• Doubling Down on Trump

    From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to All on Monday, February 07, 2022 10:36:42
    As it becomes increasingly apparent just how corrupt the Trump administration was, one might think that Republicans would be doing everything possible to distance themselves from Trump. However, in doing so, one would be severely mistaken.

    The RNC is in fact doubling down on Trumpism. Republican representatives
    Cheney and Kinzinger have been censured for their work on the Jan. 6
    committee, with RNC chair McDaniel referring to the violence of 1/6 as "legitimate political discourse." She did try to walk that back, but since no people who demonstrated peacefully outside of the capitol have been
    prosecuted, her attempted clarification makes no sense.

    What's more, Trump remains Republicans' top choice for 2024 candidate. They have seen what he has done, know that he will do it again, and would elect
    him anyway. The corruption is not only Trump's; it is the Republican Party's.

    Whatever moral compass one had to disregard in order to support Trump, one
    now has to disregard in order to support the GOP. And if that's the case, the corruption is yours.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, February 07, 2022 17:01:00
    The RNC is in fact doubling down on Trumpism. Republican representatives Cheney and Kinzinger have been censured for their work on the Jan. 6 committee, with RNC chair McDaniel referring to the violence of 1/6 as "legitimate political discourse." She did try to walk that back, but since no people who demonstrated peacefully outside of the capitol have been prosecuted, her attempted clarification makes no sense.

    Are you sure she was referring to the violence of 1/6 and not the peaceful demonstrators?

    What's more, Trump remains Republicans' top choice for 2024 candidate. They have seen what he has done, know that he will do it again, and would elect him anyway. The corruption is not only Trump's; it is the Republican Party's.

    I would prefer deSantis or your Governor to Trump.

    Whatever moral compass one had to disregard in order to support Trump, one now has to disregard in order to support the GOP. And if that's the case, the corruption is yours.

    Let's see how it all plays out first. My Senators have not been real cozy
    with Trump, especially McConnell. One of our Reps seems to be, but he does
    not represent my district.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, February 07, 2022 17:25:10
    On 07 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The RNC is in fact doubling down on Trumpism. Republican representatives Cheney and Kinzinger have been censured for their work on the Jan. 6 committee, with RNC chair McDaniel referring to the violence of 1/6 as "legitimate political discourse." She did try to walk that back, but sin people who demonstrated peacefully outside of the capitol have been prosecuted, her attempted clarification makes no sense.
    Are you sure she was referring to the violence of 1/6 and not the
    peaceful demonstrators?

    Quite sure. Her words, and the censure statement, said that Cheney and Kinzinger were participating in "persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse." Since the 1/6 committee has not persecuted anyone engaged only in peaceful demonstration, this must refer to the insurrectionists.

    What's more, Trump remains Republicans' top choice for 2024 candidate. T have seen what he has done, know that he will do it again, and would ele him anyway. The corruption is not only Trump's; it is the Republican Par
    I would prefer deSantis or your Governor to Trump.

    Inasmuch as they are Republicans who have not denounced Trump's corruption, they are as corrupt as Trump and the rest of the Republican party.

    Whatever moral compass one had to disregard in order to support Trump, o now has to disregard in order to support the GOP. And if that's the case corruption is yours.
    Let's see how it all plays out first. My Senators have not been real
    cozy with Trump, especially McConnell. One of our Reps seems to be, but he does not represent my district.

    He represents your ideology.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, February 08, 2022 08:43:25
    On 07 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The RNC is in fact doubling down on Trumpism. Republican representatives Cheney and Kinzinger have been censured for their work on the Jan. 6 committee, with RNC chair McDaniel referring to the violence of 1/6 as "legitimate political discourse." She did try to walk that back, but sin people who demonstrated peacefully outside of the capitol have been prosecuted, her attempted clarification makes no sense.
    Are you sure she was referring to the violence of 1/6 and not the
    peaceful demonstrators?

    She has subsequently clarified somewhat to indicate that a "little old lady" was involved, but this turned out to be one of the fake electors whose
    acts of fraud were not in fact "legitimate political discourse."

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, February 08, 2022 16:53:20
    Hello Jeff,

    As it becomes increasingly apparent just how corrupt the Trump administration
    was, one might think that Republicans would be doing everything possible to
    distance themselves from Trump. However, in doing so, one would be severely
    mistaken.

    Is there a cure for such madness?

    The RNC is in fact doubling down on Trumpism. Republican representatives Cheney and Kinzinger have been censured for their work on the Jan. 6 committee, with RNC chair McDaniel referring to the violence of 1/6 as "legitimate political discourse." She did try to walk that back, but since no
    people who demonstrated peacefully outside of the capitol have been prosecuted, her attempted clarification makes no sense.

    Maybe the madness is incurable?

    What's more, Trump remains Republicans' top choice for 2024 candidate. They
    have seen what he has done, know that he will do it again, and would elect him anyway. The corruption is not only Trump's; it is the Republican Party's.

    They got him elected once. With help from Russia. Maybe next time
    they can get help from China? Or from Little Rocket Man?

    Whatever moral compass one had to disregard in order to support Trump, one now has to disregard in order to support the GOP. And if that's the case, the
    corruption is yours.

    Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson would make a good moral compass for
    Republicans. So would Shaquille O'Neil. But that is not what is
    wanted by Republicans. And everybody knows it.

    --Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, February 08, 2022 11:00:22
    On 08 Feb 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    As it becomes increasingly apparent just how corrupt the Trump administration
    was, one might think that Republicans would be doing everything possi to
    distance themselves from Trump. However, in doing so, one would be severely
    mistaken.
    Is there a cure for such madness?

    I don't know. I did read an article about a woman who managed to wean her father off of QAnon by getting him addicted to Wordle, but that's anecdotal evidence at best.

    The RNC is in fact doubling down on Trumpism. Republican representati Cheney and Kinzinger have been censured for their work on the Jan. 6 committee, with RNC chair McDaniel referring to the violence of 1/6 a "legitimate political discourse." She did try to walk that back, but no
    people who demonstrated peacefully outside of the capitol have been prosecuted, her attempted clarification makes no sense.
    Maybe the madness is incurable?

    I believe this to be the true "TDS."

    They
    have seen what he has done, know that he will do it again, and would him anyway. The corruption is not only Trump's; it is the Republican Party's.
    They got him elected once. With help from Russia. Maybe next time
    they can get help from China? Or from Little Rocket Man?

    Perhaps. It seems that Trump smuggled official White House documents to Mar-a-Lago and attempts are being made by the National Archives to recover them. Among the documents in question were the dotard's "love letters" from Little Rocket Man.

    Whatever moral compass one had to disregard in order to support Trump now has to disregard in order to support the GOP. And if that's the c the
    corruption is yours.
    Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson would make a good moral compass for
    Republicans. So would Shaquille O'Neil. But that is not what is
    wanted by Republicans. And everybody knows it.

    The RNC recently bragged that they have a record 0.5% of the black candidates running for federal or state offices. That is to say, of all of the black candidates currently running for federal or state offices, 0.5% of the are Republican and 95.5% of them are not Republican. And this is a record.

    Jeff.
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, February 08, 2022 16:44:00
    Whatever moral compass one had to disregard in order to support Trump, now has to disregard in order to support the GOP. And if that's the cas
    corruption is yours.
    Let's see how it all plays out first. My Senators have not been real cozy with Trump, especially McConnell. One of our Reps seems to be, but he does not represent my district.

    He represents your ideology.

    You assume too much.

    You assume he is someone I would vote for. If I was eligible to vote for
    him, and he was running against my current State Rep (a Democrat), I would
    not be voting for him. If he was running against someone like you, I would
    be voting for him, but not because he represents my ideology.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, February 08, 2022 16:30:38
    On 08 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Whatever moral compass one had to disregard in order to support T now has to disregard in order to support the GOP. And if that's t cas
    corruption is yours.
    Let's see how it all plays out first. My Senators have not been re cozy with Trump, especially McConnell. One of our Reps seems to be he does not represent my district.

    He represents your ideology.

    You assume too much.

    Do I?

    You assume he is someone I would vote for. If I was eligible to vote for him, and he was running against my current State Rep (a Democrat), I
    would not be voting for him. If he was running against someone like
    you, I would be voting for him, but not because he represents my
    ideology.

    You would vote for him because of his ideology if he were running against me, because our differences are ideological. Is your current state rep the only Democrat you'd vote for? You stated previously that you would prefer Desantis or Abbott for president over Trump, but they are both to the far right ideologically, and have both cozied up to Trump.

    Ironically, I voted for Abbott when he was AG because of his work combatting internet predators and deadbeat dads. When he became governor, something changed in him. He's not the person now that he was then.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, February 09, 2022 15:49:00
    You assume too much.

    Do I?

    You most certainly do.

    You assume he is someone I would vote for. If I was eligible to vote for
    him, and he was running against my current State Rep (a Democrat), I would not be voting for him. If he was running against someone like you, I would be voting for him, but not because he represents my ideology.

    You would vote for him because of his ideology if he were running against me, because our differences are ideological.

    No, I would be voting for him to vote against you because, although I may
    not agree with his ideology, I find yours less acceptable than his. If I
    was certain you would not win, I would not vote at all, or vote third party but, if I thought you might, I would vote against you for sure.

    If I found you both equally unacceptable, I also would not vote because I
    would not want it on my conscious when one of you won.

    Is your current state rep the only Democrat you'd vote for?

    No but he is a good example.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, February 09, 2022 18:00:04
    On 09 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    You would vote for him because of his ideology if he were running agains because our differences are ideological.

    No, I would be voting for him to vote against you because, although I may not agree with his ideology, I find yours less acceptable than his. If I was certain you would not win, I would not vote at all, or vote third party but, if I thought you might, I would vote against you for sure.

    So it is about ideology.

    If I found you both equally unacceptable, I also would not vote because I would not want it on my conscious when one of you won.

    I see. Did you vote for Trump in 2020?

    Is your current state rep the only Democrat you'd vote for?
    No but he is a good example.

    Interesting.

    Jeff.

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