Now, since Biden has failed to import enough undocumented migrants toReplacement theory, really?
meet his quota,
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pallets of baby formula at the border,
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DHS is going above and beyond (again) by hoardingDHS is not going "above and beyond;" they are following the law, a law that predates Biden's presidency.
pallets of baby formula at the border,
It seemed awkward when Biden's DHS mandated that Documented migrants must provide proof of covid vaccine prior to entering the USA, while also mandating
that Undocumented migrants are NOT required to be vaccinated prior to entry.
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They're going "above and beyond" to maximize profits for the smuggling industry.DHS is going above and beyond (again) by hoardingDHS is not going "above and beyond;" they are following the law, a la that predates Biden's presidency.
pallets of baby formula at the border,
"Free baby formula,Giving the very basics to people who have nothing is humane.
free cell phones,The "free cell phones" are not what you're trying to make them out to be. The have no phone service or data plan, and the only "app" that they run is one designed to help people keep track of their court dates, etc., and they're
free flights to NY,Some are flown, many are bussed. Some are even bussed to Washington, D.C. by the governor of Texas.
no idMany do have ID, and some who are victims of human smuggling have had their
required,
no vaccine required either."According to the DHS, they cannot force anyone to get a vaccination, but strongly recommend it. I would think that's a policy you could support.
(The part they fail to mention isOk, so let's go through them again.:
"If you become a US citizen then you won't get those perks anymore.")
"Free baby formula,US citizens who have nothing are eligible for WIC, among other programs.
free cell phones,US citizens in need are eligible for cell-phone subsidies, for cell phones
free flights to NY,This one is generally true; US citizens don't usually get free flights from
no idNot all US citizens have ID. It is required for certain activities, but not required to be a citizen.
required,
no vaccine required either."Really?
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There is no "smuggling industry" in which the DHS is involved.
"Free baby formula,Giving the very basics to people who have nothing is humane.
free cell phones,The "free cell phones" are not what you're trying to make them out to
be. The have no phone service or data plan, and the only "app" that they run is one designed to help people keep track of their court dates,
etc., and they're only available to certain people.
free flights to NY,Some are flown, many are bussed. Some are even bussed to Washington,
D.C. by the governor of Texas.
Many do have ID, and some who are victims of human smuggling have had their IDs taken from them. Turning those people back instead of taking them under our protection would be the opposite of combatting human smuggling.
no vaccine required either."According to the DHS, they cannot force anyone to get a vaccination, but strongly recommend it. I would think that's a policy you could support.
"Free baby formula,US citizens who have nothing are eligible for WIC, among other programs.
There is no "smuggling industry" in which the DHS is involved.DHS is indirectly involved, because they're luring migrants in with pallets of baby formula.
What do you call it when you take food out of your own babies' mouths to feed foreign babies?"Free baby formula,Giving the very basics to people who have nothing is humane.
no baby formula for Americans + yes baby formula for walk-ins = good?
It's a big expense. We don't even do that with murder defendants.free cell phones,The "free cell phones" are not what you're trying to make them out to be. The have no phone service or data plan, and the only "app" that t run is one designed to help people keep track of their court dates, etc., and they're only available to certain people.
free flights to NY,Some are flown, many are bussed. Some are even bussed to Washington, D.C. by the governor of Texas.
Is there a form I can fill out to receive a free flight?
Many do have ID, and some who are victims of human smuggling have had their IDs taken from them. Turning those people back instead of takin them under our protection would be the opposite of combatting human smuggling.
To say that "many of them have ID" is nonsense. You don't even have a statistic on that. It's also nonsense to say that "the way to combat
human smuggling is by pampering the victims." Doing nothing about the
root cause (anyone heard from Kamala?) is the opposite of combatting
human smuggling.
no vaccine required either."According to the DHS, they cannot force anyone to get a vaccination, strongly recommend it. I would think that's a policy you could suppor
"Strongly" is a joke. It's "strongly" recommended that American workers get vaccinated, or else they will get fired from their jobs. It's "strongly" recommended that walk-in migrants get vaccinated, or else,
uh, nothing.
"Free baby formula,US citizens who have nothing are eligible for WIC, among other progra
WIC doesn't distribute baby formula, but DHS does. WIC gives people vouchers, but if the store shelves are empty, WIC can't help anybody.
How are we supposed to offer "asylum" to people when we can't even
provide baby formula to our own citizens?
free cell phones,US citizens in need are eligible for cell-phone subsidies, for cell phones that are a lot more capable than the ones to which you're referring.
"Free baby formula,US citizens who have nothing are eligible for WIC, among other programs.
WIC doesn't distribute baby formula, but DHS does. WIC gives people vouchers, but if the store shelves are empty, WIC can't help anybody.
We are required by our own laws to provide nourishment to people, including children, that we have detained in our custody.
"Strongly" is a joke. It's "strongly" recommended that American workers get vaccinated, or else they will get fired from their jobs. It's "strongly" recommended that walk-in migrants get vaccinated, or else, uh, nothing.
It's not mandated. People have choices.
free cell phones,US citizens in need are eligible for cell-phone subsidies, for cell phon that are a lot more capable than the ones to which you're referring.
From what I can tell, the people who are "living rough" around here apparently have access to cell phones that are nicer than the one I have and paid for. If they are going to get free phones, they should be the low end "feature phones" and not mid-range+ android and iphones.
[...]"Free baby formula,US citizens who have nothing are eligible for WIC, among other prog
WIC doesn't distribute baby formula, but DHS does. WIC gives people vouc but if the store shelves are empty, WIC can't help anybody.
Only the die-hard loyalist voters are going to go to the polls thinking about how migrants are treated better and how that makes them feel.
We are required by our own laws to provide nourishment to people, includ children, that we have detained in our custody.
If the current administration had not immediately reversed a policy of
the previous administration that these migrants needed to stay on the other side of the border while awaiting processing, they'd not be "detained in our custody."
"Strongly" is a joke. It's "strongly" recommended that American wor get vaccinated, or else they will get fired from their jobs. It's "strongly" recommended that walk-in migrants get vaccinated, or els uh, nothing.
It's not mandated. People have choices.
They have a choice to lose their jobs. OTOH, the unvaccinated migrant,
as Aaron pointed out, has nothing to lose by making their choice.
We are required by our own laws to provide nourishment to people, including children, that we have detained in our custody.
no baby formula for Americans + yes baby formula for walk-ins = good?
For people that we have placed in detainment.
human smuggling is by pampering the victims." Doing nothing about the root cause (anyone heard from Kamala?) is the opposite of combatting human smuggling.
We do know that the cartels require payment, and proof of payment such
as ID, for passage through their territories. We've been through this before.
If we take someone into custody and imprison them such that they are unableWe are required by our own laws to provide nourishment to people, including children, that we have detained in our custody.Foreign babies needs are being put ahead of American babies' needs, and you're fine with it because you're a lawyer and you say it's the law.
no baby formula for Americans + yes baby formula for walk-ins =
For people that we have placed in detainment.
Families aren't being detained. This is why they kidnap kids before they come to the USA; so they can evade detainment.
human smuggling is by pampering the victims." Doing nothing abou root cause (anyone heard from Kamala?) is the opposite of combat human smuggling.
We do know that the cartels require payment, and proof of payment suc as ID, for passage through their territories. We've been through this before.
We think they require payment, but we don't have an official copy of
their Terms and Conditions. But that has nothing to do with root causes. You just like to keep saying "we've been over that." Does it give you a buzz?
From what I can tell, the people who are "living rough" around here apparently have access to cell phones that are nicer than the one I have and paid for. If they are going to get free phones, they should be the low end "feature phones" and not mid-range+ android and iphones.
I would tend to agree.
Only the die-hard loyalist voters are going to go to the polls thinking about how migrants are treated better and how that makes them feel.
The migrants in question are in detention and unable to acquire sustenance for themselves or their children. As soon as they leave detention, the "free baby formula" stops. Don't try to blame a failure of capitalism on imprisoned people.
We are required by our own laws to provide nourishment to people, inclu
children, that we have detained in our custody.
If the current administration had not immediately reversed a policy of the previous administration that these migrants needed to stay on the other side of the border while awaiting processing, they'd not be "detained in our custody."
False. They were still detained in our custody (and provided with baby formula as needed) under Trump; the difference was that when they were released from custody, they went into Mexico to wait for their court dates, whereas now they are allowed to wait in the U.S. Either way, the "free baby formula at the border" ended when they were released from custody.
If we take someone into custody and imprison them such that they are unable to provide for their own needs, then yes, we need to feed them. Even if they are children. If we did not put them into detention, it wouldn't be a problem, would it? But then again, that would be an "open border," wouldn't it?
I would never have noticed but back when we were in the office all the time, I used to walk by the old capitol building on my breaks. There isFrom what I can tell, the people who are "living rough" around here apparently have access to cell phones that are nicer than the one I and paid for. If they are going to get free phones, they should be low end "feature phones" and not mid-range+ android and iphones.I would tend to agree.
a free public wifi hotspot there, so there would often be a lot of rough looking characters (and some young hipsters!) playing with some pretty nice looking phones.
I notice it now, too, on the few days that we are back in.
The migrants in question are in detention and unable to acquire sustenan for themselves or their children. As soon as they leave detention, the " baby formula" stops. Don't try to blame a failure of capitalism on impri people.Failure of capitalism? Nope. Failure of the government to move quickly? Yes.
The potential health incident at Abbott happened in February. The potential future shortage of babyfood was predicted in the mainstream press very soon after. The Biden EPA waited until May, after the predicted shortage became obvious, to do anything (to allow Abbott to start processing again, to just this week inact the "war production
rules" for the government to obtain formula from overseas, etc.).
Love or hate Trump, I think it was a good thing that he was the President when COVID started. Otherwise, we'd probably still be waiting for
Biden's administration to figure out what to do and then actually do it regarding a vaccine. It would be "Operation No Speed."
By the time the government manages to import foreign formula, Abbott will probably be back up to 100% production and distribution.
I also note that I was sharing how the average person who has a kid and cannot get formula is probably going to feel about hearing such things. You conviently cut out most of what I said and left it as me personally blaming *the failures of this administration* on the migrants. Interesting.
False. They were still detained in our custody (and provided with baby formula as needed) under Trump; the difference was that when they were released from custody, they went into Mexico to wait for their court dat whereas now they are allowed to wait in the U.S. Either way, the "free b formula at the border" ended when they were released from custody.They are being detained in higher numbers because...?? That previous policy was apparently discouraging folks as the numbers went up when the rule was changed.
So, partially false. They may have been considered "detained" but there were not as many of them.
If we take someone into custody and imprison them such that they are una to provide for their own needs, then yes, we need to feed them. Even if are children. If we did not put them into detention, it wouldn't be a problem, would it? But then again, that would be an "open border," would it?
We could turn them away, which is what Kamala told them would happen if they came ("Don't come"). That would not be an open border.
I would never have noticed but back when we were in the office all the time, I used to walk by the old capitol building on my breaks. There is a free public wifi hotspot there, so there would often be a lot of rough looking characters (and some young hipsters!) playing with some pretty nice looking phones.
I notice it now, too, on the few days that we are back in.
That would seem to be a pretty good indication that they don't have an unlimited data plan. I have been able to get a very basic smartphone for $30 before, while my better one was being sent back for repairs. It was thin, had a smart-phone-type touch screen, played videos, ran Google apps, and the like.
The migrants in question are in detention and unable to acquire sustenaFailure of capitalism? Nope. Failure of the government to move quickly?
for themselves or their children. As soon as they leave detention, the baby formula" stops. Don't try to blame a failure of capitalism on impr
people.
Yes.
If quick government action was required, it was a failure of capitalism, was it not? You can't have it both ways....
The potential health incident at Abbott happened in February. The potential future shortage of babyfood was predicted in the mainstream press very soon after. The Biden EPA waited until May, after the predicted shortage became obvious, to do anything (to allow Abbott to start processing again, to just this week inact the "war production rules" for the government to obtain formula from overseas, etc.).
Why did the government need to intervene in the free market?
I think Biden would have listened to Fauci, the CDC, and his other advisors much closer than Trump did, and would not have hindered their progress with false and misleading (and sometimes just plain bonkers) information. Trump was very much an "I alone can fix things" president; Biden is not.
That would seem to be a pretty good indication that they don't have an unlimited data plan. I have been able to get a very basic smartphone for before, while my better one was being sent back for repairs. It was thin a smart-phone-type touch screen, played videos, ran Google apps, and thelike.
I am guessing it was not an iphone, right? :) These appear to be nicer than what you describe but, yeah, I would imagine the free phone does
not come with free, unlimited data. At least one would hope not.
Some of the higher-ups at work used to get a phone. Every few years,
they would trade the phones back to apple to get a cheaper upgrade. The trade-ins were then (supposedly) sent to China to be used there. That
was an apple program, of course, so they are free to do what they want with them, but since those phones were still working I would think
they'd be good ones for a government free phone program.
IIRC, there used to be programs where you could donate an older phone for use by troops overseas.
Failure of the government to assist in preventing a situation that they
at least partially caused is not a failure of capitalism. Being
involved in starting the situation and then moving either moving slowly
to figure it out or not understanding the consequences of their actions all together is a hallmark of our current administration.
Why did the government need to intervene in the free market?Because they are the ones that, right or wrong, shut of the supply? Because they say they have to give approval before Abbott can restart production? I know what you are trying to do... prove that one of your favorite -isms (social-, commun-, marx-) is better by deflecting how the government played a hand in this from the beginning. Not working here.
I think Biden would have listened to Fauci, the CDC, and his other advis much closer than Trump did, and would not have hindered their progress w false and misleading (and sometimes just plain bonkers) information. Tru was very much an "I alone can fix things" president; Biden is not.And we would have waited much longer for a vaccine to be developed.
That would seem to be a pretty good indication that they don't have an unlimited data plan. I have been able to get a very basic smartphone for before, while my better one was being sent back for repairs. It was thin a smart-phone-type touch screen, played videos, ran Google apps, and thelike.
I am guessing it was not an iphone, right? :) These appear to be nicer than what you describe but, yeah, I would imagine the free phone does
not come with free, unlimited data. At least one would hope not.
IIRC, there used to be programs where you could donate an older phone for use by troops overseas.
I found it; it was a ZTE Maven. It cost $30 in the AT&T store several years
ago (existing customer, needed something to use while my other phone was being repaired). It's been discontinued, but there are a few on Amazon for around $70 today.
I found it; it was a ZTE Maven. It cost $30 in the AT&T store several yearsI have one. Been gathering dust for a few years, but I still have it. Probably needs recharging, and a new sim card ...
ago (existing customer, needed something to use while my other phone being repaired). It's been discontinued, but there are a few on Amazo around $70 today.
I am guessing it was not an iphone, right? :) These appear to be nicer than what you describe but, yeah, I would imagine the free phone does not come with free, unlimited data. At least one would hope not.
I found it; it was a ZTE Maven. It cost $30 in the AT&T store several years ago (existing customer, needed something to use while my other phone was being repaired). It's been discontinued, but there are a few on Amazon for around $70 today.
https://www.amazon.com/ZTE-Maven-Memory-Cell-Phone/dp/B074HQTHSH
I found it; it was a ZTE Maven. It cost $30 in the AT&T store several ye ago (existing customer, needed something to use while my other phone was being repaired). It's been discontinued, but there are a few on Amazon f around $70 today.Interesting.
As one who is interested in retro computer kits, do you ever read up
about some of the phone kits, or alternative phones in general, that are available? I sometimes read about them on osnews.com. Some of them are only useful if you live in a country where the phone will work with the technology in place. Others (including one kit with a rotary dial!)
sound like fun.
severalI found it; it was a ZTE Maven. It cost $30 in the AT&T store
phoneyears
ago (existing customer, needed something to use while my other
Amazobeing repaired). It's been discontinued, but there are a few on
around $70 today.
I have one. Been gathering dust for a few years, but I still have it.
Probably needs recharging, and a new sim card ...
It's a good little phone, for what it is. I think it could definitely be mistaken for a higher-end smartphone from a distance.
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