Hey, man,
If you'd like to set up a token BBS so that you don't have to listen to Mike whine about you not being a "sysop" any more, let me know. I'm
pretty sure we can find an extremely inexpensive solution.
Hey, man,
If you'd like to set up a token BBS so that you don't have to listen Mike whine about you not being a "sysop" any more, let me know. I'm pretty sure we can find an extremely inexpensive solution.
But will it cost more than $10? (o_O)
But will it cost more than $10? (o_O)
Almost certainly not, but that's a matter between myself and Lee.
But will it cost more than $10? (o_O)
Almost certainly not, but that's a matter between myself and Lee.
Not if you're discussing it in a public echo, it isn't.
But you know, it's pretty freaking amazing how the same people that say that obtaining a state-issued photo ID isn't a hurdle to voting seem to come up with every excuse in the world why someone can't build a $10
BBS. Everyone should have a photo ID, they say, but we certainly can't expect everyone to have a phone charger. Everyone should have a photo
ID, they say, but we certainly can't expect everyone to have access to a cheap SD card. You even brought up the cost of my time, dude. Pretty freaking amazing.
But you know, it's pretty freaking amazing how the same people that s that obtaining a state-issued photo ID isn't a hurdle to voting seem come up with every excuse in the world why someone can't build a $10 BBS. Everyone should have a photo ID, they say, but we certainly can' expect everyone to have a phone charger. Everyone should have a photo ID, they say, but we certainly can't expect everyone to have access t cheap SD card. You even brought up the cost of my time, dude. Pretty freaking amazing.
What are you talking about? I have never mentioned photo ID. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else who also thinks $10 is an extremely
low estimate for a fully functional BBS?
Perhaps, my bad. Perhaps you could share your insights with your fellow conservatives. The bit about homelessness, having a disability, and/or being elderly was pretty good, too.
Perhaps, my bad. Perhaps you could share your insights with your fell conservatives. The bit about homelessness, having a disability, and/o being elderly was pretty good, too.
Well. So you *can* admit it when you make a mistake. For the record, I am neither liberal nor conservative. I am intelligent enough to know that both sides can make good points. In one issue, I may agree with the liberal point of view; in another, I might side with the conservative.
No matter which, I will always be against foolishness.
Well. So you *can* admit it when you make a mistake. For the record, neither liberal nor conservative. I am intelligent enough to know tha both sides can make good points. In one issue, I may agree with the liberal point of view; in another, I might side with the conservative No matter which, I will always be against foolishness.
With which liberal issues do you agree?
With which liberal issues do you agree?
I suppose one example is the topic of abortions. While I personally am against it, and have saved my own child from such, I am fully pro-choice.
Here's another: I voted for our Liberal Prime Minister (mostly because he promised to legalize cannabis on a federal level). And, while I don't agree with everything he has done, I am extremely thankful for his
efforts to keep me fed and housed when I lost my job during this
pandemic.
And one more for good measure: I am very much against the recent protests taking place in Ottawa. Not the protest itself, because that is a right that we should have. But the reason for the protest is something I do
not agree with.
Does this sate your curiosity?
But you know, it's pretty freaking amazing how the same people that say that obtaining a state-issued photo ID isn't a hurdle to voting seem to come up with every excuse in the world why someone can't build a $10 BBS. Everyone should have a photo ID, they say, but we certainly can't expect everyone to have a phone charger. Everyone should have a photo ID, they say, but we certainly can't expect everyone to have access to a cheap SD card. You even brought up the cost of my time, dude. Pretty freaking amazing.
But you know, it's pretty freaking amazing how the same people that say obtaining a state-issued photo ID isn't a hurdle to voting seem to come with every excuse in the world why someone can't build a $10 BBS. Everyo should have a photo ID, they say, but we certainly can't expect everyone have a phone charger. Everyone should have a photo ID, they say, but we certainly can't expect everyone to have access to a cheap SD card. You e brought up the cost of my time, dude. Pretty freaking amazing.
Misdirection.
Misdirection.
No, truth.
Misdirection.
No, truth.
No, both at best.
For the cost of a $10 Raspberry Pi Zero W, anyone can be a "sysop."
The point is that there is very little preventing *anyone* from becoming
a "sysop."
Those are incidental costs, and not beyond the means of the average FidoNet user.
In fact the person I was referring to, but withouth saying which person, was Lee.
There is nothing stopping the average person from doing the same.
The average person, given the inclination, could do it.
Only people in the most primitive of situations would not be able to
do this for little to nothing.
Virtually anyone can.
A Raspberry Pi Zero W, a copy of Mystic, and an internet connection is
all it takes.
All that's really needed is a phone charger, a low-capacity microSD
card, an the Pi itself.
Those are incidental costs, and not beyond the average FidoNet user. Presumably a FidoNet user already hase a computer with which they can
ssh (or telnet) into the BBS machine.
Or borrow a keyboard, mouse, and display for the purposes of installing the OS.
There was also no restriction on using other, unnamed resources.
Not if one already has parts on hand.
You could prepare the SD card at a library, and then use a smart phone from there, if absolutely necessary.
Actually it doesn't even require the Pi.
...and now not even owning a computer, phone charger, or SD card is a requirement.
BECAUSE JEFF IS JUST AN ANNOYING TROLL.
Let's review, shall we? Jeff says that some of us are not caught up, and apparently he's never wrong.
For the cost of a $10 Raspberry Pi Zero W, anyone can be a "sysop."
Everything else is irrelevant.
Everything else is irrelevant.
Wrong again! How did you graduate, with so many wrong answers?
This is where it all began. But, at the end, nearly every word has been changed. See if you can spot the differences:
The point is that there is very little preventing *anyone* from becom a "sysop."
Those are incidental costs, and not beyond the means of the average FidoNet user.
In fact the person I was referring to, but withouth saying which pers was Lee.
There is nothing stopping the average person from doing the same.
The average person, given the inclination, could do it.
Only people in the most primitive of situations would not be able to do this for little to nothing.
Virtually anyone can.
To sum up, anyone, *anyone*, the average FidoNet user, Lee, the average person, only certain people, and finally, back to 'virtually' anyone,
can do this.
Do what, you ask? Build a BBS with a very specific device and budget.
A Raspberry Pi Zero W, a copy of Mystic, and an internet connection i all it takes.
All that's really needed is a phone charger, a low-capacity microSD card, an the Pi itself.
Those are incidental costs, and not beyond the average FidoNet user. Presumably a FidoNet user already hase a computer with which they can ssh (or telnet) into the BBS machine.
Or borrow a keyboard, mouse, and display for the purposes of installi the OS.
There was also no restriction on using other, unnamed resources.
Not if one already has parts on hand.
You could prepare the SD card at a library, and then use a smart phon from there, if absolutely necessary.
Whew! A Pi Zero W, internet, a phone charger, a microSD card, incidental costs, a second computer, keyboard, mouse, and display, other unnamed resources, parts on hand, library access and a smart phone. Did I miss anything? You must buy all of this, for $10.
Oh, wait!
Actually it doesn't even require the Pi.
...and now not even owning a computer, phone charger, or SD card is a requirement.
Just how many times can one person change their story, anyway? Anyone, *anyone*, the average FidoNet user, the average person, only certain people and 'virtually' anyone, as long as they have a brain, would say "what a crock of smelly stuff!" Actually, it doesn't even require the brain!
------
Great, we're all caught up now. And why have we been listening to all of this? I think Brian said it best:
BECAUSE JEFF IS JUST AN ANNOYING TROLL.
*mic drop*
Everything else is irrelevant.
Wrong again! How did you graduate, with so many wrong answers?
I made a claim, I proved the claim.
Everything else is irrelevant.
Wrong again! How did you graduate, with so many wrong answers?
Actually, no. Not wrong. Considering that the 'everything else' he called irrelevant is precisely 'everything Jeff has said on this
subject'...It's true. It's irrelevant.
For reference, here is the 'irrelevant' bit:
Actually, no. Not wrong. Considering that the 'everything else' he ca irrelevant is precisely 'everything Jeff has said on this subject'...It's true. It's irrelevant.
The sub-$10 BBS is out there for everyone to see. Quite often the first solution is not the best solution. The solution I provided met the requirements of my original claim.
Nothing you have said disputes that.
It's done. The sub-$10 BBS exists. It is currently accepting users over the internet. You've lost.
BECAUSE JEFF IS JUST AN ANNOYING TROLL.
Blah, blah, blah.
The requirements of my claim were fulfilled, and my claim was proven.
The sub-$10 BBS exists.
It is currently accepting users on the internet.
The claim was proven.
You've lost.
BECAUSE JEFF IS JUST AN ANNOYING TROLL.
I made a claim, I proved the claim.
You made many claims. You have yet to prove any of them.
With regards to your 'free' BBS: the computer you're using right now, the same one you used to set up the BBS, wasn't free. Therefore, using it to set up the BBS results in it no longer being free.
To sum up, anyone, *anyone*, the average FidoNet user, Lee, the average person, only certain people, and finally, back to 'virtually' anyone,
can do this.
Whew! A Pi Zero W, internet, a phone charger, a microSD card, incidental costs, a second computer, keyboard, mouse, and display, other unnamed resources, parts on hand, library access and a smart phone. Did I miss anything?
False. I set up a BBS for less than $10.
I did use my own computer, but it was not purchased exclusively for setting up a sub-$10 BBS.
I could have gone to my local
library, a school if I'm enrolled, or an internet cafe.
It was indeed free.
Actually, no. Not wrong. Considering that the 'everything else' irrelevant is precisely 'everything Jeff has said on this subject'...It's true. It's irrelevant.
The sub-$10 BBS is out there for everyone to see. Quite often the fir solution is not the best solution. The solution I provided met the requirements of my original claim.
Except for one teeny tiny problem...all the limits of this so-called
'free tier'. It would not take much to send any one of a number of variables over the specified limits, resulting in it no longer being
free. It remains to be seen if this 'free' BBS (that you had to buy a computer to create) is still functional in three month's time, when your credit expires. If you have any credit remaining by then.
The requirements of my claim were fulfilled, and my claim was proven.
Still false. You have yet to provide a working BBS on a Pi Zero W for
$10 or less.
The sub-$10 BBS exists.
Which is not what you claimed was possible. Irrelevant.
It is currently accepting users on the internet.
It has accepted no users.
The claim was proven.Where is this Pi-powered BBS for $10?
You've lost.
The only loser here is, has been, and always will be, you. Tell us why, Brian!
BECAUSE JEFF IS JUST AN ANNOYING TROLL.
False. I set up a BBS for less than $10.
False. You had to purchase an entire computer, with all attached peripherals, in order to do so.
I did use my own computer, but it was not purchased exclusively for setting up a sub-$10 BBS.
Irrelevant. It was still purchased.
I could have gone to my local
library, a school if I'm enrolled, or an internet cafe.
But you didn't. Therefore, you don't have a sub-$10 BBS.
It was indeed free.
Not unless you stole your entire computer setup...
Meanwhile, it *still* isn't a $10 Pi-based BBS, as you originally
claimed.
I did not have to purchase a computer to set up this BBS.
You are clearly not familiar with...
Blah, blah, blah.
I did not have to do that. Free alternatives were, and are, available.
I did use my own computer, but it was not purchased exclusively setting up a sub-$10 BBS.
Irrelevant. It was still purchased.
It wasn't required, though. Free alternatives exist (see above).
I could have gone to my local
library, a school if I'm enrolled, or an internet cafe.
But you didn't. Therefore, you don't have a sub-$10 BBS.
I didn't, only because I already have a computer at my disposal. The computer was not purchased specifically for setting up a BBS and if it were not available free alternatives exist (see above).
It was indeed free.
Not unless you stole your entire computer setup...
The computer system was already in my possession, but setting up the BBS would have been possible even if that were not the case (see above).
Meanwhile, it *still* isn't a $10 Pi-based BBS, as you originally claimed.
I originally claimed that it could be done for the cost of a $10 Pi, not that it would need to run on a Pi.
A Raspberry Pi Zero W, a copy of Mystic, and an internet connection is
all it takes.
When the children's advocacy ads come on the television and tell you
that you could sponsor a child for less than the cost of a cup of coffee per day, you don't really think they buying those kids coffee, do you?
The claim did not require the BBS to be running on a Pi, only that it be accomplished within the price of one. We've been over this.
The sub-$10 BBS exists.
Which is not what you claimed was possible. Irrelevant.
That is exactly what I claimed was possible.
It is currently accepting users on the internet.
It has accepted no users.
That is irrelevant. I have done nothing to prevent users from signing up.
The claim was proven.Where is this Pi-powered BBS for $10?
That was not the claim. The BBS created for the cost of a $10 Pi is at 35.239.230.85, port 3232. But you already knew that.
You've lost.
The only loser here is, has been, and always will be, you. Tell us wh Brian!
We have not heard from Brian since he was informed that my claim did not stipulate that the BBS be run on a Pi.
BECAUSE JEFF IS JUST AN ANNOYING TROLL.
Jeff has set up a sub-$10 BBS. What has Shaun done?
Have you considered the possibility that you're the annoying troll?
Shaun Buzza wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
Perhaps, my bad. Perhaps you could share your insights with your fellow conservatives. The bit about homelessness, having a disability, and/or being elderly was pretty good, too.
Well. So you *can* admit it when you make a mistake. For the record, I
am neither liberal nor conservative. I am intelligent enough to know
that both sides can make good points. In one issue, I may agree with
the liberal point of view; in another, I might side with the
conservative. No matter which, I will always be against foolishness.
Shaun Buzza wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
Everything else is irrelevant.
Wrong again! How did you graduate, with so many wrong answers?
I did not have to do that. Free alternatives were, and are, available
Irrelevant. You *did* do that. You chose not to use free alternatives, therefore using equipment that exceeds the $10 limit.
Perhaps, my bad. Perhaps you could share your insights with your fell conservatives. The bit about homelessness, having a disability, and/o being elderly was pretty good, too.
Well. So you *can* admit it when you make a mistake. For the record, am neither liberal nor conservative. I am intelligent enough to know that both sides can make good points. In one issue, I may agree with the liberal point of view; in another, I might side with the conservative. No matter which, I will always be against foolishness.
All Leftie arguments are reduced to name calling when they lose.
All Leftie arguments are reduced to name calling when they lose.
That was just Jeff's setup to start labeling you some sort of Leftie
I did not have to do that. Free alternatives were, and are, avai
Irrelevant. You *did* do that. You chose not to use free alternatives therefore using equipment that exceeds the $10 limit.
Nonsense. If I'd walked or biked to the library, you'd probably be saying that the cost of the bicycle and/or my shoes exceeds the $10 limit.
You're being ridiculous.
Perhaps, my bad. Perhaps you could share your insights with your conservatives. The bit about homelessness, having a disability, being elderly was pretty good, too.
Well. So you *can* admit it when you make a mistake. For the rec am neither liberal nor conservative. I am intelligent enough to that both sides can make good points. In one issue, I may agree the liberal point of view; in another, I might side with the conservative. No matter which, I will always be against foolishn
All Leftie arguments are reduced to name calling when they lose.
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On 17 Feb 2022, Shaun Buzza said the following...
Everything else is irrelevant.
Wrong again! How did you graduate, with so many wrong answers?
I made a claim, I proved the claim.
You seem to be stuck on what happened in the middle.
I made a claim, I proved the claim.
You seem to be stuck on what happened in the middle.
When I was in school, I had a calculus assignment. I did the assignment using a formula I used in physics. So, in the end, I got the right
answer but, since I did not follow directions, I didn't get the same credit for it that others did who followed directions.
The difference between that story and yours is that I did not follow someone else's directions. You didn't even follow your own. You proved that a sysop, with prior knowledge of setting up a BBS, was able to set
up a BBS for "free."
You did not prove that "anyone," or "virtually anyone" could set up a
BBS, on a Pi Zero, or virtual machine or anywhere else, for less than
$10.
Although you have stated it is not important, I also believe getting it set up, and keeping it working, are different things. "Sysop" is short for "System Operator" which implies that one can "operate the system," which implies they can keep it working.
The difference between that story and yours is that I did not follow someone else's directions. You didn't even follow your own. You pro that a sysop, with prior knowledge of setting up a BBS, was able to s up a BBS for "free."
Free <= the cost of a $10 Raspberry Pi Zero W.
You did not prove that "anyone," or "virtually anyone" could set up a BBS, on a Pi Zero, or virtual machine or anywhere else, for less than $10.
The claim did not require setting it up on a Pi Zero. And because all
that is needed is access to a web browser on an internet-connected
device that the "sysop" need not even own, virtually anyone can.
A Raspberry Pi Zero W, a copy of Mystic, and an internet connection is
all it takes.
Although you have stated it is not important, I also believe getting set up, and keeping it working, are different things. "Sysop" is sho for "System Operator" which implies that one can "operate the system, which implies they can keep it working.
It can be kept working using a web browser on an internet-connected device, which the "sysop" need not even own.
Let's review, shall we? Jeff says that some of us are not caught up, and apparently he's never wrong.
For the cost of a $10 Raspberry Pi Zero W, anyone can be a "sysop."
This is where it all began. But, at the end, nearly every word has been changed. See if you can spot the differences:
The point is that there is very little preventing *anyone* from
becoming a "sysop."
To sum up, anyone, *anyone*, the average FidoNet user, Lee, the average person, only certain people, and finally, back to 'virtually' anyone, can do
this.
Do what, you ask? Build a BBS with a very specific device and budget.
I made a claim, I proved the claim.
You seem to be stuck on what happened in the middle.
When I was in school, I had a calculus assignment. I did theassignment
using a formula I used in physics. So, in the end, I got the right
answer but, since I did not follow directions, I didn't get the same
credit for it that others did who followed directions.
The difference between that story and yours is that I did not followproved
someone else's directions. You didn't even follow your own. You
that a sysop, with prior knowledge of setting up a BBS, was able toset
up a BBS for "free."
Free <= the cost of a $10 Raspberry Pi Zero W.
You did not prove that "anyone," or "virtually anyone" could set up a
BBS, on a Pi Zero, or virtual machine or anywhere else, for less than
$10.
The claim did not require setting it up on a Pi Zero. And because all that is
needed is access to a web browser on an internet-connected device that the "sysop" need not even own, virtually anyone can.
Although you have stated it is not important, I also believe gettingit
set up, and keeping it working, are different things. "Sysop" isshort
for "System Operator" which implies that one can "operate thesystem,"
which implies they can keep it working.
It can be kept working using a web browser on an internet-connected device,
which the "sysop" need not even own.
But you know, it's pretty freaking amazing how the same people that say that obtaining a state-issued photo ID isn't a hurdle to voting seem to come up with every excuse in the world why someone can't build a $10 BBS. Everyone should have a photo ID, they say, but we certainly can't expect everyone to have a phone charger. Everyone should have a photo ID, they say, but we certainly can't expect everyone to have access to a cheap SD card. You even brought up the cost of my time, dude. Pretty freaking amazing.
But you know, it's pretty freaking amazing how the same people that s that obtaining a state-issued photo ID isn't a hurdle to voting seem come up with every excuse in the world why someone can't build a $10 Everyone should have a photo ID, they say, but we certainly can't exp everyone to have a phone charger. Everyone should have a photo ID, th say, but we certainly can't expect everyone to have access to a cheap card. You even brought up the cost of my time, dude. Pretty freaking amazing.
Do you honeestly not see the difference between an ID the state provides for FREE compared to products made of resources that someone has to
design and build, ship, and sell to you?
If you honestly believe that there is no difference between those two,
are you now going to claim that owning a computer is a right?
If you honestly believe that there is no difference between those two, are you now going to claim that owning a computer is a right?
I am not. Are you going to claim that having a state-issued photo ID is a right?
If you honestly believe that there is no difference between those t are you now going to claim that owning a computer is a right?
I am not. Are you going to claim that having a state-issued photo ID is right?
That brings up a good point. I think it should a right. In states that offer one for free, it is close to being one.
You are starting to think proactively about this. Now you need to
suggest this idea to some of your state legislators.
If you honestly believe that there is no difference between those two,
are you now going to claim that owning a computer is a right?
I am not. Are you going to claim that having a state-issued photo ID is a
right?
That brings up a good point. I think it should a right. In states that offer one for free, it is close to being one.
You are starting to think proactively about this. Now you need to suggest this idea to some of your state legislators.
You are starting to think proactively about this. Now you need to suggest this idea to some of your state legislators.
Republicans have a supermajority in the Texas legislature. Making photo ID a right would defeat all the work they've done to suppress voting and maintain that supermajority. They have no incentive to make it a right, and every incentive not to.
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
When I was in school, I had a calculus assignment. I did the
assignment using a formula I used in physics. So, in the end, I got
the right answer but, since I did not follow directions, I didn't get
the same credit for it that others did who followed directions.
Although you have stated it is not important, I also believe getting it set up, and keeping it working, are different things. "Sysop" is short for "System Operator" which implies that one can "operate the system," which implies they can keep it working.
Al Thompson wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
If you honestly believe that there is no difference between those two,
are you now going to claim that owning a computer is a right?
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
That brings up a good point. I think it should a right. In states that offer one for free, it is close to being one.
You are starting to think proactively about this. Now you need to
suggest this idea to some of your state legislators.
You are starting to think proactively about this. Now you need to suggest this idea to some of your state legislators.
Republicans have a supermajority in the Texas legislature. Making photo right would defeat all the work they've done to suppress voting and main that supermajority. They have no incentive to make it a right, and every incentive not to.
I would think trying hard to undue what those evil Republicans did, while being able to claim a moral high road (helping people become more easily able to vote), would appeal to you.
On 02-20-22 11:32, Ron L. <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: "Sysop" <=-
This it the Leftie "new math" thinking. In their fantasy world 3*5
does not equal 5*3.
This it the Leftie "new math" thinking. In their fantasy world 3*5 does not equal 5*3.
As a mathematician, such nonsense offends me.
3*5This it the Leftie "new math" thinking. In their fantasy world
does not equal 5*3.
As a mathematician, such nonsense offends me.
Yeah, such ignorance is offensive. There is more than one way to skin a cat,
but a skinned cat is still a skinned cat. Not that I've ever skinned a cat;
the very idea repulses me. Nevertheless...
Yeah, such ignorance is offensive. There is more than one way to skin cat,
but a skinned cat is still a skinned cat. Not that I've ever skinned cat;
the very idea repulses me. Nevertheless...
Why would you find that repulsive? I've skinned nutria, squirrel,
rabbit ...
When I was in school, I had a calculus assignment. I did the
assignment using a formula I used in physics. So, in the end, I got
the right answer but, since I did not follow directions, I didn't get the same credit for it that others did who followed directions.
This it the Leftie "new math" thinking. In their fantasy world 3*5 does not equal 5*3.
Perhaps, but they are powerless to do anything about it.
I would think trying hard to undue what those evil Republicans did, while
being able to claim a moral high road (helping people become more easily able to vote), would appeal to you.
Futility does not appeal to me.
Perhaps, but they are powerless to do anything about it.
I would think trying hard to undue what those evil Republicans did, while
being able to claim a moral high road (helping people become more e able to vote), would appeal to you.
skinYeah, such ignorance is offensive. There is more than one way to
skinnedcat,
but a skinned cat is still a skinned cat. Not that I've ever
cat;
the very idea repulses me. Nevertheless...
Why would you find that repulsive? I've skinned nutria, squirrel,
rabbit ...
I suppose it's cultural in that we don't regularly eat cats here but treat them as pets. When an instance of a skinned cat hits the news, it's far more
likely the work of some deranged animal-torturer on their way to becoming a
serial killer than someone looking to make a hearty stew for dinner.
Perhaps, but they are powerless to do anything about it.
did,I would think trying hard to undue what those evil Republicans
more ewhile
being able to claim a moral high road (helping people become
able to vote), would appeal to you.
There are plenty of Democrats in Texas, just not enough to overcome the gerrymandering and voter suppression. Yet. We're getting closer.
Why would you find that repulsive? I've skinned nutria, squirrel,
rabbit ...
I suppose it's cultural in that we don't regularly eat cats here but them as pets. When an instance of a skinned cat hits the news, it's f more
likely the work of some deranged animal-torturer on their way to beco a
serial killer than someone looking to make a hearty stew for dinner.
In December 2018, the Dog and Cat Meat Trade Prohibition Act of 2018
was signed into federal law making the consumption of cat meat illegal
and punishable by a fine of $5,000, except as part of Native American religious ceremonies. Previous to that bill, consuming cat meat was technically legal in 44 states.
There are plenty of Democrats in Texas, just not enough to overcome t gerrymandering and voter suppression. Yet. We're getting closer.
Beto O'Rourke does not need gerrymandering or voter suppression
to win election as governor of Texas ...
Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-
This it the Leftie "new math" thinking. In their fantasy world 3*5 does not equal 5*3.
I could have been leftie, but it is not so new now... that would have
been in the 1980's. :)
This it the Leftie "new math" thinking. In their fantasy world 3*5 doe equal 5*3.
I could have been leftie, but it is not so new now... that would have been in the 1980's. :)
It's being called out now. There are pictures/videos of parents who are mad because their kid failed the math test based on this.
Ex: The question is "show 5x3" and the kid makes 5 rows of 3 each.
But "the answer" is 3 rows of 5 each.
As those of us who are educated know, the answer is 15 and both 5x3 and 3x5 are correct.
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rabbit ...
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serial killer than someone looking to make a hearty stew for
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was signed into federal law making the consumption of cat meat
and punishable by a fine of $5,000, except as part of Native American
religious ceremonies. Previous to that bill, consuming cat meat was
technically legal in 44 states.
I mean, they are animals (as are we). Ironically, the question of skinning a
cat has provided me with some food for thought. ;) I don't know exactly what
makes it different.
However, as far as the saying goes... I wonder if the challenge of skinning
a
cat without getting skinned *by* the cat has anything to do with it. I've bathed cats and most are not amused.
We did have one, though, that would go "catatonic" when soaked with water. I
was bathing him and he seemed very, very relaxed, so I let go of him to see
what he would do. He just sank under the water, with a stream of little bubbles coming out of his nose. (I didn't let my pet cat drown.)
overcome tThere are plenty of Democrats in Texas, just not enough to
gerrymandering and voter suppression. Yet. We're getting closer.
Beto O'Rourke does not need gerrymandering or voter suppression
to win election as governor of Texas ...
He doesn't need it, no, but the use of such tactics by his opponents makes winning difficult.
3*5 doeThis it the Leftie "new math" thinking. In their fantasy world
equal 5*3.
haveI could have been leftie, but it is not so new now... that would
been in the 1980's. :)
It's being called out now. There are pictures/videos of parents whoare
mad because their kid failed the math test based on this.
This would be Common Core, which has also been around for some time now.
overcome tThere are plenty of Democrats in Texas, just not enough to
gerrymandering and voter suppression. Yet. We're getting closer.
Beto O'Rourke does not need gerrymandering or voter suppression
to win election as governor of Texas ...
He doesn't need it, no, but the use of such tactics by his opponents winning difficult.
What Texas needs is a man with balls.
Polls are showing Beto O'Rourke tied or
leading the incumbent.
Gonna be a fun election night ...
If you honestly believe that there is no difference between those two,
are you now going to claim that owning a computer is a right?
I am not. Are you going to claim that having a state-issued photo ID is a
right?
That brings up a good point. I think it should a right. In states that
offer one for free, it is close to being one.
Far from it. It costs real money to get the government-issued documents necessary to be able to get a "free" state-issued photo ID. This cost, as well as the means to travel, is too prohibitive for many of the poor, who would not likely vote for conservative politicians.
Therefore, conservative politicians will continue to make voting as difficult as possible for the poor, resulting in more voter suppression rather than less.
You are starting to think proactively about this. Now you need to
suggest
this idea to some of your state legislators.
Since conservative politicians cannot win election without voter suppression, it is unlikely that any of them will be in favor of using taxpayer dollars to help pay the cost for poor folks to get the government-issued documents necessary to obtain "free" state-issued photo IDs.
two,If you honestly believe that there is no difference between those
are you now going to claim that owning a computer is a right?
is aI am not. Are you going to claim that having a state-issued photo ID
right?
thatThat brings up a good point. I think it should a right. In states
offer one for free, it is close to being one.
Far from it. It costs real money to get the government-issueddocuments
necessary to be able to get a "free" state-issued photo ID. Thiscost, as
well as the means to travel, is too prohibitive for many of the poor,who
would not likely vote for conservative politicians.
Therefore, conservative politicians will continue to make voting assuppression
difficult as possible for the poor, resulting in more voter
rather than less.
You are starting to think proactively about this. Now you need to
suggest
this idea to some of your state legislators.
Since conservative politicians cannot win election without voterusing
suppression, it is unlikely that any of them will be in favor of
taxpayer dollars to help pay the cost for poor folks to get thephoto
government-issued documents necessary to obtain "free" state-issued
IDs.
My son needed a birth certificate and 2 pieces of mail. Where are these onerous burdens you seem to think exist?
And besides, we still are left with the fact that people need a state issued
ID to get a job, get welfare, get food stamps, buy cigarettes, get on a train or plane, see a doctor, or cash checks.
Yet you draw the line at voting?
It seems like an arbitrary, but political, line in the sand.
Lee Lofaso wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
Polls are showing Beto O'Rourke tied or
leading the incumbent.
Gonna be a fun election night ...
Polls are showing Beto O'Rourke tied or
leading the incumbent.
Gonna be a fun election night ...
What bothers me is if Beto wins then he's one step closer
to president. The man who said hell yes we're going to take
your AR-15's and AK-47's.
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