Re: Meanwhile, in Canada...
By: Mike Powell to All on Sun Dec 13 2020 11:23 am

Justin Trudeau invited ChinarCOs PeoplerCOs Liberation Army (PLA) to send its troops for cold weather training at CFB Petawawa in Ontario rCo and Trudeau raged at the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) for cancelling the training after China kidnapped Canadian citizens Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig.

Canada has relationships with many contries including China. There is no bombshell here. Our relationship with China is strained now because of the Meng Wanzhou extradition case to the USA and the resulting detainment of two Canadian citizens in China two years ago. I hope the extradition case will be completed soon one way or the other.

https://www.rebelnews.com/the_china_files

This is a Canadian far right fake news site much like newsmax. It's not a credible news source.

The Canadian government's bombshell secret 34-page file was obtained by Rebel News and The Globe and Mail and the two outlets published
excerpts from the files Wednesday.

We also have a relationship with the USA. That's not a bombshell either, most already knew that.

Ttyl :-),
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I feel so secure knowing that such a forward thinker like PM Trudeau is in charge of the country with the largest land border with ours.

Justin Trudeau invited ChinarCOs PeoplerCOs Liberation Army (PLA) to send its troops for cold weather training at CFB Petawawa in Ontario rCo and Trudeau raged at the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) for cancelling the training after China kidnapped Canadian citizens Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig.

https://www.rebelnews.com/the_china_files

Justin Trudeau invited China's People's Liberation Army to train troops
in Canada, according to top secret documents published by Canadian
conservative news site which claims 'they were sending spies not just
soldiers to train'

The Canadian government's bombshell secret 34-page file was obtained by
Rebel News and The Globe and Mail and the two outlets published
excerpts from the files Wednesday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9042261/Top-secret-documents-reveal-Ju stin-Trudeau-invited-Chinas-PLA-train-troops-Canada.html

Canada PM Justin Trudeau was upset over canceled invite to Chinese troops

https://nypost.com/2020/12/11/canada-pm-justin-trudeau-was-upset-over-cancelled -invite-to-chinese-troops/

Canada government objected to military decision to cancel training with Chinese army. The People's Liberation Army had been invited for joint training at the Canadian Forces Base at Petawawa (in Ontario).

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/canada-govt-objected-to-military-deci sion-to-cancel-training-with-chinese-army-reports/story-Ls6WZNOE7q2bp9yqtjbB9L. html

China is rCLincurably militantrCY under communism: Gordon G. Chang ...

https://youtu.be/9VZ67HhOTuI

Justin Trudeau makes the Bad Orange Man look like a genius.
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On 13 Dec 20 11:23:27, Mike Powell said the following to All:

I feel so secure knowing that such a forward thinker like PM Trudeau is in charge of the country with the largest land border with ours.

LOL oh thats not good enough, you freaking amateur... you really need to start constantly whining and obsessing about our PM non-stop and make all sorts of wild claims about deep states, extremism and conspiracies without having to show any proof whatsoever. Anyone who dares to question you can "look it up".

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This is a Canadian far right fake news site much like newsmax. It's not a credible news source.

Incredible, Just because Newsmax is on the right and more importantly not liberal, doesn't make them a non credible news source.

At least Newsmax is not connected to that cesspool called the Democratic Party.

Newsmax stands apart from other news organizations as others could not
wait to define Biden as President Elect on election night.

There has been massive election fraud in many states.
Information that should be of no surprise and has been known for many weeks.

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Re: Re: Meanwhile, in Canada...
By: Gregory Deyss to Alan Ianson on Mon Dec 14 2020 08:09 am

Incredible, Just because Newsmax is on the right and more importantly not liberal, doesn't make them a non credible news source.

True, as long as they are not trying to pass fake news as truth.

Newsmax stands apart from other news organizations as others could not wait to define Biden as President Elect on election night.

All news outlets should simply tell it like it is. That isn't happening at newsmax. Newsmax, like fox is about ratings, not news.

There has been massive election fraud in many states.

That's a baseless lie as the courts have confirmed.

Information that should be of no surprise and has been known for many weeks.

I knew this election was going to turn into a litigious circus by the way Donald Trump and others were talking before the election. That will soon be over.

It was a free and fair election and the winner of that election has been know since the results came in.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Canada has relationships with many contries including China. There is no bombs
ll here. Our relationship with China is strained now because of the Meng Wanzh
extradition case to the USA and the resulting detainment of two Canadian citi
ns in China two years ago. I hope the extradition case will be completed soon e way or the other.

I bet the fact that Canada has been inviting over members of the Chinese
armed forces to participate in winter training is news to most Americans.
I bet it is also a concern for many Indians, who are now facing the
results of that training in the recently hostile border dispute with China.

If they decide to use that training against Russia, another cold country they have border disputes with, you might have a big problem on your hands.

https://www.rebelnews.com/the_china_files

This is a Canadian far right fake news site much like newsmax. It's not a credi
le news source.

Other news sources have picked it up.

We also have a relationship with the USA. That's not a bombshell either, most ready knew that.

If you keep playing war games with China you might not.

Then again, our new President (and his handlers) probably won't be worried about it until it is far too late.


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Re: Meanwhile, in Canada...
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Mon Dec 14 2020 10:50 am

I bet the fact that Canada has been inviting over members of the Chinese armed forces to participate in winter training is news to most Americans.

It is news even to most Canadians, it is for me anyway. But it's no bombshell.

We are not at war with China and I have no recollection of ever being at war with China and I don't think we ever will be.

I bet it is also a concern for many Indians, who are now facing the results of that training in the recently hostile border dispute with China.

You make it sound like Canada supports a China <-> India war. I don't think so.

If they decide to use that training against Russia, another cold country they have border disputes with, you might have a big problem on your hands.

Canada is not responsible for the actions of China and I have no reason to believe a war between China and Russia will come to be.

We also have a relationship with the USA. That's not a bombshell
either, most ready knew that.

If you keep playing war games with China you might not.

If you say so.

Then again, our new President (and his handlers) probably won't be worried about it until it is far too late.

Your current president took the word of Putin over the word of his own FBI and other intelligence agencies. Your current president seems to have the idea that Obama's regime was responsible for that but it was Putin who was responsible. I don't think Biden will make that mistake.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Greg,

[..]

There has been massive election fraud in many states.

Show me. Donald J. Trump couldn't. Neither could his personal lawyer,
Rudy Guiliani. Maybe that is why all his frivolous lawsuits got thrown
out of court.

Information that should be of no surprise and has been known for many weeks.

The courts were not surprised by Trump's antics. What is he now,
something like 0 for 50? My, my ...

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On 14 Dec 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

Re: Re: Meanwhile, in Canada...
By: Gregory Deyss to Alan Ianson on Mon Dec 14 2020 08:09 am

Incredible, Just because Newsmax is on the right and more importantly liberal, doesn't make them a non credible news source.

True, as long as they are not trying to pass fake news as truth.

There will be another message to your reply, because there is a great deal
that needs to be said, like a healthy dose of the truth for starters.
It will be clear and obvious and will burn through any lefty analogies like
the warmth from the sun.

The Train of Truth is definitely coming, you were warned.

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It is news even to most Canadians, it is for me anyway. But it's no bombshell.

We are not at war with China and I have no recollection of ever being at war wi
h China and I don't think we ever will be.

My guess would be that there will be no war with China because Canada will be overwhelmed and need to roll over. That is not a dig at Canadians in
general but, when your leadership is known for rolling out the red carpet
to them, and being more worried about saving their faces vs. your own
national security, I doubt the Bad Bearded Man will put up much resistance.

I bet it is also a concern for many Indians, who are now facing the results of that training in the recently hostile border dispute with China.

You make it sound like Canada supports a China <-> India war. I don't think so.

If Canada was assisting China in winter warfare, they were unwittingly assisting them in their current dispute with India, which they might not
have forseen. They should have had some foresight, though, into wondering
why China would be interested in their assistance. It could only mean one
of two things:

(1) to wage war with one of the countries they share cold borders with
(Indian or Russia) or against other countries with cold climates;
(2) to wage war on their own citizens (like in Tibet)

Either one would not be out of the realm of possibility for anyone who has
an ounce of sense. Apparently Bad Bearded Man has no sense, or didn't care.

If they decide to use that training against Russia, another cold country they have border disputes with, you might have a big problem on your hands.

Canada is not responsible for the actions of China and I have no reason to beli
ve a war between China and Russia will come to be.

They are already making agressive moves towards India. If Canada has been assisting China with their cold weather warfare and expecting them not to
use it, I would say they are very much responsible.

Only a very stupid leader of state would assist China with something
involving war and not expect them to put it to use. Most leaders are smart enough not to trust China in that manner. The Bad Bearded Canadian Man must not be one of them.

Your current president took the word of Putin over the word of his own FBI and >ther intelligence agencies. Your current president seems to have the idea that >bama's regime was responsible for that but it was Putin who was responsible. I >on't think Biden will make that mistake.

Maybe not with Russia, but I fully expect Biden to make mistakes when it
comes to China. I have to give him credit, though... I don't think even
Biden would make a mistake as big as Trudeau's here.

Now, once he has to step aside in favor of Harris, the USA might then have
a leader as naive/dumb as the Bad Bearded Man.


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Re: Re: Meanwhile, in Canada...
By: Gregory Deyss to Alan Ianson on Tue Dec 15 2020 07:05 am

The Train of Truth is definitely coming, you were warned.

No warning is needed. I'd be glad to have a fact based discourse with you or anyone interested.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Meanwhile, in Canada...
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Tue Dec 15 2020 01:15 pm

My guess would be that there will be no war with China because Canada will be overwhelmed and need to roll over. That is not a dig at Canadians in general but, when your leadership is known for rolling out the red carpet to them, and being more worried about saving their faces vs. your own national security, I doubt the Bad Bearded Man will put up much resistance.

Canada has not rolled out any red carpet to China. There are deep problems between Canada and China at the moment and I don't know how that will all end.

I am not in the military or in the government at all. I didn't get a memo on any of this and I don't know how or why any of this came about, but I do know that we try to carry on with different countries even in times of trouble.

Maybe not with Russia, but I fully expect Biden to make mistakes when it comes to China. I have to give him credit, though... I don't think even Biden would make a mistake as big as Trudeau's here.

The govenment of China is communist and generally not very forth coming. We all know this. That makes dealing with China difficult. In spite of that we can cooperate with them when that is possible.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

There has been massive election fraud in many states.
Information that should be of no surprise and has been known for many weeks.

Court case after court case has proven rampant election fraud in all
states, not just the states that Trump lost.

Oh, wait, that didn't happen. Instead we've been subjected to weeks
of clown shows with no credible evidence and Trump's campaign has
lost close to 60 cases.

The clown show has been a great moneymaker to polarize the useful
idiots who are paying down the "billionaire's" debt. Trump has
collected millions and won't concede until Deutsche Bank is paid off,
or people stop donating to his "save the election" campaign (which,
as we know, does nothing of the sort)




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The govenment of China is communist and generally not very forth coming. We all
know this. That makes dealing with China difficult. In spite of that we can coo
erate with them when that is possible.

If that cooperation comes in the form of assisting their troops to learn
cold weather warfare manuevers, then that assistance is aiding them in
their aggression towards other countries and towards their own people.

Trudeau must be totally lacking in foresight, or incredibly incompetent,
to think otherwise.


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On 16 Dec 20 13:18:00, Mike Powell said the following to Alan Ianson:

Trudeau must be totally lacking in foresight, or incredibly incompetent,
to think otherwise.

He's a highschool drama teacher, nothing more.

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Here is all the proof that is needed.
Like I said Warmth from the Sun. Sunlight is the best disinfectant even on tough stains soiled with left wing delusional nonsense.

The inventor of Scan Commerce or SRQ (Scan aRe Code) and this is the same man responsible for your EZ pass toll systems throughout the entire planet.
His name is Jovan Hutton Pulitzer

How the election fraud happened.
https://tinyurl.com/y27e5byg

Here are the results of the fraud by the numbers.
https://tinyurl.com/y9kxexgt

This is also why America remains the most exceptional country in the world.

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Re: Meanwhile, in Canada...
By: Gregory Deyss to Alan Ianson on Thu Dec 17 2020 07:58 am

How the election fraud happened.

If you really believe that election fraud happened you just need to prove it.

Here are the results of the fraud by the numbers.

Have you checked for accurate numbers with your state election officials?

Ttyl :-),
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On 12-14-20, LEE LOFASO said to GREGORY DEYSS:

Hello Greg,

[..]

There has been massive election fraud in many states.

Show me. Donald J. Trump couldn't. Neither could his personal lawyer, LL>Rudy Guiliani. Maybe that is why all his frivolous lawsuits got thrown LL>out of court.

Information that should be of no surprise and has been known for many

weeks.

The courts were not surprised by Trump's antics. What is he now, LL>something like 0 for 50? My, my ...

You're wasting your time. Lefties are deliberately pretending no evidence of fraud in this election exists.


Its like a criminal sitting at a defense table and watching the prosecutor
come up with pieces of evidence and witness testimony for days and days...
and then stands up and says `.....yeah but....where's yer proof!'


You have to remember the vast majority of media are firmly in the democrat corner.


For months the main stream media sat on the story on hunter Biden and his laptop. Not to mention the vast amount of money he got from communist China.


And the fact that Joe Biden was deeply involved, even when he was vice president. They kept that out of the news all through the months leading up to the election knowing they'd have had to work those cheat-machines so overtime even `they' wouldn't have believed the result!


They are liars, thieves and common cheats. We know it, they know it, and they're so arrogant about it they don't even care who knows it.



Something I saw recently;


"What is the number of veterans in this country? There has to be more than a million. So many that REALLY understand violence and they're not the ones calling for violence. They are the ones who really understand violence, that have seen violence, that have committed violence for their country. Those are the motherfuckers that come when you break glass in case of war! You need
types like us and people don't understand that. These people running around calling for violence, calling for revolution; You are going to open a door
that you will not be able to close. And when those soldiers come pouring out their doors armed to the teeth to defend against what they think is an attack on their country and their freedoms, you are fucked!"



Tagline;


"In case any leftie democrats were offended by those words above....please call: 1-800 -382-5968; That is: 1-800-fuc-kyou





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Hello Tim,

[..]

"In case any leftie democrats were offended by those words above ....please call: 1-800 -382-5968; That is: 1-800-fuc-kyou

True story. Some years ago I dialed that same number. A lady
answered the phone. She identified herself as the secretary of
a baptist church in Georgia. After I told her what the numbers
of the phone number spelled, I heard her scream - "PREACHER!"

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"In case any leftie democrats were offended by those words above....please call: 1-800 -382-5968; That is: 1-800-***-****

Please no hard-core swearing here.

# There is no such thing as "free speech" in this echo. You can speak your
mind within reason but the moderator reserves the right to stop and
immediately correct boorish behavior. We're all adults; let's act like
it.

# Please keep the swearing to a minumum.

Thanks!
The Moderator


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Hello Mike,

"In case any leftie democrats were offended by those words above....please
call: 1-800 -382-5968; That is: 1-800-***-****

Please no hard-core swearing here.

# There is no such thing as "free speech" in this echo. You can speak your
mind within reason but the moderator reserves the right to stop and
immediately correct boorish behavior. We're all adults; let's act like
it.

# Please keep the swearing to a minumum.

Thanks!
The Moderator

YOU GOTTA PROBLEM WITH ME? CALL: 1-800-UP-YOURS

The phone number Tim quoted is a number that is in service.
A swami in Austin, Texas owns it. Probably does not speak English.
The phone number I quoted is not. But it makes for a great quote
on a coffee mug.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

"In case any leftie democrats were offended by those words above....please
call: 1-800 -382-5968; That is: 1-800-***-****

Please no hard-core swearing here.

It was a tagline.
I dialed that phone same phone number years ago, and it was for
a church in Georgia. The secretary answered the phone, and after
I told her what the letters were she freaked. The preacher then
changed his toll-free number to something else.

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"In case any leftie democrats were offended by those words above....please >>> call: 1-800 -382-5968; That is: 1-800-***-****

Please no hard-core swearing here.

It was a tagline.
I dialed that phone same phone number years ago, and it was for
a church in Georgia. The secretary answered the phone, and after
I told her what the letters were she freaked. The preacher then
changed his toll-free number to something else.

I don't care. This is not a free speech echo, and everyone has control
over their tagline files. No hard-core swearing. I don't think that is a difficult thing to ask of adults.


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Hello Mike,

"In case any leftie democrats were offended by those words
above....please
call: 1-800 -382-5968; That is: 1-800-***-****

Please no hard-core swearing here.

It was a tagline.
I dialed that phone same phone number years ago, and it was for
a church in Georgia. The secretary answered the phone, and after
I told her what the letters were she freaked. The preacher then
changed his toll-free number to something else.

I don't care. This is not a free speech echo, and everyone has control over their tagline files. No hard-core swearing. I don't think that is a difficult thing to ask of adults.

Is it? The original seven words named by George Carlin are -

* shit
* piss
* fuck
* cunt
* cocksucker
* motherfucker
* tits

What should be considered as being swear words? Should those words
be limited to Carlin's original list? Sure, Carlin was poking fun of
the FCC. And television in general. But hey. This is an international
echo. Not limited to an English-speaking audience. And as you know,
there are far more swear words available than Carlin's original list.

What about swearing in Cajun French? Would that be okay? What about
swearing in German? Or in Spanish? How about swearing in Italian?
And then there is Swedish, which uses the word fuk as meaning sail.

The word fuck is not even a real word. It is an acronym -

(F)ornication
(U)nder the
(C)onsent of the
(K)ing.

That is how the word originated.

Either speech is free. Or it is not. Can't have it both ways.

Freedom of expression is essential, otherwise there is no freedom
at all for anyone. You are welcome to express yourself any which way
you want. The same as everyone else.

The phone number in question is still in service. Different owner,
but same number. It is listed as belonging to Rahim Khoja, of Austin,
Texas. I have no idea if he/she is even a registered voter, much less
a citizen of the USA.

Did the phone company find the use of this phone number to be
insulting? If so, then why is it still in service?

The other phone number, which I mentioned in a different
message, is not in service. Nobody owns it, and is presumably
available to whoever might want it.

I suggest you grab it fast. What better way to promote Fidonet
than answering your phone? With folks reading your number on their
very own coffee mug ...

--Lee

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Freedom of expression is essential, otherwise there is no freedom
at all for anyone. You are welcome to express yourself any which way
you want. The same as everyone else.

Wow... and Merry Christmas!! :P

I'm with Lee.... %*#@ it.



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On 24 Dec 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

This is an international echo. Not limited to an English.

The Politics echo may be an international echo, but is it not true that
ENGLISH is the official language for Fidonet?

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Hello Greg,

This is an international echo. Not limited to an English.

The Politics echo may be an international echo, but is it not true that ENGLISH is the official language for Fidonet?

There is no official language of the USA.
There are sysops from around the world in Fidonet.
Many of whom English is not their native tongue.
So why should there be any official language for Fidonet?

--Lee

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

The Politics echo may be an international echo, but is it not true that ENGLISH is the official language for Fidonet?

Policy4 states in section 1.0 that English is the official language
and that all documents must be in English, but as others have pointed
out, echomail isn't specifically covered in P4. It's entirely up to
the moderator to decide what languages are allowed in "their" echoes.

That's my take on it, at least.









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Lee Lofaso wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

So why should there be any official language for Fidonet?

1. Because it's stated in Policy4.
2. But, I didn't ratify it!
3. Policy4 is an attempt by Zone 1 to disenfranchise the other zones.
4. Remember %EVENT THAT HAPPENED LAST CENTURY%
5. There are more sysops in Zone 2, anyway.
6. I'm not going to follow P4 anyway, what are you going to do about
it?

I think I covered all of the bases.




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On 12-23-20, MIKE POWELL said to LEE LOFASO:

This is not a free speech echo,

That is enlightening....is it not



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On 12-20-20, MIKE POWELL said to TIM RICHARDSON:

"In case any leftie democrats were offended by those words above....please call: 1-800 -382-5968; That is: 1-800-***-****

Please no hard-core swearing here.

# There is no such thing as "free speech" in this echo.

Let me clue you in to something.....


Unless and until the armed goons of the leftist democrats actually appear at
my door to stifle my speech....please refer to the First and Fourth
Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.


I fought a war for this country and I speak what I think whenever and wherever I please.

You can speak
your mind within reason but the moderator reserves the right to stop and MP>immediately correct boorish behavior. We're all adults; let's act like MP>it.

If you have any trouble understanding what I just typed....please refer to the telephone number I posted which is still visible at the top of this reply.



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"The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who
speak it." .....George Orwell


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Hello Kurt,

The Politics echo may be an international echo, but is it not true that
ENGLISH is the official language for Fidonet?

Policy4 states in section 1.0 that English is the official language
and that all documents must be in English, but as others have pointed
out, echomail isn't specifically covered in P4. It's entirely up to
the moderator to decide what languages are allowed in "their" echoes.

That's my take on it, at least.

P4 is cyberjunk.

The partipants of an echo "own" the echo.

A sysop may be lord and master of his own system/board, but
participants are the owners of their own voice.

There are no moderators in Fidonet, as the word "moderator" is a
contradiction in terms. No messages are screened, or pre-screened,
in Fidonet. Participants are free to post whatever messages they
want, in the language of their own choice.

Participants who do not like one echo will move on to another
that is more to their liking. Just like anything else in life.
Just click the channel. It really is that easy.

--Lee

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Hello Kurt,

So why should there be any official language for Fidonet?

1. Because it's stated in Policy4.

So?

2. But, I didn't ratify it!

It was not ratified in any zone. Unanimously rejected by all sysops
in the one sanctioned vote taken in Zone 2.

3. Policy4 is an attempt by Zone 1 to disenfranchise the other zones.

P4 is a lame attempt by a handful of unnamed sysops to disenfranchise
all other sysops in Fidonet.

4. Remember %EVENT THAT HAPPENED LAST CENTURY%

It was a non-event, since nobody pays attention to it anyway.

5. There are more sysops in Zone 2, anyway.

Not a single sysop in Zone 2 voted in favor of P4 in the one
and only sanctioned vote on the matter. What does that tell you?

6. I'm not going to follow P4 anyway, what are you going to do about
it?

Write another policy document and ram it down everybody else's
throat. Without ever signing it or telling anybody my name. Just
like I did last time. Now. What are you gonna do about it?

I think I covered all of the bases.

With no court to interpret the policy document, sysops are free
to interpret it any which way they want. That way, everybody is happy.
And no reason for anybody to complain. See how that works?

I'm a genius. A stable genius.

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

This is an international echo. Not limited to an English.

... is it not true that ENGLISH is the official language for Fidonet?

Please. Feel free to write in German. I will write in Cajun French.
Maybe others can chime in. Some in Swedish, others in Dutch, a few in
Spanish, maybe a handful in Italian, and Janis K. in Esperanto ...

--Lee

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I don't care. This is not a free speech echo, and everyone has control over their tagline files. No hard-core swearing. I don't think that is difficult thing to ask of adults.

Is it? The original seven words named by George Carlin are -

Apparently it is difficult for you.

What should be considered as being swear words? Should those words
be limited to Carlin's original list? Sure, Carlin was poking fun of
the FCC. And television in general. But hey. This is an international
echo. Not limited to an English-speaking audience. And as you know,
there are far more swear words available than Carlin's original list.

A swear was used. He was asked to stop. Now you are being told to stop.
Final warning.

Either speech is free. Or it is not. Can't have it both ways.

It is not free speech. Never said it was. From the rules:

# There is no such thing as "free speech" in this echo. You can speak your
mind within reason but the moderator reserves the right to stop and
immediately correct boorish behavior. We're all adults; let's act like
it.

That was posted in the original response to the message in question.

Freedom of expression is essential, otherwise there is no freedom
at all for anyone. You are welcome to express yourself any which way
you want. The same as everyone else.

Not here you aren't.

If you want to swear in an echo, swear in your own or any others that are dedicated to free speech.


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Let me clue you in to something.....

Unless and until the armed goons of the leftist democrats actually appear at my door to stifle my speech....please refer to the First and Fourth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

Let me clue you in on something. This is not a free speech echo. If you
want to use such language, please follow Lee out the door to the his
Conspiracy echo. You can exchange your swears over there all you want. He
may even have his own political echo.

I fought a war for this country and I speak what I think whenever and wherever >I please.

Thank you for your service, but you will not speak that way here. That
rule was originally written by another veteran, and I have kept it as it is
a good one.

My grandfather fought in WWII. I am sure I heard him swear a time or two,
but he also had manners and common sense, and knew not to continue to do so when asked not to. My closest friend was a Gulf War veteran. He used to
say that I curse too much.

"The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it." .....George Orwell

You can talk about what you want without swearing.


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Hello Mike,

[..]

Conspiracy echo. You can exchange your swears over there all you want. He
may even have his own political echo.

There is a message for you in the CONSPRCY echo.
Under the subject heading "Fidonet Central".
Should not be hard to find.
You and others are welcome to chime in.

You can talk about what you want without swearing.

You can talk about whatever you want. With, or without swearing.
The same as all participants.

There are only two rules in the CONSPRCY echo -

Rule Number One: There are no Rules.
Rule Number Two: See Rule Number One.

Have a day.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

I don't care. This is not a free speech echo, and everyone has

control

over their tagline files. No hard-core swearing. I don't think that

is

difficult thing to ask of adults.

Is it? The original seven words named by George Carlin are -

Apparently it is difficult for you.

George Carlin was spot on. I am sure you can find his monologue
on the web with a simple search. Remember, google is your friend.

--Lee

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On 25 Dec 2020, Kurt Weiske said the following...

others have pointed out, echomail isn't specifically covered in P4.

Who are these others that have pointed in the wrong direction that echomail isn't specifically covered in P4?

Specifically mentioned in P4...

9.9 Echomail

Echomail is an important and powerful force in FidoNet. For the purposes of Policy Disputes, echomail is simply a different flavor of netmail, and is therefore covered by Policy. By its nature, echomail places unique technical and social demands on the net over and above those covered by this version of Policy. In recognition of this, an echomail policy which extends (and does
not contradict) general Policy, maintained by the Echomail Coordinators, and ratified by a process similar to that of this document, is recognized by the FidoNet Coordinators as a valid structure for dispute resolution on matters pertaining to echomail. At some future date the echomail policy document may be merged with this one.

That's my take on it, at least.

Thanks.

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On 12-26-20, MIKE POWELL said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Let me clue you in to something.....

Unless and until the armed goons of the leftist democrats actually appear

at > my door to stifle my speech....please refer to the First and Fourth

Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

Let me clue you in on something.

Allow me to clue YOU in on something important;

This is not a free speech echo. If you

Anywhere I go in this country is a `free speech' area.


You don't like it?


I got a solution for you.

want to use such language, please follow Lee out the door to the his MP>Conspiracy echo. You can exchange your swears over there all you want. MP>He may even have his own political echo.

Go and get your favorite 25' tape measure.


Sit back down at your computer.

I fought a war for this country and I speak what I think whenever and MP>wherever >I please.

Thank you for your service, but you will not speak that way here. That MP>rule was originally written by another veteran, and I have kept it as it MP>is a good one.

Measure the distance from where you are sitting to the nearest corner of the room.

My grandfather fought in WWII. I am sure I heard him swear a time or two, MP>but he also had manners and common sense, and knew not to continue to do MP>so when asked not to. My closest friend was a Gulf War veteran. He used MP>to say that I curse too much.

Make sure your measurement is accurate.

"The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it." .....George Orwell

Get up from your computer and walk to that corner.

You can talk about what you want without swearing.

Close your eyes.


Now piss your pants.


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