NY Governor Kathy Hochul has allowed her statewide mask mandate to expire today, meaning that businesses are no longer required by the state to enforce mask mandates.
What's the scientific explanation for this? Kathy's got an election to win this year, and she's afraid that the liberals from NYC aren't enough firepower, so she's seeking support from upstate NYers who dislike the mask mandate.
I personally would not be displeased if our state kept some of the restrictions we still have around for a while longer.
I personally would not be displeased if our state kept some of the restrictions we still have around for a while longer.I'm with you on that. I'm afraid to go to the store now because I know that nobody will be wearing a mask (I will look like the stupid one for wearing one.
I personally would not be displeased if our state kept some of the
restrictions we still have around for a while longer.
I'm with you on that. I'm afraid to go to the store now because I know that
nobody will be wearing a mask (I will look like the stupid one for wearing one.
Dr Fauci said to wear 2 masks to protect against the highly contagious omnicron variant. A month later, Kathy declares "No more masks in NY."
It's like she's asking for more covid infections.
It's like she's asking for more covid infections.
That makes perfect sense, given she is running for governor of NY.
Just think of the outcome, given her new policy. She will now win a landslide, rather than the upcoming election being a nail-biter.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-
Dr Fauci said to wear 2 masks to protect against the highly contagious omnicron variant. A month later, Kathy declares "No more masks in NY."
It's like she's asking for more covid infections.
Dr Fauci said to wear 2 masks to protect against the highly contagiou omnicron variant. A month later, Kathy declares "No more masks in NY.
It's like she's asking for more covid infections.
Like an excuse for "mail in voting for everyone"?
It's like she's asking for more covid infections.
That makes perfect sense, given she is running for governor of NY.
Just think of the outcome, given her new policy. She will now win a
landslide, rather than the upcoming election being a nail-biter.
What if all the voters are sick by election day?
Hello Aaron,
It's like she's asking for more covid infections.
That makes perfect sense, given she is running for governor of NY. Just
think of the outcome, given her new policy. She will now win a
landslide, rather than the upcoming election being a nail-biter.
What if all the voters are sick by election day?
Then she will win by default.
Next question?
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I'm new here...the more I read about New York the happier I am not living there.
I found a coffee mug at a thrift store a few weeks ago. I keep it on my desk, filled with coffee, as I type messages. It is a yellow coffee cup, with black letters (all caps) and a red heart, reading I (red heart) NY.
The only thing better would have been I (red heart) NO. But some folks might have misinterpreted the NO as meaning something other than New Orleans. So maybe it was best to have gotten the NY cup. :)
What if all the voters are sick by election day?
Then she will win by default.
Next question?
Dr Fauci said to wear 2 masks to protect against the highly contagious omnicron variant. A month later, Kathy declares "No more masks in NY."
On 11 Feb 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
Dr Fauci said to wear 2 masks to protect against the highly contagious
omnicron variant. A month later, Kathy declares "No more masks in NY."
No one declared "No more masks in NY." Masks are not forbidden; they're just not mandated. This is another example of you putting words into someone else's mouth so that you can argue against something they never said in the first place (straw man argument).
It's the same tactic I see used in the "masks in school" debate. OneDr Fauci said to wear 2 masks to protect against the highly contagioNo one declared "No more masks in NY." Masks are not forbidden; they' just not mandated. This is another example of you putting words into someone else's mouth so that you can argue against something they nev said in the first place (straw man argument).
omnicron variant. A month later, Kathy declares "No more masks in NY
side wants to force everyone to wear masks at all times, and the other side wants parents to be able to decide if their children wear or don't wear masks. But listening to the mainstream media, you'd think that they want masks banned in school.
The only thing better would have been I (red heart) NO.
But some folks might have misinterpreted the NO as meaning
something other than New Orleans. So maybe it was best to
have gotten the NY cup. :)
Next question?
She's winning more than just an election. She's killing people off to make room for people like herself.
I found a coffee mug at a thrift store a few weeks ago. I keep it onmy
desk, filled with coffee, as I type messages. It is a yellow coffeecup,
with black letters (all caps) and a red heart, reading I (red heart)NY.
The only thing better would have been I (red heart) NO. But somefolks
might have misinterpreted the NO as meaning something other than New
Orleans. So maybe it was best to have gotten the NY cup. :)
I have enjoyed New Orleans many times, Iused to do IT work for St. Tammany Parish hospital from time to time and I have friends in Baton Roug. Regret the fact that it has been 8 or 9 years since I made the trip. Best mudbugs around are in Baton Rouge. St. Tammany is on the north central shore of Lake Ponchartrain. The folks down yonder are just the best. Always friendly
and willing to help out this poor old yankee.
What if all the voters are sick by election day?
Then she will win by default.
Next question?
She's winning more than just an election. She's killing people off to make room for people like herself.
Aaron does not want to be vaccinated, and expects everyone else to wear masks for his protection. He doesn't want a vaccine mandate, but apparently does want a mask mandate. He apparently feels that letting everyone decide for themselves on both vaccines and masks poses a threat to his health. It's actually a very odd position to take, unless you take into account that it allows him to maintain his belief system at the expense of everyone else's.
Aaron does not want to be vaccinated, and expects everyone else to wear for his protection. He doesn't want a vaccine mandate, but apparently do want a mask mandate. He apparently feels that letting everyone decide fo themselves on both vaccines and masks poses a threat to his health. It's actually a very odd position to take, unless you take into account that allows him to maintain his belief system at the expense of everyone else
Not so odd when you consider that one means having something injected
into one's body ("My body my choice" sounds familiar) while the other
only means wearing something *removable* on one's body.
Also not so very odd when you consider the stance of the pro-vax zealot crowd is that Aaron should get a shot in order to protect *THEM* from getting sick. Whether or not Aaron gets sick is not so important to
them.
I chose to both get shots and wear masks. Our society has been lienient about shots for years now so it is no surprise that we are suddenly
having trouble convincing some to take shots now.
No one declared "No more masks in NY." Masks are not forbidden; they're just not mandated. This is another example of you putting words into someone else's mouth so that you can argue against something they never said in the first place (straw man argument).
apparently does want a mask mandate. He apparently feels that letting everyone decide for themselves on both vaccines and masks poses a threat to his health. It's actually a very odd position to take, unless you
take into account that it allows him to maintain his belief system at
the expense of everyone else's.
No one declared "No more masks in NY." Masks are not forbidden; they' just not mandated. This is another example of you putting words into someone else's mouth so that you can argue against something they nev said in the first place (straw man argument).
We no longer have the added safety of having everyone mask up. It's to boost Kathy's chances among upstate conservatives ahead of her 2022 campaign, but it's also going to boost case numbers.
apparently does want a mask mandate. He apparently feels that letting everyone decide for themselves on both vaccines and masks poses a thr to his health. It's actually a very odd position to take, unless you take into account that it allows him to maintain his belief system at the expense of everyone else's.
It's not odd. I'm sure most conservatives would agree with me, whether they're vaccinated or not. Even if vaccinated, nobody wants to catch it and then spread it to their family (not conservative people anyway.)
Kathy wants to be liberal with covid spread to get a few extra votes
from the upstate people (lizard eats fly) many of whom will be pleased with the removal of the masks. She's not about to lose her position by
the heat lamp to a Republican challenger.
On 02-15-22 18:12, Jeff Thiele <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: Masknipulation <=-
Same here. The sheer amount of misinformation put forth by the
anti-vax movement is mind-boggling, as is the ignorance of the people
who believe it.
On 02-15-22 18:12, Jeff Thiele <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: Masknipulation <=-
Same here. The sheer amount of misinformation put forth by the anti-vax
movement is mind-boggling, as is the ignorance of the people who believe
it.
All the while, believing other stuff which is blatantly false, just because they heard it somewhere.
Same here. The sheer amount of misinformation put forth by the anti-
movement is mind-boggling, as is the ignorance of the people who bel
it.
All the while, believing other stuff which is blatantly false, just because they heard it somewhere.
The misinformation put out by Fauci, the CDC, the Biden Administration, the state of New York, the state of Florida, anti-vaxxers, the local media, the national media, etc etc has been monumental. Masks don't
work, masks do work, masks don't work at all, masks work a little bit, masks from China are bad, masks from N95 vendors are good, paper masks
are fine, social disancing is fine, just take the damned shot and you
will be fine,blah blah blah...this Chinese bio-weapon created in Dr Fauci's lab, is being unprosecuted. (trigger warning..hahaha)
And yet, aaron thinks that others should wear masks in order to keep
*him* from getting sick. No one is saying that Aaron can't wear a mask himself if he wants to do so.
And yet, aaron thinks that others should wear masks in order to keep him
from getting sick. No one is saying that Aaron can't wear a mask himself
if he wants to do so.
If a person has covid, they can use the mask to effectively prevent spreading it to other people. However, they can NOT use the vaccine for the same purpose because it's not as effective as masks are at slowing
the spread.
And yet, aaron thinks that others should wear masks in order to keep *him* from getting sick. No one is saying that Aaron can't wear a mas himself if he wants to do so.
If a person has covid, they can use the mask to effectively prevent spreading it to other people. However, they can *NOT* use the vaccine
for the same purpose because it's not as effective as masks are at
slowing the spread.
apparently does want a mask mandate. He apparently feels that letting everyone decide for themselves on both vaccines and masks poses a threat to his health. It's actually a very odd position to take, unless you take into account that it allows him to maintain his belief system at the expense of everyone else's.
It's not odd. I'm sure most conservatives would agree with me, whether they're
vaccinated or not. Even if vaccinated, nobody wants to catch it and then sprea
it to their family (not conservative people anyway.) Kathy wants to be liberal
with covid spread to get a few extra votes from the upstate people (lizard eats fly) many of whom will be pleased with the removal of the masks. She's not about to lose her position by the heat lamp to a Republican challenger.
Most conservatives are very against mandates. Look at what's going on in Canada. By the way, vaccinations also prevents the spread of the disease as well as decreasing one's own odds of catching it.
Most of us can see through the sudden "let's go maskless" craze among politicians who will find themselves up for re-election this year. With Joe's numbers where they are, they know the odds are against them if the stay the "mask/vax/shutdown" course.
Most conservatives are very against mandates. Look at what's going on Canada. By the way, vaccinations also prevents the spread of the dise as well as decreasing one's own odds of catching it.
Most conservatives are confused. They don't realize how helpful masks
are (in a political way.) Notice that truckers didn't get pissed about masks. Neither did healthcare workers. It's the vaccines that they're pissed about, lousy vaccines that don't even slow the spread. Why should lousy vaccines that don't slow the spread become the cause of economic issues and protests? People didn't get *that* angry when it was about masks.
Situations changed over time. No experts said that masks didn't work, nor did they claim that the vaccines were 100% effective.
On 02-16-22 07:34, Brian Indy <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about All Lies <=-
Same here. The sheer amount of misinformation put forth by the anti-vax
movement is mind-boggling, as is the ignorance of the people who believe
it.
All the while, believing other stuff which is blatantly false, just because they heard it somewhere.
The misinformation put out by Fauci, the CDC, the Biden
Administration, the state of New York, the state of Florida, anti-vaxxers, the local media, the national media, etc etc has been monumental.
Masks don't work, masks do work, masks don't
work at all, masks work a little bit, masks from China are
bad, masks from N95 vendors are good, paper masks are fine,
social disancing is fine, just take the damned shot and you
will be fine,blah blah blah...
this Chinese bio-weapon
created in Dr Fauci's lab, is being unprosecuted. (trigger warning..hahaha)
Situations changed over time. No experts said that masks didn't work, did they claim that the vaccines were 100% effective.
You are wrong on this one if you worship St. Fauci, because he was the first to
say, on national TV, that masks didn't work, and actually caused harm.
He was also the one who came up with "two weeks to stop the spread," and who also said that if we got to the point where 70% of the population
was vaccinated, we could lift restrictions. I think it was Wolinsky who said that one you were vaccinated, you couldn't catch or spread it.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
If a person has covid, they can use the mask to effectively prevent spreading it to other people.
However, they can *NOT* use the vaccine
for the same purpose because it's not as effective as masks are at
slowing the spread.
If a person has covid, they can use the mask to effectively prevent spreading it to other people.
Fact check: Mostly false. The mask only REDUCES spreading. None of the masks in use today do anything to filter what you breathe out, only what you breathe in.
So a simple mask will catch the large droplets if you, say, sneeze. But it still allows microbes to escape.
However, they can *NOT* use the vaccine
for the same purpose because it's not as effective as masks are at slowing the spread.
There is no COVID vaccine. It doesn't prevent you from catching or spreading COVID at all.
Most conservatives are confused. They don't realize how helpful masks are (in a political way.) Notice that truckers didn't get pissed about masks. Neither did healthcare workers. It's the vaccines that they're pissed about, lousy vaccines that don't even slow the spread. Why should lousy vaccines that don't slow the spread become the cause of economic issues and protests? People didn't get that angry when it was about masks.
If a person has covid, they can use the mask to effectively prevent
spreading it to other people. However, they can NOT use the vaccine for
the same purpose because it's not as effective as masks are at slowing
the spread.
If those COVID victims are using the cheap Chinese paper masks, they aren't doing anything but causing discomfort to themselves.
Most of us can see through the sudden "let's go maskless" craze among politicians who will find themselves up for re-election this year. With Joe's numbers where they are, they know the odds are against them if the stay the "mask/vax/shutdown" course.
Yes, I'm sure we will. Except for Aaron, that is.
Why would politicians suddenly start a "let's go maskless" craze? You've correctly deduced that it's a ploy for votes, but why would this particular message resonate with voters? Is it because it's aimed at voters who oppose mask mandates? Which voters would these be? Why is that you're claiming that Biden's numbers are affecting these particular politicians? Does that mean that these are liberal politicians we're talking about, and not conservative ones? If liberal politicians are changing their stance from "mask" to "no mask" to get more votes, wouldn't that mean that the liberal position is "mask" while the conservative position is "no mask?"
But Aaron has tried to tell us that "most conservatives" would agree with him on maintaining the mask mandate in New York. His position makes no sense.
But Aaron has tried to tell us that "most conservatives" would agree wit on maintaining the mask mandate in New York. His position makes no sense
Maybe not. The reality is that we are talking about Independent voters who are at play.
Al Thompson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-
Anyone concerned with individual liberty is opposed to government
mandates of either. If you think that the vaccine is "safe and effective," then by all means, get vaccinated. If you think that masks work, then feel free to wear one. But, if you believe that vaccines are effective and masks work, and you are vaccinated and wearing a mask,
then whatever someone else does shouldn't concern you.
Perhaps people are more upset about vaccines since they are something injected in you, and can't be undone. Masks can be removed.
using RNA for attachment and attack of the virus, it seems that the
virus continues to evolve and mutate to the point that the vaccine is rather worthless.
Forcing
someone to get vaccinated is silly.
Most of us can see through the sudden "let's go maskless" craze among politicians who will find themselves up for re-election this year. With Joe's numbers where they are, they know the odds are against them if the stay the "mask/vax/shutdown" course.
Most of us can see through the sudden "let's go maskless" craze among politicians who will find themselves up for re-election this year. W Joe's numbers where they are, they know the odds are against them if stay the "mask/vax/shutdown" course.
Don't get your hopes up. I recently saw an ultra-lefty suggest that not only should we be wearing two masks at all times (even outdoors!), but that we should also be wearing pantyhose over our face to hold the masks tight.
On 17 Feb 2022, Al Thompson said the following...
Situations changed over time. No experts said that masks didn'twork,
did they claim that the vaccines were 100% effective.
You are wrong on this one if you worship St. Fauci, because he was the
first to
say, on national TV, that masks didn't work, and actually caused harm.
He was also the one who came up with "two weeks to stop the spread," and
who also said that if we got to the point where 70% of the population
was vaccinated, we could lift restrictions. I think it was Wolinsky who
said that one you were vaccinated, you couldn't catch or spread it.
Our understanding of the virus, and recommendations based on that understanding, have changed over time.
Your claim was that "no experts said that masks didn't work." I showed where you were wrong, so you then said "well, things changed."
The fact remains that experts DID say that masks didn't work.
The vaccine continues to work against the new strains, although not as well as against the original. This, however, does not mean that the vaccine is "worthless." Also, a lot of the mutation and spread is due to unvaccinated individuals.
Mandatory vaccinations are a major part of public health initiatives around the globe, and have been for decades.
The vaccine continues to work against the new strains, although not as as against the original. This, however, does not mean that the vaccine "worthless." Also, a lot of the mutation and spread is due to unvaccina individuals.
Agreed. I do believe that the spread of the mutated viruses are caused
by the unvaccinated but I also believe if the vaccines were properly designed to attack the source RNA strands of the virus, it could address the mutations before they get out of hand.
Mandatory vaccinations are a major part of public health initiatives ar the globe, and have been for decades.
Only in America do we bitch about our rights when it comes to forced vaccines yet still get the flu, chickenpox, and other vaccines whenever necessary or recommended. I am not a fan of being forced, but I also
feel it is important that people think of others and not just themselves.
Most of us can see through the sudden "let's go maskless" craze among politicians who will find themselves up for re-election this year. With Joe's numbers where they are, they know the odds are against them if the stay the "mask/vax/shutdown" course.
Don't get your hopes up. I recently saw an ultra-lefty suggest that not only ould we be wearing two masks at all times (even outdoors!), but that we should
lso be wearing pantyhose over our face to hold the masks tight.
I'm going to jump into this discussion here and I apologize for starting here.
The vaccines were created, tested, and deployed rather quickly. Although the emise of the COVID-19 vaccine could be viewed as unique, using RNA for attachm
t and attack of the virus, it seems that the virus continues to evolve and mut
e to the point that the vaccine is rather worthless. Although I am vaccinated
by request of my pulmonologist (rare lung disease), the idea that the vaccine
being required by businesses (vax card prior to entry) is ridiculous. Forcin
someone to get vaccinated is silly.
Your claim was that "no experts said that masks didn't work." Ishowed
where you were wrong, so you then said "well, things changed."
The fact remains that experts DID say that masks didn't work.
"When people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought
the Earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the
Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your
view is wronger than both of them put together." -- Isaac Asimov
The "source RNA" of the virus mutates with the virus itself. The vaccine was designed to address the virus pre-mutation. Any expectation that the vaccine could somehow predict random mutations is beyond the scope of current vaccine technology.
Until then, be gone, Troll.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The "source RNA" of the virus mutates with the virus itself. The vacc was designed to address the virus pre-mutation. Any expectation that vaccine could somehow predict random mutations is beyond the scope of current vaccine technology.
Since it's the typical leftie response to anyone posting information
about virii and vaccines, I'm obligated to ask you to show your medical, virogical, and immunological credentials.
Until then, be gone, Troll.
What I don't agree with is most of these companies started mandating vaccination after they already knew that the vaxes were not very
effective
against the newer strains. I believe they did it for brownie points with the
pro-vax and vax-zealot crowds.
I consider myself pro-vax, in that I think people should have gotten
them,
but I don't feel like it is my right to force it on them. Especially since
we as a country have gone rather lax on vaccination in general over the past 20 or so years.
The "source RNA" of the virus mutates with the virus itself. Thevaccine
was designed to address the virus pre-mutation. Any expectation thatthe
vaccine could somehow predict random mutations is beyond the scope of
current vaccine technology.
Since it's the typical leftie response to anyone posting information about virii and vaccines, I'm obligated to ask you to show your medical, virogical, and immunological credentials.
Until then, be gone, Troll.
... and they were granted unlimited immunity from any liability.
Mike Powell wrote to AL THOMPSON <=-
lso be wearing pantyhose over our face to hold the masks tight.
Sounds like a lefty who wants to rob a bank to me. :)
... and they were granted unlimited immunity from any liability.
This part bothers me. I understand that without it we might still not have
a vaccine, even for the elderly, but someone (if not the pharma
companies, the government) should be held responsible for any
side-effects if they are going to mandate that these vaccines be taken by everyone.
Don't get your hopes up. I recently saw an ultra-lefty suggest that not only should we be wearing two masks at all times (even outdoors!), but that we should also be wearing pantyhose over our face to hold the masks tight.
Don't get your hopes up. I recently saw an ultra-lefty suggest that only should we be wearing two masks at all times (even outdoors!), bu that we should also be wearing pantyhose over our face to hold the ma tight.
Who knows what to expect from a Democrat-created virus? They probably designed it to make it look like some other virus did it.
Al Thompson wrote to Mike Powell <=-
Maybe in 30 years, the same pharma companies can make even more
millions selling a drug to treat whatever long-term effects show up.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Al Thompson <=-
Who knows what to expect from a Democrat-created virus?
Interesting that I've never needed a yearly jab for MMR, Shingles, etc. which are actually vaccines - unlike the COVID jab.
This part bothers me. I understand that without it we might still not have
a vaccine, even for the elderly, but someone (if not the pharma companies, the government) should be held responsible for any side-effects if they are going to mandate that these vaccines be taken by
everyone.
This is one reason I am firmly against mandates.
Maybe in 30 years, the same pharma companies can make even more millions selli
a drug to treat whatever long-term effects show up.
Who knows what to expect from a Democrat-created virus?
It certainly wasn't Democrat-created. Those people are morons. If they created it, it would have either done nothing or killed everyone.
COVID is a Democrat-**exploited** virus. But that's not news. The Dems never let a crisis go unexploited - even if they have to create one (*cough* *cough* Ukraine).
Hello Al,
The "source RNA" of the virus mutates with the virus itself. The
vaccine
was designed to address the virus pre-mutation. Any expectation that
the
vaccine could somehow predict random mutations is beyond the scope of
current vaccine technology.
Since it's the typical leftie response to anyone posting information
about virii and vaccines, I'm obligated to ask you to show your medical,
virogical, and immunological credentials.
Jeff identified his source as his high school biology teacher. What's yours?
The "source RNA" of the virus mutates with the virus itself. The
vaccine
thatwas designed to address the virus pre-mutation. Any expectation
the
ofvaccine could somehow predict random mutations is beyond the scope
current vaccine technology.
medical,Since it's the typical leftie response to anyone posting information
about virii and vaccines, I'm obligated to ask you to show your
virogical, and immunological credentials.
Jeff identified his source as his high school biology teacher. What's
yours?
The proper lefty response would be to ask what medical degree and immunology
degree his biology teacher has.
I never claimed to be giving facts about mRNA technology or virology. But I
don't need multiple degrees to question virology if facts given by a high school teacher are reliable.
Jeff Thiele wrote to Ron L. <=-
Vaccines are vaccines. None of them is perfect, but any of them is
better than nothing.
Vaccines are vaccines. None of them is perfect, but any of them is better than nothing.
Can't say I agree with that... I have seen discussion and 'proof' (I didn't do the tests and studies myself, and I am no expert) that COVID vaccines are causing problems. Just like with any other treatment, you have to decide for yourself if the possible side effects are worth the possible benefit or not.
I have seen discussion and 'proof' (I
didn't do the tests and studies myself, and I am no expert) that COVID vaccines are causing problems.
I have seen discussion and 'proof' (I
didn't do the tests and studies myself, and I am no expert) that COVID
vaccines are causing problems.
On Fox News and/or social media no doubt? The rest of the media, even in the
USA, seem to rely on science rather than on GOP crackpots with ulterior motives.
Oh, BTW, did those "discussions" happen to mention e.g. that 99% of those that end up in ICU with COVID are unvaccinated?
Oh, BTW, did those "discussions" happen to mention e.g. that 99% of those
that end up in ICU with COVID are unvaccinated?
Some of them wind up dead. Without even making it to a hospital.
thoseOh, BTW, did those "discussions" happen to mention e.g. that 99% of
that end up in ICU with COVID are unvaccinated?
Some of them wind up dead. Without even making it to a hospital.
So they're so fanatical, they don't even hesitate to kill off their own voters? Are they so sure, that all their voter restrictions, gerrymandering
and other anti-democracy actions will still make them win elections?
Jeezzz, that must need a lot of effort. Do they even have time to serve those that pay their wages? Don't they have to swear an oath to defend the constitution before they get paid?
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