• Black conservatives/Repub

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, November 11, 2022 14:54:00
    The statement (mine) that lead to your "single-issue" comment was there are Black conservatives/Republicans who seem better
    ducated
    you or I, and I asked why you thought that was.
    So, now you are saying that they are not smart enough to see
    hrou
    such a "lie"?
    Anyone can be duped. There are very smart people that believe that "trickle-down" economics works for everyone, despite the wage (and
    eal
    gap that's been expanding since Reagan introduced "voodoo economics."
    The single-issue lie you mentioned is a pretty long-lived one. I don't think these well-educated people would stay duped that long.

    The idea of "trickle-down" economics has survived this long despite zero evidence of it helping the middle class, so *somebody* must be buying into
    t.

    Again, I don't think they are single issue people.

    I think it is more along the lines of they have realized the Democrat Party does not have as much to offer them, and may have even pivoted away from
    their values.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, November 11, 2022 14:49:00
    On 10 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Plus Arbery wasn't a politician.
    There's no rule that politically-motivated crimes have to target
    oliti
    In this case, it was quite likely racially motivated. I don't see any political motivation, unless we are going to go to the point where all violent acts are politically motivated.

    It was racially-motivated violence intended to send a message.

    It was a bunch of dumbasses who thought a black jogger didn't belong in
    their neighborhood. You are stretching very hard to try to hook a
    political motive to it.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, November 11, 2022 16:21:03
    On 11 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Again, I don't think they are single issue people.
    I think it is more along the lines of they have realized the Democrat Party does not have as much to offer them, and may have even pivoted
    away from their values.

    That would depend on which values (i.e., issues) are important to them,

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, November 11, 2022 16:53:35
    On 11 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    There's no rule that politically-motivated crimes have to target
    oliti
    In this case, it was quite likely racially motivated. I don't see political motivation, unless we are going to go to the point where violent acts are politically motivated.
    It was racially-motivated violence intended to send a message.
    It was a bunch of dumbasses who thought a black jogger didn't belong in their neighborhood. You are stretching very hard to try to hook a political motive to it.

    At least one of the murderers shared white supremacist items on social media, and prominent leaders of white supremacist groups are trying to crowd-fund their appeals. White supremacy, in that it espouses changing the balance of rights between racial/ethnic groups, is inherently political.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, November 12, 2022 10:36:00
    Again, I don't think they are single issue people.
    I think it is more along the lines of they have realized the Democrat Party does not have as much to offer them, and may have even pivoted away from their values.

    That would depend on which values (i.e., issues) are important to them,

    In this area of the country, Democrats who have either moved over entirely
    or that vote for Republicans on the national level usually seem concerned
    about the Democrat Party stance on abortion, their perceived lack of
    concern for persons who live in rural areas/"those red states", etc, and
    their perceived lack of respect for religion. Those are just a few of the issues I hear mentioned.

    I would imagine that those living in the nearby city might look at their
    crime rates, police brutality, etc., and realize it has not gotten any
    better (but worse) over several decades of Democrats as mayor, which might
    make them start looking elsewhere. They may also be concerned about other things listed above.

    Returning to the original subject of why some seemingly well educated
    persons in minority groups might turn Republican, I see several of those
    issues brought up. Not just one.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, November 12, 2022 10:29:02
    On 12 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Again, I don't think they are single issue people.
    I think it is more along the lines of they have realized the Democr Party does not have as much to offer them, and may have even pivote away from their values.
    That would depend on which values (i.e., issues) are important to them,
    In this area of the country, Democrats who have either moved over
    entirely or that vote for Republicans on the national level usually seem concerned about the Democrat Party stance on abortion, their perceived lack of concern for persons who live in rural areas/"those red states", etc, and their perceived lack of respect for religion. Those are just a few of the issues I hear mentioned.

    By the same person?

    I would imagine that those living in the nearby city might look at their crime rates, police brutality, etc., and realize it has not gotten any better (but worse) over several decades of Democrats as mayor, which
    might make them start looking elsewhere. They may also be concerned
    about other things listed above.

    I could imagine a lot of things.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, November 13, 2022 10:20:00
    In this area of the country, Democrats who have either moved over entirely or that vote for Republicans on the national level usually seem concerned about the Democrat Party stance on abortion, their perceived lack of concern for persons who live in rural areas/"those red states", etc, and their perceived lack of respect for religion. Those are just a few of the issues I hear mentioned.

    By the same person?

    Same multiple persons, yes.


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