• Re: Sex, Drugs, and the GOP

    From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, April 01, 2022 00:21:59
    On 31 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Nope, none of us. I hadn't considered it in terms of the pro-lifers, but is true that an amazing number of rabidly anti-gay religious leaders and politicians turn out to be gay themselves.

    I would suspect there could be some things going on with rabid
    pro-lifers, not the ones that simply believe that abortion is wrong but the ones that actually show up at clinics to curse at women, that follow similar lines.

    And then, of course, there are now Madison Cawthorn's claims that D.C. Republicans engage in cocaine-fueled orgies.

    You have to wonder what's going on there. Is Cawthorn a whistleblower, or is spreading baseless conspiracy theories just the new status quo for the MAGA, "America First" crowd when their power is threatened?

    Jeff.

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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, April 01, 2022 12:01:00
    Jeff Thiele wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    And then, of course, there are now Madison Cawthorn's claims that D.C. Republicans engage in cocaine-fueled orgies.

    Maybe the cocaine-fueled orgies aren't wheelchair accessible and he's pissed off. I mean, he seems like another crybaby who keeps screaming MAGA MAGA MAGA even though he's doing nothing for North Carolina.

    You have to wonder what's going on there. Is Cawthorn a whistleblower,
    or is spreading baseless conspiracy theories just the new status quo
    for the MAGA, "America First" crowd when their power is threatened?

    Cawthorn is one more idiot that needs to be removed from "power". Similar to the "Tea Party" Republicans from the 00s, now we have the "MAGA" Republicans who think America is fucked when it simply needs a good rebooting.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, April 04, 2022 16:46:00
    Nope, none of us. I hadn't considered it in terms of the pro-lifers, bu
    is true that an amazing number of rabidly anti-gay religious leaders an
    politicians turn out to be gay themselves.

    I would suspect there could be some things going on with rabid pro-lifers, not the ones that simply believe that abortion is wrong but the ones that actually show up at clinics to curse at women, that follow similar lines.

    And then, of course, there are now Madison Cawthorn's claims that D.C. Republicans engage in cocaine-fueled orgies.

    You have to wonder what's going on there. Is Cawthorn a whistleblower, or is spreading baseless conspiracy theories just the new status quo for the MAGA, "America First" crowd when their power is threatened?

    OK, I don't know who that is so I will have to take you word for it. If Cawthorn is "MAGA," is he/she only accusing the "RHINOs" of such behavior?

    For some people who consider themselves MAGA (and even going back to before MAGA was a thing), spreading/believing such conspiracies are their thing.
    There were many tabloids like the National Inquirer, back in the day,
    because people believed such odd-ball stuff. I don't think that is
    restricted to the MAGA crowd. There were things that got labeled
    as part of the "Russian misinformation" theory that are turning out to be
    true, and that conspiracy was not a MAGA thing.

    Back in the 1980's, there was some conspiracy theory going round that
    Ronald Reagan was the devil, or one of his cohorts, because of something to
    do with the number of letters in his name. Around 2000, there was a theory that Clinton, one or both of the Bushes, and some other world leader(s) were conducting satanic/pagan rituals at the Pyramids during New Year's in an attempt to gain infinite power, or distroy the world, I forget which.

    I seem to vaguely recall some theory about a politician being controlled by
    the Roswell aliens.

    Not new, and not restricted to conservatives. Some people just don't think about what they read/hear first.

    I am still more interested in learning more about featus lady.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 08:47:32
    On 04 Apr 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    And then, of course, there are now Madison Cawthorn's claims that D.C. Republicans engage in cocaine-fueled orgies.

    You have to wonder what's going on there. Is Cawthorn a whistleblower, o spreading baseless conspiracy theories just the new status quo for the M "America First" crowd when their power is threatened?

    OK, I don't know who that is so I will have to take you word for it. If Cawthorn is "MAGA," is he/she only accusing the "RHINOs" of such
    behavior?

    If you have access to the Googles, you should definitely check him out. He's
    a Representative in your Congress. He didn't seem to be accusing just
    "RINOs," but the GOP in general. Kevin McCarthy (the House Minority Leader)
    had to call him in for a one-to-one sit-down.

    For some people who consider themselves MAGA (and even going back to before MAGA was a thing), spreading/believing such conspiracies are
    their thing. There were many tabloids like the National Inquirer, back
    in the day, because people believed such odd-ball stuff. I don't think that is restricted to the MAGA crowd. There were things that got labeled as part of the "Russian misinformation" theory that are turning out to be true, and that conspiracy was not a MAGA thing.

    Conspiracy theories used to be part of the fringe, tin-foil-hat community,
    but have become a conservative and Republican mainstay, whether by explicitly endorsing them or by allowing them to flourish without comment.

    Almost all of the "Russian misinformation" of 2015/16 was utterly false. What of it do you believe to have been proven true?

    Back in the 1980's, there was some conspiracy theory going round that Ronald Reagan was the devil, or one of his cohorts, because of something to do with the number of letters in his name. Around 2000, there was a theory that Clinton, one or both of the Bushes, and some other world leader(s) were conducting satanic/pagan rituals at the Pyramids during
    New Year's in an attempt to gain infinite power, or distroy the world, I forget which.

    Those "theories" were not adopted by large numbers of people or multiple elected members of Congress.

    I seem to vaguely recall some theory about a politician being controlled by the Roswell aliens.

    Again, that was limited to the fringe.

    Not new, and not restricted to conservatives. Some people just don't think about what they read/hear first.

    True, but masses of people didn't base political movements (such as "Stop the Steal") on them until quite recently.

    I am still more interested in learning more about featus lady.

    Lauren Handy. Google is your friend, Google News even moreso.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 08:54:17
    On 04 Apr 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    If you read this article, the plot thickens. For example, apparently Ms. Handy's anti-abortion activist group is not the group of right-wingnuts you might have pictured them as.

    [truncated link]

    https://tinyurl.com/yc2rs37v

    "PAAUrCOs site says it is rCLcommitted to radical inclusivity while magnifying secular, feminist, liberal, and LGBTQIA+ identifying pro-life voices, especially those belonging to people of color.rCY Three of the five members of the group identify on the site as atheist, though Handy describes herself as a rCLCatholic anarcho mutualist rCa who creates trans-inclusive spaces within the pro-life movement.rCY On her Facebook page, she included a selfie of herself in a face mask that reads:
    rCLBlack Lives Matter from Womb to Natural Death.rCY"

    Atheists and LGBTQ+ supporters can be pro-life, too. I'm pro-choice with caveats; I favor women being able to make choices about their own bodies, but feel that we could do a lot more as a society to make that choice
    unnecessary. Primarily education and access to resources, but these always
    get repainted by conservatives as encouraging fifth-graders to have sex or
    some such nonsense.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 09:01:52
    On 04 Apr 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    If you read this article, the plot thickens. For example, apparently Ms. Handy's anti-abortion activist group is not the group of right-wingnuts you might have pictured them as.
    "PAAUrCOs site says it is rCLcommitted to radical inclusivity while magnifying secular, feminist, liberal, and LGBTQIA+ identifying pro-life voices, especially those belonging to people of color.rCY Three of the five members of the group identify on the site as atheist, though Handy describes herself as a rCLCatholic anarcho mutualist rCa who creates trans-inclusive spaces within the pro-life movement.rCY On her Facebook page, she included a selfie of herself in a face mask that reads:
    rCLBlack Lives Matter from Womb to Natural Death.rCY"

    I meant to add that I, too, find this very interesting. Something definitely ain't right with the Fetus Lady, but I didn't get the impression that her activist comrades knew anything about her secret.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 12:16:47
    On 04 Apr 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    For some people who consider themselves MAGA (and even going back to before MAGA was a thing), spreading/believing such conspiracies are
    their thing. There were many tabloids like the National Inquirer, back
    in the day, because people believed such odd-ball stuff. I don't think that is restricted to the MAGA crowd. There were things that got labeled as part of the "Russian misinformation" theory that are turning out to be true, and that conspiracy was not a MAGA thing.

    Conspiracy theories are a subset of lies, and I read an article today about
    why Trump and other far-right conservatives tell such big whoppers.
    Apparently it's not about truth but about power and loyalty. Among authoritarians, it seems, being able to tell a really big, unbelievable lie
    and have your followers repeat it is a measure of power. And repeating really big, unbelievable lies is considered a measure of loyalty among authoritarian followers. It's not about the truth, right or wrong, or the facts; it's about "triggering the left."

    It's all being recorded for history, though, and one day people will look
    back on this era with a giant WTF on their face.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 16:28:00
    Almost all of the "Russian misinformation" of 2015/16 was utterly false. What of it do you believe to have been proven true?

    The Hunter Biden laptop has turned out to be true.

    Anytime anyone questions Hillary Clinton, she will float the idea that
    they are conspiring with the Russians, which is not true (unless you do
    believe that Tulsi Gabbard, for example, is a Russian agent).

    Back in the 1980's, there was some conspiracy theory going round that Ronald Reagan was the devil, or one of his cohorts, because of something to do with the number of letters in his name. Around 2000, there was a theory that Clinton, one or both of the Bushes, and some other world leader(s) were conducting satanic/pagan rituals at the Pyramids during New Year's in an attempt to gain infinite power, or distroy the world, I forget which.

    Those "theories" were not adopted by large numbers of people or multiple elected members of Congress.

    But the former, about Reagan, was adopted enough that I as a very young
    person heard about it, which means it was likely mentioned in the
    mainstream media at some point, which means it was more than a handful of people who must have believed it.

    Same with the rituals at the Pyramids. Both would have predated my
    knowledge of an existense of FOX News (which did not exist in 1980) so we cannot really blame them for these.

    Not new, and not restricted to conservatives. Some people just don't think about what they read/hear first.

    True, but masses of people didn't base political movements (such as "Stop the Steal") on them until quite recently.

    There were an awful lot of people who believed that there was a steal they needed to stop back in 2000, too. Same also in 2016. Those were not Republicans.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 16:29:00
    "PAAUrCOs site says it is rCLcommitted to radical inclusivity while magnifying secular, feminist, liberal, and LGBTQIA+ identifying pro-life voices, especially those belonging to people of color.rCY Three of the five members of the group identify on the site as atheist, though Handy describes herself as a rCLCatholic anarcho mutualist rCa who creates trans-inclusive spaces within the pro-life movement.rCY On her Facebook page, she included a selfie of herself in a face mask that reads: rCLBlack Lives Matter from Womb to Natural Death.rCY"

    Atheists and LGBTQ+ supporters can be pro-life, too.

    Understood.

    I have a feeling that one might find in this group of five members some
    folks who are not only non-conservative, but who also make decisions based
    more on their feelings than science or logic like, say, the logic that
    would lead them to keep featuses in their homes in jars.

    Something else that article pointed out, or maybe another I have read
    since, was that the lady expected the raid because, apparently, the tip-off
    was staged. The jars were supposed to be evidence that a DC-area clinic
    was breaking a federal, late-term abortion law. It did not sound like authorities were in agreement with her on this.

    I'm pro-choice with
    I favor women being able to make choices about their own bodies, but
    feel that we could do a lot more as a society to make that choice unnecessary. Primarily education and access to resources, but these always get repainted by conservatives as encouraging fifth-graders to have sex or some such nonsense.

    I also agree to a point. My concern with teaching kids too much about sex
    too early is not that they will be encouraged but that, once you start
    learning about sex and other adult things, it is really difficult to
    continue just being a kid.

    I meant to add that I, too, find this very interesting. Something definitely ain't right with the Fetus Lady, but I didn't get the impression that her activist comrades knew anything about her secret.

    Maybe not in her immediate organization, but it sounded like one of the
    people that was interviewed (a reverend?) may have been aware.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 16:30:00
    Conspiracy theories are a subset of lies, and I read an article today about why Trump and other far-right conservatives tell such big whoppers. Apparently it's not about truth but about power and loyalty. Among authoritarians, it seems, being able to tell a really big, unbelievable lie and have your followers repeat it is a measure of power. And repeating really big, unbelievable lies is considered a measure of loyalty among authoritarian followers. It's not about the truth, right or wrong, or the facts; it's about "triggering the left."

    I don't doubt that last bit, just like I know some people like saying
    things to "trigger the right."

    I also don't doubt that repeating things you believe, or know, not to be
    true has a history that involves loyalty, power, and authority.

    For example, Jen Psaki is loyal to the authority of President Biden, and so claimed that the existence of the "Hunter laptop" was "Russian
    misinformation."


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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 17:51:00
    Jeff Thiele wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    On 04 Apr 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    For some people who consider themselves MAGA (and even going back to before MAGA was a thing), spreading/believing such conspiracies are
    their thing. There were many tabloids like the National Inquirer, back
    in the day, because people believed such odd-ball stuff. I don't think that is restricted to the MAGA crowd. There were things that got labeled as part of the "Russian misinformation" theory that are turning out to be true, and that conspiracy was not a MAGA thing.

    Conspiracy theories are a subset of lies, and I read an article today about why Trump and other far-right conservatives tell such big
    whoppers. Apparently it's not about truth but about power and loyalty. Among authoritarians, it seems, being able to tell a really big, unbelievable lie and have your followers repeat it is a measure of
    power. And repeating really big, unbelievable lies is considered a
    measure of loyalty among authoritarian followers. It's not about the truth, right or wrong, or the facts; it's about "triggering the left."

    It's all being recorded for history, though, and one day people will
    look back on this era with a giant WTF on their face.

    Just the thought of people willing to believe the lies and rhetoric is insane to me. When you can sit there, remove reality and all sense, and call it fact is ridicuous. When I read, hear, and see people standing out waving MAGA flags, I don't see them as supporting Trump but supporting a lie, racism, and hatred. These MAGA Loyalists are just a resurgence of what we hoped was destroyed following WW2. Sad.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BRIAN KLAUSS on Wednesday, April 06, 2022 15:23:00
    Just the thought of people willing to believe the lies and rhetoric is insane to me. When you can sit there, remove reality and all sense, and call it fact
    is ridicuous. When I read, hear, and see people standing out waving MAGA flags, I don't see them as supporting Trump but supporting a lie, racism, and hatred. These MAGA Loyalists are just a resurgence of what we hoped was destroyed following WW2. Sad.

    Racism and hatred how? Trump is hateful towards liberals and democrats,
    but that doesn't make him racist. Black unemployment was at an all time
    low and he helped activists get innocent people, usually black, out of jail.

    Now, these quotes below sound somewhat hateful, but they didn't come from
    Trump or any of his followers, unless you are one?

    +-
    | I mean, he seems like another crybaby who keeps screaming MAGA MAGA MAGA
    | even though he's doing nothing for North Carolina.
    +-[BK=>JT]
    | Cawthorn is one more idiot that needs to be removed from "power". Similar to | the "Tea Party" Republicans from the 00s, now we have the "MAGA" Republicans | who think America is f***ed when it simply needs a good rebooting.
    +-[BK=>JT]

    Pot-kettle-black.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, April 06, 2022 15:26:00
    I'm pro-choice with
    I favor women being able to make choices about their own bodies, but
    feel that we could do a lot more as a society to make that choice unnecessary. Primarily education and access to resources, but these always get repainted by conservatives as encouraging fifth-graders to have sex or some such nonsense.

    SOURCE: The Babylon Bee

    JACKSONVILLE, FL -- Devoted parents Luke and Mary Winthrop have voiced their support for the parental rights bill that was signed into law by Gov.
    Ron DeSantis last week. They hope the law finally puts an end to their
    children being exposed to inappropriate information and instruction on sex, even though their child (age 6) has his own smartphone with unrestricted
    access to the Internet.

    'We need to protect our kids from inappropriate teaching on sex," said Luke Winthrop, who recently purchased a $900 phone for his son. "I'm relieved we don't have to worry about that anymore."

    https://babylonbee.com/news/we-need-to-protect-our-kids-from-inappropriate-teac hing-on-sex-say-parents-who-let-their-kid-have-a-smartphone/

    https://tinyurl.com/3yf8dfes

    <GRIN>


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