that would not be for Congress to decide. That's why the contested results would be retuurned to the states.
Both Eastman and Giuliani spoke at Trump's rally on the morning of 1/6,Good for them. Maybe they need to get some state AGs on board.
seeking to convince the crowd that evidence of widespread voter fraud existed. "We know there was fraud. Traditional fraud that occurred. We that dead people voted," said Eastman that morning, according to a comp
filed by a lawyers' group known as Lawyers Defending American Democracy
seeks to disbar and sanction Eastman.
Several already are.
There were protesters who were protesting because of those reasons. Then there were "protesters" who were looting, setting fires, and even killing people. Their reasons for being out and about on those evenings had NOTHING to do with police brutality and injustice. It had a lot more to do with opportunity and, in some cases, to intentionally cause trouble.
But you knew that, didn't you?
No, I only knew that you would spin it.
either; we'd have a bunch of new governor-sworn-in reps, but our political system wouldn't even flinch. So an assault on security guards? Yes. An assault
on "democracy?" I say no.
Maybe, but Joe is the president now, and his lies are the ones that are affecting us all.
Trump might be to blame for last year's riot, but the Democrats are responsible for more than 574 riots that are not being investigated by congress,
The riots of 2020 are not a democrat or republican thing.
There is a clear difference between the protests of 2020 and the
insurection of Jan 6. The protests were largely about police brutality
and injustice. Jan 6 was about Donald Trump and his lies.
But you knew that, didn't you?
Al, come on man! Don't use Jeff's horrible catchphrase! I'm trying to discourage him from using it (because it sounds terrible!)
I think he did know that and tried to spin my piont into something it wasn't.
but the store owners say it's about millions of dollars worth of merchandise
being stolen.
That's a spin.
I believe the store owners.
The statement is true, the riots cost different folks lots of $$$. All the sam
the riots of 2020 were caused by police brutality and injustice.
But you knew that, didn't you?
Al, come on man! Don't use Jeff's horrible catchphrase! I'm trying to discourage him from using it (because it sounds terrible!)
Yes, but that would not be for Congress to decide. That's why the contes results would be retuurned to the states.Where the state would know who their electors were, so it seems like a pretty hollow (and not very intelligent) "threat." Were crimes
committed? Sounds like it. Was democracy ever truely at threat? Noooooooooooooooo.
No, I only knew that you would spin it.
So you don't know that there was looting, fires, and people who got killed? That is not spin, that is fact.
Sounds like you know very little about a subject you profess to be knowledgeable about. I am not surprised.
Jeff and Al apparently are not talking about January 6 now. They are
talking about the attempt by some bozos to send in fake electoral college results. Apparently we were in grave danger of some state legislatures not knowing who their electors were, of Mike Pence going along with the bozos, and of these legislatures also going along with them, and several other things with low likelihoods of happening that would have had to have
happened in order for the "threat" to actually be real.
The riots of 2020 are not a democrat or republican thing.
If they were not a democrat or republican thing, why did Democratc mayors,
like Portland's, put up with the violence before the election, then immediatel
after the election claim that (1) antifa exists after all, and (2) we need to put a stop to their violence in our town?
There is a clear difference between the protests of 2020 and the
insurection of Jan 6. The protests were largely about police brutality
and injustice. Jan 6 was about Donald Trump and his lies.
But you knew that, didn't you?
I think he did know that and tried to spin my piont into something it
wasn't.
BS. Your point is stated above. It is also incorrect. I didn't have to spin it into anything.
Jeff and Al apparently are not talking about January 6 now. They are talking about the attempt by some bozos to send in fake electoral college results.
Apparently we were in grave danger of some state legislatures
not knowing who their electors were, of Mike Pence going along with the bozos, and of these legislatures also going along with them, and several other things with low likelihoods of happening that would have had to
have happened in order for the "threat" to actually be real.
Apparently, we should be very, very afraid... not as afraid as we should be of ever going outside again without a hazmat suit, but afraid nonetheless.
Now, despite the fact that this silly plan did not work, and despite the fact that the electoral college votes were still counted and Biden was sworn in and has been President for a year, our Democracy is still under threat of this foiled "plot."
Funny how those that tell us that "there is no evidence of election
fraud" suddenly have found some... guess they found it in the same place where they hide their "Russian collusion evidence," which, by their own admission about "no evidence of election fraud" must not exist. Right?
Democracy might indeed be under threat, but not by the dummies who came
up with such a complicated idea that Jeff and Alan are skeered of.
Maybe, but Joe is the president now, and his lies are the ones that are affecting us all.Member when we were supposed to forget all of Hillary's lies and subversions because she didn't get elected? Member? Member???
It is better than his usual "I didn't say that!" catchphrase, wheneverBut you knew that, didn't you?Al, come on man! Don't use Jeff's horrible catchphrase! I'm trying to discourage him from using it (because it sounds terrible!)
one of his posts is quoted back to him after he's been proven incorrect.
On 01-19-22 22:20, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Sedition <=-
Maybe, but Joe is the president now, and his lies are the ones that are affecting us all.
What lies are those?
"If you take the vaccine you won't get covid." <- Joe Biden
The riots of 2020 are not a democrat or republican thing.
They were about police brutality and injustice that affects everyone.
Liberals are not allowed to call them "rioters," and you can't stop
police brutality by stealing millions of dollars worth of merchandise
from people who are not the police.
On 01-20-22 11:03, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Sedition <=-
That's not the argument: I'm arguing that
Democrats were fine with ou
voting system when Trump lost, but 11 months
later, "the system is so
broken and needs to be fixed by Democrats."
It is not Democrats that are changing the system -- it is the Republican controlled states. Their justification is based on the Big Lie that the 2020 election was fraudulent.
But it's Democrats who tried to get HR1 signed into law. I can't argue with states that I don't live in, but I will argue that congress should stay out of it because they are supposed to be a voice for their constituents, not a voice for their party.
On 01-20-22 16:13, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Sedition <=-
Yes, but that would not be for Congress to decide. That's why the contested results would be retuurned to the states.
Where the state would know who their electors were, so it seems like a pretty hollow (and not very intelligent) "threat." Were crimes
committed? Sounds like it. Was democracy ever truely at threat? Noooooooooooooooo.
On 01-20-22 17:55, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Sedition <=-
Jeff and Al apparently are not talking about January 6 now. They are talking about the attempt by some bozos to send in fake electoral
college results. Apparently we were in grave danger of some state legislatures not knowing who their electors were, of Mike Pence going along with the bozos, and of these legislatures also going along with them, and several other things with low likelihoods of happening that would have had to have happened in order for the "threat" to actually
be real.
On 01-20-22 18:01, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Sedition <=-
Why were these riots not popular in Republican cities?
With something as fundamentally important as the right to vote and have the vote counted, the constituents are the American public. The safeguarding of that right is not a local issue, it is a national one.
Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-
Jeff and Al apparently are not talking about January 6 now.
They are
talking about the attempt by some bozos to send in fake electoral
college results. Apparently we were in grave danger of some state legislatures not knowing who their electors were,
Apparently, we should be very, very afraid... not as afraid as we
should be of ever going outside again without a hazmat suit, but afraid nonetheless.
Democracy might indeed be under threat, but not by the dummies who came
up with such a complicated idea that Jeff and Alan are skeered of.
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
I guess the matter is of no relevance any more anyway. With all the anti-democratic new laws in 49 states,
the stage is set for a landslide GOP victory in the upcoming midterms,
and then it's a slam dunk in the 2024 elections.
The transformation of the former democratic republic into a totalitarian, fascist state complete.
Ahhh... More false Leftie Narrative.
Jeff and Al apparently are not talking about January 6 now.Because they are losing that discussion. Standard Leftie Tactic: Shift the discussion to a different topic if you start to lose.
They areI remember that here in Michigan, there was a great deal of confusion
talking about the attempt by some bozos to send in fake electoral college results. Apparently we were in grave danger of some state legislatures not knowing who their electors were,
over the electors. The Republican electors were not allowed in to the meeting to cast their vote. Now, I hear that those electors are being harassed by the legal system.
Of course, with all the cheating that was going on, I can understand how the confusion happened.
Apparently, we should be very, very afraid... not as afraid as we should be of ever going outside again without a hazmat suit, but afra nonetheless.Leftie strategy is to create a crisis to divert the sheeple's attention away from what they are doing.
Democracy might indeed be under threat, but not by the dummies who ca up with such a complicated idea that Jeff and Alan are skeered of.It certainly is under threat. And you can bet that if the Democrats are saying it's under threat, THEY are the ones threatening it.
In Leftie-speak "democracy" means "totalitarianism".
What lies are those?
"If you take the vaccine you won't get covid." <- Joe Biden
That is not true. Vaccinated people can get covid but are less likely to have a serious case if they do.
That's not really much of a lie but it is a poorly worded statement.
The lies and misinformation of the right around vaccination and the election of 2020 are doozies.
The riots of 2020 are not a democrat or republican thing.
They were about police brutality and injustice that affects everyone.
Liberals are not allowed to call them "rioters,"
Liberals and anyone for that matter can call them what they are.
and you can't stop police brutality by stealing millions of dollars wort merchandise from people who are not the police.
While the statement "you can't stop police brutality by stealing
millions of dollars worth of merchandise from people who are not police" is true, your statement is a lie.
There must have been millions of people protesting with BLM and most of them commited no crime. They stole nothing from anyone.
Now, despite the fact that this silly plan did not work, and despite the fact that the electoral college votes were still counted and Biden was sworn in and has been President for a year, our Democracy is still under threat of this foiled "plot."
Funny how those that tell us that "there is no evidence of election
fraud" suddenly have found some... guess they found it in the same place where they hide their "Russian collusion evidence," which, by their own admission about "no evidence of election fraud" must not exist. Right?
Democracy might indeed be under threat, but not by the dummies who came
up with such a complicated idea that Jeff and Alan are skeered of.
I'm glad that they were peaceful in your town. They were not peaceful in mine. "most of them committed no crime" doesn't sound like a good statistic to me.
Now, despite the fact that this silly plan did not work, and despite fact that the electoral college votes were still counted and Biden wa sworn in and has been President for a year, our Democracy is still un threat of this foiled "plot."Remember, the Democrats plan ahead; they'll warn about Republicans
causing voter discrimination, but on election day, only the lefties will be playing those dirty tricks.
Funny how those that tell us that "there is no evidence of election fraud" suddenly have found some... guess they found it in the same pl where they hide their "Russian collusion evidence," which, by their o admission about "no evidence of election fraud" must not exist. RighI'm confused. I don't think the left is complaining about fraud, but they're complaining about voter discrimination (which they are actually the perpetrators of.)
Democracy might indeed be under threat, but not by the dummies who ca up with such a complicated idea that Jeff and Alan are skeered of.Hunter's business deals with China are what worry me. If Hunter were to rip them off, they will take it out on America. (And Hunter IS a drug user.)
On 20 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
Yes, but that would not be for Congress to decide. That's why the conteWhere the state would know who their electors were, so it seems like a pretty hollow (and not very intelligent) "threat." Were crimes committed? Sounds like it. Was democracy ever truely at threat? Noooooooooooooooo.
results would be retuurned to the states.
Who is "the state" in this case? The state legislature, perhaps? The governor? Who?
So you don't know that there was looting, fires, and people who got killed? That is not spin, that is fact.
Of course I did. You and I have discussed the protests before.
The riots of 2020 are not a democrat or republican thing.
If they were not a democrat or republican thing, why did Democratc mayors,
like Portland's, put up with the violence before the election, then immediate
after the election claim that (1) antifa exists after all, and (2) we need t
put a stop to their violence in our town?
The protests were not politicaly motivated. Not by democrats or republicans.
There is a clear difference between the protests of 2020 and the
insurection of Jan 6. The protests were largely about police brutality >> >> and injustice. Jan 6 was about Donald Trump and his lies.
But you knew that, didn't you?
I think he did know that and tried to spin my piont into something it
wasn't.
BS. Your point is stated above. It is also incorrect. I didn't have to spin it into anything.
My point was a simple one. It's quoted above.
Apparently we were in grave danger of some state legislatures
not knowing who their electors were, of Mike Pence going along with the bozos, and of these legislatures also going along with them, and several other things with low likelihoods of happening that would have had to have happened in order for the "threat" to actually be real.
I have no doubt that the state legislatures would know who their electors were, but given the opportunity to change that I doubt that many, if any, Republican-majority legislatures would pass it up. If it were thrown in their lap to decide, of course they would muscle through their candidate. And that was the plan.
Apparently, we should be very, very afraid... not as afraid as we should be of ever going outside again without a hazmat suit, but afraid nonetheless.
This is how democracies turn into dictatorships.
If they tried it once, they can try it again.Attempted crimes are no less crimes than successful ones. We are only now starting to bring the perpetrators to justice.
Also, Trump is considering running again in 2024. If he was guilty of sedition
then he should not be allowed to do so, lest he repeat past behaviors.
Democracy might indeed be under threat, but not by the dummies who came up with such a complicated idea that Jeff and Alan are skeered of.
I take it by your ignorance that you support Trump's coup?
Maybe, but Joe is the president now, and his lies are the ones that areMember when we were supposed to forget all of Hillary's lies and subversions because she didn't get elected? Member? Member???
affecting us all.
Hillary didn't attempt a coup.
On 20 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
It is better than his usual "I didn't say that!" catchphrase, whenever one of his posts is quoted back to him after he's been proven incorrect.But you knew that, didn't you?Al, come on man! Don't use Jeff's horrible catchphrase! I'm trying to discourage him from using it (because it sounds terrible!)
I'll admit when I'm incorrect. I'll also correct anyone who misquotes me.
Where the state would know who their electors were, so it seems like a pretty hollow (and not very intelligent) "threat." Were crimes committed? Sounds like it. Was democracy ever truely at threat? Noooooooooooooooo.
Not really, and I expect that the attempt to send in "alternate"
electors is going to get Gulianna and others in a lot of trouble.
It does not matter that the likelyhood of acceptance was essentially
nil, what they did and those who helped them do it still committed a
crime.
Funny how those that tell us that "there is no evidence of election fraud" suddenly have found some... guess they found it in the same place where they hide their "Russian collusion evidence," which, by their own admission about "no evidence of election fraud" must not exist. Right?
I'm confused. I don't think the left is complaining about fraud, but they're complaining about voter discrimination (which they are actually the perpetrators of.)
Democracy might indeed be under threat, but not by the dummies who came up with such a complicated idea that Jeff and Alan are skeered of.
Hunter's business deals with China are what worry me. If Hunter were to rip them off, they will take it out on America. (And Hunter IS a drug user.)
"If you take the vaccine you won't get covid." <- Joe Biden
That is not true. Vaccinated people can get covid but are less likely to have serious case if they do.
That's not really much of a lie but it is a poorly worded statement.
Liberals are not allowed to call them "rioters,"
Liberals and anyone for that matter can call them what they are.
Maybe, but Joe is the president now, and his lies are the ones that are
affecting us all.
What lies are those?
"If you take the vaccine you won't get covid." <- Joe Biden
That was essentially true a year ago, but things have changed with the emergence of new variants.
They were rioters -- and they did not care about the issues being
protested, they were simply being opportunistic.
I guess the matter is of no relevance any more anyway. With all the anti-de
cratic new laws in 49 states, the stage is set for a landslide GOP victory in
I'm glad that they were peaceful in your town. They were not peaceful in mine.
"most of them committed no crime" doesn't sound like a good statistic to me.
Yes, they should. But they would also have the opportunity to jump on the "massive voter fraud" bandwagon and change it in their favor. Do you thinkWho is "the state" in this case? The state legislature, perhaps? The governor? Who?I am pretty certain you said it goes back to the state legislature. They should know who their elector slates were.
Apparently, if any went back, they got to the right people because there were no major issues and Joe Biden was sworn in.None went back. This aspect of the coup failed whe Pence refused to
The dead horse is getting tired of the beating.The horse is getting tired of being misdiagnosed as dead.
Which state are you giving a pass to?
I have a lot of doubt in that.Apparently we were in grave danger of some state legislaturesI have no doubt that the state legislatures would know who their elector were, but given the opportunity to change that I doubt that many, if any Republican-majority legislatures would pass it up. If it were thrown in lap to decide, of course they would muscle through their candidate. And was the plan.
not knowing who their electors were, of Mike Pence going along with bozos, and of these legislatures also going along with them, and se other things with low likelihoods of happening that would have had have happened in order for the "threat" to actually be real.
They usually have better plans than that.Apparently, we should be very, very afraid... not as afraid as we s be of ever going outside again without a hazmat suit, but afraid nonetheless.This is how democracies turn into dictatorships.
If they tried it once, they can try it again.Attempted crimes are no les crimes than successful ones. We are only now starting to bring the perpetrators to justice.And they can fail again.
Attempted (past tense) crimes are not current-tense threats to our democracy, which is what was claimed by you and Alan. Poorly thought-out past-tense crimes are not a threat at all.
Also, Trump is considering running again in 2024. If he was guilty of seditionIf Biden was doing such a good job, a Trump 2024 run wouldn't be successful, or anything to worry about. As it is, Biden is doing so well that there their are rumors that Hillary is considering a run in 2024. Good luck to us all if the election choices are a repeat of 2016.
then he should not be allowed to do so, lest he repeat past behaviors.
No, I am pretty sure I have called the people behind these plans "bozos" in another message, and I sure have not shown any confidence in any of their plans ever having been successful. It would be a pretty bigDemocracy might indeed be under threat, but not by the dummies who up with such a complicated idea that Jeff and Alan are skeered of.I take it by your ignorance that you support Trump's coup?
leap... like Grand Canyon sized... to come to a conclusion of "support" out of what I have said about it.
I see more ignorance in the assumption that such a Wiley Coyote style
plan could even come to fruition than I do in lacking confidence in it.
I don't believe that Trump did, either. His supporters, or someone's supporters, is a different story.Hillary didn't attempt a coup.Maybe, but Joe is the president now, and his lies are the ones th areMember when we were supposed to forget all of Hillary's lies and subversions because she didn't get elected? Member? Member???
affecting us all.
I'll admit when I'm incorrect. I'll also correct anyone who misquotes me"I didn't say that!" is not your catchphrase.
I'm glad that they were peaceful in your town. They were not peaceful mine. "most of them committed no crime" doesn't sound like a good statistic to me.
Why not? That's true of the general population as well.
You can't be sure of that. There's no official list of BLM marches of 2020, Al is wrong too when he says "most of them." It would beI'm glad that they were peaceful in your town. They were not pea mine. "most of them committed no crime" doesn't sound like a goo statistic to me.Why not? That's true of the general population as well.
misleading for me to say "most of the time BLM committed crimes while
they were protesting," but what you guys are saying is equally
misleading.
Ahhh... More false Leftie Narrative.
Please define "Leftie".
Is that like what Jesus has to say about e.g. wealth, supporting the poor and vulnerable, loving thy neighbour (he never mentions exceptions for religion, skin colour or even immigration status), empathy and stuff like that?
Hillary didn't attempt a coup.
I don't believe that Trump did, either. His supporters, or someone's supporters, is a different story.
Remember, Alan lives in Canada, where they did not have that problem (because there was no election to influence) and likely would not have
put up with it if they did.
Remember, Alan lives in Canada, where they did not have that problem (because there was no election to influence) and likely would not hav put up with it if they did.They do stuff the right way 99% of the time in Canada. But their people are even easier to brainwash than ours (so it seems.) Their liberal
party isn't as reckless as ours, and nowhere near as bad as Joe's
Regime; the liberal party of Canada won't be purposefully destroying
their country any time soon, especially not just to make some old prune
a trillionaire.
On 01-21-22 08:07, Ron Lauzon <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: Sedition <=-
I remember that here in Michigan, there was a great deal of confusion
over the electors. The Republican electors were not allowed in to the meeting to cast their vote. Now, I hear that those electors are being harassed by the legal system.
On 01-21-22 16:52, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Sedition <=-
Attempted (past tense) crimes are not current-tense threats to our democracy, which is what was claimed by you and Alan. Poorly
thought-out past-tense crimes are not a threat at all.
On 01-21-22 16:07, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Sedition <=-
Where the state would know who their electors were, so it seems like a pretty hollow (and not very intelligent) "threat." Were crimes committed? Sounds like it. Was democracy ever truely at threat? Noooooooooooooooo.
Not really, and I expect that the attempt to send in "alternate"
electors is going to get Gulianna and others in a lot of trouble.
When you read some of the transcripts from January 6, that is not all
that Guliani could get in trouble for.
On 01-21-22 16:29, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Sedition <=-
Depends on what day it is. The complaints here, as of late, that lead
to this discussion are regarding some very-complicated, Wiley Coyote
vs. the Road Runner type attempt at messing up the electoral college results.
On a National level, I must agree with Mitch McConnell and question whether or not all the fussing is an attempt to ignore other difficult things that are going on that need to be addressed, i.e. stagflation inflation, the continuing supply chain problem, what Russia is up to,
and other problems we are facing.
While my reasons might be different, I do not disagree that China is a bigger threat to our democracy (and the World) than what Jeff and Alan have been afraid of.
So you don't know that there was looting, fires, and people who got killed? >> > That is not spin, that is fact.
Of course I did. You and I have discussed the protests before.
If it is true, then where is the spin?
And you don't see the problem with the looting, fires, and killings?
The protests were not politicaly motivated. Not by democrats or republicans.
The reactions of Portland's mayor, and others, to the violence before and after the election, would indicate otherwise. Their acceptance of the violence, until after the election, was certainly politically motivated.
There is a clear difference between the protests of 2020 and the
insurection of Jan 6. The protests were largely about police brutality >> >> >> and injustice. Jan 6 was about Donald Trump and his lies.
But you knew that, didn't you?
I think he did know that and tried to spin my piont into something it
wasn't.
BS. Your point is stated above. It is also incorrect. I didn't have to >> > spin it into anything.
My point was a simple one. It's quoted above.
And incorrect.
Hillary didn't attempt a coup.
I don't believe that Trump did, either. His supporters, or someone's supporters, is a different story.
It does not matter that the likelyhood of acceptance was essentially
nil, what they did and those who helped them do it still committed a
crime.
Oh, no doubt, and they should find out firsthand what the punishment is for those crimes. What is at question is whether or not they were a valid threat. I think not.
Liberals are not allowed to call them "rioters,"
Liberals and anyone for that matter can call them what they are.
Which is "rioters."
I'm glad that they were peaceful in your town. They were not peaceful inmine.
"most of them committed no crime" doesn't sound like a good statistic to me.
Remember, Alan lives in Canada, where they did not have that problem
(because there was no election to influence) and likely would not have put
up with it if they did.
Dude, Canada has socialized medicine...
Dude, Canada has socialized medicine...We just call it health care.
Which state are you giving a pass to?
Hawaii?
Yes, in most states the legislators don't seem to be the type to hop on that bandwagon. Look at our nation's Congress. There are many, many Republicans there (although not a majority). I can only think of one or two that I would suspect might jump at such an opportunity. One or two does not a threat make.I am pretty certain you said it goes back to the state legislature. TheyYes, they should. But they would also have the opportunity to jump on th "massive voter fraud" bandwagon and change it in their favor. Do you thi they would avoid the temptation?
should know who their elector slates were.
On 21 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
Yes, they should. But they would also have the opportunity to jump on the "massive voter fraud" bandwagon and change it in their favor. Do you think they would avoid the temptation?Who is "the state" in this case? The state legislature, perhaps? The governor? Who?I am pretty certain you said it goes back to the state legislature. They
should know who their elector slates were.
Which state are you giving a pass to?Hawaii?
Attempted (past tense) crimes are not current-tense threats to our democracy, which is what was claimed by you and Alan. Poorly thought-out
past-tense crimes are not a threat at all.
As long as they go unpunished they are.
If Biden was doing such a good job, a Trump 2024 run wouldn't be successful, or anything to worry about. As it is, Biden is doing so well
that there their are rumors that Hillary is considering a run in 2024. Good luck to us all if the election choices are a repeat of 2016.
Biden has nothing to do with it. Nice try, though.
No, I am pretty sure I have called the people behind these plans "bozos" in another message, and I sure have not shown any confidence in any of their plans ever having been successful. It would be a pretty big leap... like Grand Canyon sized... to come to a conclusion of "support" out of what I have said about it.
And if Trump himself supported it?
I see more ignorance in the assumption that such a Wiley Coyote style plan could even come to fruition than I do in lacking confidence in it.
That they tried is what's important.
Remember, Alan lives in Canada, where they did not have that problem (because there was no election to influence) and likely would not have put up with it if they did.
They do stuff the right way 99% of the time in Canada. But their people are even easier to brainwash than ours (so it seems.) Their liberal party isn't as
reckless as ours, and nowhere near as bad as Joe's Regime; the liberal party of Canada won't be purposefully destroying their country any time soon, especially not just to make some old prune a trillionaire.
So, your response to attempted crimes would be -- "nice try, sorry it
did not work this time. Better luck next time". In this case, the mere attempt was a threat to the democratic process. It emboldens others to
try similar things in the future.
Not really, and I expect that the attempt to send in "alternate"
electors is going to get Gulianna and others in a lot of trouble.
BTW, we both mispelled his name. It is Giuliani. You were closer than
I.
That may be, but look at who is behind the latest attempt -- a lawyer who
is already been suspended and may be disbarred because of his previous blatant attempts to overturn the election.
I would easily add Russia to that list. They have been so since long
before the USSR dissolved.
So you don't know that there was looting, fires, and people who got killed
That is not spin, that is fact.
Of course I did. You and I have discussed the protests before.
If it is true, then where is the spin?
Your spin is the above looting fires and people who got killed.
I was not talking about any of that, you broght it up.
The reactions of Portland's mayor, and others, to the violence before and after the election, would indicate otherwise. Their acceptance of the violence, until after the election, was certainly politically motivated.
The protests of 2020 (or the burnings, lootings and killings as you like to ca
them) were about police brutality and injustice. They were not politically mo
vated.
Liberals are not allowed to call them "rioters,"
Liberals and anyone for that matter can call them what they are.
Which is "rioters."
I call them what they are, protesters.
The vast majority of protesters did nothing wrong or illegal.
On a National level, I must agree with Mitch McConnell and question whether or not all the fussing is an attempt to ignore other difficult things that are going on that need to be addressed, i.e. stagflation inflation, the continuing supply chain problem, what Russia is up to, and other problems we are facing.
I don't believe that those items are being ignored -- the fact that
Mcconnell is saying so is an attempt to score political points. The administration is working on those and many other problems.
You can't be sure of that. There's no official list of BLM marches of 2020, Al
is wrong too when he says "most of them." It would be misleading for me to say
"most of the time BLM committed crimes while they were protesting," but what you guys are saying is equally misleading.
While there is no official listing, there was plenty of press coverage. There were quite a few protests at which no rioting or looting occurred. There were protests in over 2000 cities, in over 60 countries.
There were a handful of rioting/looting incidents.
You've mentioned in previous posts that people are going to get into trouble for it.Attempted (past tense) crimes are not current-tense threats to our democracy, which is what was claimed by you and Alan. Poorly thought-outAs long as they go unpunished they are.
past-tense crimes are not a threat at all.
Biden has nothing to do with it. Nice try, though.Actually, Biden has a lot to do with it. If he was doing such a great job, there'd be no threat of a Trump 2024 victory. As it is, he is looking like a sitting duck. Do you think Obama would have been threatened by a Trump run in 2012?
Nope. Still grasping at straws. Now, if Hillary had tried it in 2016 to keep Trump out of office, I am guessing that one of us (who is not me) would have found a way to support it. That guess is based on the way you seem to assume things, which gives some insight into how you think of things.No, I am pretty sure I have called the people behind these plans "b in another message, and I sure have not shown any confidence in any their plans ever having been successful. It would be a pretty big leap... like Grand Canyon sized... to come to a conclusion of "supp out of what I have said about it.And if Trump himself supported it?
Idiots can try anything. That doesn't make it more possible.I see more ignorance in the assumption that such a Wiley Coyote sty plan could even come to fruition than I do in lacking confidence inThat they tried is what's important.
This discussion started because you and Alan have insinuated that we
*are* still under threat. Not that we *were* under threat (even if it
was not a credible one), and that people need to get in trouble for it, but that we are still under threat.
If we are changing to "someone did something illegal and needs to get in trouble," then it is a different discussion and would not have been drawn out so long, at least not by me because there is a simple answer: If
they did do something illegal, and it can be proven in court, they need
to get in trouble for it.
While there is no official listing, there was plenty of press coverage. were quite a few protests at which no rioting or looting occurred. There protests in over 2000 cities, in over 60 countries.This is true. They happened this way in my town, in nearby Lexington, *during the day* in Louisville, and in many other towns.
There were a handful of rioting/looting incidents.If you are saying that there were only a handful of incidents in one town on one particular date, you might be correct. If you are claiming that there were only a handful that were investigated, you might be correct.
If you are claiming sum total, you might want to watch yourself the next time you turn your head. Your growing nose might knock something off
the shelf.
While there is no official listing, there was plenty of press coverage. were quite a few protests at which no rioting or looting occurred. There protests in over 2000 cities, in over 60 countries.This is true. They happened this way in my town, in nearby Lexington, *during the day* in Louisville, and in many other towns.
They do stuff the right way 99% of the time in Canada. But their people are even easier to brainwash than ours (so it seems.) Their liberal
party isn't as reckless as ours, and nowhere near as bad as Joe's
Regime; the liberal party of Canada won't be purposefully destroying
their country any time soon, especially not just to make some old prune
a trillionaire.
Regime; the liberal party of Canada won't be purposefully destroying
their country any time soon, especially not just to make some old prune
a trillionaire.
The vast majority of protesters did nothing wrong or illegal.
You called them rioters, which triggered Aaron's response. You seem to be the one having difficulty differentiating between the two.
Bologna. Even Dale has seen through that. The riots had nothing to do
with police brutality or injustice. They were an injustice carried out by persons who saw a opportunity to take advantage of the laxness of any legal response in those areas to cause trouble. I don't doubt that some of that trouble was politically motivated, while the rest of it was motivated by stupidity or personal gain.
the conteYes, but that would not be for Congress to decide. That's why
results would be retuurned to the states.
Where the state would know who their electors were, so it seems like
a
pretty hollow (and not very intelligent) "threat." Were crimes
committed? Sounds like it. Was democracy ever truely at threat?
Noooooooooooooooo.
Who is "the state" in this case? The state legislature, perhaps? The
governor? Who?
I am pretty certain you said it goes back to the state legislature. They should know who their elector slates were.
Apparently, if any went back, they got to the right people because there were no major issues and Joe Biden was sworn in.
The dead horse is getting tired of the beating.
While there is no official listing, there was plenty of press coverage. There were quite a few protests at which no rioting or looting occurred. There were protests in over 2000 cities, in over 60 countries. There
were a handful of rioting/looting incidents.
While there is no official listing, there was plenty of press coverag There were quite a few protests at which no rioting or looting occurr There were protests in over 2000 cities, in over 60 countries. There were a handful of rioting/looting incidents.That sounds good, but you're downplaying the violence though! "a handful of rioting/looting" doesn't take credit for "a handful of murders and several commercial properties that were burned to the ground."
It doesn't change the fact that the BLM protests were not politically motivated.
I have also interacted with him in other echos. Outside of the Politics echos, he seems pretty sensible. He only seems brainwashed here.
Jeff Thiele wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-
Trump was lying to your face while trying his damndest to circumvent
the Constitution that he had sworn to defend, and the will of the
people who had booted him out.
Alan Ianson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-
The statement is true, the riots cost different folks lots of $$$. All
the same the riots of 2020 were caused by police brutality and
injustice.
Jeff Thiele wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-
flinch. So an assault on security guards? Yes. An assault on
"democracy?" I say no.
An assault need not be physical, Mr. Metaphor-Man.
It doesn't change the fact that the BLM protests were not politically motivated.One of the BLM guys got on TV and said "We got you elected Joe, now what are you gonna do for us?"
The riots helped the media prove to the people that Trump's USA shall include violent rioting and looting, and that a Biden USA would be quiet and peaceful.
Biden gave in to them by signing an executive order that bans chokeholds (makes it impossible for most arrests to even happen in the first place.)
The media has made it desirable to be a liberal. If you're a liberal, you might get to high-five Jimmy Kimmel someday, or you might get into Ana Cabrera's pants, but if you don't commit yourself to the leftie way of life, then you're racist, ignorant, won't get near Ana Cabrera, and Colbert's jokes are all about you. Plus they might take your weed away.
Trump was lying to your face while trying his damndest to circumvent the Constitution that he had sworn to defend, and the will of the people who had booted him out.I don't think there are very many politicians on either side that
truly defend the Constitution, but that's another discussion...
The statement is true, the riots cost different folks lots of $$$. Al the same the riots of 2020 were caused by police brutality and injustice.Caused? I think they were a CHOICE that people made to go out and riot
and destroy and pillage. No one CAUSES someone to do something illegal. Ultimately it's an individual's choice.
It doesn't change the fact that the BLM protests were not politically
motivated.
One of the BLM guys got on TV and said "We got you elected Joe, now what are you gonna do for us?"
The riots helped the media prove to the people that Trump's USA shall include violent rioting and looting, and that a Biden USA would be quiet and peaceful.
Biden gave in to them by signing an executive order that bans chokeholds (makes it impossible for most arrests to even happen in the first place.)
The statement is true, the riots cost different folks lots of $$$. All
the same the riots of 2020 were caused by police brutality and
injustice.
Caused? I think they were a CHOICE that people made to go out and riot
and destroy and pillage. No one CAUSES someone to do something illegal. Ultimately it's an individual's choice.
This is very true! Allowing people to vote multiple times is
also an assault on democracy!
flinch. So an assault on security guards? Yes. An assault on "democracy?" I say no.This is very true! Allowing people to vote multiple times is
An assault need not be physical, Mr. Metaphor-Man.
also an assault on democracy!
On 01-22-22 11:31, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Sedition <=-
So, your response to attempted crimes would be -- "nice try, sorry it
did not work this time. Better luck next time". In this case, the mere attempt was a threat to the democratic process. It emboldens others to
try similar things in the future.
I am pretty certain we discussed this in another email... that they
need to get in trouble if their crimes are proven... so not exactly.
I don't agree with the last bit, especially if they are tried and
found guilty. Seeing someone do something stupid, not be at all successful, and also get convicted of it, does not embolden me. Does
it you?
If you know someone who drinks and drives, never gets arrested for it
and never has an accident, and therefore doesn't get convicted, does
that embolden you to try it? The "it being stupid" part is enough to
put me off, regardless of any success rate.
On 01-22-22 10:49, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about USSR <=-
That may be, but look at who is behind the latest attempt -- a lawyer who
is already been suspended and may be disbarred because of his previous blatant attempts to overturn the election.
Previous attempt, as in prior to 2020? That would be an interesting tidbit for sure.
Trump was lying to your face while trying his damndest to circumvent
the Constitution that he had sworn to defend, and the will of the
people who had booted him out.
I don't think there are very many politicians on either side that
truly defend the Constitution, but that's another discussion...
The statement is true, the riots cost different folks lots of $$$. All
the same the riots of 2020 were caused by police brutality and
injustice.
Caused? I think they were a CHOICE that people made to go out and riot
and destroy and pillage. No one CAUSES someone to do something illegal. Ultimately it's an individual's choice.
You've mentioned in previous posts that people are going to get into trouble for it.
They should; we'll see. But why should they get in trouble for something that isn't a threat, if it was indeed not a threat?
Actually, Biden has a lot to do with it. If he was doing such a great job, there'd be no threat of a Trump 2024 victory. As it is, he is looking like a sitting duck. Do you think Obama would have been threatened by a Trump run in 2012?
It's not the threat of a Trump 2024 victory that's driving this. It's illegal, seditious, fraudulent and anti-democratic (small-d) actions undertaken by conservatives and GOP officials (including, but not limited to, Trump) that's driving it.
For some reason, you can't seem to separate the criminal from the political.
There were a handful of rioting/looting incidents.If you are saying that there were only a handful of incidents in one town
on one particular date, you might be correct. If you are claiming that there were only a handful that were investigated, you might be correct.
There were investigations and arrests.
Yes, they should. But they would also have the opportunity to jump on tYes, in most states the legislators don't seem to be the type to hop on that bandwagon. Look at our nation's Congress. There are many, many Republicans there (although not a majority). I can only think of one or two that I would suspect might jump at such an opportunity. One or two does not a threat make.
"massive voter fraud" bandwagon and change it in their favor. Do you th
they would avoid the temptation?
We're not talking about "most states," though. We're specifically talking about 7 battleground states. And whether they would or would not do it is irrelevant to the fact that it was attempted.
The media has made it desirable to be a liberal. If you're a liberal, you might get to high-five Jimmy Kimmel someday, or you might get into Ana Cabrera's pants, but if you don't commit yourself to the leftie way of life, then you're racist, ignorant, won't get near Ana Cabrera, and Colbert's jokes are all about you. Plus they might take your weed away.
As a Canadian I have to disagree. There are differences between US/Can of cour
and sometimes ours is a better way and sometimes yours is. Our federal electi
s come under federal jurisdiction and so voting laws for said federal election
are the same from coast to coast. And yes we require ID. Maybe that is better an the US system but "better" is subjective.
The Liberal Party of Canada takes its queues from the DNC and have since the 2
5 election where they won a majority government. They (the LPC) had Obama camp
gn staff helping them with that and the two subsequent elections. And as you c
imagine, they (LPC) have become all about identity politics. The LPC you des
ibe is long gone.
The two main parties tend to have a party culture based on 1 or more dominant aders. This applies to the LPC more so than the CPC (Canadian Conservative Par
). In the (fairly) recent past you had Chretien Liberals and Martin Liberals.
hretien and Martin were rivals of course. But today there are only Trudeau Li
rals. There is no healthy competition. While I am generally not an LPC voter,
hope that party can eventually free itself of the Trudeau stranglehold and fr
itself of identity politics for the good of the country.
On 21 Jan 2022, Jimmy Anderson said the following...
The statement is true, the riots cost different folks lots of $$$. ACaused? I think they were a CHOICE that people made to go out and riot and destroy and pillage. No one CAUSES someone to do something illegal. Ultimately it's an individual's choice.
the same the riots of 2020 were caused by police brutality and injustice.
In a number of cases, the violence was instigated by the police and/or counter-protesters.
The statement is true, the riots cost different folks lots of $$$. All
the same the riots of 2020 were caused by police brutality and
injustice.
Caused? I think they were a CHOICE that people made to go out and riot
and destroy and pillage. No one CAUSES someone to do something illegal. Ultimately it's an individual's choice.
It is. Many people choose to do something about police brutality and injustice
That is what the protests were about. The motivation was not political.
The insurrection on Jan 6 was completely political, but I was talking about th
protests of 2020.
The statement is true, the riots cost different folks lots of $$$. All the same the riots of 2020 were caused by police brutality and injustice.
Caused? I think they were a CHOICE that people made to go out and riot
and destroy and pillage. No one CAUSES someone to do something illegal. Ultimately it's an individual's choice.
It is illegal, right? Being a dumb criminal doesn't make the act less illegal, it just makes it unlikely that your attempts will find success.You've mentioned in previous posts that people are going to get int trouble for it.They should; we'll see. But why should they get in trouble for something isn't a threat, if it was indeed not a threat?
I was not the one of the two of us who originally brought up the threatActually, Biden has a lot to do with it. If he was doing such a gr job, there'd be no threat of a Trump 2024 victory. As it is, he is looking like a sitting duck. Do you think Obama would have been threatened by a Trump run in 2012?It's not the threat of a Trump 2024 victory that's driving this. It's illegal, seditious, fraudulent and anti-democratic (small-d) actions undertaken by conservatives and GOP officials (including, but not limite Trump) that's driving it.
For some reason, you can't seem to separate the criminal from the politi
of the Trump 2024 victory as a reason this was important.
Trump 2024 is something that lives under yours, and Alan's, beds.
And that is where the handful estimate might be correct.There were investigations and arrests.There were a handful of rioting/looting incidents.If you are saying that there were only a handful of incidents in on town
on one particular date, you might be correct. If you are claiming there were only a handful that were investigated, you might be corr
If it is not relevant, why did you bring their "temptation" up?Yes, in most states the legislators don't seem to be the type to ho that bandwagon. Look at our nation's Congress. There are many, ma Republicans there (although not a majority). I can only think of o two that I would suspect might jump at such an opportunity. One or does not a threat make.We're not talking about "most states," though. We're specifically talkin about 7 battleground states. And whether they would or would not do it i irrelevant to the fact that it was attempted.
In a number of cases, the violence was instigated by the police and/or counter-protesters.What number? There was only a handful to begin with, right?
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Please define "Leftie".
Is that like what Jesus has to say about e.g. wealth, supporting the poor and vulnerable, loving thy neighbour (he never mentions exceptions for religion, skin colour or even immigration status), empathy and
stuff like that?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-
Remember, the Democrats plan ahead; they'll warn about Republicans
causing voter discrimination, but on election day, only the lefties
will be playing those dirty tricks.
I'm confused. I don't think the left is complaining about fraud, but they're complaining about voter discrimination (which they are actually the perpetrators of.)
Hunter's business deals with China are what worry me. If Hunter were to rip them off, they will take it out on America. (And Hunter IS a drug user.)
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
The dead horse is getting tired of the beating.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
If you're gonna say "most," that means that you've counted all the
known BLM marches and documented all the known BLM-related crimes, and then jot down the ratios of BLM marches to BLM march-related crimes, before you say "most of em."
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
If we are changing to "someone did something illegal and needs to get
in trouble," then it is a different discussion and would not have been drawn out so long, at least not by me because there is a simple answer:
If they did do something illegal, and it can be proven in court, they need to get in trouble for it.
Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-
You called them rioters, which triggered Aaron's response. You seem to
be the one having difficulty differentiating between the two.
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
Caused? I think they were a CHOICE that people made to go out and riot
and destroy and pillage. No one CAUSES someone to do something illegal. Ultimately it's an individual's choice.
flinch. So an assault on security guards? Yes. An assault on
"democracy?" I say no.
An assault need not be physical, Mr. Metaphor-Man.
This is very true! Allowing people to vote multiple times is
also an assault on democracy!
They like to set up strawmen for their "arguments" that anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see through.
Is that like what Jesus has to say about e.g. wealth, supporting the
poor and vulnerable, loving thy neighbour (he never mentions exceptions
for religion, skin colour or even immigration status), empathy and
stuff like that?
The above is a good example.
Your statement is about VOLUNTARY giving.
Conservative Party). In the (fairly) recent past you had Chretien Liberals and Martin Liberals. Chretien and Martin were rivals of course.
competition. While I am generally not an LPC voter, I hope that party
can eventually free itself of the Trudeau stranglehold and free itself
of identity politics for the good of the country.
Oh, I meant to address this part too. Lot's of scandals during Trudeau's now three terms and as is often the case with the LPC, many involve enriching LPC friendly companies and businesses. The politicians themselves aren't getting Nancy Pelosi-style rich, but there is
definitely Party and friends before country going on. It is what
Ahem, it's not my statement, it's allegedly from Jesus.Is that like what Jesus has to say about e.g. wealth, supportingThe above is a good example.
poor and vulnerable, loving thy neighbour (he never mentions excepti
for religion, skin colour or even immigration status), empathy and
stuff like that?
Your statement is about VOLUNTARY giving.
So, in the country of extreme Bible-thumping, you renounce Jesus. How Christian of you.
This would be the same Jesus who said "render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's" when he was *specifically* asked about taxation.
Trump 2024 is something that lives under yours, and Alan's, beds.
Trump can't win 2024 fairly, and he knows it.
Biden is doing such a poor job as president that virtually ANYONE can
run against him in 2024 and beat him with half their brain tied behind their back just to make it fair.
Gas prices are through the roof thanks to Biden
the Economy has gotten 10 times worse thanks to Biden
The Taliban were given millions of dollars in US military equipment
thanks to Biden
The country is more divided now than ever before thanks to Biden
The man is so clueless that he often repeats the "Lets go Brandon"
slogan not even knowing what it really means....
Biden is doing such a poor job as president that virtually ANYONE can[lots of stuff with no discernible context]
slogan not even knowing what it really means....
Biden is doing such a poor job as president
So Trump is a dumb criminal?
I was not the one of the two of us who originally brought up the threat
of the Trump 2024 victory as a reason this was important.
The fact that one of the people responsible for the coup may run again
and, if successful,
try something similar again is a threat,
yes,
but the outrage over an attempted coup
is not an attempt to avoid another Trump presidency,
per se.
As you said, the people responsible for illegal actions need to face punishment.
Trump 2024 is something that lives under yours, and Alan's, beds.
Trump can't win 2024 fairly, and he knows it.
The riots helped the media prove to the people that Trump's USA shall include violent rioting and looting, and that a Biden USA would be qu and peaceful.
No, it didn't.
You're saying that most arrests involve chokeholds? What's your source on that?
The riots helped the media prove to the people that Trump's USA shall in violent rioting and looting, and that a Biden USA would be quiet and peaceful.
The media didn't prove that, Donald Trump did, and he keeps on proving
it.
Biden gave in to them by signing an executive order that bans chokeholds (makes it impossible for most arrests to even happen in the first place.
I have read that the justice department will or has banned chokeholds and no-knock entries but nothing about an executive order.
Donald Trump was their inspiration to hang Mike Pence and
assassinate Nancy Pelosi on January 6. All of them, including
Trump, belong in prison for what they did.
I would agree that you are more likely to get along with celebrities, should you ever meet one, if you lean left. A lot of folks believe that liking their posts on social media equates to "meeting" them and probably don't want to fall out of their virtual favor. Too bad that is not the real world.
Remember, the Democrats plan ahead; they'll warn about Republicans causing voter discrimination, but on election day, only the lefties will be playing those dirty tricks.
This is the Leftie tactic of "Setting the Narrative". It usually
Source-D saying the same thing. Even though, if you dig a bit, you'll find that the source that all those sources are quoting is the same.
The problem with words like "most" is that they are "weasel words" (as
in they allow the person saying them to weasel out of the argument).
You called them rioters, which triggered Aaron's response. You seem be the one having difficulty differentiating between the two.
One person's "rioters" is another's "freedom fighter".
The prophecy came true; BLM has disappeared, no more protesting, orange man gone, jimmy kimmel happy, world's best president is doing aThe riots helped the media prove to the people that Trump's USA include violent rioting and looting, and that a Biden USA would and peaceful.No, it didn't.
fantastic job.
You're saying that most arrests involve chokeholds? What's your sourc that?Most arrests don't have to involve chokeholds in order for the chokehold ban to lower the number of arrests. Democrats create problems so that
they can "solve" them later. Retraining officers to not use chokeholds
is going to create opportunities for them (Democrats) down the road.
There's nothing wrong with chokeholds; Derek Chauvin did it wrong
(setting up camp on top of someone's neck?) George Floyd's death has
been exploited enough already, much like Biden's presidency has.
The insurrection on Jan 6 was completely political, but I was talking about >> the protests of 2020.
No, re-read your quote above. You said "riots." I labeled them so you can keep up.
The media didn't prove that, Donald Trump did, and he keeps on proving
it.
Joe and the media are proving it.
There's no race rioting in progress here anymore. All that stuff was for America to deal with so long as Trump were president.
I wish I could say the same for covid, but Biden's weak response to
the pandemic has led to more covid deaths than the Trump administration did.
Biden gave in to them by signing an executive order that bans chokeholds >> > (makes it impossible for most arrests to even happen in the first place. >>I have read that the justice department will or has banned chokeholds and
no-knock entries but nothing about an executive order.
He didn't sign this executive order yet, but he plans to by the end of the month. The cops put people in chokeholds every day. No knock warrants are essential in law enforcement too.
Why do we want to give criminals the option of not answering the door?
Biden and other liberal nutjobs are creating a very criminal-friendly community here in the states.
It would be easier for me to be dismissive of it if I didn't live here, but now the officer shortages are worse than ever and they already don't want to work under the conditions the media has put on them, and the Justice Dept's policy and Joe's executive orders are just making it all the more impossible to keep officers.
Biden is doing such a poor job as president
Funny how y'all blame the president. Isn't it the House and the Senate that's supposed to rule the USA?
On 01-23-22 11:46, Ron Lauzon <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: Sedition <=-
Which is why, I think, most people aren't falling for the Jan. 6 Narrative.
If they did illegal stuff, why haven't we seen more court cases
already? We have lots of video evidence - that the gov't won't allow
to be seen.
The answer seems to be:
1. Most people didn't do anything really illegal (other than some misdemeanors).
2. For the ones who did something illegal, the court case would show
that Pelosiand such did not do their jobs (i.e. they allowed Jan. 6 to happen).
3. And the plants (Ray Epps?) that encouraged the Jan. 6 event
to get out of hand will have their ties to the Leftie machine shown.
On 01-23-22 18:01, Robert Ethridge <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Sedition <=-
Gas prices are through the roof thanks to Biden
the Economy has gotten 10 times worse thanks to Biden
The Taliban were given millions of dollars in US military equipment
thanks to Biden
The country is more divided now than ever before thanks to Biden
Donald Trump was their inspiration to hang Mike Pence and
assassinate Nancy Pelosi on January 6. All of them, including
Trump, belong in prison for what they did.
If their commanding officer instructed them to kill Pelosi & Pence, then they at least belong in prison for dereliction of duty.
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
So, in the country of extreme Bible-thumping, you renounce Jesus.
How Christian of you.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Liberals only dig when they're making dimwhitted attacks against conservatives; they don't dig when it's time to defend their faulty
logic.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-
Yea but the president has the power to make a law on-the-fly with what
we call "executive orders." He has ordered some doozies too!
Ahhh... Now I'm sure you are a Leftie since you've taken an an irrational generalization and applied it to me without knowing me.
Christmas day Biden was on the phone with a citizen who wished him and
his wife a merry christmas and ended with "Lets go Brandon" Biden and
his wife laughed and said "Yes, Lets go Brandon"
Biden's Approval rating is lower than Trump's rating EVER was in the entire 4 years of his Term
ok...lets talk Congress...
Pelosi
Pelosi will not allow any congressional hearings on whether the COVID Virus came from China..why could that be?
Your original assertion was that chokeholds make "most" arrests
possible. It would follow that without chokeholds, "most" (or more than half) of all arrests would not be possible. Your source on that?
There's no race rioting in progress here anymore. All that stuff was for America to deal with so long as Trump were president.
Do you think the issues of police brutality and injustice are solved?
If their commanding officer instructed them to kill Pelosi & Pence, t they at least belong in prison for dereliction of duty.
Trump is their commander-in-chief. Why isn't he in prison?
Trump 2024 is something that lives under yours, and Alan's, beds.
Trump can't win 2024 fairly, and he knows it.
If it is not relevant, why did you bring their "temptation" up?
It is not relevant because the coup attempt did not make it that far. It is not relevant because it should have no bearing on the guilt of those who attempted the coup.
If you unsuccessfully try to rob a bank, it's irrelevant whether or not the teller would have given you all of the money, or none. You still tried to rob a bank.
The insurrection on Jan 6 was completely political, but I was talking about
the protests of 2020.
No, re-read your quote above. You said "riots." I labeled them so you can keep up.
Your being silly again.
Also, many of the people who are needy are in that situation due to their own decitions. Unless they are reeducated to not make those bad decisions just giving them what they need will not solve anything - as has been proven time and time again.
Is enabling someone's self-destruction the right thing to do?
Biden is doing such a poor job as president
Funny how y'all blame the president. Isn't it the House and the Senate that
supposed to rule the USA?
More than 700 arrests is not enough for you? Including a number for
felony charges.
Most people did not go into the capital -- your point is what? It is
the ones that did go in, that attacked guards, defaced office areas,
etc. that did the illegal things. Plus there were some who did felony offenses even before they went inside.
3. And the plants (Ray Epps?) that encouraged the Jan. 6 event
to get out of hand will have their ties to the Leftie machine shown.
What is it that makes you think that Ray Epps was a plant?
Christmas day Biden was on the phone with a citizen who wished him and his wife a merry christmas and ended with "Lets go Brandon" Biden and his wife laughed and said "Yes, Lets go Brandon"
If this was 9 months ago, I would likely agree.Trump 2024 is something that lives under yours, and Alan's, beds.Trump can't win 2024 fairly, and he knows it.
If things don't improve, and the Democrats put Biden up again, he just might.
You are the one who brought the temptation up, by asking me what IIf it is not relevant, why did you bring their "temptation" up?It is not relevant because the coup attempt did not make it that far. It not relevant because it should have no bearing on the guilt of those who attempted the coup.
If you unsuccessfully try to rob a bank, it's irrelevant whether or not teller would have given you all of the money, or none. You still tried t a bank.
thought would happen if it did get that far, so it sounds like you are
the one that needs convincing.
Your original assertion was that chokeholds make "most" arrests possible. It would follow that without chokeholds, "most" (or more th half) of all arrests would not be possible. Your source on that?Watch COPS. Watch how they arrest people; especially when people don't listen or are inhorent. Watch how they raid dwellings too; there's no
need to change any of that. When someone has a complaint, they are
welcome to complain. If there's been brutality, cities can and have been sued for it, so the solution has been there for a long time.
The only thing that might be agreeable with the bill is the bodycam requirement. That way cops can watch each other make mistakes, and learn from them.
are the same from coast to coast. And yes we require ID. Maybe that is b an the US system but "better" is subjective.
To Americans of a certain political "lean," requiring ID is racist and
you should not need one to vote.
Conservative Party). In the (fairly) recent past you had Chretien Liberals and Martin Liberals. Chretien and Martin were rivals of cour
What separates them?
In NY the liberal governor made a policy that requires healthcare
workers to prioritize covid treatments for non-white patients first. Do you think Canadians would put up with such nonsense?
When it becomes this noticeable, there's a good reason to worry. There's
a subliminal "for sale" sign on your country when you have leaders like these.
To Americans of a certain political "lean," requiring ID is racist an you should not need one to vote.
I have to laugh at some of my fellow Canadians who here in the news
about the "injust" voting laws that the evil Republicans want (i.e.
voter I.D.) and yet we have the same laws and no one thinks twice about it. You see the TV told them the Republicans were evil because they
don't want poor black Americans to vote. And if the TV tells them so
then it must be true. Or their FaceBook feed lol. Shake my head!
I have to laugh at some of my fellow Canadians who here in the news about the "injust" voting laws that the evil Republicans want (i.e. voter I.D.) and yet we have the same laws and no one thinks twice about it.
You see the TV told them the Republicans were evil because they don't want poor black Americans to vote. And if the TV tells them so then it must be true. Or their FaceBook feed lol.
Shake my head!
On 01-24-22 17:08, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Sedition <=-
More than 700 arrests is not enough for you? Including a number for
felony charges.
Most people did not go into the capital -- your point is what? It is
the ones that did go in, that attacked guards, defaced office areas,
etc. that did the illegal things. Plus there were some who did felony offenses even before they went inside.
Have they convicted anyone yet? I took that to be his point but maybe not.
3. And the plants (Ray Epps?) that encouraged the Jan. 6 event
to get out of hand will have their ties to the Leftie machine shown.
What is it that makes you think that Ray Epps was a plant?
Because he disappeared from the FBI's wanted e-poster, apparently
without being arrested or charged.
Christmas day Biden was on the phone with a citizen who wished him and his wife a merry christmas and ended with "Lets go Brandon" Biden and his wife laughed and said "Yes, Lets go Brandon"
The man is so clueless that he often repeats the "Lets go Brandon"
slogan not even knowing what it really means....
I don't believe Biden has ever repeated the phrase. Perhaps an actual event
has become distorted in the retelling.
Donald Trump was their inspiration to hang Mike Pence and
assassinate Nancy Pelosi on January 6. All of them, including
Trump, belong in prison for what they did.
If their commanding officer instructed them to kill Pelosi & Pence, then they
at least belong in prison for dereliction of duty.
Biden's Approval rating is lower than Trump's rating EVER was in the entire
4 years of his Term
Yea but the president has the power to make a law on-the-fly with what
we call "executive orders." He has ordered some doozies too!
Actually, an executive order is not law.
Only Congress can make a law.
An executive order can only direct that dept. to something.
The problem is the 4th branch of our gov't: the bureaucracy.
Over many decades, congress has illegally ceded authority to the unelected unaccountable bureaucrats who are effectively fire-proof.
So now an executive order can be made to, say, OSHA, which has been given the authority by Congress to make rules - effectively creating law without Congress - which is unconstitutional.
Biden's Approval rating is lower than Trump's rating EVER was in the
entire 4 years of his Term
This is demonstrably false. Biden's current approval rating is 40%. Trump's
lowest approval rating was 34%.
ok...lets talk Congress...
Pelosi
Pelosi will not allow any congressional hearings on whether the COVID
Virus came from China..why could that be?
No one disputes that the COVID outbreak originated in Wuhan, China.
Congressional hearings on that would be pointless.
No one has proven the COVID outbreak originated in Wuhan, China.ok...lets talk Congress...No one disputes that the COVID outbreak originated in Wuhan, China.
Pelosi
Pelosi will not allow any congressional hearings on whether the COVI
Virus came from China..why could that be?
It is merely a guess.
Biden is doing such a poor job as president
Funny how y'all blame the president. Isn't it the House and theSenate that
supposed to rule the USA?
Which is also run by Democrats right now.
More than 700 arrests is not enough for you? Including a number for
felony charges.
Most people did not go into the capital -- your point is what? It is
the ones that did go in, that attacked guards, defaced office areas,
etc. that did the illegal things. Plus there were some who did felony
offenses even before they went inside.
Have they convicted anyone yet?
Pence, tIf their commanding officer instructed them to kill Pelosi &
they at least belong in prison for dereliction of duty.
Trump is their commander-in-chief. Why isn't he in prison?
The DNC can pay Rona McDaniel to nominate the orange assclown for one final
performance under the big top, that way the media can finally crush him for
good.
I have to laugh at some of my fellow Canadians who here in the news about
the
"injust" voting laws that the evil Republicans want (i.e. voter I.D.) and
yet
we have the same laws and no one thinks twice about it.
Who said voter ID was bad? That's a right wing talking point.
Of course the gumint will be sure to give all the voters an ID, right?
No I did not screw up the story...he laughed and said "Yes, Lets go Brandon". but of course I would not expect anyone from the left to admit that. I heard the recording of the call and heard what was actually
said not what I wanted to hear like lefties always do
40% according to what left leaning survey?
it would not be pointless...if the truth came out in a congressional hearing then Biden and Pelosi would have to hold China accountable and make them pay. This is what they do NOT want because they are in
China's pocket.
Trump did hold them accountable and and put heavy tariffs on products
made in China. The first thing Biden did was remove those tariffs since his son has investments with a Chinese company with direct ties to the Chinese Communist Party and Pelosi has also profited from China as well
as many other left politicians
Of course, when the story was proven false, it just got black holed and
no apology was offered.
So now an executive order can be made to, say, OSHA, which has been
given the authority by Congress to make rules - effectively creating law without Congress - which is unconstitutional.
I have to laugh at some of my fellow Canadians who here in the news
about the "injust" voting laws that the evil Republicans want (i.e.
voter I.D.) and yet we have the same laws and no one thinks twice about it. You see the TV told them the Republicans were evil because they
don't want poor black Americans to vote. And if the TV tells them so
then it must be true. Or their FaceBook feed lol. Shake my head!
What separates them?
the MP's who had to pick sides and then may have gotten no favours (back benchers) from one or the other when they were PM.
Yes we would and we did. Indigenous Canadians were given priority for vaccines (we had a big shortage for several months in the beginning as
our PM dropped the ball). My own province lost part of its allotment
early on for it to go to the Indigenous population in Nunavut. There
Oh we're for sale alright. To China. Canada just approved the sale of a lithium mine to China and didn't even conduct a national security/impact assessment. Just rubber stamped it. Our PM and his government have been
assessment. Just rubber stamped it. Our PM and his government have been very weak with China. While the four other 5-eyes nations have banned Huawei from implementing their 5G in their respective countries, Justin Trudeau still hasn't made a decision.
crime. But you didn't even know that much. How much does it take to convince you a crime was committed? Actually, several crimes ...
Biden's Approval rating is lower than Trump's rating EVER was in the entire
4 years of his Term
You are full of fucking shit.
The Congress is comprised of Democrats, Republicans, and independents.
I heard the same statistics as Robert; that Biden has the lowest ratings since the advent of presidential approval ratings.Biden's Approval rating is lower than Trump's rating EVER was in entireYou are full of fucking shit.
4 years of his Term
It depends on where you get your statistics from, I suppose.
I have to laugh at some of my fellow Canadians who here in the news abou "injust" voting laws that the evil Republicans want (i.e. voter I.D.) an we have the same laws and no one thinks twice about it.
Who said voter ID was bad? That's a right wing talking point.
Of course the gumint will be sure to give all the voters an ID, right?
You see the TV told them the Republicans were evil because they don't wa poor black Americans to vote. And if the TV tells them so then it must true. Or their FaceBook feed lol.
It wasn't the TV that said it, it was republicans. I didn't even mention the sanitizing of history. The rupublican party today isn't really about anything at all. Not law and order, not voting rights, not democracy.
Yes we would and we did. Indigenous Canadians were given priority for vaccines (we had a big shortage for several months in the beginning a our PM dropped the ball). My own province lost part of its allotment early on for it to go to the Indigenous population in Nunavut. There
At least by prioritizing natives, you're actually protecting a vulnerable population. Natives make up something like 1% of the USA's population (probably similar in Canada) so prioritizing them wouldn't hurt others much anyway. But blacks are the 2nd most common color in the USA, so
they are stepping on the backs (not blaming them for it) of natives. The reason? You probably already know: Blacks are the 2nd largest voting population too. Our governor (NY gov Hochul) seems to think that black people are generally selfish enough to feel more entitled to lifesaving care than other colors are, or at least she's encouraging them to feel that way, but evil never prevails.
Oh we're for sale alright. To China. Canada just approved the sale lithium mine to China and didn't even conduct a national security/imp assessment. Just rubber stamped it. Our PM and his government have be
It's going to be even more awkward when Canada starts buying lithium from China; the shipping costs should be quite affordable!
40% according to what left leaning survey?
First, learn to quote, man.
Second. according to an average of all surveys. There were left-leaning surveys that had Biden's rating higher, and right-leaning surveys that had his approval lower. The appropriate way to neutralize both biases is to use
a
weighted average, which was done.
It sounds like you're the one picking and choosing which polls to use.
To Americans of a certain political "lean," requiring ID is racist and you should not need one to vote.
I have to laugh at some of my fellow Canadians who here in the news about the njust" voting laws that the evil Republicans want (i.e. voter I.D.) and yet we
ave the same laws and no one thinks twice about it. You see the TV told them e Republicans were evil because they don't want poor black Americans to vote. nd if the TV tells them so then it must be true. Or their FaceBook feed lol. hake my head!
Have they convicted anyone yet? I took that to be his point but maybe not.
Yes. Many have pleaded guilty. I think that the maximum sentence so
far is 3 to 4 years.
I would be ok with it *if*:
People were issued national government IDs on the day they were born with no action required on anyone's part; a government ID would suffice for all voting
purposes -- no voter registration would be needed, ever; a secure system was available for people to vote from home or virtually anywhere else using their government ID; a national system was in place to make sure that no one
voted in more than once, anywhere; and 24-hour voting was available for two full weeks before election day.
I have to laugh at some of my fellow Canadians who here in the news about th
"injust" voting laws that the evil Republicans want (i.e. voter I.D.) and ye
we have the same laws and no one thinks twice about it.
Who said voter ID was bad? That's a right wing talking point.
Second. according to an average of all surveys. There were left-leani surveys that had Biden's rating higher, and right-leaning surveys tha his approval lower. The appropriate way to neutralize both biases is useI quoted Gallup poll, which has been keeping president job approval ratings since 1938. Trump had the lowest average job approval rating
a
weighted average, which was done.
It sounds like you're the one picking and choosing which polls to use
in history, and was the *only* president who never had a job approval rating of 50% during his entire term in office.
To vote in Kentucky, a photo ID has been required since the 1980's *at least*. I never heard of it being any kind of issue, or any type of injustice to minorities until other states (some which apparentlyTo Americans of a certain political "lean," requiring ID is racist you should not need one to vote.I have to laugh at some of my fellow Canadians who here in the news abou njust" voting laws that the evil Republicans want (i.e. voter I.D.) and we
ave the same laws and no one thinks twice about it. You see the TV told e Republicans were evil because they don't want poor black Americans to nd if the TV tells them so then it must be true. Or their FaceBook feed hake my head!
required next to nothing) decided that maybe they need to be more
careful about what is allowed.
I would be ok with it *if*:In most places, you are issued the tools to get one (a birth certificate) when you are born.
People were issued national government IDs on the day they were born wit action required on anyone's part; a government ID would suffice for all voting
purposes -- no voter registration would be needed, ever; a secure system available for people to vote from home or virtually anywhere else using government ID; a national system was in place to make sure that no one voted in more than once, anywhere; and 24-hour voting was available for full weeks before election day.
What I see here is an eventual reason for complaints. Instead of it
being "they don't have a means to get one" (actually false), the
narrative would become "they don't have a means to get an updated/replacement one" (which would also probably be false).
A birth certificate is good, but not good enough to vote, I'm afraid.
On 01-25-22 16:32, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Sedition <=-
Have they convicted anyone yet? I took that to be his point but maybe not.
Yes. Many have pleaded guilty. I think that the maximum sentence so
far is 3 to 4 years.
If they are pleading out, they must believe there is enough evidence against them to be convicted even if they don't. That tells me that
some people did some things that were wrong and they know it.
On 01-25-22 08:50, Robert Ethridge <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Sedition <=-
40% according to what left leaning survey?
Oh we're for sale alright. To China. Canada just approved the saleof a
lithium mine to China and didn't even conduct a nationalsecurity/impact
assessment. Just rubber stamped it. Our PM and his government havebeen
It's going to be even more awkward when Canada starts buying lithium from China; the shipping costs should be quite affordable!
crime. But you didn't even know that much. How much does it take to
convince you a crime was committed? Actually, several crimes ...
I'm convinced that they are guilty of crimes, but I'm also convinced that Democrats and the media are turning it into a bigger deal than it really is.
"I'm no longer able to achieve and maintain an erection since the January 6
attack."
The bottom line is:
"Conservatives and/or Republican sympathizers have sexually assaulted democracy."
theBiden's Approval rating is lower than Trump's rating EVER was in
entire
4 years of his Term
You are full of fucking shit.
I heard the same statistics as Robert; that Biden has the lowest ratings since the advent of presidential approval ratings.
It depends on where you get your statistics from, I suppose.
The Congress is comprised of Democrats, Republicans, and independents.
There are 4 independents, but those 4 members depend on Democrat policies.
Who said voter ID was bad? That's a right wing talking point.
Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not lol.
Of course the gumint will be sure to give all the voters an ID, right?
Where else do you get ID?
You see the TV told them the Republicans were evil because they don't wa >> > poor black Americans to vote. And if the TV tells them so then it must
true. Or their FaceBook feed lol.
It wasn't the TV that said it, it was republicans. I didn't even mention
the sanitizing of history. The rupublican party today isn't really about
anything at all. Not law and order, not voting rights, not democracy.
I don't recall Republicans calling themselves evil. As for the party itself, it is as dysfunctional as the Democrats. Term limits would probably fix that.
Who said voter ID was bad? That's a right wing talking point.
Um, no it isn't. "Voting with little or no ID = bad" is a right-wing talking point.
The POTUS inciting a riot would be minor in comparison to havingcrime. But you didn't even know that much. How much does it take toI'm convinced that they are guilty of crimes, but I'm also convinced Democrats and the media are turning it into a bigger deal than it rea is.
convince you a crime was committed? Actually, several crimes ...
committed acts of sedition. Which is a very big deal, amounting to treason. Do you know what the penalty for treason is in the state
of Louisiana? Death.
As for prioritization to protect the vulnerable, I think that is the problem (those who actually had a problem with it) people have. For example, Nova Scotia has the most octogenarians per capita in Canada. Clearly they should have been prioritized ALONG with natives who were elderly etc. Still, not many complained.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I saw some headlines a few days ago about "January 6 White House
documents to be released against Trump's request to keep them sealed."
Supposedly these documents are going to bring Trump to his knees,
and/or implicate him in the riot - but I don't think so! It's just headline hype.
Doug McComber wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
I don't recall Republicans calling themselves evil. As for the party itself, it is as dysfunctional as the Democrats. Term limits would probably fix that.
As for prioritization to protect the vulnerable, I think that is the problem (those who actually had a problem with it) people have. For example, Nova Scotia has the most octogenarians per capita in Canada. Clearly they should have been prioritized ALONG with natives who were elderly etc. Still, not many complained.You're damn right. Inequality is inequality. Nobody is more "vulnerable" based on their skin color, but the NY governor Hochul & US president
Biden disagree.
Elderly people, people with chornic lung disease, those are the ones who should be prioritized; regardless of color.
Democrats and the media are turning it into a bigger deal than it rea is.
The POTUS inciting a riot would be minor in comparison to having
committed acts of sedition. Which is a very big deal, amounting to
I heard the same statistics as Robert; that Biden has the lowest rati since the advent of presidential approval ratings.
Which clown told you that load of BS? Was it Bill O'Reilly?
Or was it Donald Trump? I heard the two of them are on tour
together, so sometimes it is hard to tell.
It depends on where you get your statistics from, I suppose.
I do not listen to the orange clown known as Donald Trump.
I think ID is OK as long as voters have access to the ID and it isn't
used as a eans to supress the vote.
Treason is the only crime for which the Constitution prescribes a
penalty, and that penalty is death.
more thYour original assertion was that chokeholds make "most" arrests
possible. It would follow that without chokeholds, "most" (or
half) of all arrests would not be possible. Your source on that?
Watch COPS. Watch how they arrest people; especially when peopledon't
listen or are inhorent. Watch how they raid dwellings too; there's nobeen
need to change any of that. When someone has a complaint, they are
welcome to complain. If there's been brutality, cities can and have
sued for it, so the solution has been there for a long time.
Seriously? You want to base national police policy on REALITY TV?
Have you considered what COPS *doesn't* show you? What ends up on the cutting room floor because it wasn't sensational enough?
racist anTo Americans of a certain political "lean," requiring ID is
you should not need one to vote.
Specifically, government-issued photo ID.
I have to laugh at some of my fellow Canadians who here in the newsabout
about the "injust" voting laws that the evil Republicans want (i.e.
voter I.D.) and yet we have the same laws and no one thinks twice
it. You see the TV told them the Republicans were evil because they
don't want poor black Americans to vote. And if the TV tells them so
then it must be true. Or their FaceBook feed lol. Shake my head!
I would be ok with it *if*:
People were issued national government IDs on the day they were born with no
action required on anyone's part; a government ID would suffice for all voting
purposes -- no voter registration would be needed, ever; a secure system was
available for people to vote from home or virtually anywhere else using their
government ID; a national system was in place to make sure that no one voted in more than once, anywhere; and 24-hour voting was available for two
full weeks before election day.
If a government-issued ID is enough to make those things possible, then I would support it.
If it's just another hoop to make the poor, disadvantaged, disabled, etc., jump through, then it's useless.
All a voter ID does right now is make sure that the name on the ID is in the
voter rolls and hasn't voted yet, the same as any other ID would.
IDs can be forged, and all one has to do is a) make sure the name on the forged ID is in the voter rolls, and b) get there before the other person does.
There's also the issue of *which* IDs are valid for voting.
Here in Texas, a concealed-carry permit is acceptable, but a student ID issued by a state university is not.
It's almost as if they wanted to make it easier for gun owners to vote and more difficult for young people to vote, isn't it?
No one has proven the COVID outbreak originated in Wuhan, China.
It is merely a guess.
The site of the first documented COVID-19 outbreak was in Wuhan. Whether that's where the virus ultimately originated is unknown, but is believed to
be relatively close by, in China at least.
Of course the gumint will be sure to give all the voters an ID, right?
Where else do you get ID?
I don't recall Republicans calling themselves evil. As for the party itself,
it is as dysfunctional as the Democrats.
Term limits would probably fix that.
Treason is the only crime for which the Constitution prescribes a penalty, and that penalty is death.If you kill Trump, the media will die too.
Not all states require photo ID. The reason why Republicans wantracist anTo Americans of a certain political "lean," requiring ID is
Specifically, government-issued photo ID.you should not need one to vote.
to make photo ID mandatory is voter suppression. Making it more
difficult for those who are less well-off gives their rich friends
an unfair advantage to win elections. This amounts to 2%-3% of the
vote, which could be the difference between winning and losing.
Other countries have such a system. And it works well. So what'sI have to laugh at some of my fellow Canadians who here in the newsabout
about the "injust" voting laws that the evil Republicans want (i.e.
voter I.D.) and yet we have the same laws and no one thinks twice
it. You see the TV told them the Republicans were evil because theyI would be ok with it *if*:
don't want poor black Americans to vote. And if the TV tells them s
then it must be true. Or their FaceBook feed lol. Shake my head!
People were issued national government IDs on the day they were born no
action required on anyone's part; a government ID would suffice for a voting
purposes -- no voter registration would be needed, ever; a secure sys was
available for people to vote from home or virtually anywhere else usi their
government ID; a national system was in place to make sure that no on voted in more than once, anywhere; and 24-hour voting was available f two
full weeks before election day.
If a government-issued ID is enough to make those things possible, th would support it.
the problem?
take tocrime. But you didn't even know that much. How much does it
...convince you a crime was committed? Actually, several crimes
convincedI'm convinced that they are guilty of crimes, but I'm also
it reaDemocrats and the media are turning it into a bigger deal than
is.
The POTUS inciting a riot would be minor in comparison to having
committed acts of sedition. Which is a very big deal, amounting to
treason. Do you know what the penalty for treason is in the state
of Louisiana? Death.
Treason is the only crime for which the Constitution prescribes a penalty, and that penalty is death.
it reaDemocrats and the media are turning it into a bigger deal than
is.
The POTUS inciting a riot would be minor in comparison to having
committed acts of sedition. Which is a very big deal, amounting to
It's boring news. People who still have TDS want to see him go to jail, but
you know that will never happen. The media is creating the illusion that your
fantasies can come true.
I think ID is OK as long as voters have access to the ID and it isn't
used as a eans to supress the vote.
That's what the debate is about. In the USA, we do NOT currently ask voters
for ID.
Treason is the only crime for which the Constitution prescribes a
penalty, and that penalty is death.
If you kill Trump, the media will die too.
The Congress determines the penalty, which can be death.The POTUS inciting a riot would be minor in comparison to havingTreason is the only crime for which the Constitution prescribes a pen and that penalty is death.
committed acts of sedition. Which is a very big deal, amounting to
treason. Do you know what the penalty for treason is in the state
of Louisiana? Death.
The US Constitution, Article III.
Elderly people, people with chornic lung disease, those are the ones should be prioritized; regardless of color.
They should be, and are, prioritized as well.
But skin color should be a factor? What about an albino black man trying to get covid treatment in short supply? He's gonna be rejected for "looking like a cracker."Elderly people, people with chornic lung disease, those are the should be prioritized; regardless of color.They should be, and are, prioritized as well.
It always has been wherever I voted. We've always had to have a photoTo vote in Kentucky, a photo ID has been required since the 1980's least*. I never heard of it being any kind of issue, or any type o injustice to minorities until other states (some which apparently required next to nothing) decided that maybe they need to be more careful about what is allowed.Kentucky passed their Voter ID law in 2020. Photo ID may very well have *accepted* prior to that, but it was not *required*.
ID. Even when they used to send out the registration cards, I was never able to present one without a photo ID.
The difference between 2020 and other years was that the photo ID had to be a driver's license or equivalent. I assumed this was because of
COVID as they needed to be able to scan the multi-dimensional barcode on the back through the plexiglass enclosure they were in, but I guess the law changed.
Now, if you used a mail-in ballot, like I did in the primary, you didn't need the photo ID. I also could have sent in the two additional ballot request forms I received, for a dead person and another that has been
out of state for 10+ years, but I did not.
To vote in Kentucky, a photo ID has been required since the 1980's *at least*. I never heard of it being any kind of issue, or any type of injustice to minorities until other states (some which apparently required next to nothing) decided that maybe they need to be more careful about what is allowed.
Kentucky passed their Voter ID law in 2020. Photo ID may very well have been *accepted* prior to that, but it was not *required*.
I would be ok with it *if*:In most places, you are issued the tools to get one (a birth certificate)
People were issued national government IDs on the day they were born wi
action required on anyone's part; a government ID would suffice for all
voting
purposes -- no voter registration would be needed, ever; a secure syste
available for people to vote from home or virtually anywhere else using
government ID; a national system was in place to make sure that no one voted in more than once, anywhere; and 24-hour voting was available for
full weeks before election day.
when you are born.
A birth certificate is good, but not good enough to vote, I'm afraid.
What I see here is an eventual reason for complaints. Instead of it being "they don't have a means to get one" (actually false), the narrative would become "they don't have a means to get an updated/replacement one" (which would also probably be false).
Everyone has "the means" to gett one; the question is, does "the means" put an undue burden on them?
Who said voter ID was bad? That's a right wing talking point.
Um, no it isn't. "Voting with little or no ID = bad" is a right-wing talkin
point.
Id is not a bad thing. Voter suppression is.
Who is the authority? Voter suppression is bad however it is implemented. If y
are going to require ID what kind of ID? The usual ID I use is my drivers lic
ce but not everyone has one.
I think ID is OK as long as voters have access to the ID and it isn't used as eans to supress the vote.
You're damn right. Inequality is inequality. Nobody is more "vulnerable" based
on their skin color, but the NY governor Hochul & US president Biden disagree.
You're damn right. Inequality is inequality. Nobody is more "vulnerable" based on their skin color, but the NY governor Hochul & US president Biden disagree.
The data also disagrees with you.
It is used to get a driver's license, and a passport, which are.In most places, you are issued the tools to get one (a birth certificate)A birth certificate is good, but not good enough to vote, I'm afraid.
when you are born.
Everyone has "the means" to gett one; the question is, does "the means" an undue burden on them?I do not think it does now, but I am not one who dreams of a
future that involves ID-less voting everywhere, or who has ever stated that he could get around in life without a government-issued photo ID being required to do *anything*.
Several months ago, the spin was that people of color don't trust the government and therefore won't get the shot. However, unlike persons of non-color who also don't trust the government, they are not looked down upon for it.You're damn right. Inequality is inequality. Nobody is more "vulner based on their skin color, but the NY governor Hochul & US presiden Biden disagree.The data also disagrees with you.
If that is really the reason their vax rate is lower and, therefore,
COVID rate is higher, why should they get priority? Shouldn't they just have gone along with it and got the shot like Aaron and Ron should have, so they wouldn't be in need of theraputics?
So, since you are required to have one in Canada, do you feel suppressed?
I think ID is OK as long as voters have access to the ID and it isn't used >> as a means to supress the vote.
In most states, you could get a non-driver's ID that you can use as your "government issued" photo ID. If you were a non-driver, you *used* to need them to write a check. You also needed them at places that allowed you to cash checks. You got these non-driver IDs at the same place that others would get their driver's licenses. As of sometime recent, or soon, you will now need your driver's license, or the equivalent non-driver ID, to board a plane, even a domestic flight, unless you have a passport (which is another valid government issued photo ID).
The people linking the government issued photo ID to voter suppression are trying to make it sound like voters don't have access to them. If they
don't have access to them, there are a whole lot of things they cannot do which they likely need to do beyond voting.
Who said voter ID was bad? That's a right wing talking point.
Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not lol.
No it's not sarcasm. ID is not a bad thing. I have a few ID cards.
Where else do you get ID?
Who is the authority? Voter suppression is bad however it is
implemented. If you are going to require ID what kind of ID? The usual
ID I use is my drivers licence but not everyone has one.
I think ID is OK as long as voters have access to the ID and it isn't
used as a eans to supress the vote.
I don't recall Republicans calling themselves evil. As for the party its it is as dysfunctional as the Democrats. Term limits would probably fix
No, they don't say that but we can all see what they say, do, do not.
Sort of get rid of career politicians all together.
It's the same here. There is a BC ID that looks like a drivers licence
but it isn't but it is the gov't issued ID. It's not free.
The people linking the government issued photo ID to voter suppression a trying to make it sound like voters don't have access to them. If they don't have access to them, there are a whole lot of things they cannot d which they likely need to do beyond voting.
That could be the case for folks who don't live in the big city. Here in BC there are lots of small and remote communities. Some people don't
have a street address, they live in the house by the oak tree.
Things like having a gov't issued ID are not priority items in these
back woods places like they are in the city.
Okay Al, you're also from Canada so you know very well the huge list of
ID Canadians can use to vote. You also know some of that ID can be had
for free. You really think it is different in US states that require ID?
From elections.ca, a list of acceptable ID[a list of over 50 acceptable documents]
Other pieces of ID may be added. We accept e-statements and e-invoices. Print them or show them on a mobile device.
Who is the authority? Voter suppression is bad however it is
implemented. If you are going to require ID what kind of ID? The usual
ID I use is my drivers licence but not everyone has one.
Okay Al, you're also from Canada so you know very well the huge list of ID Canadians can use to vote. You also know some of that ID can be had for free. You really think it is different in US states that require ID?
I think ID is OK as long as voters have access to the ID and it isn't
used as a eans to supress the vote.
They do and it isn't.
No, they don't say that but we can all see what they say, do, do not.
Well, we all see what we want to see or what whichever medium we are consuming wants us to see.
From elections.ca, a list of acceptable ID (note if you don't have photo ID you need to show two pieces from the list below and one needs to have your address if you don't have that but someone with an address can vouch for you you are good to go):
Not all states require photo ID. The reason why Republicans want
to make photo ID mandatory is voter suppression. Making it more
difficult for those who are less well-off gives their rich friends
an unfair advantage to win elections. This amounts to 2%-3% of the
vote, which could be the difference between winning and losing.
utilitybill(e.g.:electricity; water; telecommunications services including telephone, cable or satellite)
Not all states require photo ID. The reason why Republicans wantOnly rich people have photo ID, right?
to make photo ID mandatory is voter suppression. Making it more difficult for those who are less well-off gives their rich friends
an unfair advantage to win elections. This amounts to 2%-3% of the vote, which could be the difference between winning and losing.
If a government-issued ID is enough to make those things possible,
then I would support it.
havingThe POTUS inciting a riot would be minor in comparison to
tocommitted acts of sedition. Which is a very big deal, amounting
statetreason. Do you know what the penalty for treason is in the
of Louisiana? Death.
a penTreason is the only crime for which the Constitution prescribes
and that penalty is death.
The Congress determines the penalty, which can be death.
The US Constitution, Article III.
How does that play out in Louisiana?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
Nobody listens to Trump, except for the media.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
That's what the debate is about. In the USA, we do NOT currently ask voters for ID. When they go to the polling place, the poll worker asks
the voter for their name and address. The poll worker checks a huge
pile of papers for the name/address, and if it's on there, then they
hand you a ballot. If it's not on there, then you don't get to vote.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
If you kill Trump, the media will die too.
Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-
same place that others would get their driver's licenses. As of
sometime recent, or soon, you will now need your driver's license, or
the equivalent non-driver ID, to board a plane, even a domestic flight, unless you have a passport (which is another valid government issued
photo ID).
It's not specifically based on skin color; that's your misinterpretation. It's based on factors such as being "African-American."
I was reading today that one of her recent policies was either deemed unconstitutional or illegal. I don't remember which policy but figure
you will know. :)
So, since you are required to have one in Canada, do you feel suppressed
No. I haven't voted in person in some years. I request a mail in ballot and they send it to me, I mark it and send it back. No issues.
your address, if you don't have that but someone with an address can
vouch for you you are good to go):
It's not specifically based on skin color; that's your misinterpretat It's based on factors such as being "African-American."It's specifically based on skin color; it's in the guidelines. You're thinking of something else. http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_1 pdf
It's not specifically based on skin color; that's your misinterpretat It's based on factors such as being "African-American."It's specifically based on skin color; it's in the guidelines. You're thinking of something else.
your address, if you don't have that but someone with an address can vouch for you you are good to go):Holy crap! That's a long list!
Can you use all that junk to buy beer? Library card? LOL!
What would stop a person from voting with their drivers license in the morning, and then casting a 2nd vote with their library card later in the day?
Needless to say, my PDF was accepted. But then they insisted on me sending a photo of my credit card, both sides (claiming money laundering laws), so obviously I closed that contact swiftly. But they kept phoning me for more than a year.
your address, if you don't have that but someone with an address can vouch for you you are good to go):
Holy crap! That's a long list!
Can you use all that junk to buy beer? Library card? LOL!
What would stop a person from voting with their drivers license in the morning, and then casting a 2nd vote with their library card later in the day?
I do not think it does now, but I am not one who dreams of a
future that involves ID-less voting everywhere, or who has ever stated that he could get around in life without a government-issued photo ID being required to do *anything*.
It is possible to survive without a government-issued photo ID. Just ask the right-wing "sovereign citizens" if you doubt it.
Okay Al, you're also from Canada so you know very well the huge list of ID Canadians can use to vote. You also know some of that ID can be had for free. You really think it is different in US states that require ID?
It is quite different, as none of the options are free.
That's quite a list. Here is the list of acceptable voter IDs in Texas:
Texas Driver License
Texas Election ID Certificate
Texas Personal ID Card
Texas Handgun License
U.S. Citizenship Certificate with Photo
U.S. Military ID Card with Photo
U.S. Passport (Book or Card)
That's it.
If a government-issued ID is enough to make those things possible,
then I would support it.
I find it interesting that a developed country like the USA is not able to pro
de all citizens with appropriate photo documents without major obstacles.
Here in Austria, EVERY eligible voter has either an ID card, a driver's licens
or a passport. And every citizen is also registered in their place of residen
in the population register to be able to vote. In this way, it is not only en
red that only authorized people are allowed to vote. But of course this also s
ves to enable the local municipalities to collect the corresponding taxes.
An ID card and a driver's license costs the equivalent of $40 once, a passport
osts $80 every 10 years - administrative costs.
I have read this many times now and I am still amazed that, for example, not e
ry US citizen has a passport. This represents almost a basic right for us for ee worldwide travel.
By the way, it is similar to Austria in practically all EU countries and also
Great Britain. In my opinion, this is also the only comprehensible way to rea
y rule out manipulation in elections. That's why election results are practica
y never contested here (not even by the right-wing populists, who of course ar
also present in our country).
But if you don't have ID, then they look you up manually. I believe that you have to sign something that says you attest that you are who claim to be.
If you aren't in the voter rolls, then there's another process still, but I haven't seen that first hand.
Holy crap! That's a long list!
Can you use all that junk to buy beer? Library card? LOL!
What would stop a person from voting with their drivers license in the morning, and then casting a 2nd vote with their library card later in the day?
I found the guidelines and they state that "Non-white race or Hispanic/Latino ethnicity should be considered a risk factor, as longstanding systemic health and socialinequities have contributed to an increased risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19."
Non-white *race*. Not non-white *skin*.
They don't vote, or participate in society, and they are not the one who claimed in this echo that he never needed his goverment-issued drivers license for anything.I do not think it does now, but I am not one who dreams of aIt is possible to survive without a government-issued photo ID. Just ask right-wing "sovereign citizens" if you doubt it.
future that involves ID-less voting everywhere, or who has ever sta that he could get around in life without a government-issued photo being required to do *anything*.
Well, unless you are one of these non-participating sovereigns?
That is where the Democrats fumble. Instead of coming up with a government-issued free (or cheap) alternative photo ID, their solutionOkay Al, you're also from Canada so you know very well the huge lis ID Canadians can use to vote. You also know some of that ID can be for free. You really think it is different in US states that requirIt is quite different, as none of the options are free.
is "we shouldn't have to have one at all."
With states going to Real ID, there is a whole lot of their former ID making equipment that is no longer being used. In my state, there would be at least 120 sets of them, as each county issued the former version
of the drivers license, and several of the larger counties had multiple facilities.
As it is, we are not reusing that equipment, but the state has mobile ID centers that are designed to show up, like the old book mobile, in rural and other supposedly underserved areas to make sure that everyone has access to the new Real ID or the alternative newer drivers license.
Kentucky is not a wealthy state. Imagine what a state with a lot more money than Kentucky could do if the politicians who oppose government-issued photo IDs would actually come up with a decent
solution. But coming up with a solution is not their point.
Major obstacles only exist in the minds of people like Jeff who think you shouldn't need a photo ID for anything.If a government-issued ID is enough to make those things possible, then I would support it.I find it interesting that a developed country like the USA is not able pro
de all citizens with appropriate photo documents without major obstacles
You have to go somewhere to get an ID card, driver's license, or
passport, right? People who claim "there are obstacles" claim that having to go somewhere is an "obstacle," and that needing to pay even an administrative fee is an "obstacle."
Getting a passport is a choice. Many people in the US don't travel out
of the country so they don't need one. It is not difficult to get one. If you have enough money to travel internationally, you can afford one. Most people just don't need them. I have one because you need one to
get back into the USA from Canada.
I found the guidelines and they state that "Non-white race or Hispanic/L ethnicity should be considered a risk factor, as longstanding systemic h and socialinequities have contributed to an increased risk of severe ill and death from COVID-19."So what is your definition of "white race"? I think white skin is a
Non-white *race*. Not non-white *skin*.
major determiniation of "white race." I cannot think of any other determination that would rival white skin.
What would stop a person from voting with their drivers license in th morning, and then casting a 2nd vote with their library card later in day?Well they have voter rolls. When you go to the polling station they
cross you off their list before they hand you the ballot. You can't go
to any polling station you want either, there is a specific one. Each registered voter is mailed a voter registration card before the election and it specifies exactly which polling station to go to.
No. I haven't voted in person in some years. I request a mail in ballot
and they send it to me, I mark it and send it back. No issues.
Do they give you some kind of receipt or tracking # for your ballot? So that you can verify that your vote was counted?
Someone told me that you can do that here, but I still have not figured out how to do it.
And do you have to register to vote? Or are you automatically ready to vote/registered as soon as you're old enough?
Can you use all that junk to buy beer? Library card? LOL!
What would stop a person from voting with their drivers license in th morning, and then casting a 2nd vote with their library card later in day?
Presumably they check information against a list of eligible voters and note who has already voted, same as here. It's not that difficult.
What would stop a person from voting with their drivers license in the morning, and then casting a 2nd vote with their library card later in th day?
Don't know about Canada, or New York, but you sign the register the first time and your spot would already be signed the second time.
So what is your definition of "white race"? I think white skin is a
major determiniation of "white race." I cannot think of any other determination that would rival white skin.
Well they have voter rolls. When you go to the polling station they
cross you off their list before they hand you the ballot. You can't go
to any polling station you want either, there is a specific one. Each registered voter is mailed a voter registration card before the election and it specifies exactly which polling station to go to.
As Aaron pointed out, albino African-Americans are still African-Americans. "White race" is usually used to refer to Caucasians, albeit often with a negative connotation, while "non-white race" is used to refer to non-Caucasians.
You presume too much, that's why I asked an actual Canadian. It's difficult to know all the answers without asking questions.Can you use all that junk to buy beer? Library card? LOL!Presumably they check information against a list of eligible voters a note who has already voted, same as here. It's not that difficult.
What would stop a person from voting with their drivers license morning, and then casting a 2nd vote with their library card lat day?
So what is your definition of "white race"? I think white skin is a major determiniation of "white race." I cannot think of any other determination that would rival white skin.I'm wondering what his definition is for "full of crap?" It's definitely different from mine.
Well they have voter rolls. When you go to the polling station they cross you off their list before they hand you the ballot. You can't to any polling station you want either, there is a specific one. Each registered voter is mailed a voter registration card before the elect and it specifies exactly which polling station to go to.That process is similar here. While there's a way to stop the same
person from voting twice, obviously there are still other
vulnerabilities. How enraged would people in your community be if they were suddenly required to show ID at the polls?
As Aaron pointed out, albino African-Americans are still African-Americans. "White race" is usually used to refer to Caucasian albeit often with a negative connotation, while "non-white race" is u to refer to non-Caucasians.How are the albino black guys gonna prove to the hospital staff that they ain't no white cracker? We don't put race or color on the drivers
licenses in New York; that gets left to the imagination.
Gov Hochul's guidelines call for medical professionals to look at the patient's skin color and determine whether or not the patient's skin
color is deserving of covid treatment.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-
She made a mask mandate for indoor settings, which is great, except
it's stupid because it was set to expire on March 1st. ("Everybody wear masks for 6 weeks and then stop because everything will be fixed in 6 weeks.")
Several months ago, disgraced Democrat Governor Cuomo made a mask
mandate, it seemed to work nicely, so then he ended it (Democrat
logic.) Then, Kathy Hochul says "Let's try it again but this time we'll
do it for even less time." (More Democrat logic.)
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
Do they give you some kind of receipt or tracking # for your ballot? So that you can verify that your vote was counted?
And do you have to register to vote? Or are you automatically ready to vote/registered as soon as you're old enough?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Doug McComber <=-
That process is similar here. While there's a way to stop the same
person from voting twice, obviously there are still other
vulnerabilities. How enraged would people in your community be if they were suddenly required to show ID at the polls?
So what is your definition of "white race"? I think white skin is a
major determiniation of "white race." I cannot think of any other
determination that would rival white skin.
I'm wondering what his definition is for "full of crap?" It's definitely different from mine.
They don't vote, or participate in society, and they are not the one who claimed in this echo that he never needed his goverment-issued drivers license for anything.
I didn't claim that I don't need my driver's license for anything, only that one is not needed to survive. It doesn't matter whether the "sovereign citizens" vote or participatie in society; the fact remains that they are able
to survive without a driver's license.
That is where the Democrats fumble. Instead of coming up with a government-issued free (or cheap) alternative photo ID, their solution is "we shouldn't have to have one at all."
Actually, this is where the Republicans fumble. They pass a law requiring photo ID without making sure that everyone is able to get one.
Kentucky is not a wealthy state. Imagine what a state with a lot more money than Kentucky could do if the politicians who oppose government-issued photo IDs would actually come up with a decent solution. But coming up with a solution is not their point.
It is on the people making the requirement to come up with the solution, not the people opposing the requirement.
I found the guidelines and they state that "Non-white race or Hispanic/So what is your definition of "white race"? I think white skin is a major determiniation of "white race." I cannot think of any other determination that would rival white skin.
ethnicity should be considered a risk factor, as longstanding systemic and socialinequities have contributed to an increased risk of severe il
and death from COVID-19."
Non-white *race*. Not non-white *skin*.
As Aaron pointed out, albino African-Americans are still African-Americans. "White race" is usually used to refer to Caucasians, albeit often with a negative connotation, while "non-white race" is used to refer to non-Caucasians.
Historically, white skin was not even an adequate determinant of being "white." At various times in US history, persons of Irish or Jewish descent, among others, were not considered "white."
What would stop a person from voting with their drivers license in the morning, and then casting a 2nd vote with their library card later in t
day?
Don't know about Canada, or New York, but you sign the register the first
time and your spot would already be signed the second time.
It sounds sloppy to allow all those different documents as ID, but it's still better than what we do here in the states, just asking for name & address.
So what is your definition of "white race"? I think white skin is a major determiniation of "white race." I cannot think of any other determination that would rival white skin.
I'm wondering what his definition is for "full of crap?" It's definitely different from mine.
No, once upon a time you most certainly did claim that. I produced aThey don't vote, or participate in society, and they are not the on claimed in this echo that he never needed his goverment-issued driv license for anything.I didn't claim that I don't need my driver's license for anything, only one is not needed to survive. It doesn't matter whether the "sovereign citizens" vote or participatie in society; the fact remains that they ar able
to survive without a driver's license.
long list of things you must not ever do if you don't ever need an ID,
and you stepped it back.
We are talking about people who participate in society and want to vote, so we can discount any fringe folks who don't have an ID and won't ever vote (and must not drive and get pulled over). We can also ignore
anyone who doesn't want to use a photo ID because they are afraid that someone will match them up with a wanted poster.
Only if you believe that last bit. I believe that last bit would only be true because of what I say below.That is where the Democrats fumble. Instead of coming up with a government-issued free (or cheap) alternative photo ID, their solut is "we shouldn't have to have one at all."Actually, this is where the Republicans fumble. They pass a law requirin photo ID without making sure that everyone is able to get one.
No, it is up to the politicans on both sides to come up with a solution. When one side's solution is "let's just sit on our hands and claim thatKentucky is not a wealthy state. Imagine what a state with a lot m money than Kentucky could do if the politicians who oppose government-issued photo IDs would actually come up with a decent solution. But coming up with a solution is not their point.It is on the people making the requirement to come up with the solution, the people opposing the requirement.
we shouldn't need any photo IDs while we know the other side is
ultimately going to pass something saying we need one," this is what you get.
I cannot fully blame them because they know folks like you will buy right into their excuses and keep voting for them, even though they are not looking out for you.
When you have politicians who are willing to work together, and compromise, you get better solutions.
Albinism is an exception, and we are not talking about historically. We are talking about right now.So what is your definition of "white race"? I think white skin is major determiniation of "white race." I cannot think of any other determination that would rival white skin.As Aaron pointed out, albino African-Americans are still African-America "White race" is usually used to refer to Caucasians, albeit often with a negative connotation, while "non-white race" is used to refer to non-Caucasians.
Historically, white skin was not even an adequate determinant of being "white." At various times in US history, persons of Irish or Jewish desc among others, were not considered "white."
Basically, someone took "not white people" and wordsmithed it into "not white race" so that people like you would make excuses for them.
It sounds sloppy to allow all those different documents as ID, but it's better than what we do here in the states, just asking for name & addresIf that is what they do in your state, you have reason to be worried. They have not done it that way here in at least 30+ years.
No, it is up to the politicans on both sides to come up with a solution. When one side's solution is "let's just sit on our hands and claim that
we shouldn't need any photo IDs while we know the other side is
ultimately going to pass something saying we need one," this is what you get.
Well they have voter rolls. When you go to the polling station they cross you off their list before they hand you the ballot. You can't to any polling station you want either, there is a specific one. Each registered voter is mailed a voter registration card before the elect and it specifies exactly which polling station to go to.
That process is similar here. While there's a way to stop the same
person from voting twice, obviously there are still other
vulnerabilities. How enraged would people in your community be if they were suddenly required to show ID at the polls?
That process is similar here. While there's a way to stop the same person from voting twice, obviously there are still other vulnerabilities. How enraged would people in your community be if the were suddenly required to show ID at the polls?It already is required so we expect it. This is why I laugh at Canadians lapping up the news that Republicans want to repress certain
demographics by requiring voter ID. No one here bats an eye at the requirement. There is no movement here to eliminate photo ID (or the others that are acceptable) because it might disenfranchise a certain demographic. But heap scorn on the Republicans "down South" because
they want voter ID? Sure! lol
On 01-27-22 07:39, Michael Mrak <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Sedition <=-
I have read this many times now and I am still amazed that, for
example, not every US citizen has a passport. This represents almost a basic right for us for free worldwide travel.
I have read this many times now and I am still amazed that, for example, not every US citizen has a passport. This represents almost basic right for us for free worldwide travel.There are many people in the USA who have not traveled outside of the state where they were born. Such people have no need of a passport.
The distances and travel patterns here are probably very different than those in the EU and the rest of Europe. I have a passport, but it has
not been used for at least six years.
She made a mask mandate for indoor settings, which is great, except
it's stupid because it was set to expire on March 1st. ("Everybody wear
masks for 6 weeks and then stop because everything will be fixed in 6
weeks."
Remember "Two weeks to slow the spread"?
Several months ago, disgraced Democrat Governor Cuomo made a mask
mandate, it seemed to work nicely, so then he ended it (Democrat
logic.) Then, Kathy Hochul says "Let's try it again but this time we'll
do it for even less time." (More Democrat logic.)
Lefties don't use logic. They wet their finger, stick it in the wind to see
which way it's blowing then go in that direction.
Do they give you some kind of receipt or tracking # for your ballot? So
that you can verify that your vote was counted?
You would think this would be part of the process. You get a receipt at the
cash register. Why not at the polling place?
It would be nice to get a receipt that showed you the votes that the machine
registered for your ballot. Like the store receipt, you could review it for
accuracy and have your ballot cancelled if something was wrong.
And do you have to register to vote? Or are you automatically ready to
vote/registered as soon as you're old enough?
In my state, you have to register to vote and you have to re-register when you move because your ballot is highly dependant on where you live.
Ahem, it's not my statement, it's allegedly from Jesus.
So, in the country of extreme Bible-thumping, you renounce Jesus. How Christian of you.
Well, living in a socialist country, all I can say is, that you have
no idea. Your education is deliberately thwarted. You've been taught
that the only
kind of socialism in existence is socialist *dictatorship* (Russia,
China, Cuba) and never get to learn about socialist *democracy* (almost all European countries).
No, it is up to the politicans on both sides to come up with a solution. When one side's solution is "let's just sit on our hands and claim that we shouldn't need any photo IDs while we know the other side is ultimately going to pass something saying we need one," this is what you get.
It's very interesting that you seem to think that it's Democrats' job to fix Republican mistakes and clean up Republican messes. I mean, in practice it is;
I've just never heard a conservative admit as much before.
It already is required so we expect it. This is why I laugh at Canadians lappi
up the news that Republicans want to repress certain demographics by requirin
voter ID. No one here bats an eye at the requirement. There is no movement h
e to eliminate photo ID (or the others that are acceptable) because it might d
enfranchise a certain demographic. But heap scorn on the Republicans "down So
h" because they want voter ID? Sure! lol
Passports are not necessary to travel from state to state within the US. Thismight becomparable to traveling country to country in Europe. Texas, for example, is the size of several European countries combined. What Dale said is true, of course, but many more have not traveled outside of the US.
I, fortunately, am not among them.
So, in the country of extreme Bible-thumping, you renounce Jesus. How Christian of you.Jesus pronounced JEE-zus-uz as well as Jes£s (Hea-zus)
However within The Lutheran Church of Sweden as well as the majority of other religious places of worship the word Jesus is renounced
"pronounced" in the same bible thumping way.
Well, living in a socialist country, all I can say is, that you have no idea. Your education is deliberately thwarted. You've been taught that the onlyLook at you? Talking about socialism the way you are. Sweden is in fact, very pro-capitalism, but does have redistribution through taxes.
Personal income is taxed at a rate of 61.85 percent, plus a 7 percent social security tax rate for employees. On top of these taxes, Sweden
also has a 25 percent consumption tax.
For someone's M.O. who likes to debase and demonetize others, it is all too elementary, that what your indicating is very much so overestimating your intelligence in your suggestion that others have a education
problem.
kind of socialism in existence is socialist *dictatorship* (Russia, China, Cuba) and never get to learn about socialist *democracy* (almo all European countries).Since when is Russia socialist ?
Portugal for example is one of the most socialist countries in Europe,
and consequently one of the poorest and corrupt as well.`
I actually said "politicians on both sides" (see above) and I didn'tNo, it is up to the politicans on both sides to come up with a solu When one side's solution is "let's just sit on our hands and claim we shouldn't need any photo IDs while we know the other side is ultimately going to pass something saying we need one," this is wha get.It's very interesting that you seem to think that it's Democrats' job to Republican mistakes and clean up Republican messes. I mean, in practice is;
I've just never heard a conservative admit as much before.
call it a mess.
It actually works both ways and, in the case described, the Democrats played as much of a role in making "the mess" since they apparently
didn't want to do any work or be a part of a "solution" less they offend someone like yourself.
Passports are not necessary to travel from state to state within the US. Thismight becomparable to traveling country to country in Europe. Texas, example, is the size of several European countries combined. What Dale s is true, of course, but many more have not traveled outside of the US. I, fortunately, am not among them.As of sometime recent, or soon, they are/will be required if you travel from state to state by plane and do not have a Real ID (tm).
As of sometime recent, or soon, they are/will be required if you travel from state to state by plane and do not have a Real ID (tm).
* SLMR 2.1a * Road Runner, the Coyote's after you!!!
Sweden is in fact, very pro-capitalism,
Can the US be very pro-capitalism but have redistribution through taxes, like a 61.85% income tax, 7% social security tax, and 25% consumption tax? Have we tried that? Can we do that and still not be a "socialist" country? Because if so, there are a whole lot of conservatives lying to us.
Over our country's history, there have been plenty of instances of voter fraud, often involving big city (or big state) political machines. Both parties had such "machines" set up over those years. Does Canada have
any history of such things that compare to Tammany Hall (an example)?
On an unrelated note, I have been seeing some news here about Trudeau imposing some sort of vaccine mandate on long haul truckers in Canada.
Is that correct? The news here does not seem to explain why long-haul truckers, who spend most of their time alone in their trucks, are seen
as a bigger spread danger than, say, office workers.
What is the explanation the Canadian government is giving (again,
assuming the news is correct)?
I have never felt a need to check if my vote was counted. There may be a way to do that but I am not sure.
And do you have to register to vote? Or are you automatically ready to vote/registered as soon as you're old enough?
I did when I came of age to vote. Now I just need to keep my address up
to date but I haven't moved in about 10 years now.
How are the albino black guys gonna prove to the hospital staff that ain't no white cracker? We don't put race or color on the drivers licenses in New York; that gets left to the imagination.
Presumably they have physical characteristics common to African
Americans, other than skin color.
Do they give you some kind of receipt or tracking # for your ballot? that you can verify that your vote was counted?
You would think this would be part of the process. You get a receipt at the cash register. Why not at the polling place?
I have never felt a need to check if my vote was counted. There may be a
way to do that but I am not sure.
I admire the way that you trust those who handle your ballots. We're going through an "expect less" phase in the states; we no longer expect anyone to do their job properly or to even show up for work. We're being led by example, and it's awful.
That's a ridiculous presumption. The media talks about skin color allHow are the albino black guys gonna prove to the hospital staff ain't no white cracker? We don't put race or color on the driver licenses in New York; that gets left to the imagination.Presumably they have physical characteristics common to African Americans, other than skin color.
day. Democrats wrap everything around skin color. But you presume that doctors will ignore skin color and look at hair nappiness to determine
if they're white or not. Doing stuff the hard way doesn't appeal to everyone.
Do they give you some kind of receipt or tracking # for your bal that you can verify that your vote was counted?You would think this would be part of the process. You get a receipt the cash register. Why not at the polling place?
I admire the way that you trust those who handle your ballots. We're goi through an "expect less" phase in the states; we no longer expect anyone do their job properly or to even show up for work. We're being led by example, and it's awful.That's just right wing fanaticism. The US has a long history of
democracy and elections. The 2020 election was found to be secure. In spite of recounts and more recounts, law suits and more law suits the election was result was correct.
Another duplicate message, although the first one did not have this line:
* SLMR 2.1a * Road Runner, the Coyote's after you!!!
I don't think anyone thinks the protest will result in any kind of direct acti
by the government. But it sure seems to be scaring our Prime Minister. When t
protest was a couple of days away from arriving at his door step he said he h
COVID symptoms and even though his test was negative he was going to go isola
. Today the news is reporting he and his family have been moved from their off
ial residence to a secret location for his safety. The protest has been compl
ely non-violent to this point lol.
That's just right wing fanaticism. The US has a long history of democracy and ections. The 2020 election was found to be secure. In spite of recounts and mo
recounts, law suits and more law suits the election was result was correct.
In NY the liberal governor made a policy that requires healthcare
workers to prioritize covid treatments for non-white patients first.
It already is required so we expect it. This is why I laugh atCanadians lappi
up the news that Republicans want to repress certain demographics byrequirin
voter ID. No one here bats an eye at the requirement. There is nomovement h
e to eliminate photo ID (or the others that are acceptable) because itmight d
enfranchise a certain demographic. But heap scorn on the Republicans"down So
h" because they want voter ID? Sure! lol
Over our country's history, there have been plenty of instances of voter fraud, often involving big city (or big state) political machines.
Both parties had such "machines" set up over those years.
Does Canada have any history of such things that compare to Tammany Hall (an
example)?
Passports are not necessary to travel from state to state within the US.
Thismight becomparable to traveling country to country in Europe. Texas,
for
example, is the size of several European countries combined. What Dale
said
is true, of course, but many more have not traveled outside of the US.
I, fortunately, am not among them.
As of sometime recent, or soon, they are/will be required if you travel from
state to state by plane and do not have a Real ID (tm).
staffHow are the albino black guys gonna prove to the hospital
driverain't no white cracker? We don't put race or color on the
licenses in New York; that gets left to the imagination.
Presumably they have physical characteristics common to African
Americans, other than skin color.
That's a ridiculous presumption. The media talks about skin color allthat
day. Democrats wrap everything around skin color. But you presume
doctors will ignore skin color and look at hair nappiness todetermine
if they're white or not. Doing stuff the hard way doesn't appeal to
everyone.
Doctors will do what doctors do. Which may very well differ from what Aaron
would do, considering that Aaron is not a doctor.
Renunciation and pronunciation are not even remotely the same thing. ItI avoided nothing as this was not a question to me.
is noted, though, that you avoided the question.
Another duplicate message, although the first one did not have this lineI assume they are both from me, and one is not accidentally posted as "Weather Alert"?
* SLMR 2.1a * Road Runner, the Coyote's after you!!!
"Weather Alert"? Did the other one have a SLMR or Multimail QWK tagline at all?
Do they both have my FTN origin line on them?
It also only seems to be happening in this echo, as you are the only one who has mentioned it and I don't only post here.
On 29 Jan 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...
Renunciation and pronunciation are not even remotely the same thing. is noted, though, that you avoided the question.I avoided nothing as this was not a question to me.
I merely commented that the word JESUS is renounced in the same way
within the majority of his fellow countrymen and in the same way as here what he has refereed to as "in the country of extreme Bible-thumping" meaning there is difference whatsoever with the renouncement of the word Jesus.
Just putting the spot light onto the village idiot and onto you as well, as it would seem Jeff...
"Weather Alert"? Did the other one have a SLMR or Multimail QWK tagline at all?
No. It was also missing two blank lines above the SLMR line.
It also only seems to be happening in this echo, as you are the only one who has mentioned it and I don't only post here.
Ok, and it doesn't happen to all of your messages in this echo, either. There's a possibility it's me, or something happening as the message makes its way to me. I wonder if anyone else is seeing them.
What ever happened to accountability and responsibility of ones actions?
The true problem is that no one has the balls to question the behavior of these gangster-type lifestyles or like minded individuals or pay any such attention to the crime spree and the trash laden streets that is the aftermath of such behavior. The looting; where everything is free and the chaos of these events that often lead to the same pictures of destruction and devastation of a store (looking very much similar to a natural disaster) This is completely savage behavior and this is why in certain Conservative minds these non-whites who display such behavior are very much considered to be nast
AF.
Additionally, No one wants to analyze or to question as to why there are so many absent fathers in non-white households. All of these issues go unanswered
This certain conservative mind realizes that "gangster-type" lifestyles are not, and never have been, confined to non-whites in this country. Most of the original gansters where very much white. The looters that Rittenhouse conflicted with were not black (I think they were all
white?). That is just one example.
The mix of participants in these events probably has something to do with the make-up of the area they happen in, but they are certainly not all non-whites who are participating, and certainly not all non-whites who,
in a sideways manner, seem to condone the behavior.
There are more absent fathers, and split households, in white families than there used to be, too.
I'm wondering what his definition is for "full of crap?" It's definit different from mine.
I know some folks dye their hair orange in honor of their beloved
former president, but dying their poop orange is taking things a bit
far ...
It sounds sloppy to allow all those different documents as ID, but it's better than what we do here in the states, just asking for name & addres
If that is what they do in your state, you have reason to be worried. They have not done it that way here in at least 30+ years.
It already is required so we expect it. This is why I laugh at Canadians lapping up the news that Republicans want to repress certain
demographics by requiring voter ID. No one here bats an eye at the requirement. There is no movement here to eliminate photo ID (or the
It already is required so we expect it. This is why I laugh at Canadi lapping up the news that Republicans want to repress certain demographics by requiring voter ID. No one here bats an eye at the requirement. There is no movement here to eliminate photo ID (or theHa! That's hilarious! I hope Al reads this message! Yea, the Republicans want voters to show ID. Some states do, but not New York. They don't
even ask for a utility bill or anything, it's just Name? Address? It shouldn't be that way.
Jeff wants you to think that the Republicans don't want black people to vote, but he's wrong; we totally want black people to vote, especially
now after all of Joe Biden's racist shenanigans and country-destroying.
"Renunciation" is not a synonym for "pronunciation." Look it up, and then re-read what you've written here.
Renunciation and pronunciation are not even remotely the same thing.
It is noted, though, that you avoided the question.
I avoided nothing as this was not a question to me. I merely commented that
the word JESUS is renounced in the same way within the majority of his fellow countrymen
and inthe same way as here what he has refereed to as "in the country of extreme Bible-thumping" meaning there is difference whatsoever with the renouncement of the word Jesus.
Just putting the spot light onto the village idiot and onto you as well, as
it would seem Jeff...
It already is required so we expect it. This is why I laugh at Canadians
lapping up the news that Republicans want to repress certain
demographics by requiring voter ID. No one here bats an eye at the
requirement. There is no movement here to eliminate photo ID (or the
Ha! That's hilarious! I hope Al reads this message!
Yea, the Republicans want voters to show ID. Some states do, but not New York. They don't even ask for a utility bill or anything, it's just Name? Address? It shouldn't be that way.
Jeff wants you to think that the Republicans don't want black people to
vote, but he's wrong; we totally want black people to vote, especially now after all of Joe Biden's racist shenanigans and country-destroying.
I admire the way that you trust those who handle your ballots. We're goi through an "expect less" phase in the states; we no longer expect anyone do their job properly or to even show up for work. We're being led by example, and it's awful.
That's just right wing fanaticism. The US has a long history of
democracy and elections. The 2020 election was found to be secure. In spite of recounts and more recounts, law suits and more law suits the election was result was correct.
Here in Texas, we have oting machines. Upon voting at said voting
machine, one is presented with a printed receipt showing exactly how one voted. One then reviews this receipt and submits it to another voting machine, which tallies one's vote.
I am by no means a supporter NY Gov. Kathleen Hochul, I can see why certain elements of this policy may trigger anger in some, not
necessarily because of the prioritization of care part but the part that looks at a individual based on race alone.
The left is fond of making victims of non-whites, with such things as police brutality and then offering bail reform which seems to be a never-ending revolving door.
What ever happened to accountability and responsibility of ones actions?
Additionally, No one wants to analyze or to question as to why there are so many absent fathers in non-white households. All of these issues go
so many absent fathers in non-white households. All of these issues go unanswered yet there will be the glamorization and the polarization of Black History Month in February, celebrating black historical figures
and the stores will be sure to cater to non-whites w/ black is beautiful merchandise.
I avoided nothing as this was not a question to me.
I merely commented that the word JESUS is renounced in the same way within the majority of his fellow countrymen and in the same way as h what he has refereed to as "in the country of extreme Bible-thumping" meaning there is difference whatsoever with the renouncement of the w Jesus.
"Renunciation" is not a synonym for "pronunciation." Look it up, and then re-read what you've written here.
Luke 14:25-33
Here in Texas, we have oting machines. Upon voting at said voting machine, one is presented with a printed receipt showing exactly how voted. One then reviews this receipt and submits it to another voting machine, which tallies one's vote.That sounds cool to me. Would you be opposed to all voting machines working that way?
"Renunciation" is not a synonym for "pronunciation." Look it up, and re-read what you've written here.Religion is not a leftist's category, but it's worth studying:
Luke 14:25-33 Self-renunciation is an indispensable condition of
following Christ, required for accurately counting the true cost of allegiance to Him. This condition of full and selfless service to God demands our hearts and minds, not just our bodies.
The biblical definition is more tried and true than the reptilians at Google.
I agree with you. Our elections are fine; we don't need Joe's Voting Rights bill.
definitI'm wondering what his definition is for "full of crap?" It's
different from mine.
I know some folks dye their hair orange in honor of their beloved
former president, but dying their poop orange is taking things a bit
far ...
I'm with you. Trump needs to go, but his policies need to stay.
It already is required so we expect it. This is why I laugh at Canadian >> lapping up the news that Republicans want to repress certain
demographics by requiring voter ID. No one here bats an eye at the
requirement. There is no movement here to eliminate photo ID (or the
Ha! That's hilarious! I hope Al reads this message!
I read it so what? It is still a right wing talking point.
Then change the way voting works. I think it's OK to show ID when voting as long as every voter has the ID required and it isn't used to supress the vote.
Donald Trump and a large section of republicans are still saying that the election was rigged/stollen. Not because the election was rigged/stollen but because the democrats got more votes that republicans.
I read it so what? It is still a right wing talking point.A talking point with a good point in it! Republicans want Americans to show ID when they vote, Canada already does that, but if the Americans
try to do it, they're racists!
Here in Texas, we have oting machines. Upon voting at said votin machine, one is presented with a printed receipt showing exactly voted. One then reviews this receipt and submits it to another v machine, which tallies one's vote.That sounds cool to me. Would you be opposed to all voting machines working that way?
Have I indicated any opposition to this? I think not.
We are not in agreement. Since the 2020 election voting laws (in republican states) have changed to make it harder for people to vote.
It's called voter suppresion. All based on the big lie that the election was stollen from Donald Trump.
Wouldn't you prefer if people didn't have proof of who they voted for? That way if there's a discrepancy after the count, you won't have aHave I indicated any opposition to this? I think not.Here in Texas, we have oting machines. Upon voting at said machine, one is presented with a printed receipt showing ex voted. One then reviews this receipt and submits it to anot machine, which tallies one's vote.That sounds cool to me. Would you be opposed to all voting machi working that way?
bunch of conservatives showing their receipts, trying to change the outcome. (Reptilians can prevail)
I know some folks dye their hair orange in honor of their beloved former president, but dying their poop orange is taking things a bit far ...I'm with you. Trump needs to go, but his policies need to stay.
"Making it harder for people to vote" is a slogan.
I live in a Democrat state where liberals make it harder for white people to vote,
only liberals are smarter than conservatives in that they don't go through the trouble of trying to pass laws, they just take matters into their own hands.
I read it so what? It is still a right wing talking point.
A talking point with a good point in it! Republicans want Americans to
show ID when they vote, Canada already does that, but if the Americans
try to do it, they're racists!
ID was already required before "Voter ID" became a thing.
It bothers me a little, and I think they should ask for photo ID, but then again, it's a small town. They're asking for a name that matches an address that matches a registered voter, so it doesn't seem like fraud would be a super easy task (to me.)
"Renunciation" is not a synonym for "pronunciation." Look it up, and then
re-read what you've written here.
Religion is not a leftist's category, but it's worth studying:
Luke 14:25-33 Self-renunciation is an indispensable condition of following Christ, required for accurately counting the true cost of allegiance to Him. This condition of full and selfless service to God demands our hearts and minds, not just our bodies.
The biblical definition is more tried and true than the reptilians at Google.
I read it so what? It is still a right wing talking point.A talking point with a good point in it! Republicans want Americans t show ID when they vote, Canada already does that, but if the American try to do it, they're racists!
ID was already required before "Voter ID" became a thing.
In Texas, but not New York.ID was already required before "Voter ID" became a thing.I read it so what? It is still a right wing talking point.A talking point with a good point in it! Republicans want Americ show ID when they vote, Canada already does that, but if the Ame try to do it, they're racists!
On 01-31-22 16:26, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Voting <=-
It bothers me a little, and I think they should ask for photo ID, but then again, it's a small town. They're asking for a name that matches an address that matches a registered voter, so it doesn't seem like fraud would be a super easy task (to me.)
Do the poll workers usually know the people who are coming in to vote
in your precinct?
There were protesters who were protesting because of those reasons.Then
there were "protesters" who were looting, setting fires, and evenkilling
people. Their reasons for being out and about on those evenings haddo
NOTHING to do with police brutality and injustice. It had a lot more to
with opportunity and, in some cases, to intentionally cause trouble.
But you knew that, didn't you?
No, I only knew that you would spin it.
So you don't know that there was looting, fires, and people who got killed?
That is not spin, that is fact.
Sounds like you know very little about a subject you profess to be knowledgeable about. I am not surprised.
Putin seems to be the closest thing we've had to a Stalin MP>in Russiathat I know of in my lifetime.
Non-white *race*. Not non-white *skin*.
So what is your definition of "white race"? I think white skin is a major determiniation of "white race." I cannot think of any other determination that would rival white skin.
Wouldn't you prefer if people didn't have proof of who they voted for That way if there's a discrepancy after the count, you won't have a bunch of conservatives showing their receipts, trying to change the outcome. (Reptilians can prevail)
I wouldn't have a problem with people having a receipt. However, once
such a receipt leaves the polling place, its value as "proof" is necessarily diminished since they can be altered, forged, etc.
I'm with you. Trump needs to go, but his policies need to stay.
What finally convinced you that "the greatest president in [your] lifetime" needs to go?
I live in a Democrat state where liberals make it harder for white peopl vote,
How is that?
It bothers me a little, and I think they should ask for photo ID, but th again, it's a small town. They're asking for a name that matches an addr that matches a registered voter, so it doesn't seem like fraud would be super easy task (to me.)
Do the poll workers usually know the people who are coming in to vote in your precinct?
ID thieves might know more about you than you even do.
I wouldn't have a problem with people having a receipt. However, once such a receipt leaves the polling place, its value as "proof" is necessarily diminished since they can be altered, forged, etc.No barcode or anything like that on it?
He's too disliked, he wants to pardon the 1/6 rioters, and he doesn'tI'm with you. Trump needs to go, but his policies need to stay.What finally convinced you that "the greatest president in [your] lifetime" needs to go?
know how to subjugate black people like master Joe. I need a president
who can keep em votin Republican, and apparently Donald's not the man
for the job.
I'm hoping to see on the ballot somebody who has Trump's energy and charisma, just not Trump's last name. No Jared either. I want someone
from outside the Trump family, and it totally needs to be a black woman, to keep up with Joe's Black Women Movement.
New York State is predominatly white. Liberal poll workers in Binghamton play sneaky tricks on registered Republican voters when they come toI live in a Democrat state where liberals make it harder for white vote,How is that?
vote. They send us driving all around the county just to dissuade us
from voting. It would be naive to think that it's not happening all over the state.
ID thieves might know more about you than you even do.That thought has crossed my mind. It could be happening that way (mail thieves posing as voters at the polls.) If they steal everyone's mail on the day that the voter registration cards are delivered, then they could end up helping the Democrat party quite a bit, especially in local races.
I found the guidelines and they state that "Non-white race or
Hispanic/Latino
ethnicity should be considered a risk factor, as longstanding systemic
health
and socialinequities have contributed to an increased risk of severe
illness
and death from COVID-19."
Non-white *race*. Not non-white *skin*.
So what is your definition of "white race"? I think white skin is amajor
determiniation of "white race." I cannot think of any otherdetermination
that would rival white skin.
Jesus pronounced JEE-zus-uz as well as Jes£s (Hea-zus)
However within The Lutheran Church of Sweden as well as the majority of other
religious places of worship the word Jesus is renounced "pronounced" in the
same bible thumping way.
definitI'm wondering what his definition is for "full of crap?" It's
different from mine.
I know some folks dye their hair orange in honor of their beloved
former president, but dying their poop orange is taking things a bit
far ...
I'm with you. Trump needs to go,
but his policies need to stay.
wayI avoided nothing as this was not a question to me.
I merely commented that the word JESUS is renounced in the same
as hwithin the majority of his fellow countrymen and in the same way
Bible-thumping"what he has refereed to as "in the country of extreme
the wmeaning there is difference whatsoever with the renouncement of
Jesus.
"Renunciation" is not a synonym for "pronunciation." Look it up, andthen
re-read what you've written here.
Religion is not a leftist's category, but it's worth studying:
Luke 14:25-33 Self-renunciation is an indispensable condition of following Christ, required for accurately counting the true cost of allegiance to Him.
This condition of full and selfless service to God demands our hearts and minds, not just our bodies.
The biblical definition is more tried and true than the reptilians at Google.
ID was already required before "Voter ID" became a thing.In Texas, but not New York.
In many places. Why did Republicans in those places that *already* required ID for voting feel the need to pass "Voter ID" laws?
Obama lost in many of the states with voter ID laws, so what worked for Romney might work for Saving America in 2024.In many places. Why did Republicans in those places that *already* required ID for voting feel the need to pass "Voter ID" laws?ID was already required before "Voter ID" became a thing.In Texas, but not New York.
Before I moved about two years ago, whenever I went to the polling
place, my neighbor across the street was one of the two poll clerks
checking people in --- so the answer in my case is yes. In the 2020
election I got an absentee ballot and then put it into a dropbox located
in the apartment complex where I now live.
*already*In many places. Why did Republicans in those places that
required ID for voting feel the need to pass "Voter ID" laws?
Obama lost in many of the states with voter ID laws, so whatworked for
Romney might work for Saving America in 2024.
Hmm. What could "states that Obama lost" and "states that passed Voter ID laws" possibly have in common? They were already red states.
Hmm. What could "states that Obama lost" and "states that passed Vote laws" possibly have in common? They were already red states.Most important question: If the states don't think that the federal
law is complete, why don't they try to have their representatives in Congress make sure that the shortcomings are corrected? Why must there
be any difference in every state?
I'm so old (74), I remember when mainstream US Republicans were basically reasonable people with differing views on economics, and not a festering fucktangle of seditious, democracy-hating treason-weasels.
On 02-01-22 15:54, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Voting <=-
Before I moved about two years ago, whenever I went to the polling
place, my neighbor across the street was one of the two poll clerks
checking people in --- so the answer in my case is yes. In the 2020 election I got an absentee ballot and then put it into a dropbox located
in the apartment complex where I now live.
I don't know about small towns but, in my medium-size town, and the
larger town to the East, they seem to frown on allowing poll workers to work at their home/neighborhood precinct. In the smaller towns, I
would guess that might not be possible.
Actually, the two of us did not vote in the same precinct, even though
we lived on opposite sides of the street. His polling place was the elementary school about 1/2 mile away. We passed that to get to our polling place which was about 2 miles away. Because he was a poll
worker he had to vote via absentee ballot. It just so happened that the precinct line went down the middle of the street in front of us.
I can remember when Democrats were like that also.
We had a census that caused Kentucky to lose a house seat. So those Democrats went to work trying to get rid of one or both of the two Republican US representatives we had by trying to redraw the districts where none were majority Republican.
They goofed. Ever since then there has never been any more than two Democrats as part of our group of 6 US reps. There is usually only one.
I'm so old (74), I remember when mainstream US Republicans were basically r
sonable people with differing views on economics, and not a festering f***tang
of seditious, democracy-hating treason-weasels.
Actually, the two of us did not vote in the same precinct, even though we lived on opposite sides of the street. His polling place was the elementary school about 1/2 mile away. We passed that to get to our polling place which was about 2 miles away. Because he was a poll worker he had to vote via absentee ballot. It just so happened that the precinct line went down the middle of the street in front of us.
Gerrymandering at work? Democratic?
Please watch your language.
This is not a free speech echo. Thanks.
I am. Any special linguistic error I made, I'm all ears, always
willing to learn.
I am. Any special linguistic error I made, I'm all ears, always
willing to learn.
Maybe you "renounced" something wrong?
On 02-02-22 07:12, Bj”rn Felten <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Voting <=-
Actually, the two of us did not vote in the same precinct, even though
we lived on opposite sides of the street. His polling place was the elementary school about 1/2 mile away. We passed that to get to our polling place which was about 2 miles away. Because he was a poll
worker he had to vote via absentee ballot. It just so happened that the precinct line went down the middle of the street in front of us.
Gerrymandering at work? Democratic?
I can remember when Democrats were like that also.
There's no "both-sidesing" on Trump's corruption. Nice try, but no.
On 02 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
We had a census that caused Kentucky to lose a house seat. So those Democrats went to work trying to get rid of one or both of the two Republican US representatives we had by trying to redraw the districts where none were majority Republican.
They goofed. Ever since then there has never been any more than two Democrats as part of our group of 6 US reps. There is usually only one.
So they redrew the districts to be more fair, but you still accuse them of gerrymandering because it gives cover for Republicans to do so.
This is not a free speech echo. Thanks.
It is here. In Sweden. We've cherished our free speech since long before it
as written down in the mid 1200s.
On 03 Feb 2022, Bj.rn Felten said the following...
I am. Any special linguistic error I made, I'm all ears, always willing to learn.
Maybe you "renounced" something wrong?
# There is no such thing as "free speech" in this echo.
He is well aware of what he did as I quoted it back to him.
If he cannot communicate without using profanity
The message I was responding to was not about Trump but Republicans in general. For example, I can remember when most Democrats were not like you.I can remember when Democrats were like that also.There's no "both-sidesing" on Trump's corruption. Nice try, but no.
So they redrew the districts to be more fair, but you still accuse them gerrymandering because it gives cover for Republicans to do so.No. Re-read that. They redrew them to try to get rid of our Republican representatives and it backfired on them.
On 03 Feb 2022, Bj.rn Felten said the following...He is well aware of what he did as I quoted it back to him. If he cannot communicate without using profanity he can go communicate in his buddy Lee's echo.
I am. Any special linguistic error I made, I'm all ears, always willing to learn.Maybe you "renounced" something wrong?
"Bjorn" only started posting here when he realized I am no longer responding to "Lee's" posts.
Did they say as much? How do you know they were trying to get rid of Republican representatives?
"Bjorn" only started posting here when he realized I am no longer responding to "Lee's" posts.
# There is no such thing as "free speech" in this echo.
Sorry, but the Swedish constitution supersedes your random rules.
The message I was responding to was not about Trump but Republicans in general. For example, I can remember when most Democrats were not like you.I can remember when Democrats were like that also.There's no "both-sidesing" on Trump's corruption. Nice try, but no.
Republicans overwhelmingly supported Trump. The distinction is minimal.
So they redrew the districts to be more fair, but you still accuse themNo. Re-read that. They redrew them to try to get rid of our Republican representatives and it backfired on them.
gerrymandering because it gives cover for Republicans to do so.
Did they say as much? How do you know they were trying to get rid of Republican representatives?
"Bjorn" only started posting here when he realized I am no longer responding to "Lee's" posts.
I see. "Al" and I didn't realize that.
Did you happen to notice that "Ron L." only started posting here after "Ron Lauzon" stopped?
You must have some sort of subliminal liking for Trump as you are the one always bringing him up.Republicans overwhelmingly supported Trump. The distinction is minimal.The message I was responding to was not about Trump but Republicans general. For example, I can remember when most Democrats were not you.I can remember when Democrats were like that also.There's no "both-sidesing" on Trump's corruption. Nice try, but n
How do you know any politicians do it to improve their party's chances?Did they say as much? How do you know they were trying to get rid of Republican representatives?So they redrew the districts to be more fair, but you still accus themNo. Re-read that. They redrew them to try to get rid of our Repub representatives and it backfired on them.
gerrymandering because it gives cover for Republicans to do so.
Al = you was a joke."Bjorn" only started posting here when he realized I am no longer responding to "Lee's" posts.I see. "Al" and I didn't realize that.
Did you happen to notice that "Ron L." only started posting here after " Lauzon" stopped?Do you *really* not realize they are *obviously* the same person? :)
Sorry but here it does not.
I really don't care about your Swedish constitution.
It's obvious because of how convoluted they are and, of course, by the result.So why did you ask? You are not the only one who can figure out things that are obvious.
In this case, it was obvious because of how convoluted they were and, of course, about how upset the Democrats were when it didn't work.
How do you know any politicians do it to improve their party's chances?No. Re-read that. They redrew them to try to get rid of our RepuDid they say as much? How do you know they were trying to get rid of Republican representatives?
representatives and it backfired on them.
It's obvious because of how convoluted they are and, of course, by the result.
So why did you ask? You are not the only one who can figure out things that are obvious.
In this case, it was obvious because of how convoluted they were and, of course, about how upset the Democrats were when it didn't work.
How would you tell the difference, though? If one party or the other attempted to make districting more fair, how would you know? A fair layout wouldn't necessarily be geometric; the end result of proportional representation is more important than map aesthetics.
How would you tell the difference, though? If one party or the other attempted to make districting more fair, how would you know? A fair layo wouldn't necessarily be geometric; the end result of proportional representation is more important than map aesthetics.Back to the same question, how would YOU know?
Oh wait, you'd know because Republicans did it. Democrats never do
things like that to try to benefit themselves. <rolls eyes>
Bj-rn Felten wrote to Mike Powell <=-
The Christian Evangelical model even? Which Christ do you believe
in, Classic Jesus or Republican Jesus?
How would you tell the difference, though? If one party or the other attempted to make districting more fair, how would you know? A fair layBack to the same question, how would YOU know?
wouldn't necessarily be geometric; the end result of proportional representation is more important than map aesthetics.
Oh wait, you'd know because Republicans did it. Democrats never do things like that to try to benefit themselves. <rolls eyes>
Is the end result more or less fair?
The last I checked, registered Democrats still outnumber Republicans here 2-to-1, and I know they did when that happened. However, we went down to having only one Democrat representative (sometimes 2), and 4-5 Republicans, from 5 Dems and 2 Republicans.Is the end result more or less fair?How would you tell the difference, though? If one party or the ot attempted to make districting more fair, how would you know? A fa layBack to the same question, how would YOU know?
wouldn't necessarily be geometric; the end result of proportional representation is more important than map aesthetics.
Oh wait, you'd know because Republicans did it. Democrats never do things like that to try to benefit themselves. <rolls eyes>
Now, just because it was the Democrats that redrew the districts, and
just because it didn't turn out the way they wanted, I would have said
it was fair. Not sure Democrats think it is fair. I know my father
sure doesn't whenever he goes on a gerrymander lecture, sort of like you do, and I point out that the Republicans were not in charge of either house in our Legislature when this happened.
He handles that about as well as you, too... denial that Democrats every gerrymander, and denial that they would ever goof it up that bad.
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
Did you happen to notice that "Ron L." only started posting here after "Ron Lauzon" stopped?
Do you *really* not realize they are *obviously* the same person? :)
Mike Powell wrote to BJ”RN FELTEN <=-
Sorry, but the Swedish constitution supersedes your random rules.
Sorry but here it does not. I really don't care about your Swedish constitution.
Did you happen to notice that "Ron L." only started posting here after Lauzon" stopped?Lefties have a problem with reality.
Do you *really* not realize they are *obviously* the same person? :)
The last I checked, registered Democrats still outnumber Republicans here
2-to-1, and I know they did when that happened. However, we went down to
having only one Democrat representative (sometimes 2), and 4-5 Republicans, from 5 Dems and 2 Republicans.
Kentucky is reliably Republican, and has voted for the Republican candidate in the last 5 presidential elections. I'm not sure where you got the 2:1 Democrat advantage, or when the last time you checked was.
Now, just because it was the Democrats that redrew the districts, and just because it didn't turn out the way they wanted, I would have said it was fair. Not sure Democrats think it is fair. I know my father sure doesn't whenever he goes on a gerrymander lecture, sort of like you do, and I point out that the Republicans were not in charge of either house in our Legislature when this happened.
It appears that the Kentucky constitution forbids dividing counties when creating districting maps, which would certainly seem to give an advantage to rural voters since cities tend to both lean democratic and be situated in a single county.
Lefties have a problem with reality.
I don't know why the other BBS that I call doesn't use my full name in the networked groups. But that's a question for the Sysop of that BBS.
If you haven't paid your taxes, you're not allowed free speech! I expect many tax-payers to disagree with me immediately! I would also assume that all of you have FaceBot accounts...
Oh, right...only HERE are you allowed to speak freely, and not enjoy a month in FB jail...
Kentucky is reliably Republican, and has voted for the Republican candid in the last 5 presidential elections. I'm not sure where you got the 2:1 Democrat advantage, or when the last time you checked was.You don't have to vote for the person who runs for your party. They do that pretty reliably in Louisville, and it sounds like maybe you do, but they are not so reliable out in the state.
That must be state house districts. When I lived in Jefferson County,Now, just because it was the Democrats that redrew the districts, a just because it didn't turn out the way they wanted, I would have s it was fair. Not sure Democrats think it is fair. I know my fathe sure doesn't whenever he goes on a gerrymander lecture, sort of lik do, and I point out that the Republicans were not in charge of eith house in our Legislature when this happened.It appears that the Kentucky constitution forbids dividing counties when creating districting maps, which would certainly seem to give an advanta rural voters since cities tend to both lean democratic and be situated i single county.
it was at one point divided across three US House districts. IIRC, one
of them was exclusive to the county, while the other two were shared. I know that two were shared, just not whether or not the third one was exclusive. At other times, it was split between two districts, with one shared and one exclusive.
If you haven't paid your taxes, you're not allowed free speech! I expect tax-payers to disagree with me immediately! I would also assume that all you have FaceBot accounts...I am not certain that you cannot speak freely, but they will indeed limit your other freedoms.
Lefties have a problem with reality.
Some sure do.
I don't know why the other BBS that I call doesn't use my full name in the
networked groups. But that's a question for the Sysop of that BBS.
I suspected it had to do with echo area settings. Some sysops would rather drop echos, or whole networks, than have to set areas for "real names."
Polling indicates that party affiliation among adults in Kentucky is fairly evenly split, with 44% Republican/lean Republican, 43% Democrat/lean Democrat, and 13% claiming no lean. Articles from 2018 identify that as the year that Democrats ceased to have a majority in registered voters.
Both of those strongly dispute a 2:1 Democrat advantage.
Polling indicates that party affiliation among adults in Kentucky is fai evenly split, with 44% Republican/lean Republican, 43% Democrat/lean Democrat, and 13% claiming no lean. Articles from 2018 identify that as year that Democrats ceased to have a majority in registered voters.
Both of those strongly dispute a 2:1 Democrat advantage.
And we were talking about things that happened before 2018.
On 08 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
Polling indicates that party affiliation among adults in Kentucky is fa
evenly split, with 44% Republican/lean Republican, 43% Democrat/lean Democrat, and 13% claiming no lean. Articles from 2018 identify that as
year that Democrats ceased to have a majority in registered voters.
Both of those strongly dispute a 2:1 Democrat advantage.
And we were talking about things that happened before 2018.
Were we? It sure sounded like you were saying that Democrats currently have a 2:1 advantage in Kentucky.
The gerrymander, that the majority Democratic Legislature tried, happened several years before 2018. That is what we were talking about.And we were talking about things that happened before 2018.Were we? It sure sounded like you were saying that Democrats currently h 2:1 advantage in Kentucky.
Travel distance is not the only parameter to consider. Traffic at the site should also be considered. Only one person can use the single drop box at a time.
They would not face near the congestion at that drop box that urban voters would. In rural Texas counties, the county seat is much more important than in urban Texas counties. One-stoplight towns don't tend to have their own tax offices, courthouse, etc., but rely on the county seat to fulfill that need. The towns that are the county seats often are not that big themselves and so only have one tax office, one courthouse, etc. This seems to work well for them.
In contrast, large ubran cities often have more than one county tax office (usually a main one and some branches) and more than one courthouse, because that's what's needed to serve the community. And that seems to work well for them.
Travel distance is not the only parameter to consider. Traffic at the si should also be considered. Only one person can use the single drop box a time.All you do is drop a ballot in. Traffic there matters no more than the line at the polling place... even less so.
They would not face near the congestion at that drop box that urban vote would. In rural Texas counties, the county seat is much more important t in urban Texas counties. One-stoplight towns don't tend to have their ow offices, courthouse, etc., but rely on the county seat to fulfill that n The towns that are the county seats often are not that big themselves an only have one tax office, one courthouse, etc. This seems to work well f them.I am certain that drop box is also not their only polling place.
Harris County has a population of 4.728 million as of 2021. If less than a quarter of those people -- 1,000,000 people -- each took one second to drop their ballot in the box, people would be dropping off ballots 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, 60 minutes an hour, 60 seconds a minute for over eleven and a half days.
They would not face near the congestion at that drop box that urban votI am certain that drop box is also not their only polling place.
would. In rural Texas counties, the county seat is much more important in urban Texas counties. One-stoplight towns don't tend to have their o
offices, courthouse, etc., but rely on the county seat to fulfill that The towns that are the county seats often are not that big themselves a
only have one tax office, one courthouse, etc. This seems to work well them.
No, it's not, but it's supposed to be convenient. What's the harm in having more than one drop box per county? Is it that too many people might vote too easily?
Harris County has a population of 4.728 million as of 2021. If less than quarter of those people -- 1,000,000 people -- each took one second to d their ballot in the box, people would be dropping off ballots 7 days a w 24 hours a day, 60 minutes an hour, 60 seconds a minute for over eleven half days.All you have to do is drop the ballot in.
If it was their only means of voting, you might have a point. As it is,No, it's not, but it's supposed to be convenient. What's the harm in hav more than one drop box per county? Is it that too many people might vote easily?They would not face near the congestion at that drop box that urb votI am certain that drop box is also not their only polling place.
would. In rural Texas counties, the county seat is much more impo in urban Texas counties. One-stoplight towns don't tend to have t o
offices, courthouse, etc., but rely on the county seat to fulfill The towns that are the county seats often are not that big themse a
only have one tax office, one courthouse, etc. This seems to work them.
I am guessing it is one of at least three.
If it was their only means of voting, you might have a point. As it is, I am guessing it is one of at least three.
Nevertheless, there's absolutely no legitimate reason to only have one per county irrespective of the counties' population differences.
There's also no legitimate reason to move the opening time for Sunday early voting from 11am to 1pm, when it's well known that many Black churches have "Souls to the Polls" events at which they all go directly from church to vote.
On 05-31-23 09:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: A window provides cle <=-
The news of any kind rarely gives the number of a
bill, but rather jus
what the effect is. Texas and Georgia passed
laws that have the effec
of making it harder for minorities to vote. Some of the tools are reducing the days for voting, reducing the number
of ballot boxes, and
even things that make it harder to wait in line
at a polling place --
e.g. a crime to give water to those in line.
Again show me the bills or current laws that exist.
You can stand behind that mantra all you like, but you know your request is not possible.
Then your statement as it relates to the difficulty of minorities to
vote remains unproven.
That is the problem, as you have no issue with calling these legitimate and that there are multiple examples.Then your statement as it relates to the difficulty of minorities to vote remains unproven.
It is proven by the recurring presence in multiple legitimate news sources.
As an example, this week the Republican legislatation in Texas passed a law which allows them to replace the (Democratic) election supervisor in Harris county. Harris county happens to be strongly Democratic in a mostly Republican state. The law *only* applies to Harris county.
Google will show you multiple reporting on these facts. Here is one
such:
On 06-03-23 12:53, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Voting <=-
Then your statement as it relates to the difficulty of minorities to
vote remains unproven.
It is proven by the recurring presence in multiple legitimate news sources.
That is the problem, as you have no issue with calling
these legitimate and that there are multiple examples.
The real truth is that there is no such thing as legitimate news
source as these are corporations who have a left leaning agenda and
not only this but they craft this as a production that has
a intentional purpose, orchestrated and executed and are
built in a way to make you sit on the edge of your seat as
you digest what they are suggesting. You don't seem to
understand that they have built this for your mind to make
you believe their narrative as they hope that it becomes
yours.
The truth as it relates to Harris County is that
March 8, 2022
The elections administrator Isabel Longoria in Harris County, Texas, announced Tuesday that she had submitted her resignation,
amid a mail-in ballot counting discrepancy in election
night results.
As an example, this week the Republican legislatation in Texas passed a law which allows them to replace the (Democratic) election supervisor in Harris county. Harris county happens to be strongly Democratic in a mostly Republican state. The law *only* applies to Harris county.
Google will show you multiple reporting on these facts. Here is one
such:
Incorrect, she resigned in disgrace.
Google can not trusted as they lean left.
The real truth is that there is no such thing as legitimate news source as these are corporations who have a left leaning agenda and not only this but they craft this as a production that has
a intentional purpose, orchestrated and executed and are
built in a way to make you sit on the edge of your seat as
you digest what they are suggesting. You don't seem to
understand that they have built this for your mind to make
you believe their narrative as they hope that it becomes
yours.
Your opinion, not mine.
So how is this different or incorrect, from what I said. She resigned.Incorrect, she resigned in disgrace.
Not incorrect. Longoria resigned because of errors
What I'm saying is that there is liberal bias within Media especially CNN. This left leaning bias does not just exist within the media, it exists in periodicals, newspapers and it is prevalent on the Internet too.Google can not trusted as they lean left.Google is a search engine, full stop.
I am not sure how to fix that, either.
Paper only. In person, except for absentee voting with all the restrictions around it. Voting only 1 day and all votes counted in each precinct that day.
I would be very leary of some national-level requirements
Those requirements are unconstutional on their face.
because we both know the current
administration would have all the states allowing all sorts of stupid stuff.
As well as Blue states.
You should be able to sort the little cards from 0-X and see if someone's missing or duplicated. You should be able to sort the ballots from 0-(Y+Z) an
see if a ballot is missing. And, of course X should equal Y.
Oh, but math is racist.
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They were stuffing paper ballots, so how does that help? There are
areas where they cheated long before COVID and multiple day voting.
I agree, none of the electronic touch-screen machines, but those old tabulating machines we used to use (pull lever) worked here great, and were a lot faster than the touch-screens.
Also, some folks seem to think "paper only and hand counting only" will fix it. There is no way they'd get them all counted "that day" that
way,
and there is no way you'd convince someone like me that someone hand-counting it will somehow be less biased than a machine. After
all, the machine is biased because of how a *person* programmed it.
In person is good. One vote per person is good. Each ballot only able
to be counted once is good. The only way you can enforce those last
two, especially the last one, is if a machine counts them.
I would go as far as to say the ballot should expire after X amount of time. That way it cannot easily leave the polling location and come
back later, and it cannot be pulled back out from under a table and rescanned later.
Part of the reason I like the idea of multiple days is that it keeps places like Leftistexcrementholeville from claiming that people don't
have enough time to vote and trying to keep the polls open past 6pm on Election night. They used to complain all the time.
Our paper ballots go into a locked machine. I don't know if it
tabulates it or not at that moment, but it tells us that our ballot has been accepted.
I would rather them not tabulate, or at least not be able to tell
anyone what was tabulated, until after 6pm Election night. On the
other hand, it could be handy if it gave the voter a receipt that told them what their ballot was counted as... although I see a lot of
confusion and people claiming it was wrong when it really wasn't if it could do that.
and there is no way you'd convince someone like me that someone hand-counting it will somehow be less biased than a machine. After
all, the machine is biased because of how a *person* programmed it.
The problem is that it's easy to produce a bunch of machines to cheat. It's much harder to produce a bunch of people who will cheat.
In person is good. One vote per person is good. Each ballot only able to be counted once is good. The only way you can enforce those last two, especially the last one, is if a machine counts them.
Only if the code is open source, vetted as correct, and the machines are completely disconnected from any ability to change after loaded with the software. Hm.... I just realized that we do almost all of this with electronic payment devices that stores use to read your credit card.
I would go as far as to say the ballot should expire after X amount of time. That way it cannot easily leave the polling location and come back later, and it cannot be pulled back out from under a table and rescanned later.
But this is how the machines were designed. They were designed to allow for cheating.
Currently, I do not trust **any** current machine to tabulate ballots.
Part of the reason I like the idea of multiple days is that it keeps places like Leftistexcrementholeville from claiming that people don't have enough time to vote and trying to keep the polls open past 6pm on Election night. They used to complain all the time.
Does anyone listen to those ignorants? They are the same ones who keep pushin
the false Narrative that "Blacks can't get IDs to vote."
Polls are open long enough for nearly everyone to be able to vote in person. For the outliars, we have mail in voting.
Our paper ballots go into a locked machine. I don't know if it tabulates it or not at that moment, but it tells us that our ballot has been accepted.
In my area, it's a locked box. About the only thing it does it verify that th
ballot is not spoiled (i.e. you voted for 2 candidates when you were only allowed to vote for 1).
There's no perfect solution to this. About all we can do is make voter fraud not worth the effort.
Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-
I don't think so. For local elections, yes, but you honestly don't
think they could find plenty of Never-Trumpers in electoral-vote rich states?
I don't know that they were designed to allow for it specifically,
You can honestly mis-map a screen, but I would expect then that all choices of Y would also turn into votes for X. I have never heard of
that happening. Have you?
I like mail-in even less than multilple day in-person.
I like mail-in even less than multilple day in-person.
When I say "mail in voting", I'm talking about the process that's been in plac
for a long time. I show up at the city office and explain my need (i.e. I wil
be out of state that day), then show my ID, and I am given a ballot that I can
fill out and mail in.
Again, much harder to cheat. And if you have an Elitist run state (like Michigan), the Sec of State will ignore the law and set her own election rules
and the AG will not prosecute the people who broke the laws.
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