• Re: Indiana Voter Id Is F

    From MIKE POWELL@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, February 18, 2022 15:19:00
    | You could request a replacement driver's license, but do you think that the
    | state just hands out copies of Mike Powell's driver's license to anyone that | asks? Likewise the other forms of identification. However, if a utility bill | arrived at your now-incinerated home, you'd be in luck.
    +-[JT=>MP]

    Wait, you mean a greenie like you still gets a *paper* utility bill?
    C'mon, man, you got to catch up with the times and save those trees!

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to MIKE POWELL on Friday, February 18, 2022 19:26:55
    On 18 Feb 2022, MIKE POWELL said the following...
    | You could request a replacement driver's license, but do you think
    that the | state just hands out copies of Mike Powell's driver's license to anyone that | asks? Likewise the other forms of identification. However, if a utility bill | arrived at your now-incinerated home, you'd be in luck. +-[JT=>MP]

    Wait, you mean a greenie like you still gets a *paper* utility bill? C'mon, man, you got to catch up with the times and save those trees!

    Not me, but others certainly do.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, February 19, 2022 09:33:00
    On 18 Feb 2022, MIKE POWELL said the following...
    | You could request a replacement driver's license, but do you think that the | state just hands out copies of Mike Powell's driver's license to anyone that | asks? Likewise the other forms of identification. However, if a utility bill | arrived at your now-incinerated home, you'd be in luck. +-[JT=>MP]

    Wait, you mean a greenie like you still gets a *paper* utility bill? C'mon, man, you got to catch up with the times and save those trees!

    Not me, but others certainly do.

    Sounds like we need that ID even more then, with all our bills going
    paperless.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, February 19, 2022 10:22:06
    On 19 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    On 18 Feb 2022, MIKE POWELL said the following...
    | You could request a replacement driver's license, but do you thin that the | state just hands out copies of Mike Powell's driver's li to anyone that | asks? Likewise the other forms of identification. However, if a utility bill | arrived at your now-incinerated home, be in luck. +-[JT=>MP]

    Wait, you mean a greenie like you still gets a *paper* utility bill C'mon, man, you got to catch up with the times and save those trees

    Not me, but others certainly do.

    Sounds like we need that ID even more then, with all our bills going paperless.

    You seem to be confused. A bill isn't *required* to vote. There are other options, including a state-issued photo ID, if one has one. Different people may be in different situations.

    Jeff.

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  • From MIKE POWELL@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, February 19, 2022 08:51:00
    | MP> > MP> I will admit that voter fraud is virtually non-existent enough that
    | MP> > MP> can ignore it the day that you admit that all of these alleged hurd
    | MP> > MP> to
    | MP> > MP> getting a valid ID are also virtually non-existent enough that we c
    | MP> > MP> ignore them.
    | [...]
    | Of course I wouldn't agree to it; it's a false statement.
    +-[JT=>MP]

    You look at it like:

    Number of people caught = Number of people who do it (or close enough)

    I look at it like I look at several other offenses, where the number of
    people caught = only the number of people caught. There are many speeders
    who never get caught.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to MIKE POWELL on Saturday, February 19, 2022 15:37:46
    On 19 Feb 2022, MIKE POWELL said the following...
    You look at it like:

    Number of people caught = Number of people who do it (or close enough)

    I look at it like I look at several other offenses, where the number of people caught = only the number of people caught. There are many
    speeders who never get caught.

    The lieutenant governor of Texas has offered a bounty of up to $1 million for information leading to the conviction of vote fraudsters in any state. He's only had one taker, from Pennsylvania. Sounds like easy money, if the problem is as widespread as you seem to think it is.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, February 20, 2022 10:36:00
    I look at it like I look at several other offenses, where the number of people caught = only the number of people caught. There are many speeders who never get caught.

    The lieutenant governor of Texas has offered a bounty of up to $1 million for information leading to the conviction of vote fraudsters in any state. He's only had one taker, from Pennsylvania. Sounds like easy money, if the problem is as widespread as you seem to think it is.

    The first I have heard of that is here. I wonder how many others have
    missed it, or realize that it means "in any state"?

    One thing I question about it... whose money is he using? I would not
    think it would be legal to use state tax money to pay a bounty outside of the state, unless it involved fraud within the state.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, February 20, 2022 10:39:03
    On 20 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I look at it like I look at several other offenses, where the numbe people caught = only the number of people caught. There are many speeders who never get caught.

    The lieutenant governor of Texas has offered a bounty of up to $1 millio information leading to the conviction of vote fraudsters in any state. H only had one taker, from Pennsylvania. Sounds like easy money, if the pr is as widespread as you seem to think it is.

    The first I have heard of that is here. I wonder how many others have missed it, or realize that it means "in any state"?

    It's been in the news, not so much recently as when he first introduced it.
    The guy from Pennsylvania certainly knew about it, and that tips from/about
    any state would be rewarded.

    One thing I question about it... whose money is he using? I would not think it would be legal to use state tax money to pay a bounty outside
    of the state, unless it involved fraud within the state.

    Apparently it comes from his campaign account. I'm not sure how legal that
    is, either. At any rate, despite offering "up to $1 million" he seems to be quite stingy with it. The fellow from Pennsylvania only got $25K.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, February 21, 2022 16:30:00
    One thing I question about it... whose money is he using? I would not think it would be legal to use state tax money to pay a bounty outside of the state, unless it involved fraud within the state.

    Apparently it comes from his campaign account. I'm not sure how legal that is, either. At any rate, despite offering "up to $1 million" he seems to be quite stingy with it. The fellow from Pennsylvania only got $25K.

    $25K might be worth it if you did not have to do too much legwork to put together what, to him, would be $25K worth of proof. OTOH, if I learned he only gave out $25K to the first person who showed proof and also learned
    that it took that person a lot of time/money, I might decide that dealing
    with the stingy Texan is not worth my investment. :)


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, February 21, 2022 16:54:06
    On 21 Feb 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    One thing I question about it... whose money is he using? I would think it would be legal to use state tax money to pay a bounty outs of the state, unless it involved fraud within the state.

    Apparently it comes from his campaign account. I'm not sure how legal th is, either. At any rate, despite offering "up to $1 million" he seems to quite stingy with it. The fellow from Pennsylvania only got $25K.

    I suspect that the lowballed reward had more to do with the fraudster being a registered Republican, and I suspect that the bounty on Democrats would be
    much higher, if only there were any.

    Jeff.

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