• Forget the USA

    From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to All on Sunday, December 20, 2020 22:15:24
    We've got people visiting Fido from countries outside the USA. I can say for sure there are people from Canada, Spain, and the UK.

    What's going on politically in other countries? The USA gets annoying to
    listen to for too long. All day today, and probably tomorrow too, all we
    hear about is "Will Americans get another $600 bucks from the federal government because of the coronavirus?"

    While most people would never reject free money, let me be the first to say that this is stupid. It will cost them $900 billion dollars. For no real reason. I'll admit that I was not affected financially due to covid, but I stand to gain $600 "because of covid."

    They should spend $900 billion on securing our borders instead. Or, spend it on our military, or our disabled, or our children's education. There are a billion things better that they can spend $900 billion on.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, December 20, 2020 20:23:04
    Re: Forget the USA
    By: Aaron Thomas to All on Sun Dec 20 2020 10:15 pm

    What's going on politically in other countries? The USA gets annoying to listen to for too long. All day today, and probably tomorrow too, all we hear about is "Will Americans get another $600 bucks from the federal government because of the coronavirus?"

    We have program here that might be similar but not the same. You have to apply for assistance and I am not going to since the pandemic has not hurt my finances any, not yet anyway.

    While most people would never reject free money, let me be the first to say that this is stupid. It will cost them $900 billion dollars. For no real reason. I'll admit that I was not affected financially due to covid, but I stand to gain $600 "because of covid."

    It's great that your government has stepped up for the people who are suffering because of the pandemic. I bet that includes a large number of people. It would be good if they can target that $$$ to where it is needed the most.

    They should spend $900 billion on securing our borders instead. Or, spend it on our military, or our disabled, or our children's education. There are a billion things better that they can spend $900 billion on.

    Yes, all the problems we had before the pandemic are still with us and when the pendemic is over we can get back to all that, and getting our countries economies back up and running.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, December 21, 2020 16:16:00
    What's going on politically in other countries? The USA gets annoying to listen to for too long.

    You might have trouble getting some of them to talk about what goes on in
    their countries. It ruins their credibility when they poke fun at us if we know that their country has troubles, too.

    They should spend $900 billion on securing our borders instead. Or, spend it on our military, or our disabled, or our children's education. There are a billion things better that they can spend $900 billion on.

    The first three are ok. They keep throwing more money at education and the kids keep getting dumber. There was a study about my state not too long
    ago. The largest county, which also has some of the lowest scores in the state, wanted a big school tax increase. The study showed that this county spent much, much more, per student, than another neighbor county whose kids
    are some of the highest scorers in the state.

    Overall, the highest spenders seemed to be the lower-scoring districts.

    IMHO, if they spent the money on teaching them things like math, actual science, and basic life skills, instead of feelings and social justice, the kids would be a lot better off. Give them more money and they will just
    throw it at something that doesn't teach the kid how to do anything useful.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Monday, December 21, 2020 15:16:09
    We have program here that might be similar but not the same. You have to ap for assistance and I am not going to since the pandemic has not hurt my

    That's great that they have a program there too. It's smart how they make people apply instead of just handing it all out to everyone. Jim Carey & Mike Myers surely don't need it.

    the pendemic is over we can get back to all that, and getting our countries economies back up and running.

    Sounds good to me!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Mike Powell on Monday, December 21, 2020 21:08:17
    The first three are ok. They keep throwing more money at education and the kids keep getting dumber. There was a study about my state not too long ago. The largest county, which also has some of the lowest scores in the

    So would you agree that this stimulus is a big waste of money? I think partly, Trump will sign it because he's a good guy, and all the career politicians in congress are for it because it gives them a better future in their campaigns.

    They are sucking up to voters, but this voter is paying attention to their motives. I'd be interested to see which puppets voted which way.

    IMHO, if they spent the money on teaching them things like math, actual science, and basic life skills, instead of feelings and social justice, the

    Yes. It should be business as usual by this point. Perhaps the feds could pay for the funerals of all the covid victims - instead of paying guys like me to drink more beer.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 00:23:00
    On 12-20-20 22:15, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to All about Forget the USA <=-

    While most people would never reject free money, let me be the first
    to say that this is stupid. It will cost them $900 billion dollars.
    For no real reason. I'll admit that I was not affected financially due
    to covid, but I stand to gain $600 "because of covid."

    Then perhaps you could donate it to some worth while charity that does
    help those people who are in desparate straights because of Covid. That
    is what a friend of mine did when he got their check.

    They should spend $900 billion on securing our borders instead. Or,

    That is not the immediate pressing concern for those who have been out
    of work for six months plus, nor for those who might have to close their business because they can no longer afford the rent on their place of
    business.

    spend it on our military, or our disabled, or our children's
    education. There are a billion things better that they can spend $900 billion on.

    I disagree. Those things can wait a little while. Relief should not
    wait.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 00:29:02
    On 12-20-20 20:23, Alan Ianson <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Forget the USA <=-

    hear about is "Will Americans get another $600 bucks from the federal government because of the coronavirus?"

    We have program here that might be similar but not the same. You have
    to apply for assistance and I am not going to since the
    pandemic has not hurt my finances any, not yet anyway.

    I agree -- there ought to be a better way to get the money to those who
    are really at need instead of sending it to almost everyone, reguardless
    of whether or not they have been effected by covid.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 00:33:04
    On 12-21-20 15:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Forget the USA <=-

    We have program here that might be similar but not the
    same. You have to ap
    for assistance and I am not going to since the pandemic has not hurt my

    That's great that they have a program there too. It's smart how they
    make people apply instead of just handing it all out to everyone. Jim Carey & Mike Myers surely don't need it.

    The payment will only go to people with a certain maximum gross income.
    I believe that for a single person, the payment tapers down to nothing
    for incomes from $75K to $100K in 2019. For a couple, it is twice that.
    Those are not (or at least were not) low income people. I am not sure
    what happens to people who did not even have enough income to file in
    2019 and so IRS doesn't know who they are. There was a procedure for
    the previous payment for such people to apply.

    I would suggest lowering that income threshold a good bit, and making it
    easy for those who had the higher income vanish because of Covid to
    apply, as well as those who did not file with IRS in 2019.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 02:52:25
    That is not the immediate pressing concern for those who have been out
    of work for six months plus, nor for those who might have to close their

    Now I'm glad Al told us about the Canadian way. They are having people affected by the virus apply for the aid. That sounds a LOT more responsible to me than just giving huge chunks of cash to every single American.

    What if instead of giving 10 guys like me $600 each, who did not even lose income, we give $6000 to 1 in 10 who was out of work for 6 months? That's about enough to cover all the missed rent/mortgage payments.

    But the way it stands, nobody is getting 6 months worth of rent payments out of a $600 check. The people who don't need the money are actually ruining this for the people who do need it. "Where's my coronavirus stimulus?" It's a robbery.

    I know other people who are counting the days till that check arrives and they were not even affected one bit either.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 11:16:00
    So would you agree that this stimulus is a big waste of money? I think partly, >Trump will sign it because he's a good guy, and all the career politicians in >congress are for it because it gives them a better future in their campaigns.

    The democrats split the spending out into a separate vote from the core of
    the stimulus. They were afraid their own members might not pass the
    stimulus if the other things were included. Turned out they did, but that might become a new strategy for them considering that their house majority
    will be tighter than ever.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 21:51:22
    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    I would suggest lowering that income threshold a good bit, and making it easy for those who had the higher income vanish because of Covid to
    apply, as well as those who did not file with IRS in 2019.

    I like the provision that allows a tax credit for buyers of
    "two-wheeled plug-in electric vehicles" (electric motorcycles),
    worth 10% of the cost, up to $2,500.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 21:53:03
    Hello Dale,

    hear about is "Will Americans get another $600 bucks from the federal
    government because of the coronavirus?"

    We have program here that might be similar but not the same. You have
    to apply for assistance and I am not going to since the
    pandemic has not hurt my finances any, not yet anyway.

    I agree -- there ought to be a better way to get the money to those who are really at need instead of sending it to almost everyone, reguardless of whether or not they have been effected by covid.

    Many people have lost their jobs as the businesses they were in
    are no longer in business due to the coronavirus. You are suggesting
    they should get no relief for being affected by the coronavirus?
    That makes no sense. 18 million cases, 320,000+ dead and counting.
    It is going to continue getting worse.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 21:53:34
    Hello Aaron,

    [..]

    Yes. It should be business as usual by this point. Perhaps the feds could pay for the funerals of all the covid victims - instead of paying guys like
    me to drink more beer.

    What we need are public crematoriums. All that would be needed
    are some open spaces, a bit of quikrete concrete to build the
    structures, and a quarter cord of wood to light the funeral pyre.

    Each group could have its own religious ceremonies, and burn the
    corpse in the open air. Since this would be outdoors, there would
    be no need for anybody to wear masks. Should take about two hours
    per body. Then just scoop up the ashes and do as they please.

    Onlookers could drink all the beer they want. And the band could
    play "Light My Fire" as the fire rages ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, December 22, 2020 21:53:48
    Hello Aaron,

    That is not the immediate pressing concern for those who have been out
    of work for six months plus, nor for those who might have to close their

    Now I'm glad Al told us about the Canadian way. They are having people affected by the virus apply for the aid. That sounds a LOT more responsible
    to me than just giving huge chunks of cash to every single American.

    That is how things are done here. Only those who apply for benefits
    receive it. Assuming they are eligible.

    What if instead of giving 10 guys like me $600 each, who did not even lose income, we give $6000 to 1 in 10 who was out of work for 6 months? That's about enough to cover all the missed rent/mortgage payments.

    I like Kamala Harris' idea better. Give every American $2000/month,
    no questions asked. They can spend it any which way they want, no
    strings attached. It is their money to do with as they want.

    I also like Joe Biden's idea. Give every American on social security
    a 20% increase, no questions asked. And also all Americans who are
    retired on disability an additional 5% increase, no questions asked.

    That is how to make America great again. The economy is for the
    person, not the other way around. Donald Trump should have learned
    that lesson by now, but apparently hasn't.

    But the way it stands, nobody is getting 6 months worth of rent payments out
    of a $600 check. The people who don't need the money are actually ruining this for the people who do need it. "Where's my coronavirus stimulus?" It's
    a robbery.

    John D. Rockefeller used to insult people by throwing dimes into
    the street to watch folks scramble for the coins. He thought it was
    funny. The current act by Republicans is no different.

    But hey. Not a problem. Joe Biden will fix it.

    I know other people who are counting the days till that check arrives and they were not even affected one bit either.

    "Your check is in the mail." ~The Government

    How many months will that take to arrive? Two? Three? Forever?

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 00:02:00
    On 12-22-20 02:52, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Forget the USA <=-


    That is not the immediate pressing concern for those who have been out
    of work for six months plus, nor for those who might have to close their

    BTW -- that quote above is about using the money for immigration reform,
    not relief payments.

    Now I'm glad Al told us about the Canadian way. They are having people affected by the virus apply for the aid. That sounds a LOT more responsible to me than just giving huge chunks of cash to every single American.

    What if instead of giving 10 guys like me $600 each, who did not even
    lose income, we give $6000 to 1 in 10 who was out of work for 6 months? That's about enough to cover all the missed rent/mortgage payments.

    If they could figure out how to do that, I would be all for it. As it
    is, the checks will go to individuals who made $75,000 or less last year
    and to couples with income of $150,000 or less last year -- both
    reducing the payment for folks with larger incomes. IMO, that is too
    high a threshold. What it does not take into account is how much money
    did people lose in the past six months. Such info could be obtained via
    an application. The blanket checks without any application or without
    respect to need are a problem in my mind as well.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 00:08:02
    On 12-22-20 21:53, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Forget the USA <=-

    I agree -- there ought to be a better way to get the money to those who are really at need instead of sending it to almost everyone, reguardless of whether or not they have been effected by covid.

    Many people have lost their jobs as the businesses they were in
    are no longer in business due to the coronavirus. You are suggesting
    they should get no relief for being affected by the coronavirus?

    I am suggesting no such thing. Try reading what was written.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 08:09:35
    On 23 Dec 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 12-22-20 21:53, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Forget the USA <=-

    I agree -- there ought to be a better way to get the money to those w are really at need instead of sending it to almost everyone, reguardl of whether or not they have been effected by covid.

    Many people have lost their jobs as the businesses they were in
    are no longer in business due to the coronavirus. You are suggesting they should get no relief for being affected by the coronavirus?

    I am suggesting no such thing. Try reading what was written.

    I am sure that did not say anything of the sort.
    Why is there a ton of pork money in this bill for foreign countries.
    The President will not sign it based on this, he wants the pork cut and the checks to be raised to $2000.00 not $600.00

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 08:24:36
    did people lose in the past six months. Such info could be obtained via
    an application. The blanket checks without any application or without respect to need are a problem in my mind as well.

    But unfortunately even Trump is not thinking the way we are. "Bigger checks" is all he says about the current proposal. Bigger checks for what?

    There were like 5 senators who voted against it, but the other 95% cares more about popularity points than they do about future generations. And Trump is sorta being the same way. I think he's gonna lose even more popularity points by delaying it and letting Biden do the deal, but maybe Biden can get some of the fat trimmed off.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, December 23, 2020 18:44:05
    Hello Dale,

    I agree -- there ought to be a better way to get the money to those who
    are really at need instead of sending it to almost everyone, reguardless
    of whether or not they have been effected by covid.

    Many people have lost their jobs as the businesses they were in
    are no longer in business due to the coronavirus. You are suggesting
    they should get no relief for being affected by the coronavirus?

    I am suggesting no such thing. Try reading what was written.

    Aside from the puny $600 stimulus check, there are quite a few
    tax giveaways in the 5,593-page spending bill - $110 billion in
    tax breaks. Yes, "there ought to be a better wayto get the money
    to those who are really at need". Maybe you should write your
    congresscritter and tell it that.

    These "tax extenders" are the life of the party. Lobbyists get
    to keep billing hours. The members geet campaign money from the
    same people. These ae classic special interest tax breaks that
    are of no benefit to the overall economy in any way.

    Donald J. Trump said he was going to "drain the swamp" when he got
    to Washington DC. And yet he is up to his elbows in alligators.

    A permanent cut in excise taxes for producers of beer, wine
    and distilled spirits. First put into place in 2017 with the
    Republican-led tax package. The Democrats loved it so much
    they co-sponsored the provision to make it permanent in the
    stimulus relief bill.

    Do. Drink up. And enjoy your Christmas.

    --Lee

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, December 25, 2020 23:01:00
    On 12-21-20, AARON THOMAS said to MIKE POWELL:

    The first three are ok. They keep throwing more money at education and
    the MP> kids keep getting dumber. There was a study about my state not AT>too long MP> ago. The largest county, which also has some of the lowest


    scores in the So would you agree that this stimulus is a big waste of AT>money? I think partly,


    The vast majority of it has nothing whatever to do with the pandemic. It is largely a huge give-away to things and places that are nothing but useless pork.


    Trump will sign it because he's a good guy,


    He's damned either way (are you allowed to use the word `damned' in here? I'll probably get another `ding' from the moderator over it!).


    Pelosi sat on it for a while. Then presented one that Trump probably wouldn't sign.


    If he didn't....she can bitch (oh oh! another `bad word'!) that `he didn't
    sign it'!


    But Trump did her one better and upped the personal amount to $2000 per person from a mere $600, and Pelosi jumped right on it.


    But that comes at a cost to her. Probably a lot of the fat will have to get trimmed out of it.


    My guess is Pelosi won't agree to that.


    I think I may have a list of the crapola (Whoops! There I go again!) here somewhere.....back in a flash.....


    Yeah I thought I got something last week on this.....


    Read the list of stuff they earmrked give-a-way money for in this;



    How Congress Can Give Americans $2K Relief Checks and Cut Omnibus Pork to Pay for It


    Rebecca Mansour, John Binder and John Carney
    24 Dec 2020


    President Donald Trump has urged Congress to increase the amount of the direct relief payments to Americans to $2,000 by cutting out the unrelated pork in
    the coronavirus rescue package and government spending bill. Breitbart News
    has calculated how much that increase would cost and what could be cut from
    the 5,593-page omnibus bill to offset it.



    The House and Senate passed the combined $900 billion coronavirus relief package and $1.4 trillion government spending bill on Monday night, but the massive 5,593-page omnibus bill immediately drew criticism for sending
    billions of dollars of aid to foreign countries while only allotting $600 relief checks for Americans.


    Populists on the right and left, led by Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) and Sen.
    Bernie Sanders (I-VT), argued that sending direct coronavirus relief checks to Americans provides the easiest and most equitable way to get funding to where it can have the most impact in helping people get through the pandemic.


    Trump's call to increase direct payments to $2,000 has bridged the partisan divide in Washington, receiving agreement from Hawley and Sanders, as well as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). However, some Republicans have blocked the effort to amend the bill, worrying about the increase in spending for
    Americans despite the billions of dollars of foreign aid included in the bill.


    There is no question that the United States government can afford to pay Americans more. The U.S. has an unerring history of paying its debts, and as a result, it can borrow from the public at extremely low rates. Especially in times of economic stress, investors in the U.S. and around the globe seek out U.S. Treasuries as a safe haven for their cash, which means that the
    pandemic's surge around the globe has made it easier for the government to raise funds by selling bonds to willing buyers. The world wants to fund our government, which is why the yield on the 10-year Treasury is less than one percent.


    Even though we could easily fund the higher payments by selling Treasuries, there will be some who worry that the government is spending too much. Fortunately, there is another source of funds available. Namely, there are hundreds of billions of dollars of spending in the bill Trump is threatening
    to reject that would go to unnecessary projects or programs that can easily wait until after the current crisis has passed.


    So how much would it cost? The last round of $1,200 payments to adults and
    $400 to children cost approximately $218 billion. Raising the payments to adults to $2,000 and keeping all other things equal would increase the cost to around $349 billion. The lower amount in the current bill will cost around
    $166 billion, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. So that leaves a funding hole of around $183 billion.


    To offset this $183 billion increase, we have identified the following potential cuts from the omnibus bill. In multiple sources of funding, as noted below, lawmakers allotted money well over what Trump had requested. These
    funds are labeled as "excess funding."

    ¯
    (We are in the middle of a desease and financial crisis and the following is a list of the crap (holy moderator-warnings! there I go again!) the democrats
    and Rinos want to pour our money into!....Tim R.)


    $8 billion for the Overseas Contingency Operations/Global War on Terrorism


    $1.7 billion for USAID operations abroad


    $26.5 billion for "Bilateral Economic Assistance"¯ abroad


    $3.3 billion for "Global Health Programs"¯


    $4.4 billion for "International Disaster Assistance"¯


    $3.4 billion for "Refugee Assistance"¯
    (Are they serious? We already give `refugee (AKA: Illegal aliens!) tons of money and health care...education....housing....welfare..... Tim R.)


    $2.4 billion for "democracy programs"¯
    (AKA....`democrat' indoctrination!....Tim R.)


    $1.7 billion for Jordan


    $1.9 billion for "international food aid"¯


    $35 billion in new clean energy initiatives to fight climate change
    (A batch of deomcrat leftie hogwash!...Tim R.)


    $9 billion for "international security assistance"


    $5.9 billion for the "President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR)"¯


    $950 million for "basic education"¯ programs in foreign countries
    (Foreign countries? Try fixing the `education programs' here first! ....Tim
    R.)


    $740.3 million for "educational and cultural exchange"¯ programs in foreign countries
    (Same as above!....Tim R.)


    $1.5 billion for "Contributions to International Organizations"¯


    $224 million tax breaks for motor sports venues
    (How about giving those `tax breaks' to American taxpayers?....Tim R.)


    $16 billion tax credit for businesses that hire individuals facing
    "significant barriers to employment"¯
    (`American', not foreign individuals.....tim r.)


    $1 billion tax credit for "special expensing rules for entertainment productions"
    (This is a joke! Give `tax credits' to entertainment people who spend their spare time on news shows vilifying republicans and Trump? ....Tim R.)


    $13 billion tax breaks for clean energy initiatives
    (Another useless expenditure!...Tim R.)


    $9 billion in tax credits for beer, wine, and distilled spirits producers (What!? How about giving those `tax credits to the people who buy those products? ...Tim R.)


    $2 billion "to enable better scientific information about the Earth and its changing climate"¯
    (Another joke!....Tim R.)


    $16.2 billion in excess funding for transportation, housing, and urban development


    $19.2 billion in excess funding for the Department of Labor, Department of Education, and Health and Human Services
    (They already get far too much as it is with no actual return!...Tim R.)


    $6.9 billion in excess funding for energy and water development


    $12.3 billion in excess funding for the Federal Emergency Management Agency


    TOTAL CUTS: $203,814,000,000


    The question remains: Will Congress step up to help Americans?








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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, December 26, 2020 14:00:46
    The question remains: Will Congress step up to help Americans?

    The 'squad' members were in on the scam at first, but now they're forgoing the fraud in favor of keeping their jobs and their popularity points.

    Who could argue with Trump's position on this crap? Not even Ilhan Omar!

    I like what Al said about 'residents can apply for help' in Canada. Why doesn't Canada send millions to Pakistan for a "gender program" in wake of the coronavirus? Could it be that they see something insanely ridiculous about that?

    I heard stories about Americans losing their jobs due to the virus. I believe it, but they should prove it, and they should be the ones getting checks. Guys like me who are suffering from "mask rash" shouldn't get jack, and shouldn't cry about it either.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:28:00
    I like what Al said about 'residents can apply for help' in Canada. Why >doesn't Canada send millions to Pakistan for a "gender program" in wake of the >coronavirus? Could it be that they see something insanely ridiculous about >that?

    Are you certain that they are not sending ridiculous aid to foreign
    countries, too? After all, they were playing war games with red Chinese
    troops on their own Canadian soil.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Mike Powell on Sunday, December 27, 2020 18:43:11
    Are you certain that they are not sending ridiculous aid to foreign countries, too? After all, they were playing war games with red Chinese troops on their own Canadian soil.

    Canada is offering $500 per week, for up to 2 weeks, for qualifying applicants who can prove that they were affected financially. That's pretty stingy compared to Nancy Pelosi's $600 for every bum on the streets.

    They're liberal, but I don't think they have the corruption that we've got here. They keep it real with their taxpayers.

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