It immediately reminded me of how so many conservatives have "blacklisted nearly all celebrity swine due to their participation in the leftist movement."
Fox News said "Chelsea removed Kanye West from her workout playlist" because he allegegly "treated Kim so badly."
It immediately reminded me of how so many conservatives have "blacklisted
nearly all celebrity swine due to their participation in the leftist movement."
Remind me again about how conservatives aren't easily offended and don't participate in "cancel culture?"
Not sure it covers "easily offended," but there is a difference between one person saying they are no longer going to listen to, buy, etc., something that offends them personally, and a group of persons banding together to presure companies to stop making or selling something that they find offensive and that they don't want available to others who are not offended.It immediately reminded me of how so many conservatives have "blacklistedRemind me again about how conservatives aren't easily offended and don't participate in "cancel culture?"
nearly all celebrity swine due to their participation in the leftis movement."
There have been various movements against rock-and-roll in the past, but the one I remember the most about was lead by Tipper Gore, who is not really someone that you would think of when hearing "conservative."
IIRC, Falwell lead one also, but all I think both of them did was help sell more records, instead of getting them removed from shelves.
Most successful "cancel culture" movements these days are against things that non-conservatives find offensive *OR* they are against celebrity sex predators that everyone should find offensive.
Not sure it covers "easily offended," but there is a difference between one person saying they are no longer going to listen to, buy, etc., something that offends them personally, and a group of persons banding together to presure companies to stop making or selling something that they find offensive and that they don't want available to others who are not offended.nearly all celebrity swine due to their participation in the leftiRemind me again about how conservatives aren't easily offended and don'
movement."
participate in "cancel culture?"
Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically referred to "so many conservatives."
But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are trying to make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the artist in question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but you still can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically referred to "so conservatives."Not sure it covers "easily offended," but there is a difference bet one person saying they are no longer going to listen to, buy, etc., something that offends them personally, and a group of persons band together to presure companies to stop making or selling something t they find offensive and that they don't want available to others wh not offended.nearly all celebrity swine due to their participation in the leftiRemind me again about how conservatives aren't easily offended an don'
movement."
participate in "cancel culture?"
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are trying to make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the artist in question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but you
still can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
Just more Ignorant Elitist definition changing.
Now "stop buying <artist> media because it sucks", is now the definition of "blacklisting <artist>".
But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are trying to make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the artist in question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but you still
can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
According to Merriam-Webster, cancel culture is "the practice or tendency of engaging in mass canceling* as a way of expressing disapproval and exerting social pressure." * Here they reference a particular definition of cancel, which is "to withdraw one's support for (someone, such as a celebrity, or something, such as a company) publicly and especially on social media."
It says nothing about preventing others access to whatever is being canceled.
That would come under the "exerting social pressure" part. Lefist cancel culture "exerts social pressure" on the manufacturers, sellers,But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are tryin make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the artist question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but you stillAccording to Merriam-Webster, cancel culture is "the practice or tendenc engaging in mass canceling* as a way of expressing disapproval and exert social pressure." * Here they reference a particular definition of cance which is "to withdraw one's support for (someone, such as a celebrity, o something, such as a company) publicly and especially on social media." It says nothing about preventing others access to whatever is being canc
can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
producers, etc., until the product, activity, etc., is no longer
available to anyone.
From what I can tell, in Aaron's case, I do not see any "exerting social pressure," only the mention that many conservatives have stopped buying things. Considering the product involved, it is also possible that many of them lost interest in it.
Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically referred to "so conservatives."
But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are trying to make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the artist in question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but you still can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-
I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. These famous leftists helped destroy my country.
No good has come of their
flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music still get played on American radio stations?
I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. These famous leftists helped destroy my country. No good has come of their flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music still get played on American radio stations?Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically referred t conservatives."But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are trying make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the artist in question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but you s can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
No good has come of theirWho listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the
flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music sti get played on American radio stations?
trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.
They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy
by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives being very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to run for an illegal third term -- but when it came down to it those fears never materialized, not even remotely close. But when your guy tries to illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.
They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy
by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives bei very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to run for an illegal thi term -- but when it came down to it those fears never materialized, not remotely close. But when your guy tries to illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.
Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be the face of the office while he was the one in the background actually getting things done.
Since he came right out and said it...
So now of course some believe that the "someone else" in Obama's scenario could be Biden.
Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be the
face of the office while he was the one in the background actually getting things done.
Since he came right out and said it...
Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, MP>sincehe could not, that he would like to have someone else who MP>would run and be the face of the office while he was the one in MP>the background actually getting things done.
He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried.
Aside from that, all presidents have advisors, and many have consulted with
former presidents from both sides of the aisle.
There are even photos of Trump being brought up to speed by Obama.
Since he came right out and said it...
Obama is not the president.
So now of course some believe that the "someone else" in Obama's
scenario could be Biden.
Obama would be a good resource for advice on presidential matters.
However, he is not on Biden's staff and has not been particularly active in
Biden's administration, if at all.
There are some matters in which a former president's knowledge
and/or insights can be very helpful. For example, Trump has met
the North Korean leader in person, and Biden might want to find
out how to get an invitation.
He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried.Not true. What he said is if he would run for another term he would
win. And that the USSC would not make any ruling in the matter, so as
not to go against the will of the people.
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
Not sure it covers "easily offended," but there is a difference between one person saying they are no longer going to listen to, buy, etc., something that offends them personally, and a group of persons banding together to presure companies to stop making or selling something that they find offensive and that they don't want available to others who
are not offended.
Most successful "cancel culture" movements these days are against
things that non-conservatives find offensive *OR* they are against celebrity sex predators that everyone should find offensive.
for a while now. Many of the Elitist-infected media are already having money issues.
I expect they will be going out in the next few years.
flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music sti get played on American radio stations?
Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the
trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.
I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. These famous leftists helped destroy my country. No good has come of their flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music sti get played on American radio stations?Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically refer conservatives."But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are tr make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the arti question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives being very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to
run for an illegal third term -- but when it came down to it those fears never materialized, not even remotely close. But when your guy tries to illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.
How is it that breaking the law and ignoring the will of the people is a part of "your" country?
I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. T famous leftists helped destroy my country. No good has come of t flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their musi get played on American radio stations?They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives being very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to run for an illegal third term -- but when it came down to it those fe never materialized, not even remotely close. But when your guy tries illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.
How is it that breaking the law and ignoring the will of the people i part of "your" country?
You're talking about an array of weird stuff there.
Media monkeys like
Cher & Madonna convinced masses of other idiots to vote for Biden, and
now we're all suffering the consequences.
Trump's attempt to assasinate 535 members of congress and the entire US military (and probably NATO forces too) was not planned very well. He failed bigtime. But I can't cry about that while Biden's playing fill er up during a deadly pandemic.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-
The media in this country is like official state media for the
Democrats, and it would take an asteroid (or a major power outage) to
shut them up.
Leftist music is all around us, not just on your stero. It's playing at the dentist's office, the break room at work, and in elevators. You
can't escape it. Luckily for you, you won't let a catchy song influence how you vote, but other people will. That's why a-holes like Bon Jovi
and John Cougar Mellencamp were telling everyone to "vote for Biden."
Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be the face of the office while he was the one in the background actually getting things done.
He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried. Aside from that, all presidents have advisors, and many have consulted with former presidents from both sides of the aisle. There are even photos of Trump being brought up to speed by Obama.
Since he came right out and said it...
Obama is not the president.
So now of course some believe that the "someone else" in Obama's scenario
could be Biden.
Obama would be a good resource for advice on presidential matters. However, he is not on Biden's staff and has not been particularly active in Biden's administration, if at all.
Leftist music is all around us, not just on your stero. It's playing at the dentist's office, the break room at work, and in elevators. You can't escape it. Luckily for you, you won't let a catchy song influence how you vote, but other people will. That's why a-holes like Bon Jovi and John Cougar Mellencamp
were telling everyone to "vote for Biden."
He acknowleged he could not run for a legit third term. In the same conversation, he also acknowledged that he would like to run for a secret third term by having someone else run that he could manipulate. I do not believe he acknowledged that he could not do that.Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, sin could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run an the face of the office while he was the one in the background actua getting things done.He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried. Aside from that, presidents have advisors, and many have consulted with former presidents both sides of the aisle. There are even photos of Trump being brought up speed by Obama.
Yes, Biden is.Since he came right out and said it...Obama is not the president.
That we know of.So now of course some believe that the "someone else" in Obama's scenarioObama would be a good resource for advice on presidential matters. Howev he is not on Biden's staff and has not been particularly active in Biden administration, if at all.
could be Biden.
He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried.
Not true. What he said is if he would run for another term he would
win. And that the USSC would not make any ruling in the matter, so as
not to go against the will of the people.
He did not try, despite his adamance that he would win if he did.
It was more of a thought experiment than a threat.
When the idea comes straight out of the horse's mouth, how can you blame some people for wondering about it?
So you are relying on what we don't know to make this accusation?
He acknowleged he could not run for a legit third term.
In the same conversation, he also acknowledged that he would like to run for
a secret third term by having someone else run that he could manipulate. I
do not believe he acknowledged that he could not do that.
Since he came right out and said it...
Obama is not the president.
Yes, Biden is.
So you are relying on what we don't know to make this accusation?
My recollection is that:
(1) I did accuse Obama of saying he wished he could run for a third term and, since he can't, he wished he could find someone to run that would let him run things in the background. There is video evidence of this one so I
feel pretty confident about it.
(2) I said that, because of (1), I can see where some people wonder if it didn't happen. I didn't say it happened.
It is not like Limbaugh, or his modern equal, said that and got people thinking about it. Obama himself said it during a TV interview.
When the idea comes straight out of the horse's mouth, how can you blame some people for wondering about it?
Mike Powell said to Jeff Thiele: <=-
Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be
Ron L. said to Aaron Thomas: <=-
Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the
trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.
Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be
Y'all really need to learn how to not just hear what someone says, but *listen* to what they say also. Obama's remark was very much like what I
say on the last day of vacation: "Damn, I wish I could stay here another week!"
On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
When the idea comes straight out of the horse's mouth, how can you blame some people for wondering about it?
I see. Kind of like, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you can find the 30,000 emails that are missing?"
Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.
Of course, because you can't handle anything challenging your view of the world.
Hillary's insecure private server was hacked long before she and her crew Bleached it.When the idea comes straight out of the horse's mouth, how can you some people for wondering about it?I see. Kind of like, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you can find t 30,000 emails that are missing?"
Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he
could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be
Y'all really need to learn how to not just hear what someone says, but *listen* to what they say also. Obama's remark was very much like what I say on the last day of vacation: "Damn, I wish I could stay here another week!"
Or he cannot stand listening to all of the commercials, which would be my reason.Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.Of course, because you can't handle anything challenging your view of th world.
Cher & Madonna convinced masses of other idiots to vote for Biden, an now we're all suffering the consequences.
And you think they should be silenced for this. I get it. That's not how our country works, though.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the military and NATO, but Trump did attempt a coup and is being investigated for it. He's also
It seems like you want the media to ignore any news about Trump and cast Biden only in a negative light. That's not news; that's propaganda.
They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the media.Cher & Madonna convinced masses of other idiots to vote for Bide now we're all suffering the consequences.And you think they should be silenced for this. I get it. That's not our country works, though.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the military and NATO, bu Trump did attempt a coup and is being investigated for it. He's alsoYou're a brainwashed leftist, so you're required by policy to say stuff like "Trump attempted a coup," but that's a generalized accusation. I'll laugh with you if Trump gets "the punishment he deserves."
It seems like you want the media to ignore any news about Trump and c Biden only in a negative light. That's not news; that's propaganda.This thread is about the leftist celebrities who endorsed Biden. They
did it with bad intentions, because despite Biden's rampant demolition
of America, most of these scum still double-down on their support for
him (like Jimmy Kimmel.)
Mike Powell said to Jeff Thiele: <=-
(1) I did accuse Obama of saying he wished he could run for a third
term and, since he can't, he wished he could find someone to run that
would let him run things in the background. There is video evidence of this one so I feel pretty confident about it.
I've never been someone who worships entertainers. So what a musician says about something non-music-related is pretty much irrelevant.
But I get what you say. Too many people think that an expert in area 1 automatically means that he's an expert in area 2. How else can a linguist be hailed as a foreign policy expert? (That's Chomsky, for
those who don't know.)
What kind of music do you like?
I never really cared as much for Bon Jovi after "Runaway," but JCM is one of my jams. I don't like his politics, and don't like some of his songs, but most of them are pretty good and are what I grew up on.
They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the media
They expressed their political opinions.
wishes to endorse Biden's political opponents. Biden is not seeking to "demolish" America. The Trump administration, which would hve continued
Look at what resulted. That was no accident.They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in theThey expressed their political opinions.
wishes to endorse Biden's political opponents. Biden is not seeking t "demolish" America. The Trump administration, which would hve continuDemolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What
kind of president tells people to "expect less?" A president should tell people to "expect more!"
Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What
kind of president tells people to "expect less?" A president should
tell people to "expect more!"
A realist who isn't out to tell people only what they want to hear. During WWII there were food rations, and sacrifices had to be made. Was that president telling people to "expect more!" or was he explaining the need to
"expect less."
They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the AT>media
They expressed their political opinions.
Look at what resulted. That was no accident.
wishes to endorse Biden's political opponents. Biden is not seeking to
"demolish" America. The Trump administration, which would hve continued
Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What kind of
president tells people to "expect less?" A president should tell people to "expect more!"
Look at what resulted. That was no accident.
I agree with you there, but was it wrong? Do they not have the right to endorse a candidate?
clout (and I suspect lots of money, too). And yet I don't see you questioning the political acumen of conservative billionaire donors. Why is that? Could it be that they tend to be conservative while celebrities tend to be liberal?
A realist who isn't out to tell people only what they want to hear.
During WWII there were food rations, and sacrifices had to be made. Was that president telling people to "expect more!" or was he explaining the need to "expect less."
That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why'sLook at what resulted. That was no accident.I agree with you there, but was it wrong? Do they not have the right endorse a candidate?
it so important for them to win this election?
They didn't care if
Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messaging like this for those elections.
Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
for getting political back then, but in 2016 they all marched together
to trash Trump.
to trash Trump. Hmmm, maybe they KNEW somehow that Trump would later be colluding with Russia, talking trash about veterans, doing a coup
attempt, and stealing documents. They KNEW that ahead of time somehow
that he would do all these terrible things. (Yea right)
clout (and I suspect lots of money, too). And yet I don't see you questioning the political acumen of conservative billionaire donors. is that? Could it be that they tend to be conservative while celebrit tend to be liberal?(What I said answers all this I hope.)
A realist who isn't out to tell people only what they want to hear. During WWII there were food rations, and sacrifices had to be made. W that president telling people to "expect more!" or was he explaining need to "expect less."If Democrats weren't wasting so much money, then they could tell us to "expect more." More is what Democrats are getting, and less is what the American people are getting. At least he was honest about something.
They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the AT>
They expressed their political opinions.
Look at what resulted. That was no accident.
81 million Americans voted for Joe Biden in 2020.
That is 7 million more Americans than who voted for Donald Trump.
Talk about a whooping. An incumbent president being a two-time
loser (Trump lost by 3 million votes to a woman, Hillary Clinton).
Those who benefit the most from the system should pay more.
Wouldn't you agree? Therefore, tax the shit out of those who
make over $400K per year. Everybody else gets a free ride.
What kind of music do you like?
I'm a jazz guy, but I grew up listening to rock & metal. I liked Bon Jovi a lo
in the 80s (I was a kid) and I wanted to be just like him.... Not anymore!
I never really cared as much for Bon Jovi after "Runaway," but JCM is one
of my jams. I don't like his politics, and don't like some of his songs,
but most of them are pretty good and are what I grew up on.
I don't want to boycott people for being Democrat supporters, but I want to target the ones who abused their fame to cultivate Biden votes. It can't be a coincidence that this old cracker had endless celebrity endorsements, and now he's wrecking the country; they KNEW he was gonna do some of this stuff! And they should be punished for that.
That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why' it so important for them to win this election?
In a word, Trump.
They didn't care if
Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messagin like this for those elections.
So what changed? What's your guess?
Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
for getting political back then, but in 2016 they all marched togethe to trash Trump.
They felt more strongly about Trump than previous candidates.
No, it doesn't. Why are you opposed to celebrities using their clout to endorse political candidates?
Democrats are not "wasting so much money." They are investing in our country, something Republicans seem to be unwilling to do.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-
I've never been someone who worships entertainers. So what a musician says about something non-music-related is pretty much irrelevant.
I wish other people would see it that way but I don't think they do.
It's definitely a common human behavior for people to look up to people who are experts in their fields,
and I think it's also common for
people to assume that these experts are experts at everything.
My kid's
doctor is a great doctor, and when he told me which neighborhood he
lives in, it made me want to live in that neighborhood too.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
Those who benefit the most from the system should pay more.
Wouldn't you agree? Therefore, tax the shit out of those who
make over $400K per year. Everybody else gets a free ride.
No! Because not everyone who makes $400k per year is milking the
system.
That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indication that Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? it so important for them to win this election?In a word, Trump.
What do you mean?They didn't care ifSo what changed? What's your guess?
Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-mes like this for those elections.
Yea, for sure, but that doesn't explain why.Celebrities weren't willing to lose fansThey felt more strongly about Trump than previous candidates.
for getting political back then, but in 2016 they all marched to to trash Trump.
No, it doesn't. Why are you opposed to celebrities using their clout endorse political candidates?Because they did it collectively and abruptly, and they never acted that way before. And they did it to hurt a candidate who had nothing personal to gain from becoming president. Where were they in 2012? Nobody had anything bad to say about Romney.
Democrats are not "wasting so much money." They are investing in our country, something Republicans seem to be unwilling to do.The money is being squandered, and voters are being lied to. I know we
had this conversation before, but look at what whitehouse.gov says about the previous money grab:
"These game-changing investments will put American plumbers and pipefitters to work replacing all of the Americas lead pipes and service lines and making other critical upgrades."
Notice the word "all" in there? But not "all" the lead pipes got
replaced, and not "all" of them ever will be. But whitehouse.gov
*insists* otherwise: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/16/fa et-the-biden-harris-lead-pipe-and-paint-action-plan/
I also enjoy jazz, and even the big band music from before that era.What kind of music do you like?I'm a jazz guy, but I grew up listening to rock & metal. I liked Bon Jov lo
in the 80s (I was a kid) and I wanted to be just like him.... Not anymor
I don't want to boycott people for being Democrat supporters, but I want target the ones who abused their fame to cultivate Biden votes. It can't coincidence that this old cracker had endless celebrity endorsements, an he's wrecking the country; they KNEW he was gonna do some of this stuff! they should be punished for that.I somewhat understand what you mean. There are some celebs whose work I like despite their political bent. The ones that stomp their feet before every election and threaten their fans with leaving the country or retiring if (Republican) gets elected, and who never follow through on such promises, they are in a different boat. Thing is, I am not sure
that there have been many celebs that I liked beforehand who have turned around and done that. Most of them are ones whose work I did not like to begin with. I actually cannot name one offhand that I did like.
Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are small minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I also would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not going to vote for the Republican in question anyway.
While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share their "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowd."
While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share their "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowd."
like despite their political bent. The ones that stomp their feet before
every election and threaten their fans with leaving the country or retiring if (Republican) gets elected, and who never follow through on such promises, they are in a different boat. Thing is, I am not sure that there have been many celebs that I liked beforehand who have turned around and done that. Most of them are ones whose work I did not like to begin with. I actually cannot name one offhand that I did like.
And then there are politically outspoken conservative celebrities you may remember, such as Roseanne Barr, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Phil and Willie Robinson, Stephen Baldwin, 50 Cent, Jesse James, Mike Ditka, Scott Baio, Kirstie Alley, James Woods, Dennis Quaid, Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz, "Diamond and Silk," Trace Adkins, Isaiah Washington, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Jack Nicklaus, Lil Wayne, Brett Favre, and more.
Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are small minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I also would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not going to vote for the Republican in question anyway.
The Republican party has no shortage of small-minded, bigoted, ignorant, and/or uneducated voters. I don't think there's much room to throw stones there.
While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter
what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share their "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowd."
Perhaps, perhaps not. Do you think that any of the people in the list above are just trying to be part of the "in" crowd?
They didn't care if
Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messagi
like this for those elections.
So what changed? What's your guess?
What do you mean?
"These game-changing investments will put American plumbers and pipefitters to
work replacing all of the Americas lead pipes and service lines and making other critical upgrades."
Notice the word "all" in there? But not "all" the lead pipes got replaced, and
not "all" of them ever will be. But whitehouse.gov *insists* otherwise:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/16/fact-s
et-the-biden-harris-lead-pipe-and-paint-action-plan/
My kid's
doctor is a great doctor, and when he told me which neighborhood he lives in, it made me want to live in that neighborhood too.
But did you want to live in that neighborhood because of what the doctor said, or because that person is a doctor?
That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indication t Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.
Dude, Trump was telling anyone who would listen what he'd do as
president.
I mean, you obviously think that you see a change in the way that celebrities have reacted to Republican presidential candidates over
time; what do you think is driving that change?
to gain from becoming president. Where were they in 2012? Nobody had anything bad to say about Romney.
And that is wrong how? For whatever reason they reacted more strongly toward Trump. What exactly should prohibit them from using their clout
to endorse a political candidate?
Perhaps you should ask your city why they have not availed themselves of some of these grants, and if they have, what's the holdup?
While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no ma what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share thei "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowThat's what I've suspected all this time also, that they were just
trying to suck up to that "in crowd" by making it loud and clear that
they are against Trump. But now I suspect that there's more to it than that.
Did you ever see such a high volume of celebrities speaking out against a political candidate before? I've seen them do it a little before, but never at this frequency.
Maybe some money from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act (cash grab part
1) and/or from the Build Back Better Act (cash grab part 2) is trickling down to the celebrities' pockets.
They can't be doing all this for
nothing.
Bon Jovi is rich, but he's not 100 billion dollars rich.
And then there are politically outspoken conservative celebrities you ma remember, such as Roseanne Barr, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Phil Willie Robinson, Stephen Baldwin, 50 Cent, Jesse James, Mike Ditka, Scot Baio, Kirstie Alley, James Woods, Dennis Quaid, Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz, "Diamond and Silk," Trace Adkins, Isaiah Washington, Elizabeth Hasselbec Jack Nicklaus, Lil Wayne, Brett Favre, and more.Did any of them threaten to leave the country, or retire from performing, if Obama or Biden got elected, and also not follow through? I was specific about that above. Out of the ones I have heard of on your
list, and actuallly like, I don't remember any of them doing that. The others I have either never heard of or don't follow enough to know (or care) if they did or not.
Again, on the topic of celebs who just about every election threaten to leave the country or retire, and people who follow them, I think there is plenty of room to do so.Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are smal minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I al would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not goi vote for the Republican in question anyway.The Republican party has no shortage of small-minded, bigoted, ignorant, and/or uneducated voters. I don't think there's much room to throw stone there.
Of the ones I recognize, they all would fall into the first half of that statement.While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matterPerhaps, perhaps not. Do you think that any of the people in the list ab are just trying to be part of the "in" crowd?
what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share th "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in cr
Right, but he didn't do anything to harm the American people. He just wasn't the solution to a desire for hundreds of billions of dollars.That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indicat Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.Dude, Trump was telling anyone who would listen what he'd do as president.
I mean, you obviously think that you see a change in the way that celebrities have reacted to Republican presidential candidates over time; what do you think is driving that change?I suspect that they get their greasy fingers on some of the hundreds of billions of dollars that Democrats are squandering from the taxpayers.
Because what is the BFD about Trump? How's he so harmful to the healthto gain from becoming president. Where were they in 2012? Nobody anything bad to say about Romney.And that is wrong how? For whatever reason they reacted more strongly toward Trump. What exactly should prohibit them from using their clou to endorse a political candidate?
and well-being of celebrities?
Perhaps you should ask your city why they have not availed themselves some of these grants, and if they have, what's the holdup?No, I should ask the president and my US district rep. They said "all," and they signed off on it, and they got the funds, and then instead of getting the pipes replaced, we got Money Grab 2.0
Are your lead pipes on your property, or are they part of the infrastructure that feeds water to your water district as a whole? If they are on your property, I can guarantee those were not covered and
will only ever get replaced if you pay for them.
If they are part of the infrastructure, then that statememt above would lead me to believe that they should have been replaced. Do you know if your water district applied for the funds?
Did you ever see such a high volume of celebrities speaking out again political candidate before? I've seen them do it a little before, but never at this frequency.
Perhaps your candidate is not nearly as popular as you think. Perhaps
your candidate is spectacularly *un*popular.
Maybe some money from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act (cash grab pa 1) and/or from the Build Back Better Act (cash grab part 2) is trickl down to the celebrities' pockets.
Do you have evidence of this, or are you just throwing out wild accusations?
theatrical groups which do the same. Not everyone is motivated by wealth or other quid-pro-quo arrangements.
Bon Jovi has money, sure, but the Jon Bon Jovi Soul Foundation also runs the JBJ Soul Kitchen restaurants, which are community restaurants that operate on donations only. Inability to pay does not keep anyone from dining with the same dignity and respect as paying customers. Is there
any real question as to why Trump might rub Bon Jovi the wrong way?
That would explain it, but no, Trump had nearly 1/2 of the countryDid you ever see such a high volume of celebrities speaking out political candidate before? I've seen them do it a little before never at this frequency.Perhaps your candidate is not nearly as popular as you think. Perhaps your candidate is spectacularly *un*popular.
voting for him in his re-election (maybe even slightly more than 1/2!)
Why aren't the celebrities more evenly divided, like the normal people?
There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.
I'm not taking them to civil court, but I'm taking them to moral court.Maybe some money from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act (cash gr 1) and/or from the Build Back Better Act (cash grab part 2) is t down to the celebrities' pockets.Do you have evidence of this, or are you just throwing out wild accusations?
theatrical groups which do the same. Not everyone is motivated by wea or other quid-pro-quo arrangements.It's good to think positively like that. Maybe Bon Jovi had no clue that he'd be helping to ruin the country when he spoke those magic words
about "vote for Biden."
Bon Jovi has money, sure, but the Jon Bon Jovi Soul Foundation also r the JBJ Soul Kitchen restaurants, which are community restaurants tha operate on donations only. Inability to pay does not keep anyone from dining with the same dignity and respect as paying customers. Is ther any real question as to why Trump might rub Bon Jovi the wrong way?I didn't hear Bon Jovi complaining about Trump. Was he? I won't listen
to him anymore anyway.
Bon Jovi's probably intimidated by Trump because Trump actually helps people instead of just having them suck on his nipple.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-
For the leftists' puppets, however, they are not dealing with "other factors." They're just being told, by their favorite celebrities, to
mark the bubble for the money-grabbin Democrat, and there's nothing
that's going to cause deviation from those instructions either, because the media's got them under control very well. They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump was a racist" or
"Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."
For the leftists' puppets, however, they are not dealing with "other factors." They're just being told, by their favorite celebrities, to mark the bubble for the money-grabbin Democrat, and there's nothing that's going to cause deviation from those instructions either, becau the media's got them under control very well. They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia.""One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument.
They can vent their
emotions,
question other people's motives,
make bold assertion,
repeat
slogans
-- anything except reason."
-- Thomas Sowell
And then there are politically outspoken conservative celebrities you mDid any of them threaten to leave the country, or retire from performing,
remember, such as Roseanne Barr, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Phil
Willie Robinson, Stephen Baldwin, 50 Cent, Jesse James, Mike Ditka, Sco
Baio, Kirstie Alley, James Woods, Dennis Quaid, Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz
"Diamond and Silk," Trace Adkins, Isaiah Washington, Elizabeth Hasselbe
Jack Nicklaus, Lil Wayne, Brett Favre, and more.
if Obama or Biden got elected, and also not follow through? I was specific about that above. Out of the ones I have heard of on your list, and actuallly like, I don't remember any of them doing that. The others I have either never heard of or don't follow enough to know (or care) if they did or not.
They supported Trump, which is enough to refute Aaron's nonsense.
Again, on the topic of celebs who just about every election threaten to leave the country or retire, and people who follow them, I think there isOthers liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are smaThe Republican party has no shortage of small-minded, bigoted, ignorant
minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I a
would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not go
vote for the Republican in question anyway.
and/or uneducated voters. I don't think there's much room to throw ston
there.
plenty of room to do so.
The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publicly endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed to do so.
Of the ones I recognize, they all would fall into the first half of that statement.
So there's a double-standard, eh? Conservative celebrities are expressing their beliefs, but liberal celebrities are milking their audience? Interesting perspective, but I don't agree.
Are your lead pipes on your property, or are they part of the infrastructure that feeds water to your water district as a whole? If they are on your property, I can guarantee those were not covered and will only ever get replaced if you pay for them.
It's my city's piping system that has lead pipes. The county health dept makes
it clear that we need to run our water for 60 seconds before drinking it.
If they are part of the infrastructure, then that statememt above would lead me to believe that they should have been replaced. Do you know if your water district applied for the funds?
I don't know, but either way, it's a scam. There's no way to justify certain cities remaining with lead in their drinking water, after reading what they say on the whitehouse website.
Every parent in Binghamton knows that we've got lead in our drinking water. If
any of these parents know about the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act, then the truth about Democrats should be 100% crystal clear for them at this point.
They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump
was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."
Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept to you and some others here. Pre-COVID, I played bass in a band that would perform for free at local festivals and the like. We all had day jobs and had no illusions of ever making it big; we just enjoyed playing music for people to listen to. There are other community music and theatrical groups which do the same. Not everyone is motivated by wealth or other quid-pro-quo arrangements.
Perhaps your candidate is not nearly as popular as you think. Perhaps your candidate is spectacularly *un*popular.
That would explain it, but no, Trump had nearly 1/2 of the country voting for him in his re-election (maybe even slightly more than 1/2!) Why aren't the celebrities more evenly divided, like the normal people? There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.
If you were trying to refute Aaron, why were you replying to me with that list?
The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publicly endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed to do sYou responded to me, where I said I was ok with them having public political opinions, but not OK with the ones who tied public promises/threats to those opinions and then don't follow through.
Your response to ME, not Aaron, was to list a bunch of conservatives who were public about their politics, which seems odd since I am the one
that is ok with celebs expressing their opinion without making promises/threats along with them.
Sounds like you replied to the wrong person?
Since none of them that *I* know of were not following through with post-election promises or threats, I only feel certain about them.
Since you don't seem to know whether they made such threats or not, either, it seems very odd that you listed them all off to me.
Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept to you some others here.Not it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politicians (who are not doing things for free).
I suspect that they get their greasy fingers on some of the hundreds billions of dollars that Democrats are squandering from the taxpayers
It couldn't possibly be a conviction of some sort or another? A desire
for a better country in terms of the way we treat the least among us?
He is harmful to the health and well-being of our country. Do you seriously think that all celebrities think only of themselves?
Grants need to be applied for. Ask your local government why you still have lead pipes despite national funding to replace them. Unless, of course, the lead pipes are on your property, in which case, why are you expecting the national government to upgrade your private property?
They defend the human smuggling industry, but they use their actingI suspect that they get their greasy fingers on some of the hund billions of dollars that Democrats are squandering from the taxpIt couldn't possibly be a conviction of some sort or another? A desir for a better country in terms of the way we treat the least among us?
skills to make ignorant people think that all the deaths at the border
are justified and that it's a coincidence that the border was better enforced under Trump policy. They *had* morons thinking that "Trump
hates Mexicans" but the new narrative is that "The migrants hate Mexicans."
He is harmful to the health and well-being of our country. Do you seriously think that all celebrities think only of themselves?They are paid what to "think" when they speak publicly, in places where the other party (Trump) is unable to defend himself against the things they say.
Grants need to be applied for. Ask your local government why you stil have lead pipes despite national funding to replace them. Unless, of course, the lead pipes are on your property, in which case, why are y expecting the national government to upgrade your private property?Thanks for that advice, but lead pipes are prevalent in my section of
the city because it's the oldest developed section (first ward.) The
city might possibly have some other districts without lead pipes, but
they are definitely a hazard in my neighborhood. However, I should not have to ask anyone for anything, because this is false advertising on whitehouse.gov.
There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.
You assume it's about personal wealth and money, but that's not necessarily the case. There are other possibilities.
the media's got them under control very well. They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."
"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertion, repeat slogans -- anything except reason."
"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how ma people are unable to make a coherent argument.
Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republicans still insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
If you were trying to refute Aaron, why were you replying to me with that
list?
I was going with the flow of the conversation.
The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publiclYou responded to me, where I said I was ok with them having public political opinions, but not OK with the ones who tied public promises/threats to those opinions and then don't follow through.
endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed to do
There are empty threats on both sides. Liberals threaten to leave the country, and conservatives threaten to secede.
Since none of them that *I* know of were not following through with post-election promises or threats, I only feel certain about them.
Since you don't seem to know whether they made such threats or not, either, it seems very odd that you listed them all off to me.
Again, empty threats are made on both sides. No one has seceded yet, either.
Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept to yoNot it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politicians (who are not doing things for free).
some others here.
We are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards Aaron.
Every Democrat, celebrity, media personality, and reptile was freakingThere's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, bu haven't pinpointed it yet.You assume it's about personal wealth and money, but that's not necessarily the case. There are other possibilities.
out in an unprecedented way, low and behold the biggest money grab in
the history of the confederacy.
Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA Republicans?"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is h people are unable to make a coherent argument.Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republicans st insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
Which had changed.If you were trying to refute Aaron, why were you replying to me wit thatI was going with the flow of the conversation.
list?
Conservative TV, movie, and music celebrities, with large followings that we've both heard of?There are empty threats on both sides. Liberals threaten to leave the country, and conservatives threaten to secede.The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publiclYou responded to me, where I said I was ok with them having public political opinions, but not OK with the ones who tied public promises/threats to those opinions and then don't follow through.
endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed
And, to my knowledge, none of the celebrities you listed have threatened either. The only one you listed, that I recognize, that I had doubts about was Roseanne. I didn't watch her show and don't follow her close enough to know if she threatened to leave or secede or not.Since none of them that *I* know of were not following through with post-election promises or threats, I only feel certain about them. Since you don't seem to know whether they made such threats or not, either, it seems very odd that you listed them all off to me.Again, empty threats are made on both sides. No one has seceded yet, eit
So, you referred to Aaron in the plural, "you and some others here"? How many others does Aaron account for?We are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards Aaron.Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept yoNot it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politic (who are not doing things for free).
some others here.
Every parent in Binghamton knows that we've got lead in our drinking wat If
any of these parents know about the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act, then truth about Democrats should be 100% crystal clear for them at this poin
Indeed, I can see why you feel strongly about this. Are there any movements to get locals banded together to get answers from your water company?
They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump
was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."
So, wait, you are saying they vote for Chuck because a celebrity tells them that Chuck colludes with Russia?
It might be something a little more obvious than that. Democrat candidates tend to kiss up to celebrities also, and some of those celebrities probably like it and return the favor. Also, as I said before, many of their fans like it.
IIRC, Trump pretty much came out as "against the Hollywood elite" so I doubt they had much reason to warm to him.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-
I'd like to get some updates from the celebrities about when all the
good stuff is supposed to start happening. Surely we'll someday realize how Trump was ruining our country all along and how Biden fixed
everything to the best of his ability. ;)
Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-
I never trusted the Democrats with the money in the first place, so it would be contradictory for me to argue about it with them now. But stay tuned, and maybe someday we'll discover where all this money ended up.
Should I rile up the locals? Demand our pipes? No. But it would behoove Republicans to make information about this scam be widely known. But
will they act on that opportunity to show everyone how full of it Democrats are? Not a chance!
So, you referred to Aaron in the plural, "you and some others here"? HowNot it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politiWe are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards
(who are not doing things for free).
Aaron.
many others does Aaron account for?
Are there only three of us here? If it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you.
Indeed, I can see why you feel strongly about this. Are there any movements to get locals banded together to get answers from your water company?
I never trusted the Democrats with the money in the first place, so it would be contradictory for me to argue about it with them now. But stay tuned, and maybe someday we'll discover where all this money ended up.
Should I rile up the locals? Demand our pipes? No. But it would behoove Republicans to make information about this scam be widely known. But will they
act on that opportunity to show everyone how full of it Democrats are? Not a chance!
On 07 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republicans s
insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA Republicans?
Look at the attendance at Trump rallies.
re: lead pipes with known issues that are
not being replaced.
Except I was one of the ones claiming that most celebrities, and politicians, don't do things for free, and that it was naive to think otherwise.Are there only three of us here? If it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't to you.So, you referred to Aaron in the plural, "you and some others here" HowNot it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politiWe are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards
(who are not doing things for free).
Aaron.
many others does Aaron account for?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republi s
insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
Their attendance doesn't mean they think he won the 2020 election. I would take it more as support for future elections, and would assume (possibly wrong) that they believe in the MAGA philosophy.Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA Republicans?
Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA
Republicans?
Look at the attendance at Trump rallies.
Their attendance doesn't mean they think he won the 2020 election.
A $1000 million funding to eliminate lead hazards, from paint to
pipes, was in Biden's Build Back Better bill.
But of course, the GOP unanimously voted against it. How could they vote for a Leftist program to USA better? No can do!
MIKE POWELL wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-
from all advertising in the Chinese market. As I look at your list, I suspect the ones that are truely cancelled (i.e. you cannot watch,
find, or buy them anywere -- and I only see one!) happened not because
above, become as difficult to obtain as a copy of "And to Think that I
Saw it on Mulberry Street."
When these get removed these days, it is usually no longer because of
the mention of the characters but because of the sexual content not
being age appropriate.
passage out of one such book available in their kid's school library.
He was prevented from doing so because he was told he could not read "pornography" during the meeting as there might be children watching
Mike Powell wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-
Y'all really need to learn how to not just hear what someone says, but *listen* to what they say also. Obama's remark was very much like what I
say on the last day of vacation: "Damn, I wish I could stay here another week!"
I am pretty certain I could say that about a lot of things that Donald Trump said, too. The person I was conversing with would not take that well as, to them, everything Trump says should be taken literally.
Lee Lofaso wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-
Of course, we all know he chose not to run for a third consecutive
term. Although he did not say why, we all know the truth - his wife
would not let him.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
This thread is about the leftist celebrities who endorsed Biden. They
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What
kind of president tells people to "expect less?" A president should
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why's
it so important for them to win this election? They didn't care if
Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messaging like this for those elections. Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
In a word, Trump.
That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indication
that Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.
MIKE POWELL wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-
from all advertising in the Chinese market. As I look at your list, I suspect the ones that are truely cancelled (i.e. you cannot watch,
find, or buy them anywere -- and I only see one!) happened not because
It's disingenous to re-frame the crux of the debate in the middle of the debate. I.e. you can't say "oh, I mean stuff that is 'truly' canceled and cannot watch..."
above, become as difficult to obtain as a copy of "And to Think that I Saw it on Mulberry Street."
That's because Dr. Seuss Enterprises decided to stop publishing "Mulberry Street" and five others. Their choice.
When these get removed these days, it is usually no longer because of the mention of the characters but because of the sexual content not being age appropriate.
Well, you can keep telling yourself that if you'd like, doesn't mean "they have sexual content" isn't code for "we hate LGBTQ people".
He was prevented from doing so because he was told he could not read passage out of one such book available in their kid's school library. "pornography" during the meeting as there might be children watching
What is the book's title, and who is the author?
That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why's it so important for them to win this election? They didn't care if Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messaging like this for those elections. Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
Wow, that's some pretty fine selective memory there, Aaron. Are you certain you don't remember the "Change" rallies? Or the music video where a bunch
of celebrities joined in to voice their support of Obama,
"Scarlett Johansson, John Legend, Herbie Hancock, Kate Walsh, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Adam Rodriquez, Kelly Hu, Adam Rodriquez, Amber Valetta, Nick Cannon, will.i.am and Jesse Dylan."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4231523&page=1
This thread is about the leftist celebrities who endorsed Biden. They
I dunno why you keep saying "leftist" like it is some type of putdown, there's a whole lot of us who are proud to be progressives.
That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why' it so important for them to win this election? They didn't care if Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messagin like this for those elections. Celebrities weren't willing to lose fa
Wow, that's some pretty fine selective memory there, Aaron. Are you certain you don't remember the "Change" rallies? Or the music video
where a bunch of celebrities joined in to voice their support of Obama,
"Scarlett Johansson, John Legend, Herbie Hancock, Kate Walsh, Kareem
Abdul Jabbar, Adam Rodriquez, Kelly Hu, Adam Rodriquez, Amber Valetta, Nick Cannon, will.i.am and Jesse Dylan."
But of course, the GOP unanimously voted against it. How could they
vote for a Leftist program to USA better? No can do!
I'm glad that they voted against it! It was a scam! A money-grab!
I'm glad that they voted against it! It was a scam! A money-grab!
Unlike the 1.9 trillion the GOP wasted on tax credits for the most wealthy persons and companies you mean? And you only want the government to pay for cleaning up the lead problem if it was granted by the GOP,
but if it came from the "Lefties" it's a scam. How's that for really, really stupid?
But of course, the GOP unanimously voted against it. How could they
vote for a Leftist program to USA better? No can do!
I'm glad that they voted against it! It was a scam! A money-grab!
Unlike the 1.9 trillion the GOP wasted on tax credits for the most wealthy persons and companies you mean? And you only want the government to
pay for cleaning up the lead problem if it was granted by the GOP, but if it came from the "Lefties" it's a scam. How's that for really, really stupid?
Yeah well, I can only pity all you stupid Trumpies that don't understand
the difference between waste and investment.
Every million given to the wealthy is spent on private jets, superyachts
and extra mansions, while a million for the lower and middle classes is spent on rent and food, and sometimes on loan sharkes trying to get rid of their student loans.
Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-
I would go as far as to say that celebrities were out in greater force
in support of Obama than they were of Biden.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-
The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been this much "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money grabs are unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?
3) The need to remove a president has never been stronger than for Richard Nixon. He set the bar.
The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been this mu "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money grabs a unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?
I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:
1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not remember the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for things that were patently not true.
2) I don't think that Trump has been defamed. History will tell, but
there does seem to be evidence for many of the charges against Trump.
3) The need to remove a president has never been stronger than for
Richard Nixon. He set the bar.
4) I do not see any money grabs.
That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody elseThe anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been th "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money gr unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:
1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not reme the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for th that were patently not true.
did.
The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been this m
"need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money grabs unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?
I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:
1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not remember
the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for things
that were patently not true.
That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody else did.
What about all the unofficial charges? Like the one about him calling dead soldiers "cowards?" Or that "Trump refused to rent to blacks?" How about the one about "The president had a bad day today, and Melania appears to now have a black eye?"
I wasn't around in those days. Was the media giving it their all? Did Johnny Carson make Nixon jokes nightly for several straight years?
4) I do not see any money grabs.
So you're feeling good about Biden's investments? I'm glad! But what is there to feel good about? Have you seen a return on this investment in any way yet?
Does it seem like it's the right time to start spending millions on influencing Pakistani culture?
Or how about billions to the same central
American countries that send their people backpacking to the USA because of "problems back home?"
That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody else did.
Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic Negro?"
Other people did attack him aside from Trump.
Other people did attack him aside from Trump.
Obama might have had other critics, but the media criticism of Trump was unprecedentedly widespread. There was a unification of many people in the effort to prevent (and later to remove) Trump.
TV shows like SNL have always picked on presidents, but David Letterman didn't
criticize GWB on a nightly basis, and the news people didn't act outraged about everything that he (GWB) did or anything like that. They were "fine" with GWB being president.
Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic Negro?"
Nobody except for Rush Limbaugh.
Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limbaugh were going to influence an election?
Nobody except for Rush Limbaugh.That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody did.Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic Negro?
Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limbaugh
were going to influence an election?
The people who listen to Limbaugh and are "influenced" by him were never going to vote for a Democrat, so the answer should be "no."Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic NegrNobody except for Rush Limbaugh.
Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limbaugh we going to influence an election?
Exactly. So he was not likely to influence someone like, say, you to suddenly start voting against Democrats. He had a choir that he preached to.The tendency of a person to listen to Limbaugh and the content of Limbau show are two different things. Limbaugh's show offered conservative viewpoints, sure, but was also intended to keep the sheep in the fold.The people who listen to Limbaugh and are "influenced" by him were going to vote for a Democrat, so the answer should be "no."Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Mag NegNobody except for Rush Limbaugh.
Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limb w
going to influence an election?
The people who listen to Limbaugh and are "influenced" by him were never going to vote for a Democrat, so the answer should be "no."Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic NegNobody except for Rush Limbaugh.
Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limbaugh w
going to influence an election?
The tendency of a person to listen to Limbaugh and the content of Limbaugh's show are two different things. Limbaugh's show offered conservative viewpoints, sure, but was also intended to keep the sheep in the fold.
SNL did not pick on Obama near as much as Presidents before him. They
did pick on VP Biden some, IIRC. Even the Simpsons, who had poked fun
at both Bushes, Clinton, Al Gore, Bob Dole, and even Ford, left Obama alone.
Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic NNobody except for Rush Limbaugh.
Nice of you to carve out an exception, but there were many more attacks than just that.
Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limbaugh were going to influence an election?
"A few" negative comments, misinformation, and audience reach could have had some influence, yes. Perhaps not enough to turn the election itself, but to change the margin of victory, certainly.
Yea right. I live in the same country as you. Nobody wanted to beNice of you to carve out an exception, but there were many more attac than just that.Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the MaNobody except for Rush Limbaugh.
labeled as a klan member for saying anything bad about the Kenyan
migrant.
You have a wild imagination. Nobody called him out for anything outsideDid you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Lim were going to influence an election?"A few" negative comments, misinformation, and audience reach could h had some influence, yes. Perhaps not enough to turn the election itse but to change the margin of victory, certainly.
of AM radio.
So you're saying that you were thinking these things (such as that Obama was a Kenyan immigrant, which he wasn't), but were afraid of the consequences of speaking them out loud?
1. Plenty of people did speak them out loud on social media and
elsewhere.
2. Perhaps you should fear the consequences of spreading lies.
So now we've gone from "nobody" to "okay, just Rush Limbaugh" to "nobody outside of AM radio." Keep going, you're getting closer. How about Fox News?
So you're saying that you were thinking these things (such as that Ob was a Kenyan immigrant, which he wasn't), but were afraid of the consequences of speaking them out loud?Nobody was allowed to say anything bad about Obama, so nobody did.
1. Plenty of people did speak them out loud on social media and elsewhere.
2. Perhaps you should fear the consequences of spreading lies.
Joe's another Obama when it comes to media attention. They ain't saying nothin bad about Joe, despite all their opportunities to strike him.
So now we've gone from "nobody" to "okay, just Rush Limbaugh" to "nob outside of AM radio." Keep going, you're getting closer. How about Fo News?Fox News doesn't count. Only cable subscribers even have access to watch Fox News.
Every single broadcast channel the country plus 99% of cable
channels were "impeaching" Trump since before day 1.
Ask anyone "Remeber all those Obama jokes?" and they will say "No I don't."
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I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:
1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not remember the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for things that were patently not true.
That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody else
did.
The people who listen to Limbaugh and are "influenced" by him werenever
going to vote for a Democrat, so the answer should be "no."
The tendency of a person to listen to Limbaugh and the content of Limbaugh's
show are two different things. Limbaugh's show offered conservative viewpoints, sure, but was also intended to keep the sheep in the fold.
Sorry. I don't listen to dead men talking.The people who listen to Limbaugh and are "influenced" by him werenever
going to vote for a Democrat, so the answer should be "no."The tendency of a person to listen to Limbaugh and the content of Limbaugh's
show are two different things. Limbaugh's show offered conservative viewpoints, sure, but was also intended to keep the sheep in the fold
Sure they did. Your memory is failing you. Here is contemporary coverage of the anti-Obama rhetoric during the 2012 presidential campaign season: https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/21/opinion/avlon-hostile-gop-rhetoric
But of course, that was just rhetoric. Trump took it to the next level by actually attacking our Constitution and our democracy.
Joe's another Obama when it comes to media attention. They ain't sayi nothin bad about Joe, despite all their opportunities to strike him.
Maybe there's nothing bad to say.
Fox News doesn't count. Only cable subscribers even have access to wa Fox News.
What new Calvinball rule is this?
Every single broadcast channel the country plus 99% of cable
channels were "impeaching" Trump since before day 1.
Your evidence for this?
Sorry. I don't listen to dead men talking.
Hence the past tense "offered."
Although, I strongly suspect that our friend Gregory listens to re-runs every chance he gets.
Sure they did. Your memory is failing you. Here is contemporary cover of the anti-Obama rhetoric during the 2012 presidential campaign seas https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/21/opinion/avlon-hostile-gop-rhetoricWe were talking about the media being hostile with Obama, not political parties being hostile with Obama. (Of course the GOP will talk bad about Obama.)
You're missing the main point (that Trump was slandered by the media and other recent presidents were not.)
But of course, that was just rhetoric. Trump took it to the next leve actually attacking our Constitution and our democracy.All the Trump stuff is a distraction attempt. They need Trump to get
lost while they run off with the power and the loot. Nobody is feeling
the burn of Trump right now, we're feeling the burn of Biden.
How about this stuff?Joe's another Obama when it comes to media attention. They ain't nothin bad about Joe, despite all their opportunities to strikeMaybe there's nothing bad to say.
"I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle!"
"If you're not sure if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black!"
I don't want my president on video tape saying those things. Let me see video footage of Trump trashing the veterans. (Oh my bad, footage of that doesn't exist, it's only mouthage.)
Do they give you free Fox News in Texas?Fox News doesn't count. Only cable subscribers even have access Fox News.What new Calvinball rule is this?
Turn the TV on!Every single broadcast channel the country plus 99% of cable channels were "impeaching" Trump since before day 1.Your evidence for this?
Just in case it escaped your notice, those hostilities toward Obama were reported by the media.
You're missing the main point (that Trump was slandered by the media other recent presidents were not.)
In what way was Trump slandered? He's a buffoon in real life and made a lot of mistakes.
But of course, that was just rhetoric. Trump took it to the next actually attacking our Constitution and our democracy.All the Trump stuff is a distraction attempt. They need Trump to get lost while they run off with the power and the loot. Nobody is feelin the burn of Trump right now, we're feeling the burn of Biden.
I disagree that it's a distraction. Those are serious charges.
"I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle!"
"If you're not sure if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black!"
Where did you hear about this stuff?
Just in case it escaped your notice, those hostilities toward Obama w reported by the media.That's just "Hey look everyone! White Republicans are talking negatively about the black president!"
That's a big list to review, but at the top of it is the (staged) Russian collusion claim. The truth from that story came out already (It was Hillary's monkeys.)You're missing the main point (that Trump was slandered by the m other recent presidents were not.)In what way was Trump slandered? He's a buffoon in real life and made lot of mistakes.
Now we're still waiting for video (or even audio)
coverage of the "dead soldiers are cowards" comment or coverage of Trump mercillesly punching the shit out of Melania.
Are you crying yourself to sleep every night because of Trump?I disagree that it's a distraction. Those are serious charges.But of course, that was just rhetoric. Trump took it to the actually attacking our Constitution and our democracy.All the Trump stuff is a distraction attempt. They need Trump to lost while they run off with the power and the loot. Nobody is f the burn of Trump right now, we're feeling the burn of Biden.
Do you
feel so betrayed, that you feel like protesting?
But you're fine with
the unmanageable surge at the border and the unprecedented inflation and crime?
And the with a white house admin that ignores and rejects the
facts about the border being insecure?
I saw it on video. I'm 100% sure I posted a link to it on this echo several times in the past. Google hiding it now doesn't make me a liar."I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle!"Where did you hear about this stuff?
"If you're not sure if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't bl
Here's another great Biden quote:
"Obama was the 1st black candidate who was clean and articulate."
If someone said "What was that thing that Biden said about black candidates?" then someone might recall it like this:
"Prior to Obama, black candidates were dirty and stupid."
There is other evidence besides video evidence. Cameras aren't quite everywhere (yet). You're assuming a standard that doesn't exist.
Sure they did. Your memory is failing you. Here is contemporary coveWe were talking about the media being hostile with Obama, not political parties being hostile with Obama. (Of course the GOP will talk bad about Obama.)
of the anti-Obama rhetoric during the 2012 presidential campaign sea
https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/21/opinion/avlon-hostile-gop-rhetoric
Just in case it escaped your notice, those hostilities toward Obama were reported by the media.
How about this stuff?
"I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle!"
"If you're not sure if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black!"
Where did you hear about this stuff?
Here's another great Biden quote:
"Obama was the 1st black candidate who was clean and articulate."
"Obama was the 1st black candidate who was clean and articulate."
I bet that was news to Jessie Jackson.
But were these specifically members of the media who reported it being hostile to Obama themselves, which was his apparent point?We were talking about the media being hostile with Obama, not polit parties being hostile with Obama. (Of course the GOP will talk bad Obama.)Just in case it escaped your notice, those hostilities toward Obama were reported by the media.
I saw the latter on the local news. I have seen old news clips of the former. I don't think Aaron's quote is 100% correct there, but he caught the gist of it.How about this stuff?Where did you hear about this stuff?
"I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle!"
"If you're not sure if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black
There is other evidence besides video evidence. Cameras aren't quite everywhere (yet). You're assuming a standard that doesn't exist.When we need video evidence of Democrats lying, we always find it.
former. I don't think Aaron's quote is 100% correct there, but he ca the gist of it.
So the media were not ignoring criticism of Biden.
Does the openly-leftist media say (lately) that Joe has bad approval ratings? Fox News says his ratings are bad, but I don't believe them.former. I don't think Aaron's quote is 100% correct there, but the gist of it.So the media were not ignoring criticism of Biden.
In the case of the latter, I am not sure they painted it as good or bad. They just showed it. In the case of the former, it was older footage
and I also don't remember them painting it either way.
Way back, I posted a link to several lies he told about his education and his life story (plagerized from a British politician almost word for
word) that rendered a previous Presidential attempt back in the 1980's null and void. The link was news footage which was interesting because
it actually showed how the network news people used to deliver the news without any spin.
It was current topic at the time I posted it, too, as he had repeated
part of the education lie more recently.
I will have to find that again.
When a Republican says it, and especially Trump, and it is false, it is a "lie."There is other evidence besides video evidence. Cameras aren't quit everywhere (yet). You're assuming a standard that doesn't exist.When we need video evidence of Democrats lying, we always find it.
When a Democrat says it, and it is false, it is a "point that needs clarifying," or that needs to be "circled back" on, or was said before more information became available.
See the difference?
Does the openly-leftist media say (lately) that Joe has bad approval ratings? Fox News says his ratings are bad, but I don't believe them.
So you think that contrary to what Fox News is reporting, Biden's
approval ratings are good? Why would the media report that Biden's approval ratings are bad when they aren't?
"Senator Cory Booker speaks so eloquently." That was one of Biden's more mild but still racist comments that's out there somewhere (saw it on video.)
I saw the latter on the local news. I have seen old news clips of the former. I don't think Aaron's quote is 100% correct there, but he caughtHow about this stuff?Where did you hear about this stuff?
"I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle!"
"If you're not sure if you're for me or Trump, then you ain't blac
the gist of it.
So the media were not ignoring criticism of Biden.
There is other evidence besides video evidence. Cameras aren't quite everywhere (yet). You're assuming a standard that doesn't exist.
When we need video evidence of Democrats lying, we always find it.
So while Fox News says "Biden's polling badly," what are the openly-leftist news corporations saying about Biden's approval rating?Does the openly-leftist media say (lately) that Joe has bad appr ratings? Fox News says his ratings are bad, but I don't believeSo you think that contrary to what Fox News is reporting, Biden's approval ratings are good? Why would the media report that Biden's approval ratings are bad when they aren't?
When a Republican says it, and especially Trump, and it is false, it is a "lie."
When a Democrat says it, and it is false, it is a "point that needs clarifying," or that needs to be "circled back" on, or was said before more information became available.
If Fox News says "Biden's polling badly," but you don't believe them,
then that must mean that you believe that Biden is *not* polling badly. Correct?
And if the non-Fox news-sphere isn't saying anything about Biden's polling, how does that differ from what you believe?
If Fox News says "Biden's polling badly," but you don't believe them, then that must mean that you believe that Biden is *not* polling badl Correct?They are saying stuff.
And if the non-Fox news-sphere isn't saying anything about Biden's polling, how does that differ from what you believe?
The latest CNN poll says he's got 42% approval and 55% disapproval.
MSNBC says "his ratings are terrible."
I don't believe it, and I don't think there's any reason at all for leftists to be unhappy with Joe. He's a hardcore leftist and he's
already proven his loyalty to the George Soros community. What more do they want from him?
In the case of the latter, I am not sure they painted it as good or bad. They just showed it. In the case of the former, it was older footage and I also don't remember them painting it either way.
Way back, I posted a link to several lies he told about his education and
his life story (plagerized from a British politician almost word for word) that rendered a previous Presidential attempt back in the 1980's null and void. The link was news footage which was interesting because it actually showed how the network news people used to deliver the news without any spin.
It was current topic at the time I posted it, too, as he had repeated part of the education lie more recently.
I will have to find that again.
Biden just isn't the spectacle that Trump was/is. Every once in a while he makes a gaffe or falls off of his bicycle or something, but he's not say, doing his own press conferences filled with outrageous lies and exaggerations.
Being able to reconsider one's statements when presented with evidence to
the contrary is a sign of intelligence and maturity. Doubling down on one's lies is the opposite of being able to reconsider one's statements when presented with evidence to the contrary. Trump is the King of Doubling Down.
See the difference?
Yep.
They are saying stuff.
The latest CNN poll says he's got 42% approval and 55% disapproval. MSNBC says
"his ratings are terrible."
I don't believe it, and I don't think there's any reason at all for leftists to be unhappy with Joe. He's a hardcore leftist and he's already proven his loyalty to the George Soros community. What more do they want from him?
Being able to reconsider one's statements when presented with evidence t the contrary is a sign of intelligence and maturity. Doubling down on on lies is the opposite of being able to reconsider one's statements when presented with evidence to the contrary. Trump is the King of Doubling DWhat is it when you lie about your educational background, get called out on it by the press, and are forced to suspend a run for President over
See the difference?Yep.
it, then, years later, when you are running for President again, you repeat the same lie?
It sure isn't "reconsider(ing) one's statements when presented with evidence to the contrary," or "intelligent," or "mature." I am pretty sure it is called lying and, since he's done it at least twice, I'd call that doubling down.
But I am pretty sure I will be told otherwise.
P.S. It could actually be "intelligent" if he knows that the electorate and the press have both been dumbed down over the years.
The latest CNN poll says he's got 42% approval and 55% disapproval. MSNBC says "his ratings are terrible."
Then why are you complaining that the media won't criticize Biden?
He's a ho-hum president. Not bad, but not great. He's not a hardcore leftist by any means. And what is the "George Soros community?"
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So when Biden steals someone else's life story and tries to make it his own, or tells a fib about his education, it is a "gaffe," but when
Trump makes false claims, it is a "lie" and not just any lie, but an "outrageous" one.
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They're not criticizing him, they're praising him. But at the same
time, they're saying "he's got low ratings." Something is suspicious
about that.
He transformed our immigration system into one that discourages legal migration, encourages illegal migration, and revives human smuggling
and border deaths.
sending multiple multi-billion dollar donations to Ukraine. So now the only logical explanation is that Joe colluded with Russia to start this war, only so he could later funnel some of that donation money back to himself.
The "George Soros community" is the American leftist community.
Everyone who voted for Biden is a member of it.
Biden made inaccurate statements about his education in 1987. After bein called out on it, he admitted the inaccuracies and released his transcri as proof.That is not reconsidering statements when presented with evidence to the contrary, that is getting caught lying and having to walk it back.
But he never repeated it. The Trump campaign dug up the old footage of B being called out on his innacuracies in 2020, adding a claim that "Joe B has been lying about his personal life for decades," but there is no pro that Biden has ever misrepresented his education after 1987.He repeated part of the education lie later than that, during a talk
about HBCUs during the lead up to the 2020 election.
It sure isn't "reconsider(ing) one's statements when presented with evidence to the contrary," or "intelligent," or "mature." I am pre sure it is called lying and, since he's done it at least twice, I'd that doubling down.
He reconsidered his statements when presented with evidence to the contr shared that evidence with the public, and has not made the same mistake since.Evidence to the contrary in this case means he got caught. It was a lie about his own education. How could he not know what his educational background was? How could he not know that the story he told as part of his life story was not his?
If he was telling stories about someone else, you might be able to use
the "presented with evidence to the contrary" line, but these were lies
he told about HIS OWN LIFE.
That is like me claiming to be doctor, being told I am not, and then claiming that I have been "presented with evidence" that I am not a
doctor so it was not a lie.
The only way that is not a lie is if I have dementia or some other mental problem and have lost track of reality.
Biden made inaccurate statements about his education in 1987. After being called out on it, he admitted the inaccuracies and released his transcripts as proof.
But he never repeated it. The Trump campaign dug up the old footage of Biden being called out on his innacuracies in 2020, adding a claim that "Joe Biden has been lying about his personal life for decades," but there is no proof that Biden has ever misrepresented his education after 1987.
It sure isn't "reconsider(ing) one's statements when presented with evidence to the contrary," or "intelligent," or "mature." I am pretty sure it is called lying and, since he's done it at least twice, I'd call that doubling down.
He reconsidered his statements when presented with evidence to the contrary, shared that evidence with the public, and has not made the same mistake since.
So when Biden steals someone else's life story and tries to make it his own, or tells a fib about his education, it is a "gaffe," but when
Trump makes false claims, it is a "lie" and not just any lie, but an "outrageous" one.
The Ignorant Elitists always are "Rules for thee, but not for me."
The latest CNN poll says he's got 42% approval and 55% disapproval. MSNBC says "his ratings are terrible."
Then why are you complaining that the media won't criticize Biden?
They're not criticizing him, they're praising him. But at the same time, they're saying "he's got low ratings." Something is suspicious about that.
And if the non-Fox news-sphere isn't saying anything about Biden's
polling, how does that differ from what you believe?
They are saying stuff.
The latest CNN poll says he's got 42% approval and 55% disapproval. MSNBC says "his ratings are terrible."
I don't believe it, and I don't think there's any reason at all for leftists
to be unhappy with Joe.
He's a hardcore leftist and he's already proven his loyalty to the George Soros community.
What more do they want from him?
That is like me claiming to be doctor, being told I am not, and then claiming that I have been "presented with evidence" that I am not a doctor so it was not a lie.
The only way that is not a lie is if I have dementia or some other mental problem and have lost track of reality.
Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-
The Ignorant Elitists always are "Rules for thee, but not for me."
When it comes to politicians, that is certainly the case here.
That is like me claiming to be doctor, being told I am not, and then claiming that I have been "presented with
evidence" that I am not a doctor so it was not a lie.
The only way that is not a lie is if I have dementia or some other mental problem and have lost track of reality.
Dr. Oz is not a real medical doctor, even though he pretends to
be one. Does that mean he should be elected to the US Senate?
You can keep posting those links all you want. I have seen the 1980's video, with younger Joe, and a later video where he is obviously aged several years, and he lies about his education in both.He repeated part of the education lie later than that, during a tal about HBCUs during the lead up to the 2020 election.No, he didn't. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-joe-biden-delaware-state-un heck-joe-biden-did-not-say-he-attended-delaware-state-university-idUSKBN (https://tinyurl.com/2j9vtzrn)
So, you think he believed he graduated near the top of his class when he really graduated near the bottom? It is much more likely he made up the "near the top" lie, got caught, and had to admit it.He was mistaken about certain details, but did not claim that he had any education that he didn't.He reconsidered his statements when presented with evidence to th contEvidence to the contrary in this case means he got caught. It was about his own education. How could he not know what his educationa background was? How could he not know that the story he told as pa his life story was not his?
shared that evidence with the public, and has not made the same mistake
since.
Oh, wait, had to "reconsider when presented with evidence to the
contrary" (that proved he was lying).
Details that he stole from someone else's life story (which I also question above)? That is more than "he was mistaken." That is either fabrication or dementia.If he was telling stories about someone else, you might be able to the "presented with evidence to the contrary" line, but these were he told about HIS OWN LIFE.He admitted that he was mistaken on some of the details.
That would still be a lie, either way.That is like me claiming to be doctor, being told I am not, and the claiming that I have been "presented with evidence" that I am not a doctor so it was not a lie.No, it's more like you claiming to be a doctor who graduated at the top your class, when you're a doctor who didn't actually graduate at the top your class. You're still a doctor.
If you don't remember if you graduated at the top of your class, claiming you did is much more likely to be an untruth than not mentioning it at all.The only way that is not a lie is if I have dementia or some other mentalOur memories are far from perfect.
problem and have lost track of reality.
Biden and Trump are both people who like to mention things that are wrong that they probably didn't need to bring up at all.
claiming that I have been "presented withThat is like me claiming to be doctor, being told I am not, and then
evidence" that I am not a doctor so it was not a lie.
mental problem and have lost track of reality.The only way that is not a lie is if I have dementia or some other
Dr. Oz is not a real medical doctor, even though he pretends to
be one. Does that mean he should be elected to the US Senate?
how do you come at that... he has a medical license as a board certified cardiothoracic surgeon LOL
https://www.distractify.com/p/dr-oz-what-kind-of-dr
that would be like saying that "bill nye the science guy" has a science degree (which he doesnt lol).
He repeated part of the education lie later than that, during a talk about HBCUs during the lead up to the 2020 election.
No, he didn't.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-joe-biden-delaware-state-un/fact-
heck-joe-biden-did-not-say-he-attended-delaware-state-university-idUSKBN26L2RD
(https://tinyurl.com/2j9vtzrn)
He reconsidered his statements when presented with evidence to the contEvidence to the contrary in this case means he got caught. It was a lie about his own education. How could he not know what his educational background was? How could he not know that the story he told as part of his life story was not his?
shared that evidence with the public, and has not made the same mistake
since.
He was mistaken about certain details, but did not claim that he had any education that he didn't.
If he was telling stories about someone else, you might be able to use the "presented with evidence to the contrary" line, but these were lies he told about HIS OWN LIFE.
He admitted that he was mistaken on some of the details.
That is like me claiming to be doctor, being told I am not, and then claiming that I have been "presented with evidence" that I am not a doctor so it was not a lie.
No, it's more like you claiming to be a doctor who graduated at the top of your class, when you're a doctor who didn't actually graduate at the top of your class. You're still a doctor.
The only way that is not a lie is if I have dementia or some other mental
problem and have lost track of reality.
Our memories are far from perfect.
It seems to be the case for all the Ignorant Elitists since their hypocrisy seems to be infinite.
"No one needs to fly anywhere!" was the lastest clip that I saw, and the perso
who said it had just been braging about her trip to Fiji - and how she flew there.
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[..]
That is like me claiming to be doctor, being told I am not, and then claiming that I have been "presented with evidence" that I am not a doctor so it was not a lie.
The only way that is not a lie is if I have dementia or some other mental problem and have lost track of reality.
Dr. Oz is not a real medical doctor, even though he pretends to
be one. Does that mean he should be elected to the US Senate?
Hello Charles,retired or not, he still has a medical license... and is legally able to practice medicine, ERGO he is a doctor.
Dr. Oz is not a real medical doctor, even though he pretends to
be one. Does that mean he should be elected to the US Senate?
how do you come at that... he has a medical license as a board certified cardiothoracic surgeon LOL
He does have a medical license. Unless it has been revoked.
He is a certified cardiothoracic surgeon, but retired, his last
patients being in 2015. What does he push? Science-free medicine.
Which might explain why Columbia Univeristy cut its ties with
him years ago (but just got around to saying so).
https://www.distractify.com/p/dr-oz-what-kind-of-drOh, relax. Oprah Winfrey still likes him. Maybe the two of them
that would be like saying that "bill nye the science guy" has a science degree (which he doesnt lol).
can get together and experiment with some science-free medicine.
Dr. Oz is not a real medical doctor, even though he pretends to
be one. Does that mean he should be elected to the US Senate?
He now holds the title "professor emeritus" and does not see patients.
Lee Lofaso wrote to Thumper <=-
Hello Thumper,
Dr. Oz is not a real medical doctor, even though he pretends to
be one. Does that mean he should be elected to the US Senate?
[..]
He now holds the title "professor emeritus" and does not see patients.
Columbia University ditched him years ago, publicly saying so
in January of this year. The last patients he has seen was way
back in 2015, when he found an easier way to make money thanks
to Oprah Winfrey.
Like I said, Dr. Oz is not a real medical doctor, even though he
pretends to be one.
He is noted only as "professor emeritus of surgery", his name is no
longer appearing in website searches for doctors with the school's
Irving Medical Center. Can't be listed unless one is a real doctor.
Lee Lofaso wrote to Thumper <=-
Hello Thumper,
Dr. Oz is not a real medical doctor, even though he pretends to
be one. Does that mean he should be elected to the US Senate?
Gregory Deyss wrote to Thumper <=-
On 05 Oct 2022, Thumper said the following...
Lee Lofaso wrote to Thumper <=-
Hello Thumper,
Dr. Oz is not a real medical doctor, even though he pretends to
be one. Does that mean he should be elected to the US Senate?
Of course Dr. Oz is a real doctor. A simple search on the Internet rendered this finding.
Yes. He is an actual licensed physician. Oz has been a professor at the Department of Surgery at Columbia University since 2001. He has
directed the Cardiovascular Institute and Complementary Medicine
Program at New York-Presbyterian Hospital in the past.
I think what is happening is that some people don't like him because he does not fit into the liberal-democratic narrative. So they make up
stuff about him.
Stating incorrect things to score points to make new liberal friends
does not make you look smart, it makes look the latter. Stupid Toad.
Dr. Oz is not a real medical doctor, even though he pretends to
be one. Does that mean he should be elected to the US Senate?
Of course Dr. Oz is a real doctor. A simple search on the Internet rendered
this finding.
Yes. He is an actual licensed physician.
Oz has been a professor at the Department of Surgery at Columbia University
since 2001.
He has directed the Cardiovascular Institute and Complementary Medicine Program at New York-Presbyterian Hospital in the past.
I think what is happening is that some people don't like him because he does
not fit into the liberal-democratic narrative. So they make up stuff about him.
Stating incorrect things to score points to make new liberal friends does not make you look smart, it makes look the latter. Stupid Toad.
He is noted only as "professor emeritus of surgery", his name is no
longer appearing in website searches for doctors with the school's
Irving Medical Center. Can't be listed unless one is a real doctor.
I always figured he was not a real one also. That just happened to be something I found when researching....
Huh!? I never said he wasn't a real Doctor. I never knew until researching it
online and had posted that..... BTW - Not a Liberal at all.
Huh!? I never said he wasn't a real Doctor. I never knew until researchingit
online and had posted that..... BTW - Not a Liberal at all.
I did not think so.
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Huh!? I never said he wasn't a real Doctor. I never knew untilAlright, I must of missed that, but I would take with a grain of salt
researching it online and had posted that..... BTW - Not a Liberal at
all.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Thumper <=-
Yes. He is an actual licensed physician.
Oz has been a professor at the
Department of Surgery at Columbia University since 2001. He has
directed the Cardiovascular Institute and Complementary Medicine
Program at New York-Presbyterian Hospital in the past.
I think what is happening is that some people don't like him because he does not fit into the liberal-democratic narrative. So they make up
stuff about him.
Yes. He is an actual licensed physician. Oz has been a professor at the Department of Surgery at Columbia University since 2001. He has directed
Leftists *hate* actual licensed physicians. That's why they're forcing them to inject Fauci's special sauce. The feeling is probably mutual.
Actually, I would argue that rightists hate actual licensed physicians because licensing is a form of government regulation which interferes
with the free market. That could be why they'd rather eat horse paste
than receive a vaccine made by actual doctors.
Vaccines? You mean like the one that Biden had and all the boosters to boot and the man still came down with Covid-19 three times since then.
No Thanks I will pass. I had covid-19 and it was bad, but I recovered
and I feel better then ever before.
That might have something to do with my vegan style, carb the f*ck up.
Vaccines? You mean like the one that Biden had and all the boosters to boot and the man still came down with Covid-19 three times since then.
Leftists *hate* actual licensed physicians. That's why they're forcin them to inject Fauci's special sauce. The feeling is probably mutual.
Actually, I would argue that rightists hate actual licensed physicians because licensing is a form of government regulation which interferes
with the free market. That could be why they'd rather eat horse paste
than receive a vaccine made by actual doctors.
No Thanks I will pass. I had covid-19 and it was bad, but I recovered and I feel better then ever before.
That might have something to do with my vegan style, carb the f*ck up
It's also true that although Biden came down with COVID-19 multiple
times, his symptoms were not severe and he did not need to be hospitalized, despite his age.
It's fun to imagine stuff in a complicated way, but it's not complicated to think that health professionals who were forced to vaccinate won'tLeftists *hate* actual licensed physicians. That's why they're f them to inject Fauci's special sauce. The feeling is probably muActually, I would argue that rightists hate actual licensed physician because licensing is a form of government regulation which interferes with the free market. That could be why they'd rather eat horse paste than receive a vaccine made by actual doctors.
vote Democrat no more.
You act like you know the guy. Did you see his symptoms? Do you have any proof that Biden actually had covid, other than his press secretaryNo Thanks I will pass. I had covid-19 and it was bad, but I reco and I feel better then ever before.It's also true that although Biden came down with COVID-19 multiple times, his symptoms were not severe and he did not need to be hospitalized, despite his age.
That might have something to do with my vegan style, carb the f*
saying so?
By him saying that he had covid, that gives guys like you a narrative to parrot "Biden's old and he beat covid because he's vaccinated." That's a lot of unverifiable crap to believe in bulk.
Leftists *hate* actual licensed physicians. That's why they're forcing
them to inject Fauci's special sauce. The feeling is probably mutual.
Actually, I would argue that rightists hate actual licensed physicians because licensing is a form of government regulation which interferes with the free market. That could be why they'd rather eat horse paste than receive
a vaccine made by actual doctors.
If, instead of COVID-19, we were talking about Ebola, I'm pretty sure
that conservatives would be just fine with everyone getting vaccinated.
Gee. And I thought all MAGA Republicans loved Dr. Howard Dean.Leftists *hate* actual licensed physicians. That's why they're forciActually, I would argue that rightists hate actual licensed physician because licensing is a form of government regulation which interferes the free market. That could be why they'd rather eat horse paste than receive
them to inject Fauci's special sauce. The feeling is probably mutual
a vaccine made by actual doctors.
If, instead of COVID-19, we were talking about Ebola, I'm pretty sure that conservatives would be just fine with everyone getting vaccinateNo said ever has said that Covid-19 wasn't real, it is.
Even in the beginning when we knew very little about this, and the Trump Administration was in a huddle formation trying to create a strategy of defense.
This was not Donald Trumps fault due to the fact that this was
created by the Chinese. The wanted Biden and they got Biden. Simple.
How and how can be a another topic.
For those who want to blame Trump, I would very careful.
It was your President that said the following.
Joe Biden said " Anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as President of the United States of America." More of died under Biden, this can be verified btw.
I would think that nearly everyone of us have had our MMR vaccines when
we were small children, which would be why most of us today are free
from these diseases.
This covid-19 vaccine is not a vaccine at all, if it was truly then
there would be no need for a second or third shot, to say nothing about all of these boosters.
Fine the hell out of China until they reverse
what they created.
If Trump was soft on China as other U.S. Politicians
have been and for years. I believe covid-19 would of never of been created, but they did and this is nothing short of biological warfare
that was directed and hosted by President Xi of the China.
On 08 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...Why is that debatable?
That is debatable, to say the least.If, instead of COVID-19, we were talking about Ebola, I'm pretty that conservatives would be just fine with everyone getting vaccNo said ever has said that Covid-19 wasn't real, it is.
And the strategy they decided on, at least early on, was to pretend that it would just go away.Your not of a conservative mindset, so you wouldn't begin to understand.
If, instead of COVID-19, we were talking about Ebola, I'm pretty sure
that conservatives would be just fine with everyone getting vaccinated.
By him saying that he had covid, that gives guys like you a narrative parrot "Biden's old and he beat covid because he's vaccinated." That' lot of unverifiable crap to believe in bulk.
I don't see any evidence that he *didn't* have COVID, other than what you're trying to pull out of thin air.
It's also interesting that you first tried to use Biden's COVID status as proof that vaccines don't work, and are now trying to claim that Biden never had COVID, again as proof that vaccines don't work. If Biden never had COVID, then by your first argument, wouldn't that tend to suggest
that the vaccines work?
what they created. If Trump was soft on China as other U.S. Politicians have been and for years. I believe covid-19 would of never of been created, but they did and this is nothing short of biological warfare
that was directed and hosted by President Xi of the China.
On 10-08-22 00:50, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Chelsea <=-
By him saying that he had covid, that gives guys like you a narrative
to parrot "Biden's old and he beat covid because he's vaccinated."
That's a lot of unverifiable crap to believe in bulk.
Biden and the other top elites want us to think that "it can happen to anyone." But had I ignored the media, I would have been left wondering
"Do elites catch covid?"
Biden and the other smart elites (Obama, Hillary, Bernie, other
scumbags) want us to think that they had covid but survived it due to
them being vaccinated. They want us to think this way so that we get vaccinated too.
But this dumb plan doesn't really work though, because
people like me will assume that they got the real vaccine, and that they want us to go to Walgreens for the detonatable version.
I think that most health professionals would realize the value of a vaccine mandate during a pandemic. I think they'd also realize that it's only political because some politicians from both sides, and the media,
chose to make it so.
You act like you know the guy. Did you see his symptoms? Do you have any proof that Biden actually had covid, other than his press secretary saying so?
I do not know him personally, but what did he stand to gain by lying?
I don't see any evidence that he *didn't* have COVID, other than what you're trying to pull out of thin air.
It's also interesting that you first tried to use Biden's COVID status as proof that vaccines don't work, and are now trying to claim that Biden never had COVID, again as proof that vaccines don't work. If Biden never had COVID, then by your first argument, wouldn't that tend to suggest that the vaccines work?
I think that most health professionals would realize the value of a vacc mandate during a pandemic. I think they'd also realize that it's only political because some politicians from both sides, and the media,Fixed it for you. You're welcome.
chose to make it so.
One of the times they reported he was positive and taking time away from the media, he had just made a series of public gaffes. Getting him outYou act like you know the guy. Did you see his symptoms? Do you hav proof that Biden actually had covid, other than his press secretary saying so?I do not know him personally, but what did he stand to gain by lying?
of the media spotlight for a few days made it more difficult for him to
do so, and gave the ones he'd made a chance to get out of the news cycle/lose popularity on social "media."
I don't see any evidence that he *didn't* have COVID, other than what yo trying to pull out of thin air.What Aaron is insinuating, unless I have guessed wrong, was also speculated about in the media during the period I described above. I don't necessarily believe he didn't have it, either, as he is old and he is out mingling with all sorts of people a lot.
Some of the skepticism might come from the fact that he is old and that
he recovered so quickly. I am sure we all know older persons who were also vaccinated and who also got it who were not so lucky.
It's also interesting that you first tried to use Biden's COVID status a proof that vaccines don't work, and are now trying to claim that Biden n had COVID, again as proof that vaccines don't work. If Biden never had C then by your first argument, wouldn't that tend to suggest that the vacc work?I would think so but, if we are taking government officials on their word even if we are not sure they are being truthful, he had it at least twice and he is fully vaccinated.
By him saying that he had covid, that gives guys like you a narrative to parrot "Biden's old and he beat covid because he's vaccinated." That's a lot of unverifiable crap to believe in bulk.
How about -- I had Covid recently. I am older than Biden, but because I am twice vaccinated and twice boosted I had only mild symptoms -- like Biden had. Believe it!
I would think so but, if we are taking government officials on their word even if we are not sure they are being truthful, he had it at least twice and he is fully vaccinated.
Biden and the other smart elites (Obama, Hillary, Bernie, other scumbags) want us to think that they had covid but survived it due to them being vaccinated. They want us to think this way so that we get vaccinated too.
I see. But wouldn't them *not* catching it be even more persuasive?
But this dumb plan doesn't really work though, because
people like me will assume that they got the real vaccine, and that t want us to go to Walgreens for the detonatable version.
This "dumb plan" doesn't really work because you made it up with no evidence whatsoever.
Yes, that would have been the way to go had Joe been telling the truth when he said "If you take the vaccine you won't get covid." But sinceBiden and the other smart elites (Obama, Hillary, Bernie, other scumbags) want us to think that they had covid but survived it d them being vaccinated. They want us to think this way so that we vaccinated too.I see. But wouldn't them *not* catching it be even more persuasive?
that was obviously just a Joe gaffe, the narrative needed to be
corrected.
Just think about it this way: Democrats lie to make themselves look good. Telling everyone you had covid doesn't sound like a success story, so why would Democrats willingly broadcast it to the world? There's an agenda behind it.But this dumb plan doesn't really work though, becauseThis "dumb plan" doesn't really work because you made it up with no evidence whatsoever.
people like me will assume that they got the real vaccine, and t want us to go to Walgreens for the detonatable version.
On 10-09-22 15:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Chelsea <=-
By him saying that he had covid, that gives guys
like you a narrative
to parrot "Biden's old and he beat covid because he's vaccinated."
That's a lot of unverifiable crap to believe in bulk.
How about -- I had Covid recently. I am older than Biden, but because I am twice vaccinated and twice boosted I had only mild symptoms -- like Biden had. Believe it!
Ok, but I'm sure that you don't go around telling your medical history
to everyone you meet. These top elite Democrats (Biden, Clinton, Obama) are doing just that. Is it anyone's business? Why don't they tell us
about their other medical problems while they're at it?
Trump lies. A lot. Does that make Trump a Democrat?
Trump lies. A lot. Does that make Trump a Democrat?IIRC, he used to be one, back when he and the Clintons were still pals.
Telling everyone you had covid doesn't sound like a success story, so would Democrats willingly broadcast it to the world? There's an agend behind it.
Unless one really did have COVID and Democrats are telling the truth. But that couldn't be, could it, because Democrats always have to end up
being the bad guys, right?
Trump lies. A lot. Does that make Trump a Democrat?
Ok, but I'm sure that you don't go around telling your medical histor to everyone you meet. These top elite Democrats (Biden, Clinton, Obam are doing just that. Is it anyone's business? Why don't they tell us about their other medical problems while they're at it?
It is publicized because they are public figures. It is hard to ignore the fact that the USA President is in quarantine.
Yes! You're catching on. Democrats are totally the bad guys (and gals.)Telling everyone you had covid doesn't sound like a success stor would Democrats willingly broadcast it to the world? There's an behind it.Unless one really did have COVID and Democrats are telling the truth. that couldn't be, could it, because Democrats always have to end up being the bad guys, right?
Trump lies. A lot. Does that make Trump a Democrat?Kinda! He might be a RINO. I think the whole RNC are RINOs. If he runs again, having not fixed the issue that caused his loss in 2020, then he
is insane.
Trump lies. A lot. Does that make Trump a Democrat?
Kinda! He might be a RINO. I think the whole RNC are RINOs. If AT>he runsagain, having not fixed the issue that caused his loss in AT>2020, then he is insane.
Trump ran as a Republican. Twice.
He was selected as the Republican candidate, twice, by Republicans.
By calling him a RINO, you're invoking the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
On 10-11-22 02:49, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Chelsea <=-
It is publicized because they are public figures. It is hard to ignore the fact that the USA President is in quarantine.
Millions of Americans are capable of protecting themselves from covid infection, so why can't the elites be at least that smart also?
Millions of Americans are capable of protecting themselves from covid infection, so why can't the elites be at least that smart also?
Not being smart is avoiding vaccination and boosters when available.
Being smart is getting all vaccinations and boosters so that even if
the new variant breaks through your immune system, you will only have a mild case and not end up in the hospital, or ventilated, or dead.
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