Hello Everybody,

Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday dear Mr. President,
Happy Birthday to you!

And many more ...

Barack Hussein Obama, 59 years young, he *still* da one!

Yippee!

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Barack Hussein Obama, 59 years young, he *still* da one!

Yep. He's the one who made healthcare insurance mandatory for everybody who
can pay and healthcare itself unaffordable to said people.

Thanks, obama.

> Anton Mikhaylov AKA twix <

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Hello Anton,

Barack Hussein Obama, 59 years young, he *still* da one!

Yep. He's the one who made healthcare insurance mandatory for everybody who
can pay and healthcare itself unaffordable to said people.

Meanwhile, us taxpayers pay for those who cannot afford to pay.
So why pay at all for what is the most basic of all human rights?
The right to access for quality healthcare is for all, not just
for some.

Thanks, obama.

Biden will take care of unfinished business, making everything free.
Not just healthcare. And let's not forget about raising penalties for
those who do not pay their taxes.

--Lee

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So why pay at all for what is the most basic of all human rights?

Have you ever thought about it like this?

Imagine:

You're a human who was born on the earth. One day, you need your appendix removed, or you will die. The guy who lives down the street is the only person in the world who can remove an appendix properly. However, he don't take cash; he takes vegetables. If you can grow enough vegetables in time, the vegetables that he wants to eat, then you will live.

While you're struggling to grow these vegetables, your naggy neighbor tells you "He's gotta do your surgery for free because if he don't, then he's a racist."

Are you gonna join your neighbor's political party to demand the free surgery, or are you gonna be polite with the surgeon and try to grow his favorite veggies?

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

So why pay at all for what is the most basic of all human rights?

Have you ever thought about it like this?

Imagine:

You're a human who was born on the earth. One day, you need your
appendix removed, or you will die. The guy who lives down the street is the only person in the world who can remove an appendix properly.
However, he don't take cash; he takes vegetables. If you can grow
enough vegetables in time, the vegetables that he wants to eat, then
you will live.

While you're struggling to grow these vegetables, your naggy neighbor tells you "He's gotta do your surgery for free because if he don't,
then he's a racist."

Are you gonna join your neighbor's political party to demand the free surgery, or are you gonna be polite with the surgeon and try to grow
his favorite veggies?

We have a good public healthcare system in Australia, and it works pretty decently. I don't know why Americans think it is not possible.

Dennis Katsonis
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Yep. He's the one who made healthcare insurance mandatory for everybo who can pay and healthcare itself unaffordable to said people.

Meanwhile, us taxpayers pay for those who cannot afford to pay.
So why pay at all for what is the most basic of all human rights?
The right to access for quality healthcare is for all, not just
for some.

Well, here's a story for you:
I'm a taxpayer. I'm not hiding nor avoiding anything. So I have to pay not
just for myself but for all those who 'cannot afford' to pay too. But the
thing is I cannot affort it either. Healthcare insurance 'premiums' went up from $240/mo to $1300/mo between 2013 and 2018 for my family of three. Copays and deductibles have increased as well. So thanks to obama I had to pay
insane amounts of money and get nothing in return. And that's for the
cheapest insurance which didn't cover shit. $70 copay for an office visit,
$200 for a simple ultrasound, $800 for CAT, no coverage for prescriptions. If
I get sick, insurance will not kick in until I pay at least $7500. What a pile of horseshit!
Prices don't seem to go down after current president cancelled penalties for uninsured, but at least they don't go higher. Thanks obama. My whole family
has no insurance now because we cannot afford it anymore. Thanks obama. And
it became really hard to find a clinic that works with self-paying clients. Thanks obama.

Thanks, obama.

Biden will take care of unfinished business, making everything free.
Not just healthcare. And let's not forget about raising penalties for those who do not pay their taxes.

Nothing is free in this world... but at this point I'm starting to feel that you're just a fat troll. Although I have to admit you're pretty good at it.

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On 07 Aug 20 09:07:30, Anton Mikhaylov said the following to Lee Lofaso:

Nothing is free in this world... but at this point I'm starting to feel tha you're just a fat troll. Although I have to admit you're pretty good at it.

Never credit that idiot with anything, ever...

Nick

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We have a good public healthcare system in Australia, and it works pretty decently. I don't know why Americans think it is not possible.

It's because we would have to extend the offer to the entire world. Could you imagine a single country paying for the entire world's health expenses? Until we fix our border, that's what it would equate to.

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I get sick, insurance will not kick in until I pay at least $7500. What a p of horseshit!

Wow! That plan sounds slightly cheaper than the one I was on. Good thing I never used it! :)

it became really hard to find a clinic that works with self-paying clients. Thanks obama.

You're totally right about that! I had widsom tooth fragments that I needed removed, and they wanted me to bring like $500 with me to put down. When I agreed to come in with the money, they still turned me down. They just don't want someone without insurance - period.

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Nothing is free in this world... but at this point I'm starting AM>to

feel that you're just a fat troll. Although I have to admit AM>you're pretty good at it.

Never credit that idiot with anything, ever...

The best things in life are free.
Such as living inside a Canuck's head, rent free.

--Lee

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Hello Anton,

Yep. He's the one who made healthcare insurance mandatory for

everybo

who can pay and healthcare itself unaffordable to said people.

Meanwhile, us taxpayers pay for those who cannot afford to pay.
So why pay at all for what is the most basic of all human rights?
The right to access for quality healthcare is for all, not just
for some.

Well, here's a story for you:
I'm a taxpayer. I'm not hiding nor avoiding anything. So I have to pay not just for myself but for all those who 'cannot afford' to pay too. But the thing is I cannot affort it either. Healthcare insurance 'premiums' went up
from $240/mo to $1300/mo between 2013 and 2018 for my family of three. Copays
and deductibles have increased as well. So thanks to obama I had to pay insane amounts of money and get nothing in return. And that's for the cheapest insurance which didn't cover shit. $70 copay for an office visit, $200 for a simple ultrasound, $800 for CAT, no coverage for prescriptions. If
I get sick, insurance will not kick in until I pay at least $7500. What a pile of horseshit!

All insurance is scam. That is the way business works. The business
of business is business. Always for a profit, never for a loss.

Prices don't seem to go down after current president cancelled penalties for
uninsured, but at least they don't go higher. Thanks obama. My whole family
has no insurance now because we cannot afford it anymore. Thanks obama. And
it became really hard to find a clinic that works with self-paying clients.
Thanks obama.

You can thank Bernie Sanders for that. He is the one who gave us all
those free clinics.

Thanks, obama.

Biden will take care of unfinished business, making everything free.
Not just healthcare. And let's not forget about raising penalties for
those who do not pay their taxes.

Nothing is free in this world...

What I said is "Everything should be free." Not just for some,
but for all. The very wealthy already have everything for free,
and want even more free stuff. Time for everybody else to get
their own fair share. And we all know what that is.

but at this point I'm starting to feel that you're just a fat troll.

Oh, come now. I'm in great shape. Have pirogue. And paddle. Lots
of alligators around to keep me busy.

Although I have to admit you're pretty good at it.

No need to reload when using a paddle. Just smack `em on top da snout
and watch `em swim away!

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

We have a good public healthcare system in Australia, and it works

pretty

decently. I don't know why Americans think it is not possible.

It's because we would have to extend the offer to the entire world. Could you
imagine a single country paying for the entire world's health expenses? Until
we fix our border, that's what it would equate to.

Who needs borders? Doctors Without Borders certainly don't.
And neither should anybody else.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

I get sick, insurance will not kick in until I pay at least $7500. What

a p

of horseshit!

Wow! That plan sounds slightly cheaper than the one I was on. Good thing I never used it! :)

Everything ought to be free. That is what I have been telling
everybody for years. But nobody wants to believe me.

it became really hard to find a clinic that works with self-paying

clients.

Thanks obama.

You're totally right about that! I had widsom tooth fragments that I needed
removed, and they wanted me to bring like $500 with me to put down. When I agreed to come in with the money, they still turned me down. They just don't
want someone without insurance - period.

"We're signing a health care plan within two weeks, a full and
complete health care plan." ~Donald J. Trump, July 19, 2020

Since then, no plan has been signed or even shown to exist.

--Lee

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On 07 Aug 20 19:43:14, Lee Lofaso said the following to All:

Never credit that idiot with anything, ever...

The best things in life are free.
Such as living inside a Canuck's head, rent free.

This Canuck has a node number.

Nick

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Hello Aaron,

So why pay at all for what is the most basic of all human rights?

Have you ever thought about it like this?

I have thought about it many ways.

Imagine:

You're a human who was born on the earth. One day, you need your appendix removed, or you will die. The guy who lives down the street is the only person in the world who can remove an appendix properly. However, he don't take cash; he takes vegetables. If you can grow enough vegetables in time, the vegetables that he wants to eat, then you will live.

While you're struggling to grow these vegetables, your naggy neighbor tells
you "He's gotta do your surgery for free because if he don't, then he's a racist."

Are you gonna join your neighbor's political party to demand the free surgery, or are you gonna be polite with the surgeon and try to grow his favorite veggies?

Burying the dead is one of the seven works of mercy, part of the
teachings of Jesus, practiced by Christians around the world as a
model for how to treat others. Feeding the hungry, and giving alms
to the poor, are also works of mercy.

The first of all human rights is access to quality health care.
Anybody who denies that right to others is a murderer.

--Lee

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Are you gonna join your neighbor's political party to demand the free surgery, or are you gonna be polite with the surgeon and try to grow h favorite veggies?

The first of all human rights is access to quality health care.
Anybody who denies that right to others is a murderer.

I respect your decision, but if it were me, I'd try to appease the surgeon with whatever veggies he wants. Growing vegetables takes a little work, just like a surgery.

When I hear the words "contribute to society," I think about people doing what they can to help others. But for you it means "just give us all you got and we won't give you anything in return."

Have you considered a hunter/gatherer lifestyle? It kinda works that way. You hunt animals, and take fruits from trees. When you've already eaten all the animals around, and all the berries, then you just wander over to the next town and start again. This way, everything is always free. Pay no attention to the people who are fixing cars, or building houses, those people are just wasting time to acquire stuff they don't really need.

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Hello Dennis,

So why pay at all for what is the most basic of all human rights?

Have you ever thought about it like this?

Imagine:

You're a human who was born on the earth. One day, you need your
appendix removed, or you will die. The guy who lives down the street is
the only person in the world who can remove an appendix properly.
However, he don't take cash; he takes vegetables. If you can grow
enough vegetables in time, the vegetables that he wants to eat, then
you will live.

While you're struggling to grow these vegetables, your naggy neighbor
tells you "He's gotta do your surgery for free because if he don't,
then he's a racist."

Are you gonna join your neighbor's political party to demand the free
surgery, or are you gonna be polite with the surgeon and try to grow
his favorite veggies?

We have a good public healthcare system in Australia, and it works pretty decently. I don't know why Americans think it is not possible.

We have the best medical care in the world in the USA, but only
the very wealthy can afford it.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

Are you gonna join your neighbor's political party to demand the

free

surgery, or are you gonna be polite with the surgeon and try to

grow h

favorite veggies?

The first of all human rights is access to quality health care.
Anybody who denies that right to others is a murderer.

I respect your decision, but if it were me, I'd try to appease the surgeon with whatever veggies he wants. Growing vegetables takes a little work, just like a surgery.

Neville Chamberlain tried that approach with Adolf Hitler.
We all know how well that worked out.

When I hear the words "contribute to society," I think about people doing what they can to help others. But for you it means "just give us all you got and we won't give you anything in return."

That is why FDR put people to work by creating jobs for them to do.
He even created a retirement system folks could rely on for when their
working days were over. What we should do now is expand on what has
been done so far, by lowering the age for social security, making
medicare free for all (regardless of age), and providing access to
quality health care to everyone - including immigrants, children, and
the poorest of the poor. And that's just for starters.

Have you considered a hunter/gatherer lifestyle?

Sure. And such a lifestyle proves my point. Bureaucracy is the best
invention mankind has ever thought up.

It kinda works that way. You hunt animals, and take fruits from trees. When
you've already eaten all the animals around, and all the berries, then you just wander over to the next town and start again. This way, everything is always free.

Libertarians are loners, which is why there are so few of them.

Pay no attention to the people who are fixing cars, or building houses, those people are just wasting time to acquire stuff they don't really need.

Everybody has to eat. In a modern society, that is very difficult
when there is no food around to be caught and/or butchered. And then
there is the problem of finding enough drinkable water, which is
also needed for survival.

Hence the creation/invention of bureaucracy.

Men stayed in the caves to tend to the needs of the young.
Women went out into the fields and brought home the bacon.

--Lee

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working days were over. What we should do now is expand on what has
been done so far, by lowering the age for social security, making
medicare free for all (regardless of age), and providing access to
quality health care to everyone - including immigrants, children, and

Lowering the social security age sounds good to me. People should retire a little earlier.

But medicare for all of the USA? What would we have to give up to free up the money for that? Would the roads still get paved? Would we still have a military?

Immigrants should be able to enjoy all the same stuff that citizens enjoy, but not illegal immigrants.

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Hello Dennis,

So why pay at all for what is the most basic of all human rights?

Have you ever thought about it like this?

Imagine:

You're a human who was born on the earth. One day, you need your
appendix removed, or you will die. The guy who lives down the street is
the only person in the world who can remove an appendix properly.
However, he don't take cash; he takes vegetables. If you can grow
enough vegetables in time, the vegetables that he wants to eat, then
you will live.

While you're struggling to grow these vegetables, your naggy neighbor
tells you "He's gotta do your surgery for free because if he don't,
then he's a racist."

Are you gonna join your neighbor's political party to demand the free
surgery, or are you gonna be polite with the surgeon and try to grow
his favorite veggies?

We have a good public healthcare system in Australia, and it works pretty decently. I don't know why Americans think it is not possible.

We have the best medical care in the world in the USA, but only
the very wealthy can afford it.

Making medical care affordable, and making it free for the world, are two different things, and in some ways, mutually exclusive.



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Yep. He's the one who made healthcare insurance mandatory for everybody wh
can pay and healthcare itself unaffordable to said people.

Meanwhile, us taxpayers pay for those who cannot afford to pay.
So why pay at all for what is the most basic of all human rights?
The right to access for quality healthcare is for all, not just
for some.

US taxpayers are paying for those who cannot afford to pay no matter
whether or not there is "universal health care" or not.

Thanks, obama.

Biden will take care of unfinished business, making everything free.
Not just healthcare. And let's not forget about raising penalties for
those who do not pay their taxes.

But if people need to pay their taxes, then these services are not really "free." In a country where we are all supposed to be equal (pretty sure
you've mentioned that before), who has the right to say that one person
needs to pay more than their fare share so that someone else can get away
with getting it "free"?


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Are you gonna join your neighbor's political party to demand the free surgery,
or are you gonna be polite with the surgeon and try to grow his favorite veggies?

I don't think there is much doubt which way Lee would go.


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Hello Nick,

Never credit that idiot with anything, ever...

The best things in life are free.
Such as living inside a Canuck's head, rent free.

This Canuck has a node number.

You can be free. You can be black. Look at me!
I'm the Heavyweight Troll Champion of Fidonet!

--Lee

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The best things in life are free.
Such as living inside a Canuck's head, rent free.

Lee claims to be "in a Canuck's head."

The Millionaire claims to live in Canada.

So, Lee = The Millionaire??? :D


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We have a good public healthcare system in Australia, and it works pretty >DK> decently. I don't know why Americans think it is not possible.

Making medical care affordable, and making it free for the world, are two different things, and in some ways, mutually exclusive.

Question -- is suing people for malpractice, or lawyers who make a living
doing only that, popular in Australia? Are elective, cosmetic surgeries popular there?

Sorry, that is 2 questions. :)


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Re: Re: Happy Birthday
By: Mike Powell to DENNIS KATSONIS on Sun Aug 09 2020 16:51:00

We have a good public healthcare system in Australia, and it works pretty >DK> decently. I don't know why Americans think it is not possible.

Making medical care affordable, and making it free for the world, are two different things, and in some ways, mutually exclusive.

Question -- is suing people for malpractice, or lawyers who make a living doing only that, popular in Australia? Are elective, cosmetic surgeries popular there?

Sorry, that is 2 questions. :)

To answer your questions as best I can
1) As far as I know, not as much, I'll have to do research. But I suspect the difference wouldn't be massive.

2) Per capita, Australians spend more than the USA on cosmetic surgery. I saw a figure of 40% more per capita. This may be in part due to Australia being heavily urbanised.
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On 09 Aug 20 16:49:00, Mike Powell said the following to Nick Andre:

The Millionaire claims to live in Canada.

So, Lee = The Millionaire??? :D

According to his logic, the government should order him to give his
millions away to everyone.

Nick

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The Millionaire claims to live in Canada.

So, Lee = The Millionaire??? :D

According to his logic, the government should order him to give his
millions away to everyone.

This is true!


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To answer your questions as best I can
1) As far as I know, not as much, I'll have to do research. But I suspect the
difference wouldn't be massive.

Thanks. My assumption has always been that part of the issue in the US is
that people are more likely to sue...

2) Per capita, Australians spend more than the USA on cosmetic surgery. I saw >figure of 40% more per capita. This may be in part due to Australia being heav
ily urbanised.

... and that they are more likely to sue because there is a lot of
cosmetic surgery that does not turn out like the patient expects.

Maybe that is not why.


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Mike Powell wrote to DENNIS KATSONIS <=-

To answer your questions as best I can
1) As far as I know, not as much, I'll have to do research. But I suspect the

difference wouldn't be massive.

Thanks. My assumption has always been that part of the issue in the US
is that people are more likely to sue...

2) Per capita, Australians spend more than the USA on cosmetic surgery. I saw
figure of 40% more per capita. This may be in part due to Australia being heav

ily urbanised.

... and that they are more likely to sue because there is a lot of cosmetic surgery that does not turn out like the patient expects.

Maybe that is not why.

That is predicated on my answer to question 1 being correct, which I'm not 100% sure it is. I'm basing my answer on the fact we don't hear as much about doctors being sued here.

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On 08-08-20, AARON THOMAS said to LEE LOFASO:

Are you gonna join your neighbor's political party to demand the

free LL> AT> surgery, or are you gonna be polite with the surgeon and try AT>to grow h LL> AT> favorite veggies?

The first of all human rights is access to quality health care.
Anybody who denies that right to others is a murderer.

I respect your decision, but if it were me, I'd try to appease the surgeon AT>with whatever veggies he wants. Growing vegetables takes a little work, AT>just like a surgery.

When I hear the words "contribute to society," I think about people doing AT>what they can to help others. But for you it means "just give us all you AT>got and we won't give you anything in return."

Have you considered a hunter/gatherer lifestyle? It kinda works that way. AT>You hunt animals, and take fruits from trees. When you've already eaten AT>all the animals around, and all the berries, then you just wander over to AT>the next town and start again. This way, everything is always free. Pay no AT>attention to the people who are fixing cars, or building houses, those AT>people are just wasting time to acquire stuff they don't really need.

Yeah....like food....housing...their own healthcare....


All the things leftist democrats feel should be `free'!


Tagline;

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Scarecrow to Dorothy: "Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking!"


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All the things leftist democrats feel should be `free'!

I could give them solutions for free food and
shelter (sleep under an apple tree) but then they want to know how I can extend the offer to the rest of the world.

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