• FBI

    From IB Joe@1:342/200 to All on Friday, June 02, 2023 12:28:34
    Mr. Wray is going to give the GOP the document that shows Biden taking bribes.

    I think with Joe's last fall the left are going to sink him before the election.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Friday, June 02, 2023 11:52:46
    Mr. Wray is going to give the GOP the document that shows Biden taking bribes.

    That document contains info received by the FBI, but it is unsubstantiated.

    I think with Joe's last fall the left are going to sink him before the election.

    I don't think Joe is going to fall on account of unsubstantiated claims with no facts to back them up.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, June 03, 2023 13:04:38
    On 02 Jun 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Mr. Wray is going to give the GOP the document that shows Biden taking bribes.

    That document contains info received by the FBI, but it is unsubstantiated.


    Why would it almost take a would it take charging him with contempt to get them. If they were baseless just say so... show them the document... show them the work you did to substantiate them as being unsubstantiated... and move on.....

    Now, they'll have the document(s). Now they'll ask what the FBI has done to investigate the allegations... They'll now be able to talk to witnesses ... they'll be able to see if the bank records correlate with the allegations

    I know why they fought so hard to keep it from the public... There are only
    2 CRIMES mentioned in the constitution ...."treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors"... Looks like Joe Briben might have got caught.


    I think with Joe's last fall the left are going to sink him before the election.

    I don't think Joe is going to fall on account of unsubstantiated claims with no facts to back them up.


    It shows how weak and old he is, he won't win the election regardless of who he runs against. They're not going to snipe him like they did with JFK, but they'll feed him to the sharks and have him out some time soon.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Saturday, June 03, 2023 12:49:16
    Why would it almost take a would it take charging him with contempt to get them. If they were baseless just say so...

    They did say so.

    show them the document... show the the work you did to substantiate them as being unsubstantiated... and move on.....

    They offered congress a private sit down with these documents and an explaination of them.

    Congress already has the document. Congress (the MAGA GOP rather) wants to make these unsubstatiated claims public for some reason.

    Do you know who subbmitted this document to the FBI? Rudy Giuliani.

    Do you know where Rudy got the document?

    Now, they'll have the document(s). Now they'll ask what the FBI has done to investigate the allegations... They'll now be able to talk to witnesses ... they'll be able to see if the bank records correlate with the allegations

    They had the documents already. Congress doesn't talk to witnesses, the FBI does for reasons that I think are mostly obvious.

    I know why they fought so hard to keep it from the public... There are only 2 CRIMES mentioned in the constitution ...."treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors"... Looks like Joe Briben might have got caught.

    The FBI never makes their investigations public. This is not what they do.

    I think with Joe's last fall the left are going to sink him before the
    election.

    I don't think Joe is going to fall on account of unsubstantiated claims
    with no facts to back them up.

    It shows how weak and old he is, he won't win the election regardless of who he runs against. They're not going to snipe him like they did with JFK, but they'll feed him to the sharks and have him out some time soon.

    This is all about somewhow/anyhow making Joe look bad because of the upcoming election. It's election interference by the GOP.

    I'm almost certain that congress knows full well how and why the FBI works the way it does.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Sunday, June 04, 2023 10:59:03
    Hello Joe,

    [..]

    I know why they fought so hard to keep it from the public...

    Do you, Joe? Do you really? Please tell us what you know, Joe ...

    There are only 2 CRIMES mentioned in the constitution ....

    Really? And what, pray tell, might those two crimes be?

    "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors"...

    Treason. That's one.

    Bribery. That's two.

    Other crimes. That is more than two.

    And misdemeanors. That is a lot more than one can count.

    Looks like Joe Briben might have got caught.

    He was sandbagged. Fell flat on his face as a result.
    But he survived. Thanks to his training at Beach Delaware.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sunday, June 04, 2023 08:53:00
    IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Why would it almost take a would it take charging him with contempt to get them. If they were baseless just say so... show them the
    document... show them the work you did to substantiate them as being unsubstantiated... and move on.....

    Anytime they stonewall or delay something like that, it's basically an admission that 1) yes, it's true and 2) they knew all about it.

    I know why they fought so hard to keep it from the public... There are only 2 CRIMES mentioned in the constitution ...."treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors"... Looks like Joe Briben might have got caught.

    I'll only celebrate when the Biden Crime Family is sent to prison - along
    with the Clinton Crime Family.

    It shows how weak and old he is, he won't win the election regardless
    of who he runs against. They're not going to snipe him like they did
    with JFK, but they'll feed him to the sharks and have him out some time soon.

    With Sleepy Joe, he won't need to "commit suicide". He'll just have a "stroke".


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, June 04, 2023 12:51:27
    On 03 Jun 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...


    This is all about somewhow/anyhow making Joe look bad because of the upcoming election. It's election interference by the GOP.


    Joe's doing a great job on his own...


    I'm almost certain that congress knows full well how and why the FBI
    works the way it does.


    FBI is crockeder than Hillary. This is the same FBI that investigated Trump, Crossfire Hurricane, with made up evidence.... The FBI is corrupt.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, June 04, 2023 13:05:33
    On 04 Jun 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Joe,

    [..]

    I know why they fought so hard to keep it from the public...

    Do you, Joe? Do you really? Please tell us what you know, Joe ...

    Do you not watch the news?? When the whistle blowers told congress about the document Mr. Wray said it didn't exist...said that for a few weeks... then he said it existed but they didn't need to see it... did this for a couple weeks... Congress was about to find him in contempt.... still nothing... Joe fell and looked like an idiot and the machine, AKA Washington elites, decide it's time to let him go...

    Having to take congress to the brink of contempt charges filed against the head of the FBI for doing its constitutional job of over site... Is exactly what it seems... Wray NOT giving up the documents without a fight.


    Treason. That's one.

    Bribery. That's two.


    They mention 2 BY NAME... and it's been shown that Joe Briben took part of it... and if there was ever a reason for impeachment here is a good reason... If the facts show it even Democrats will have to vote on it.


    He was sandbagged. Fell flat on his face as a result.
    But he survived. Thanks to his training at Beach Delaware.


    He physically survived, politically I don't know...

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sunday, June 04, 2023 12:14:24
    I'm almost certain that congress knows full well how and why the FBI
    works the way it does.

    FBI is crockeder than Hillary. This is the same FBI that investigated Trump, Crossfire Hurricane, with made up evidence....

    Does any of that surprise you?

    The FBI is corrupt.

    The FBI is doing their job, just as we expected they would and as they continue to do. It's a bold statement to say "The FBI is corrupt", but are there any facts to back that up?

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Sunday, June 04, 2023 13:14:58
    On 04 Jun 2023, Ron L. said the following...


    Anytime they stonewall or delay something like that, it's basically an admission that 1) yes, it's true and 2) they knew all about it.


    And as I have said, I think Joe is on his way out. The documents and evidence will start to flow now. Joe has proven himself to old and unelectable with the last fall. They can't just hide him in the basement like they did during covid. Bobby Kennedy Jr. is asking for debates, Bobby is climbing in the poles even without a debate...

    If he doesn't step down, or they don't use amendment #25, they'll take him down hard like they did JFK.


    I'll only celebrate when the Biden Crime Family is sent to prison -
    along with the Clinton Crime Family.


    Get some popcorn it'll be an interesting election cycle.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, June 04, 2023 13:52:12
    On 04 Jun 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    FBI is crockeder than Hillary. This is the same FBI that investigated T Crossfire Hurricane, with made up evidence....

    Does any of that surprise you?

    Yes, I WAS old school and I believed that the government agencies worked for the people... I had a rude awakening... now that I'm read pilled I see all their lies.
    The FBI is corrupt.

    The FBI is doing their job, just as we expected they would and as they continue to do. It's a bold statement to say "The FBI is corrupt", but
    are there any facts to back that up?


    Crossfire Hurricane.. Durham report... list goes on and on.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sunday, June 04, 2023 18:44:34
    Crossfire Hurricane.. Durham report...

    What about Crossfire Hurricane and the Durham report?

    The Crossfire Hurricane investigation was opened due to George Papadopoulos's assertions of Russians having damaging material on Hillary.

    Trump wasn't under investigation until he fired James Comey and raised suspicions of obstruction of justice which then triggered the Mueller investigation.

    The Durham report of course was just a flop.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, June 04, 2023 21:14:18
    On 04 Jun 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Crossfire Hurricane.. Durham report...

    What about Crossfire Hurricane and the Durham report?

    The Crossfire Hurricane investigation was opened due to George Papadopoulos's assertions of Russians having damaging material on
    Hillary.

    Trump wasn't under investigation until he fired James Comey and raised suspicions of obstruction of justice which then triggered the Mueller investigation.

    The Durham report of course was just a flop.


    Nothing you just said is true...

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, June 04, 2023 23:29:25
    Trump wasn't under investigation until he fired James Comey and raised suspicions of obstruction of justice which then triggered the Mueller investigation.
    What makes you believe that The President can not fire the FBI Director.
    Trump was the President and therefore Jim Comey served at the President Trump's will. You really should of paid attention better in school within your
    Social Studies class, when they were covering American Law.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, June 04, 2023 22:21:42
    Trump wasn't under investigation until he fired James Comey and raised
    suspicions of obstruction of justice which then triggered the Mueller
    investigation.

    What makes you believe that The President can not fire the FBI Director.

    I never said Trump couldn't fire Comey. I simply said that he did fire Comey.

    Trump fired a lot of people, even before he was president.

    "You're fired!". Great stuff.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Monday, June 05, 2023 07:18:52
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    If he doesn't step down, or they don't use amendment #25, they'll take
    him down hard like they did JFK.

    IHMO: we will wait Joe out and let his term expire at this point.

    Not even the Ignorant Elitists want Kamala as President - which was Joe's "insurance policy" that he would not be pushed out.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Monday, June 05, 2023 07:18:52
    IB Joe wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Do you not watch the news??

    For Lee, "news" is the propaganda spewed out by places like CNN.

    CNN won't tell Lee things he's afraid of knowing because it will show that he is wrong - and the Ignorant Elitists can never be wrong.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Monday, June 05, 2023 07:18:52
    IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Nothing you just said is true...

    Well, Duh! It's Alan you are talking to.

    Have you noticed that many of us don't bother to reply to anything Alan posts?

    In my case, I don't even bother to read anything he posts.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Monday, June 05, 2023 08:57:19
    On 05 Jun 2023, Ron L. said the following...

    IHMO: we will wait Joe out and let his term expire at this point.

    Not even the Ignorant Elitists want Kamala as President - which was Joe's "insurance policy" that he would not be pushed out.


    I know they don't want Kamala to be the next... BUT... he could stroke out or make some more awesome speeches that make no sense. The way things are now ANY republican runner can take him down in an election... even Chris Christie.

    They'll take him out now, it could get messy, and be in control of who they replace him with...

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Monday, June 05, 2023 19:25:57
    Hello Joe,

    I know they don't want Kamala to be the next...

    Joe doesn't mind ...

    BUT...

    Kamala also doesn't mind ...

    he could stroke out or make some more awesome speeches that make no sense.

    Wishful thinking. Tripping over sandbags, bumping his head on
    the door of Air Force One, or whatever other mishap of the day
    that happens, Biden has survived them all. And that is not to
    mention the gaffes me makes along the way.

    The way things are now ANY republican runner can take him down in an election... even Chris Christie.

    Nope. Not gonna happen. As Nikki Haley explains -

    "I am telling you, we've got to get past having all of these
    people who are older in DC. We've done that long enough. We need
    term limits." ~Nikki Haley

    See what I mean? The only way to get Joe Biden out of office
    is to impose term limits on him. Kind of like an updated 22nd
    Amendment, but limited to one term rather than two.

    The state of Virginia has a one term limitation for governor.
    So why not the same for POTUS?

    Just think of the benefits. Rather than voting for Joe Biden,
    we would all be voting for Kamala Harris.

    The first elected black woman POTUS ever!

    They'll take him out now, it could get messy, and be in control of who they
    replace him with...

    That matter has already been settled. The line of succession, in
    due accordance with the US Constitution.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, June 05, 2023 12:36:40
    If you think for a moment the fact that Briben drools out the left side of his mouth... does not have the cognitive ability to complete a sentence and cannot walk up stairs walk away from shaking people hands does not reflect his ability to be president or for that matter NOT affect his re-electablity you are mistaken, and or a Kool-aide drinker.

    The powers to be want to retain power.... They don't want to take a chance have Joe stroke out on them before the election...

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Monday, June 05, 2023 16:09:00
    The Durham report of course was just a flop.

    "For years, Donald Trump and his supporters pinned their hopes on the investigation by [the special counsel] John Durham, Trump and his allies arguing it would exonerate him from any hint of improper behavior regarding
    the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election.
    The report is now here, it has dropped, and it might not have produced everything of what some Republicans hoped for, [but] it is regardless devastating to the FBI and to a degree, it does exonerate Donald Trump."

    -- Jake Tapper, CNN <-- Not Fox or OAN or Newsmax

    The FBI "failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law"

    -- a quote from the Durham report

    The FBI used the Steele dossier to secure FISA warrants without revealing
    to the court that the primary source for the dossier was the subject of an unresolved FBI counterspy investigation for ties to Russian intelligence,
    i.e. Igor Danchenko. Part of the reason Danchenko was under investigation
    was that he asked a coworker, who he thought was about to join the Obama administration, if the coworker would be willing to divulge any classified information he might learn while with the administration in exchange for
    money.

    Instead of completing that investigation, the FBI decided to hire Danchenko
    as a paid informant for the Trump investigation, gave Danchenko a letter of immunity, and would later claim that Danchenko was never under
    investigation.

    So the FBI was paying someone, who needed to save their own hide, to
    provide information about Trump and Russia.

    None of that was ever divulged to the court. Your definition of corrupt
    might be different than mine, but withholding information in order to
    secure warrants is a corrupt action by my definition. As an aside, it is
    also corrupt by the definition of the investigation into the warrant that lead to the death of Briana Taylor in nearby Louisville, which involved police withholding key information when obtaining said warrant.

    The whole Trump Russian collusion "fact" was nothing but a hoax and
    left-wing conspiracy theory originated by the Clinton Campaign, the DNC,
    and Russian disinformation (via Danchenko), and perpetuated by the FBI and people like Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the American press.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Monday, June 05, 2023 15:59:00
    Trump wasn't under investigation until he fired James Comey and raised suspicions of obstruction of justice which then triggered the Mueller investigation.
    What makes you believe that The President can not fire the FBI Director. Trump was the President and therefore Jim Comey served at the President
    rump'
    will. You really should of paid attention better in school within your
    Social Studies class, when they were covering American Law.

    Alan likely went to school in Canada where they had no such lesson re:
    American Law.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Monday, June 05, 2023 17:56:44
    The Durham report of course was just a flop.

    "For years, Donald Trump and his supporters pinned their hopes on the investigation by [the special counsel] John Durham, Trump and his allies arguing it would exonerate him from any hint of improper behavior regarding the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election.
    The report is now here, it has dropped, and it might not have produced everything of what some Republicans hoped for, [but] it is regardless devastating to the FBI and to a degree, it does exonerate Donald Trump."

    -- Jake Tapper, CNN <-- Not Fox or OAN or Newsmax

    Yes, of course. Nevertheless, the Durham report is a flop.

    The FBI "failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law"

    -- a quote from the Durham report

    The FBI used the Steele dossier to secure FISA warrants without revealing
    to the court that the primary source for the dossier was the subject of an unresolved FBI counterspy investigation for ties to Russian intelligence, i.e. Igor Danchenko. Part of the reason Danchenko was under investigation was that he asked a coworker, who he thought was about to join the Obama administration, if the coworker would be willing to divulge any classified information he might learn while with the administration in exchange for money.

    Instead of completing that investigation, the FBI decided to hire Danchenko as a paid informant for the Trump investigation, gave Danchenko a letter of immunity, and would later claim that Danchenko was never under
    investigation.

    So the FBI was paying someone, who needed to save their own hide, to
    provide information about Trump and Russia.

    None of that was ever divulged to the court. Your definition of corrupt might be different than mine, but withholding information in order to
    secure warrants is a corrupt action by my definition. As an aside, it is also corrupt by the definition of the investigation into the warrant that lead to the death of Briana Taylor in nearby Louisville, which involved police withholding key information when obtaining said warrant.

    Are you saying that Danchenko is the good guy and the FBI is the bad guy?

    The whole Trump Russian collusion "fact" was nothing but a hoax and
    left-wing conspiracy theory originated by the Clinton Campaign, the DNC,
    and Russian disinformation (via Danchenko), and perpetuated by the FBI and people like Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the American press.

    Russian interference in the 2016 election is a well documented fact.

    Trump didn't "do" that but used it to his advantage.

    I am not sure Trump colluded with Russia or anyone within Russia or that he did not and I don't think it matters much now.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, June 06, 2023 09:36:13
    On 05 Jun 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

    Trump wasn't under investigation until he fired James Comey and rai suspicions of obstruction of justice which then triggered the Muell investigation.
    What makes you believe that The President can not fire the FBI Director. Trump was the President and therefore Jim Comey served at the President
    rump'
    will. You really should of paid attention better in school within your Social Studies class, when they were covering American Law.

    Alan likely went to school in Canada where they had no such lesson re: American Law.


    What do you mean?? Comey serves at the presidents pleasure... He was fired for good reason. The Deep State, Democrats and Left-Wingh Nut Jobs used his dismissal as a segway to activate Mueller... and what did Muller find... no involvement, if there was Trump would have been easily voted out of office.

    The Durham report was started, now completed. Trump is completely exonerated, as per the report. It showed the FBI as well as others were quite culpable in the Russia Russia hoax.

    Papadopoulos (Spelling) is set to take civil action to the FBI et al. for using his name, unjustly, in FISA warrants because of what was found by Durham.

    Comey sat for an interview with MSNBC with Jen Nut Sacky, definitely a left leaning interview... BUT... Comey mentions that he is worried about retribution of his involvement in the Russia hoax.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c0o547MjaY

    this starts ~5:30

    Enjoy!!!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, June 06, 2023 15:04:36
    Yes, of course. Nevertheless, the Durham report is a flop.

    It might be a flop to you because it proved the FBI has issues and that
    there is no evidence of collusion, which you've spent several years in here claiming there was.

    I spent several years in here claiming there was?

    The FBI is not something I have brought up at all. They are not on my watch list. I have nothing good or bad to say about the FBI.

    It is the GOP who now (that Donald Trump is under investigation) want to defund the FBI, not me.

    Now, when compared to what Trump expected out of it, I would have to say on that scale it is also a flop.

    Yes, I don't think the Durham report did much of anything.

    But it did expose several issues, lapses of judgement, and lapses of
    mission in the FBI.

    I don't have any facts to that. I don't know that Durham's report did any of that but if it did we can look at all that.

    Are you saying that Danchenko is the good guy and the FBI is the bad guy?

    Nope, not even close. I was and am saying Danchenko was NOT the good guy the FBI made him out to be when requesting warrants, which makes them also not such good guys.

    They were looking out for the political interests of the party that was in charge at the time of the 2016 election (the party of Obama, in case you cannot remember) and not the interests of the country as a whole.

    I don't see that. The FBI is not a political party.

    Russian interference in the 2016 election is a well documented fact.

    I said collusion was a hoax. Interference in US politics, in general, from Russian sources was aided by the FBI using a Russian informant they knew
    was dirty and was apparently feeding them bad information in exchange for
    an immunity letter.

    Trump didn't "do" that but used it to his advantage.

    So have the Democrats, thanks to the FBI, ever since.

    What exactly are you saying that the democrats have done, thanks to the FBI ever since?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Tuesday, June 06, 2023 15:35:00
    "For years, Donald Trump and his supporters pinned their hopes on the investigation by [the special counsel] John Durham, Trump and his allies arguing it would exonerate him from any hint of improper behavior regarding the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election.
    The report is now here, it has dropped, and it might not have produced everything of what some Republicans hoped for, [but] it is regardless devastating to the FBI and to a degree, it does exonerate Donald Trump."

    -- Jake Tapper, CNN <-- Not Fox or OAN or Newsmax

    Yes, of course. Nevertheless, the Durham report is a flop.

    It might be a flop to you because it proved the FBI has issues and that
    there is no evidence of collusion, which you've spent several years in here claiming there was.

    Now, when compared to what Trump expected out of it, I would have to say on that scale it is also a flop.

    But it did expose several issues, lapses of judgement, and lapses of
    mission in the FBI.

    Are you saying that Danchenko is the good guy and the FBI is the bad guy?

    Nope, not even close. I was and am saying Danchenko was NOT the good guy the FBI made him out to be when requesting warrants, which makes them also not
    such good guys.

    They were looking out for the political interests of the party that was in charge at the time of the 2016 election (the party of Obama, in case you
    cannot remember) and not the interests of the country as a whole.

    The whole Trump Russian collusion "fact" was nothing but a hoax and left-wing conspiracy theory originated by the Clinton Campaign, the DNC, and Russian disinformation (via Danchenko), and perpetuated by the FBI and people like Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the American press.

    Russian interference in the 2016 election is a well documented fact.

    I said collusion was a hoax. Interference in US politics, in general, from Russian sources was aided by the FBI using a Russian informant they knew
    was dirty and was apparently feeding them bad information in exchange for
    an immunity letter.

    Trump didn't "do" that but used it to his advantage.

    So have the Democrats, thanks to the FBI, ever since.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Tuesday, June 06, 2023 15:41:00
    Trump wasn't under investigation until he fired James Comey and
    a
    suspicions of obstruction of justice which then triggered the
    uel
    investigation.
    What makes you believe that The President can not fire the FBI
    irector
    Trump was the President and therefore Jim Comey served at the
    resident
    rump'
    will. You really should of paid attention better in school within your Social Studies class, when they were covering American Law.

    Alan likely went to school in Canada where they had no such lesson re: American Law.


    What do you mean?? Comey serves at the presidents pleasure... He was fired
    or
    ood reason. The Deep State, Democrats and Left-Wingh Nut Jobs used his
    ismis
    l as a segway to activate Mueller... and what did Muller find... no
    nvolvemen
    if there was Trump would have been easily voted out of office.

    I think you are confusing something Alan said in the quotes above with something you think I said?

    I said Alan likely went to school in Canada, which is probably true because
    he is Canadian and has never claimed to be an American ex-pat and, as a Canadian, he probably had no such lessons regarding American Law in his Social Studies classes.

    If he did happen to have such classes, based on his posts I am pretty certain he didn't pay attention or has forgotten everything he learned.

    I am certain that Comey served at the pleasure of the administration.
    Excluding those that are voted into office, and federal judges, most
    high-level government employees do, and they can be dismissed at pretty
    much any time.

    Comey sat for an interview with MSNBC with Jen Nut Sacky, definitely a left

    ning interview... BUT... Comey mentions that he is worried about retribution

    his involvement in the Russia hoax.

    If he is found culpable for some of the FBI misactions, maybe he should
    receive some legal retribution.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, June 06, 2023 18:14:20
    On 06 Jun 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

    "For years, Donald Trump and his supporters pinned their hopes on the investigation by [the special counsel] John Durham, Trump and his allie
    arguing it would exonerate him from any hint of improper behavior regar
    the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election. The report is now here, it has dropped, and it might not have produced everything of what some Republicans hoped for, [but] it is regardless devastating to the FBI and to a degree, it does exonerate Donald Trump.

    -- Jake Tapper, CNN <-- Not Fox or OAN or Newsmax

    Yes, of course. Nevertheless, the Durham report is a flop.

    It might be a flop to you because it proved the FBI has issues and that there is no evidence of collusion, which you've spent several years in here claiming there was.
    It wasn't a flop but when you look online for the Durham Report you can easily see at a glance all of the left leaning websites, all trying to overly convince the reader that the Durham Report wasn't successful or that it was not effective. In truth it was very effective as it provided facts, which most of us on the right have speculated to be true for quite sometime now.
    So the naturally the Dems they are forced into denial as they scrub and even claw at their own faces trying to desperately to remove the bits of egg that are still sticking to their faces.
    Keep scrubbing lunatics.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Wednesday, June 07, 2023 02:46:53
    Hello Joe,

    The Durham report was started, now completed.

    No charges filed on any Republicans' perceived enemies.

    Trump is completely exonerated, as per the report.

    Trump was not exonerated. He was acquitted by the Senate.
    Impeached by the House. Twice. But never exonerated of anything.

    exonerate - to declare or prove blameless
    acquit - to clear a person of a charge

    Please do note the difference.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Wednesday, June 07, 2023 01:10:00
    On 06-06-23 09:36, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Mike Powell about Re: FBI <=-

    What do you mean?? Comey serves at the presidents
    pleasure... He was fired for good reason. The Deep State,
    Democrats and Left-Wingh Nut Jobs used his dismissal as a
    segway to activate Mueller... and what did Muller find...
    no involvement, if there was Trump would have been easily
    voted out of office.

    Your statement is coming from the AG Barr's false synopsis of the
    Mueller report. What the Mueller report said was that there was not
    enough evidence of conspiracy, that collsion is not a criminal term and
    so no comment, that there was evidence of cooperation of the Trump
    campaign with the Russians, and that there is considerable evidence of
    criminal obstruction of justice by Trump -- but that DOJ policy
    prohibits filing criminal charges against a sitting President.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, June 07, 2023 07:23:48
    Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

    Yes, of course. Nevertheless, the Durham report is a flop.

    It might be a flop to you because it proved the FBI has issues and that there is no evidence of collusion, which you've spent several years in here claiming there was.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, June 07, 2023 07:23:48
    Mike Powell wrote to IB JOE <=-

    I said Alan likely went to school in Canada, which is probably true because he is Canadian and has never claimed to be an American ex-pat
    and, as a Canadian, he probably had no such lessons regarding American
    Law in his Social Studies classes.

    I think you meant to say "...in his Socialist Studies classes."


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, June 07, 2023 06:59:15
    On 06 Jun 2023, Mike Powell said the following...


    his involvement in the Russia hoax.

    If he is found culpable for some of the FBI misactions, maybe he should receive some legal retribution.

    And this is why they don't want Trump in.... because he might just do this...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, June 07, 2023 07:49:14
    On 07 Jun 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...


    Trump is completely exonerated, as per the report.

    Trump was not exonerated. He was acquitted by the Senate.
    Impeached by the House. Twice. But never exonerated of anything.


    exonerate - to declare or prove blameless
    acquit - to clear a person of a charge

    Please do note the difference.

    He was impeached twice and found not guilty twice... NOTE the difference. Had he been found guilty he would not be able to run today... Now we have MAGA 2.0

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, June 07, 2023 18:06:12
    Hello Dale,

    What do you mean?? Comey serves at the presidents
    pleasure... He was fired for good reason. The Deep State,
    Democrats and Left-Wingh Nut Jobs used his dismissal as a
    segway to activate Mueller... and what did Muller find...
    no involvement, if there was Trump would have been easily
    voted out of office.

    Your statement is coming from the AG Barr's false synopsis of the
    Mueller report. What the Mueller report said was that there was not enough evidence of conspiracy, that collsion is not a criminal term and
    so no comment, that there was evidence of cooperation of the Trump campaign with the Russians, and that there is considerable evidence of criminal obstruction of justice by Trump -- but that DOJ policy
    prohibits filing criminal charges against a sitting President.

    A few things of note -

    The Director of the FBI serves a 10-year term, having been nominated
    by the President and confirmed by the Senate, meaning that he/she does
    *not* serve at the POTUS pleasure.

    AG Barr's opinion was very much off the mark, as duly noted. DOJ
    policy was based on an opinion by a DOJ employee, not a law of any
    kind. There is nothing in the US Constitution barring a sitting
    president from being charged with a crime or criminal act. If Donald
    Trump had shot somebody on Fifth Avenue, he would have been locked
    up and charged with murder. Even if he was president at the time.

    An opinion is just an opinion. Whatever that opinion might be, it
    is not policy. Impeachment is a political act, dealing with charging
    a sitting president with whatever crimes the Congress says he/she
    has committed during his tenure in office. The Senate holds trial,
    and can vote whichever way it wants.

    That is the answer President Gerald Ford told the news media
    when asked. He was right. Both then, and now.

    So please keep in mind that NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW. Not even the
    President of the United States. That is the flaw in the DOJ's opinion,
    made during the Nixon administration with the intent of keeping that
    sorry bastard out of jail.

    Go back and read the words of President Ford in his pardon of
    Richard Nixon "... for all crimes committed." Not may have committed,
    but actually committed. He meant every word he spoke.

    Being the best friend forever of Vlad Putin is not a criminal act
    in and of itself. And neither is singing the glory of his name. But
    it sure the hell is not a patriotic thing to do. Especially if you
    are a candidate running for president, or the POTUS himself.

    Now let's get to the meat of the matter -

    Paul Manafort.
    Trump's pardon of Manafort.

    How convenient for Durham to have left that part out of his report.
    And why Republicans do not want anybody else to know or remember.
    All of that polling stuff given to Russians by Paul Manafort. What
    do you think the Russians did with it?

    But hey. There was no collusion between Trump and Russia during
    the 2016 campaign. None at all. Besides, Trump's son was making sure
    of that.

    Of course, we all know Donald Trump, Jr. was not talking about
    politics in his talks with his Russian counterparts. Not at all.
    It was all about adoptions. Who gets what, and where they go.

    "It's a witch hunt!" (Donald Trump blaming it all on Hillary
    Clinton's emails).

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, June 07, 2023 10:30:09
    On 07 Jun 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    The Director of the FBI serves a 10-year term, having been nominated
    by the President and confirmed by the Senate, meaning that he/she does *not* serve at the POTUS pleasure.

    Not true

    https://www.businessinsider.com/why-can-president-trump-can-fire-fbi-director-j ames-comey?op=1

    One of Regan FBI directors was fired... So, Comey was the 2nd to be fired.

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/332876-comey-a-president-can-f ire-an-fbi-director-for-any-reason/

    If you spent 2 seconds on Google you would find out that he can...

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, June 07, 2023 19:42:11
    What do you mean?? Comey serves at the presidents
    pleasure... He was fired for good reason. The Deep State,
    Democrats and Left-Wingh Nut Jobs used his dismissal as a
    segway to activate Mueller... and what did Muller find...
    no involvement, if there was Trump would have been easily
    voted out of office.

    Your statement is coming from the AG Barr's false synopsis of the
    Mueller report. What the Mueller report said was that there was not enough evidence of conspiracy, that collsion is not a criminal term and
    so no comment, that there was evidence of cooperation of the Trump campaign with the Russians, and that there is considerable evidence of criminal obstruction of justice by Trump -- but that DOJ policy
    prohibits filing criminal charges against a sitting President.
    Topic: You twisted lefty spin.
    Source of Truth: The American Bar Association
    Website: https://tinyurl.com/437tjaax
    "The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but
    did NOT find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."

    You're so quick with the pointed finger, and you want so badly to score a impressive home-run as to gracefully take your victory lap but your missing the point in all of this.

    "As far as obstruction, the Mueller report laid out facts on both sides but did not reach a conclusion. Barr's letter said that the Special Counsel states that while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
    This is NOT where this story ends. There is more to understand, so sit down..

    "But Barr said that he and Rosenstein "have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense."

    I do not see at all how this could remotely be a possibility if it has already been established that neither the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government.

    These Washington suits w/ their elaborate speak, it's almost an intentional way of speaking as to seemingly and purposefully wanting to leave the window cracked open so that liberals and dems alike can speculate on what they think they meant, leaning towards of a course to a liberal climax of a gotcha moment, when in truth this is a futile effort and cannot mount as this is not anything of the sort, but the left leaning media rides this same slippery slope and you people on left eat it up like cracker jacks, only there is never a prize.
    Just as pissing up a robe is unsuccessful, so is this liberal narrative of yours.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Wednesday, June 07, 2023 17:07:00
    I spent several years in here claiming there was?

    That there was Russian collusion.

    It is the GOP who now (that Donald Trump is under investigation) want to
    efun
    the FBI, not me.

    They will have to defund a lot more than the FBI to make those
    investigations go away as, IIRC, many are under jurisdiction of agencies
    other than the FBI.

    I don't have any facts to that. I don't know that Durham's report did any of

    t but if it did we can look at all that.

    Are you saying that Danchenko is the good guy and the FBI is the bad guy?

    Nope, not even close. I was and am saying Danchenko was NOT the good guy
    h
    FBI made him out to be when requesting warrants, which makes them also not such good guys.

    They were looking out for the political interests of the party that was in charge at the time of the 2016 election (the party of Obama, in case you cannot remember) and not the interests of the country as a whole.

    I don't see that. The FBI is not a political party.

    They are not supposed to be, that is correct.

    Russian interference in the 2016 election is a well documented fact.

    I said collusion was a hoax. Interference in US politics, in general, from Russian sources was aided by the FBI using a Russian informant they knew was dirty and was apparently feeding them bad information in exchange for an immunity letter.

    Trump didn't "do" that but used it to his advantage.

    So have the Democrats, thanks to the FBI, ever since.

    What exactly are you saying that the democrats have done, thanks to the FBI
    v
    since?

    Your memory is short. The FBI used a Russian they claimed had not been
    under investigation, but who had been under investigation for possible espionage, to keep a narrative of Russian collusion with Trump's 2016 presidential campaign going which benefited the Democrat Party. Democrats,
    in turn, repeated ad nauseum this falsehood.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 08, 2023 00:54:00
    On 06-07-23 19:42, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: FBI <=-

    Your statement is coming from the AG Barr's false synopsis of the
    Mueller report. What the Mueller report said was that there was not enough evidence of conspiracy, that collsion is not a criminal term and
    so no comment, that there was evidence of cooperation of the Trump campaign with the Russians, and that there is considerable evidence of criminal obstruction of justice by Trump -- but that DOJ policy
    prohibits filing criminal charges against a sitting President.

    Topic: You twisted lefty spin.
    Source of Truth: The American Bar Association
    Website: https://tinyurl.com/437tjaax
    "The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the
    election, but did NOT find that the Trump campaign, or anyone
    associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian
    government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump
    campaign."

    GEE -- that is what I said.

    You're so quick with the pointed finger, and you want so
    badly to score a impressive home-run as to gracefully take
    your victory lap but your missing the point in all of this.

    "As far as obstruction, the Mueller report laid out facts
    on both sides but did not reach a conclusion. Barr's letter

    Because Mueller could not charge Trump.

    said that the Special Counsel states that while this report
    does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it
    also does not exonerate him."

    That is what Mueller said.

    This is NOT where this story ends. There is more to understand, so sit down..
    "But Barr said that he and Rosenstein "have concluded that the
    evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense."

    That was Barr's spin. OTOH, Mueller laid out ten examples of
    obstruction by Trump, but could do nothing about them.

    I do not see at all how this could remotely be a
    possibility if it has already been established that neither
    the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired
    or coordinated with the Russian government.

    No one has said that there was conspiracy or coordination.

    Just as pissing up a robe is unsuccessful, so is this liberal
    narrative of yours.

    I stated the facts, not liberal nor conservative. You are the one
    trying to create an argument against a narrative that was never stated.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Thursday, June 08, 2023 09:35:30
    Hello Joe,

    Trump is completely exonerated, as per the report.

    Trump was not exonerated. He was acquitted by the Senate.
    Impeached by the House. Twice. But never exonerated of anything.


    exonerate - to declare or prove blameless
    acquit - to clear a person of a charge

    Please do note the difference.

    He was impeached twice and found not guilty twice...

    Trump was never shown to be blameless. Just because not enough
    Senators voted to remove him from office does not clear his name.
    In fact, no defense at all was made on his behalf during the
    second trial. What a sad commentary on your beloved Republican
    Party, every member knowing he was guilty as sin.

    NOTE the difference.

    He was not removed from office by the Senate. Although there is
    no doubt he should have been.

    Had he been found guilty he would not be able to run today...

    The question was should he be removed from office, not whether
    he was guilty or not guilty of charges made by the House.

    Remember, no defense at all was made on Trump's behalf during the
    second trial. And only a very feeble one during his first trial.

    Now we have MAGA 2.0

    Trump is no longer POTUS. And likely never will be again.
    Regardless of how many MAGA nutjobs there are, or might be.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Thursday, June 08, 2023 15:28:11
    Hello Joe,

    The Director of the FBI serves a 10-year term, having been nominated
    by the President and confirmed by the Senate, meaning that he/she does
    *not* serve at the POTUS pleasure.

    Not true

    The FBI is led by a Director, who is appointed by the US President
    and confirmed by the Senate for a term not to exceed 10 years.

    That is from the FBI website.

    One of Regan FBI directors was fired... So, Comey was the 2nd to be fired.

    Excuse me?

    Please do not embarrass yourself.

    In 1993, President Bill Clinton fired FBI Director William Sessions.
    He was the first to have been fired. For cause, rather than politics.

    President Donald Trump fired FBI Director James Comey. He was the
    second to have been fired. For politics, rather than cause.

    Remember, this is the FBI Director, not a justice on the Supreme
    Court or federal judge, who can only be thrown out by impeachment
    by the House and removal from office by the Senate.

    As such, a director serves at the pleasure of the president.
    And then only because the Congress has chosen not to limit a
    presidents powers in that way.

    If you spent 2 seconds on Google you would find out that he can...

    Google is a search engine, having no authority whatsoever.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, June 08, 2023 07:56:08
    On 08 Jun 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Google is a search engine, having no authority whatsoever.

    I didn't say it was an authority... BUT it did show that Comey was the second FBI directory to be fired by a president. And we learned by his own admission and the Durham report that he was directly involved in Russia collusion scam.
    He was the one that said in a recent interview with Jen Nutt Scaky that he is worried that Trump will hold them all accountable.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, June 08, 2023 10:47:41
    On 08 Jun 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...


    Trump was never shown to be blameless. Just because not enough
    Senators voted to remove him from office does not clear his name.
    In fact, no defense at all was made on his behalf during the
    second trial. What a sad commentary on your beloved Republican
    Party, every member knowing he was guilty as sin.


    "At the trial, 57 senators voted "guilty", which was less than the two-thirds majority needed (67) to convict Trump, and 43 senators voted "not guilty", resulting in Trump being acquitted of the charges on February 13, 2021.[15]"

    Above snippet from WikipediA...

    Maybe the facts didn't support the democrats claims... They presented the evidence and it wasn't enough to convict... or whatever it was they were trying to do. Impeach, try to remove someone from office that was no longer in office... some thing's up... Now the video tapes, as well as some testimony has been released showing the powers-to-be more culpable than they claimed Trump ever was... Civil suites are being filed on the January 6th comity ... the truth always seems to find it's way out.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Thursday, June 08, 2023 18:35:00
    "The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but did NOT find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired
    coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple
    f
    rts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."

    Here is what I don't understand. If you listen to HRC and her followers,
    Biden and his, many other Democrats, and most leftist, it is Republicans
    and "right-wingers" who are likely to believe crazy conspiracy theories
    that the learn from internet sources. Those same folks will also point out that Democrats and their voters are allegedly smarter -- too smart to fall
    for such nonsense.

    Yet, in order to fully believe there was Russian interference, and that the interference was actually affective, you have to believe just the opposite.
    You have to believe that somehow, despite being smarter and less easily mislead by internet nonsense, the potential 2016 HRC voters were somehow
    easily mislead by the Russian disinformation that they encountered on
    social media and wherever else.

    So, which is it? Are the Democrats and their potential voters really that
    much smarter and savvy that they don't fall for such things (meaning the Russian disinformation campaign actually had little affect on anything), or
    do most Democrats lie about how smart their potential voters are?

    I honestly believe the latter. They are just as likely to be caught in disinformation they read on social media as anyone else... maybe more so,
    since they traditionally are more likely to participate on multiple social media platforms.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Thursday, June 08, 2023 18:40:00
    I do not see at all how this could remotely be a
    possibility if it has already been established that neither
    the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired
    or coordinated with the Russian government.

    No one has said that there was conspiracy or coordination.

    Maybe you did not, but I know we had at least two regular posters... one
    who is still posting and one that has disappeared... who claimed that
    Russian collusion with the Trump campaign was fact.

    IIRC, both Adam Schiff (many times) and Nancy Pelosi (at least once) also claimed it was fact.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Friday, June 09, 2023 10:17:50
    Hello Joe,

    Google is a search engine, having no authority whatsoever.

    I didn't say it was an authority...

    It is just a search engine. As are many others. None of them
    are an authority. On anything.

    BUT it did show that Comey was the second FBI directory to be fired by a president.

    Google is also not a source. For anything. It is just a search
    engine. It does exactly what it was designed to do. It searches.

    And we learned by his own admission and the Durham report that he was directly involved in Russia collusion scam.

    Did he mention Paul Manafort? And let's not forget about Trump's
    pardon of Paul Manafort. So please. Let's not leave out the real
    facts. The facts that really matter.

    He was the one that said in a recent interview with Jen Nutt Scaky that he is worried that Trump will hold them all accountable.

    Who is going to hold Trump accountable for his pardon of Paul
    Manafort? Certainly not Vladimir Putin and his pals ...

    For Life,
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, June 09, 2023 07:51:52
    I stated the facts, not liberal nor conservative. You are the one
    trying to create an argument against a narrative that was never stated.
    I am not buying your innocent elixir, or that I am trying to create any such argument. The entirety of lets get Trump on charges is wrong.
    More on this later but first due to time restraints, work block at
    The Department of State.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Friday, June 09, 2023 17:58:12
    Hello Joe,

    Trump was never shown to be blameless. Just because not enough
    Senators voted to remove him from office does not clear his name.
    In fact, no defense at all was made on his behalf during the
    second trial. What a sad commentary on your beloved Republican
    Party, every member knowing he was guilty as sin.

    "At the trial, 57 senators voted "guilty", which was less than the two-thirds majority needed (67) to convict Trump, and 43 senators voted "not guilty", resulting in Trump being acquitted of the charges on February
    13, 2021.[15]"

    It takes two-thirds of those voting to remove a president from
    office. Not two-thirds of the entire membership of the Senate.
    That is why none of the "crimes" the House had charged him with
    mattered. The only question on the ballot was should the bastard
    be removed from office? If two-thirds of those voting had said
    "yes" it would have been "Bye-Bye".

    IOW, hot enough Senators voted to remove him from office, in both
    trials. Of course, had they done so in the first trial there would
    have been no second trial.

    Above snippet from WikipediA...

    Nobody gives a sh*t about Wikipedia. It is the facts that count.
    Not hearsay (which is not evidence).

    If the House had impeached him for picking his nose, and the
    Senate chosen to use that as its basis for removing him from office,
    that would have been as good a "crime" as any.

    The Senate failed to remove him from office. That is the bottom
    line. That is what happens when members of the Republican Party fail
    to hold their leader accountable - for anything.

    Maybe the facts didn't support the democrats claims...

    What are the facts? There are no facts.

    Republican Senators put forth NO DEFENSE in response to the case
    made against Donald Trump in his second trial. That is an admission
    of guilt. Even though not enough Senators voted to remove him from
    office, he was still guilty as sin. And every Senator, regardless
    of party affiliation, knew it.

    They presented the evidence and it wasn't enough to convict...

    The defense put forth NO DEFENSE, which is an admission of guilt.
    The fact that not enough Senators voted to remove him from office
    changes nothing.

    In the first trial very little was presented in defense of his
    actions. Not that there was any real defense for what he did.

    or whatever it was they were trying to do.

    The prosecution proved its case. In both trials.

    Impeach, try to remove someone from office that was no longer in office...

    Articles of Impeachment were filed, and passed, while he was still
    in office. That is what the House does, in due accordance with the
    US Constitution.

    The Senate has a different job to do. And can do so even after
    the accused has left office.

    Please do read the US Constitution for a fuller understanding
    as to how things work.

    some thing's up...

    The House did its job, successfully impeaching Trump. In fact,
    it did so twice. Not just once.

    Now the video tapes, as well as some testimony has been released showing the
    powers-to-be more culpable than they claimed Trump ever was... Civil suites
    are being filed on the January 6th comity ... the truth always seems to find it's way out.

    The truth? You want to know the truth?

    Donald Trump lost the election and he is still crying about it.
    Along with his band of MAGA nutjobs.

    Doesn't really bother me. At all. And why should it?

    The defense presented NO DEFENSE in the second trial, and not much
    of one in the first trial. Every Senator, not just Mitt Romney, knew
    Trump was guilty as sin.

    Followers of Donald Trump have no conscience.

    For Life,
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Friday, June 09, 2023 17:58:37
    Hello Mike,

    I do not see at all how this could remotely be a
    possibility if it has already been established that neither
    the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired
    or coordinated with the Russian government.

    No one has said that there was conspiracy or coordination.

    Maybe you did not, but I know we had at least two regular posters... one who is still posting and one that has disappeared... who claimed that Russian collusion with the Trump campaign was fact.

    Tell us about Paul Manafort.
    And why he was convicted.

    Tell us about Trump's pardon of Paul Manafort.
    And why he pardoned the fucking traitor.

    Thanks for playing.

    IIRC, both Adam Schiff (many times) and Nancy Pelosi (at least once) also claimed it was fact.

    Paul Manafort was convicted of real crimes committed.
    Donald Trump pardoned the traitor, for reasons of his own.

    But hey. You believe whatever the fuck you want.
    I don't really give a shit.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, June 09, 2023 07:28:15
    On 09 Jun 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    BUT it did show that Comey was the second FBI directory to be fired b president.

    Google is also not a source. For anything. It is just a search
    engine. It does exactly what it was designed to do. It searches.


    Right, it's not an authority... I used it to search... and I found articles... more than one... that said that Comey wasn't the first FBI director fired from a President, and he shouldn't be the last... I think Wray should be fired for what he's doing.

    Google did not act as an authority ... but it did show me some articles that showed me you were WRONG!!!

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, June 09, 2023 07:36:11
    On 09 Jun 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Who is going to hold Trump accountable for his pardon of Paul
    Manafort? Certainly not Vladimir Putin and his pals ...


    I was watching a video last night where someone gave some logic as to Trump having pardoned himself before leaving office, he called it a pocket pardon.

    Constitutions says...."and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

    Quite clear in the text... only one offense where he can't pardon... Impeachment... The democrats tried twice and failed on that. It would be funny AF if he did this...

    Getting my popcorn, it's going to be an interesting 1.5 years.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, June 09, 2023 15:01:15
    On 09 Jun 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    "At the trial, 57 senators voted "guilty", which was less than the two-thirds majority needed (67) to convict Trump, and 43 senators vot "not guilty", resulting in Trump being acquitted of the charges on February
    13, 2021.[15]"

    It takes two-thirds of those voting to remove a president from
    office. Not two-thirds of the entire membership of the Senate.
    That is why none of the "crimes" the House had charged him with
    mattered. The only question on the ballot was should the bastard
    be removed from office? If two-thirds of those voting had said
    "yes" it would have been "Bye-Bye".


    No, this is completely false... After the house impeaches the president he stands in trial. The head of the Supreme court acts as the Judge and the Senators act as the jury and it takes 2/3 vote, or 67 votes out of 100 to convict. After the evidence was shown in the trial part they never got enough to convict... Ergo... Trump was exonerated... Just like a regular jury trial..

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Friday, June 09, 2023 23:46:00
    On 06-08-23 18:40, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: FBI <=-


    I do not see at all how this could remotely be a
    possibility if it has already been established that neither
    the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired
    or coordinated with the Russian government.

    No one has said that there was conspiracy or coordination.

    Maybe you did not, but I know we had at least two regular posters...
    one who is still posting and one that has disappeared... who claimed
    that Russian collusion with the Trump campaign was fact.

    There are multiple terms floating around. Conspiracy is a legal term,
    and can be a crime if it is conspiracy to commit a crime. Coordination
    is less well defined. Collusion is a term that has no legal meaning in
    the justice system. Mueller said that there was insufficient evidence
    to prove conspiracy (back in the 2016 campaign days). There was
    evidence of some degree of sharing of information between campaign
    individuals and Russian operatives -- but not enough to establish a
    crime.

    IIRC, both Adam Schiff (many times) and Nancy Pelosi (at least once)
    also claimed it was fact.

    I don't recall that they did, or that they did not make that claim --
    not which term they might have used -- conspiracy, collusion, or
    cooperation.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, June 09, 2023 23:59:04
    On 06-09-23 07:51, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: FBI <=-


    I stated the facts, not liberal nor conservative. You are the one
    trying to create an argument against a narrative that was never stated.

    I am not buying your innocent elixir, or that I am trying
    to create any such argument.

    The entirety of lets get Trump on charges is wrong.

    It is not "lets [sic] get Trump on charges", it is "let's charge and
    convict those who violate the law".

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to IB Joe on Saturday, June 10, 2023 13:55:14
    Hello Joe,

    BUT it did show that Comey was the second FBI directory to be
    fired b
    president.

    Google is also not a source. For anything. It is just a search
    engine. It does exactly what it was designed to do. It searches.


    Right, it's not an authority... I used it to search... and I found articles... more than one... that said that Comey wasn't the first FBI director fired from a President, and he shouldn't be the last... I think Wray should be fired for what he's doing.

    Biden wants to keep Wray around. At least for now. But not to
    worry. He will be letting him go, in 2007, wishing him a happy
    retirement.

    Google did not act as an authority ... but it did show me some articles that
    showed me you were WRONG!!!

    Unlike Trump, I do not claim, nor have I ever claimed, that I am
    perfect. But I could be mistaken.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Saturday, June 10, 2023 08:35:06
    IB Joe wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Google did not act as an authority ... but it did show me some articles that showed me you were WRONG!!!

    Uh, oh. Lee just got triggered. Nothing infuriates an Ignorant Elistist as being shown to be wrong.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Saturday, June 10, 2023 08:35:06
    IB Joe wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    No, this is completely false... After the house impeaches the president
    he stands in trial. The head of the Supreme court acts as the Judge
    and the Senators act as the jury and it takes 2/3 vote, or 67 votes out
    of 100 to convict. After the evidence was shown in the trial part they never got enough to convict... Ergo... Trump was exonerated... Just
    like a regular jury trial..

    Ignorant Elitists like Lee never let facts get in the way of a good Narrative.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome is still going strong in the Ignorant Elitists.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Saturday, June 10, 2023 11:13:13
    On 10 Jun 2023, Ron L. said the following...

    IB Joe wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Google did not act as an authority ... but it did show me some articl that showed me you were WRONG!!!

    Uh, oh. Lee just got triggered. Nothing infuriates an Ignorant
    Elistist as being shown to be wrong.


    HAHAHA...

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Saturday, June 10, 2023 14:37:00
    Google did not act as an authority ... but it did show me some articles that showed me you were WRONG!!!

    Uh, oh. Lee just got triggered. Nothing infuriates an Ignorant Elistist as being shown to be wrong.

    Especially the one in question.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, June 11, 2023 11:25:53
    On 09 Jun 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 06-09-23 07:51, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: FBI <=-


    I stated the facts, not liberal nor conservative. You are the one trying to create an argument against a narrative that was never stated

    I am not buying your innocent elixir, or that I am trying
    to create any such argument.

    The entirety of lets get Trump on charges is wrong.

    It is not "lets [sic] get Trump on charges", it is "let's charge and convict those who violate the law".

    Shouldn't the law apply to everyone equally?

    Hillary Clinton deleted 33,000 emails from her private server that was in a broom closet (that she was not authorized to have in the first place.)
    She smashed up blackberries with a hammer, wiped servers clean
    (and no not with a cloth or something.)
    Using Bleach-bit which is a very expensive process.
    Remember what is was that James Comey said?
    "No reasonable prosecutor would bring this case."

    Sleepy Uncle Joe Biden
    Biden had 1850 boxes of classified documents that were sprawled across numerous states.

    At his Delaware home in the garage next to the corvette.

    At The Penn Biden Center
    Sources: FBI conducted undisclosed search of Biden's private office in November. WASHINGTON The FBI searched the offices of the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in mid-November after classified documents were discovered there, two senior law enforcement officials confirmed
    Tuesday.Jan 31, 2023

    Chinatown Washington, D.C.
    https://tinyurl.com/2whka6b5
    There seems to be a convincing and quite an alarming
    Chinese Communist Party connection.

    A government watchdog is demanding the US attorney probing Hunter Biden in Delaware investigate tens of millions in anonymous donations from China to the University of Pennsylvania, where an academic center is named for his father, President Biden.

    The Ivy League college raked in a total of $54.6 million from 2014 through June 2019 in donations from China, including $23.1 million in anonymous gifts starting in 2016, according to public records.

    Most of the anonymous donations came after the university announced in February 2017 that it would create the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. Joe Biden, whose term as vice president had just ended, was to lead the center and was also named a professor at the university.

    The center, which is located in Washington, DC, opened its doors in February 2018. Antony Blinken, whom Biden named as secretary of state, briefly served as its managing director. The very same Antony Blinken that is now Secretary of State of which was reward as seen within the url that is below.

    More on this this "Made Man" Antony (wink-wink) Blinken.
    URL: https://tinyurl.com/bdd2hzka

    SEAN HANNITY: We begin with breaking developments as it relates to the scandal in Biden's White House. It's bad. Now tonight, two top officials, Secretary of State "Tony Winking Blinken" and Attorney General "Merrick I Politicize the Justice Department Garland" have been credibly accused of serious misconduct, and it all revolves around who else? Hunter Biden. All right. Now breaking tonight, we're learning that your Secretary of State is shady, he's lying, he's a hack, he's not to be trusted. Now, remember, remember that bogus October 2020 letter? 51 former intel experts all claiming that the Hunter Biden laptop had, quote, all of the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation. They all said this with no knowledge at all whatsoever because none of them saw the laptop. Now, this is the very letter that big tech and the media mob used to discredit and censor the very true Hunter Biden laptop story only days before the 2020 presidential election.

    Therefore, it is beyond clear to determine that the Joe Biden is a criminal and it is also not a stretch to conclude that the Biden Family is a criminal family syndicate. Just follow the money of which has been uncovered in all of those Web of Shell Companies to Conceal Foreign Cash
    want more proof: https://tinyurl.com/2p9c6p8v

    Consideration of the above it is now coming into crystal clear focus as to why Merrit-LESS Garland is going after Trump.

    Garland and many Democrats, in their quest to hold Donald Trump accountable under federal statutes relating to record retention and classified information, are operating under the premise that Trump can be treated like any other government employee someone who can be caught up in a legalistic debate about the possession of documents that are arguably classified, and their responsibilities associated with such.

    But that's just not the case.

    Even if Trump did have documents that were once classified containing information critical to the nation's security, documents that he did not readily return to the National Archives or the DOJ, he may well have violated no criminal statute.

    The President of the United States has unlimited access to all classified information. Any other government employee who accesses secret or top-secret information must possess the proper security clearance to do so, which typically entails their undergoing detailed background checks, polygraphs, and continuing responsibilities to report any information that could impact their trustworthiness such as arrests, foreign contacts, and the like.

    But U.S. presidents do not possess any security clearance at all. To the contrary, the president is the [classification authority] with the power to determine who can access classified information, who can be granted security clearances (or have theirs revoked), and even to determine what is considered classified in the first place. The president possesses this power because he is entrusted, among other things, with both the command of our military forces and the international relations that we have with other countries, functions that
    obviously require access to information of the highest sensitivity.

    As seen previously it is the Democrats hands which are filthy and using these very same unwashed hands to point at Trump. Hypocrites- every last one.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, June 12, 2023 02:30:02
    On 06-11-23 11:25, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: FBI <=-


    I stated the facts, not liberal nor conservative. You are the one
    trying to create an argument against a narrative
    that was never stated

    I am not buying your innocent elixir, or that I am trying
    to create any such argument.

    The entirety of lets get Trump on charges is wrong.

    It is not "lets [sic] get Trump on charges", it is "let's charge and convict those who violate the law".

    Shouldn't the law apply to everyone equally?

    Yes.

    Hillary Clinton deleted 33,000 emails from her private
    server that was in a broom closet (that she was not
    authorized to have in the first place.)
    She smashed up blackberries with a hammer, wiped servers clean
    (and no not with a cloth or something.)
    Using Bleach-bit which is a very expensive process.
    Remember what is was that James Comey said?
    "No reasonable prosecutor would bring this case."

    Were those emails classified? Yes, she had a private server for emails.
    That was not unusual for the previous Secretaries. I seem to recall
    that none of the emails were marked as being classified -- compare that
    to the documents that Trump had and hid. The quote from Comey implies
    that there was not enough evidence of malfeasance to prosecute.

    Sleepy Uncle Joe Biden
    Biden had 1850 boxes of classified documents that were
    sprawled across numerous states.

    And when that was discovered, he invited the DOJ to come search and
    remove any documents that should not be there. He did not hide any
    documents from DOJ.

    Chinatown Washington, D.C.
    https://tinyurl.com/2whka6b5
    There seems to be a convincing and quite an alarming
    Chinese Communist Party connection.

    I watched that video from Fox News. It was a lot of speculation and no
    proof of anything.

    <<SNIP, more "hunter biden this, hunter biden that>>
    Hunter Biden is a separate person from the President, and all of that
    yelling gave no evidence of any illegal connections.

    More on this this "Made Man" Antony (wink-wink) Blinken.
    URL: https://tinyurl.com/bdd2hzka

    More speculation and accusation without presenting any proof of
    anything.

    want more proof: https://tinyurl.com/2p9c6p8v

    I did not see proof of wrong doing. I saw information that may or may
    not lead to proof of something illegal or improper. Most of it seems to
    relate to Hunter Biden. Whether or not there is implication of
    President Biden is not stated, at least not clearly.

    Consideration of the above it is now coming into crystal
    clear focus as to why Merrit-LESS Garland is going after
    Trump.

    None of that has anything to do with the investigation and charges
    against Donald Trump -- which were not done by Merritt Garland.

    Garland and many Democrats, in their quest to hold Donald Trump accountable under federal statutes relating to record retention and classified information, are operating under the premise
    that Trump can be treated like any other government
    employee someone who can be caught up in a legalistic
    debate about the possession of documents that are arguably
    classified, and their responsibilities associated with
    such.

    But that's just not the case.

    That is exactly the case. Donald Trump is not above the law. He is a
    private citizen and is subject to the same laws as you or I.


    Even if Trump did have documents that were once classified
    containing information critical to the nation's security,
    documents that he did not readily return to the National
    Archives or the DOJ, he may well have violated no criminal
    statute.

    Not "may well have violated no criminal statute", but "did violate
    criminal statutes". Plus, the documents were not "once classified",
    they are classified.

    The President of the United States has unlimited access to all
    classified information. Any other government employee who accesses secret or top-secret information must possess the proper
    security clearance to do so, which typically entails their
    undergoing detailed background checks, polygraphs, and
    continuing responsibilities to report any information that
    could impact their trustworthiness such as arrests, foreign
    contacts, and the like.

    But U.S. presidents do not possess any security clearance at all. To
    the contrary, the president is the [classification authority]
    with the power to determine who can access classified
    information, who can be granted security clearances (or
    have theirs revoked), and even to determine what is
    considered classified in the first place. The president
    possesses this power because he is entrusted, among other
    things, with both the command of our military forces and
    the international relations that we have with other
    countries, functions that
    obviously require access to information of the highest sensitivity.

    What you say is true. But you seem to be glossing over the fact that
    Donald Trump is not the President.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Monday, June 12, 2023 16:00:00
    A government watchdog is demanding the US attorney probing Hunter Biden in
    el
    are investigate tens of millions in anonymous donations from China to the
    niv
    sity of Pennsylvania, where an academic center is named for his father,
    resid
    t Biden.

    The Ivy League college raked in a total of $54.6 million from 2014 through
    un
    2019 in donations from China, including $23.1 million in anonymous gifts
    tart
    g in 2016, according to public records.

    I am not at all shocked that a communist country is financially investing
    in US colleges and universities. I don't believe it should be allowed, but
    I am not shocked in the least bit.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to All on Thursday, July 13, 2023 12:27:01
    I read an article the other day... GWP... The FBI posted on Twitter that they wanted the public to report crimes if they were aware of any being committed...

    HAHAHAHAHA... apparently they were overwhelmed by people reporting crimes they have committed.... as well as the Biden family and portions of the government....AKA the Deep State!!!

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/victor-reacts-fbi-overwhelmed-reports- their-own-crimes/

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Ib Joe on Thursday, July 13, 2023 17:28:52
    I read an article the other day... GWP... The FBI posted on Twitter that they
    wanted the public to report crimes if they were aware of any being committed.. >HAHAHAHAHA... apparently they were overwhelmed by people reporting crimes they
    have committed.... as well as the Biden family and portions of the government....AKA the Deep State!!!
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/victor-reacts-fbi-overwhelmed-reports
    their-own-crimes/

    Wikipedia has this to say about The Gateway Pundit..

    The Gateway Pundit is an American far-righ fake news website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

    So why do you follow and publish this kind of nonsense?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Alan Ianson on Friday, July 14, 2023 01:20:15
    Wikipedia has this to say about The Gateway Pundit..

    The Gateway Pundit is an American far-righ fake news website. The
    website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

    Wikipedia is a far-left, liberal website, with ties to big tech. They changed the definition of "vaccine" after the Democrat-developed virus was released.

    They suppress conservative ideas in favor of leftist narratives.

    All media outlets are known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories. Try to name one news outlet that hasn't been guilty of selling fake
    news.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, July 13, 2023 23:03:36
    Wikipedia has this to say about The Gateway Pundit..

    The Gateway Pundit is an American far-righ fake news website. The
    website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy
    theories.

    That's just bullshit.

    Wikipedia is a far-left, liberal website, with ties to big tech. They changed the definition of "vaccine" after the Democrat-developed virus was released.

    Wikipedia is neither left or right and they don't define anything.

    The Gateway Pundit's fame goes far beyond wikipedia.

    They suppress conservative ideas in favor of leftist narratives.

    How so?

    All media outlets are known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories. Try to name one news outlet that hasn't been guilty of selling fake news.

    Oh yes, the media!

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  • From Alexander Grotewohl@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, July 14, 2023 05:27:53
    On 14 Jul 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Wikipedia is a far-left, liberal website, with ties to big tech. They changed the definition of "vaccine" after the Democrat-developed virus
    was released.

    they also have all sorts of meta articles about handling your feelings when people make edits to wiki pages you don't like or don't follow the rules.

    imagine having an echo where we exchanged tips about how not to let posts in political echos hurt our feelings..

    even if some of the stuff on there can be decent there are some pretty unwell editors on there that certainly wouldn't be able to get a job doing what they do..

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Friday, July 14, 2023 19:34:20
    Hello Alan,

    I read an article the other day... GWP... The FBI posted on Twitter that
    they
    wanted the public to report crimes if they were aware of any being
    committed..
    HAHAHAHAHA... apparently they were overwhelmed by people reporting crimes
    they
    have committed.... as well as the Biden family and portions of the
    government....AKA the Deep State!!!
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/victor-reacts-fbi-overwhelmed-reports
    their-own-crimes/

    Wikipedia has this to say about The Gateway Pundit..

    The Gateway Pundit is an American far-righ fake news website. The website is
    known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

    So why do you follow and publish this kind of nonsense?

    While I cannot speak for Joe, what he is saying appears to be very
    similar to what Aaron has recently said -

    "All media outlets are known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and
    conspiracy theories. Try to name one news outlet that hasn't been
    guilty of selling fake news." ~Aaron Thomas

    As you can tell, this is not just about The Gateway Pundit.
    It is about ALL MEDIA OUTLETS. Remember that.

    Oh.

    One more thing.

    Trump never lies.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, July 14, 2023 19:34:38
    Hello Aaron,

    Wikipedia has this to say about The Gateway Pundit..

    The Gateway Pundit is an American far-righ fake news website. The
    website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy
    theories.

    Wikipedia is a far-left, liberal website, with ties to big tech. They changed the definition of "vaccine" after the Democrat-developed
    virus was released.

    Despite your dislike for Wikipedia, how does that change the fact
    about Alan's claim about The Gateway Pundit being "an American
    far-right fake news website that is known for pulishing falsehoods,
    hoaxes, and conspiracy theories"?

    They suppress conservative ideas in favor of leftist narratives.

    Because Aaron Thomas says so?
    Could also be Aaron Thomas is full of beans.
    And likely to fart. Big time.

    All media outlets are known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

    Oh. So now it is not just Wikipedia, but ALL media outlets.
    Aaron Thomas must have eaten a ton of beans. Far too many than
    he should have. Very likely he could explode. At any moment.

    Try to name one news outlet that hasn't been guilty of selling fake
    news.

    Donald Trump will be in Metairie (a suburb of New Orleans)
    on June 25 for a fundraiser. He'll have plenty of fake news
    available for his MAGA nutjobs. All of them believing he is
    selling them truth news.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Alan Ianson on Friday, July 14, 2023 16:06:54
    Wikipedia is a far-left, liberal website, with ties to big tech. They AI> > ch
    the definition of "vaccine" after the Democrat-developed virus was AI> > relea

    Wikipedia is neither left or right and they don't define anything.

    Anyone or anything convincing you of their not being left or right, definitely has you fooled (they may even have themselves fooled.)

    Wikipedia sets narratives just like everyone else. They are content cherry-pickers. They manually review everything people submit, and they delete anything they see as a threat to the globalist agenda.

    For example, you've probably heard about the "Joe Biden White House Cocaine Scandal," but whatever channel you watch, they called it the "Trump left some cocaine behind when he left office" story. Wikipedia throws people that same type of curveballs.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Alexander Grotewohl on Friday, July 14, 2023 16:11:03
    they also have all sorts of meta articles about handling your feelings when people make edits to wiki pages you don't like or don't follow the rules.

    It looks like a simple case of elitists who enjoy the buzz they get from controlling other people.

    imagine having an echo where we exchanged tips about how not to let
    posts in political echos hurt our feelings..

    It would be funny! I'd post in it!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, July 14, 2023 16:19:08
    Wikipedia is a far-left, liberal website, with ties to big tech. LL> AT> LL> AT> They
    changed the definition of "vaccine" after the Democrat-developed virus was released.

    Despite your dislike for Wikipedia, how does that change the fact
    about Alan's claim about The Gateway Pundit being "an American
    far-right fake news website that is known for pulishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories"?

    I've never even heard of The Gateway Pundit. Only leftist lunatics know about it, because it (probably) propagates the idea that "conservatives
    dumb, and they believe stupid things."

    But you and I both know that all media outlets are full of it. You were just agreeing with me on that 2 quarts ago.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, July 14, 2023 15:08:00
    Wikipedia is a far-left, liberal website, with ties to big tech. They changed e definition of "vaccine" after the Democrat-developed virus was released.

    They also had to lock down the definition of "recession" because people
    kept changing to to make sure that the state of affairs at that time (2022) didn't fit the definition.

    I know for fact that, although Al used Wikipedia as his source here, if you
    use it to prove Al is wrong he won't buy what is said there, either.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Friday, July 14, 2023 15:07:00
    Wikipedia has this to say about The Gateway Pundit..

    The Gateway Pundit is an American far-righ fake news website. The
    website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy
    theories.

    That's just bullshit.

    Language.

    Then again, I have to give you points for honestly... after all, that is
    your own quote that you called BS.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alexander Grotewohl on Friday, July 14, 2023 17:55:07
    On 14 Jul 2023, Alexander Grotewohl said the following...

    imagine having an echo where we exchanged tips about how not to let
    posts in political echos hurt our feelings..

    I am Conservative, so my feelings are never hurt, but it does get old to see the left-wing deniers, that say everything that we as Conservatives say or have to offer is conspiracy, or they they have some bone-head analogy as they try to defend their positions.

    Should of been here back in 2016 before the election, when there was a whole lot of Donald Trump will never be President, that was fun.

    What is even more comical now is when they TRY to defend Joe Biden.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Friday, July 14, 2023 17:16:58
    On 13 Jul 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Wikipedia has this to say about The Gateway Pundit..

    The Gateway Pundit is an American far-righ fake news website. The
    website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

    So why do you follow and publish this kind of nonsense?


    Well, I don't put much credence to Wikipedia much... and the GWP happens to be ranked #1 in online news source... I go to other places as well...

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Mike Powell on Friday, July 14, 2023 20:50:44
    I know for fact that, although Al used Wikipedia as his source here, if you use it to prove Al is wrong he won't buy what is said there, either.

    It's all hearsay, until Olivia Rodrigo says otherwise.

    Right Al? Or is it Bon Jovi that we're trying to appeal to? lol <jk>

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Friday, July 14, 2023 18:32:26
    The Gateway Pundit is an American far-righ fake news website. The
    website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy
    theories.

    So why do you follow and publish this kind of nonsense?

    Well, I don't put much credence to Wikipedia much... and the GWP happens to be ranked #1 in online news source... I go to other places as well...

    "and the GWP happens to be ranked #1 in online news source..."

    Where did you see that?

    The gateway pundit is just another disinformation machine.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, July 15, 2023 06:44:33
    Hello Aaron,

    Wikipedia is a far-left, liberal website, with ties to big tech.
    They
    changed the definition of "vaccine" after the Democrat-developed
    virus was released.

    Despite your dislike for Wikipedia, how does that change the fact
    about Alan's claim about The Gateway Pundit being "an American
    far-right fake news website that is known for pulishing falsehoods,
    hoaxes, and conspiracy theories"?

    I've never even heard of The Gateway Pundit.

    After Alan mentioned The Gateway Pundit, you responded with -

    "All media outlets are known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and
    conspiracy theories. Try to name one news outlet that hasn't been
    guilty of selling fake news."

    Only leftist lunatics know about it,

    You said "all media outlets" - barring none. I reckon that
    includes Fox Propaganda channel? My, my ...

    because it (probably) propagates the idea that "conservatives
    dumb, and they believe stupid things."

    Except for Tucker Carlson, who is in a world of his own?

    But you and I both know that all media outlets are full of it.
    You were just agreeing with me on that 2 quarts ago.

    Cajuns can never get enough of it. Crawfish, that is.
    Pinch da tails, suck da heads.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, July 15, 2023 07:25:43
    Only leftist lunatics know about it,

    You said "all media outlets" - barring none. I reckon that
    includes Fox Propaganda channel? My, my ...

    Fox News is near the top of the list of fake news. They're propagandists. Currently, they want everyone to be scared of AI so that the Democrats can pass a bill relating to it. Pure propaganda. Fox News also clearly wants Ron DeSantis (or Biden) for president, which is not ideal for conservatives/warmbloods.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, July 15, 2023 08:31:32
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Fox News is near the top of the list of fake news. They're
    propagandists.

    When they got rid of Tucker, that was the final proof for me.

    When companies do things that go counter to their best financial interests then politics are involved.

    Currently, they want everyone to be scared of AI so that
    the Democrats can pass a bill relating to it.

    Which would be the standard play.
    1. Demonize something.
    2. Wait for their minions to yell that the gov't needs to "do something".
    3. Pass yet another unconstitutional law that gives them more power.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Saturday, July 15, 2023 08:46:00
    Should of been here back in 2016 before the election, when there was a whole

    of Donald Trump will never be President, that was fun.

    And then, when he was elected, most of them switched to "he isn't my President."


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Saturday, July 15, 2023 10:55:27
    On 15 Jul 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

    Should of been here back in 2016 before the election, when there was a wh

    of Donald Trump will never be President, that was fun.

    And then, when he was elected, most of them switched to "he isn't my President."
    I heard about the crying rooms at liberal universities w/ coloring books and hot chocolate as well to help them cope w/ reality that Trump was the President.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, July 15, 2023 10:20:34
    On 14 Jul 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...


    "and the GWP happens to be ranked #1 in online news source..."

    Where did you see that?

    The gateway pundit is just another disinformation machine.


    I think Wikipedia... I did NOT ask you top read their opinion... I said watch the video at the end where you can see a man talking and answering with his own words expressing his own opinion ... You didn't have to take GWP opinion on the man speaking... look at the video and form your own.

    I don't reject out of had an article that comes from left leaning news sources... Not so trusted anymore... The left leaning news sources that told us that Hunter's Laptop was Russian disinformation, later to tell us that it's actually Hunter's Laptop... The Same media that told us that the virus never came from the lab, later to tell us it probably did. The same news sources that told us that the vaccines work, wear a mask and social distance... was all later recanted ...

    So I read everything skeptically... regardless of the source... and try to see if there is evidence out there to support what I just read...

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/thank-900-million-times-gateway-pundit -saw-34-traffic-increase-2021-mainstream-media-saw-36-decrease-truth-matters/

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Saturday, July 15, 2023 10:59:00
    The gateway pundit is just another disinformation machine.

    I think Wikipedia... I did NOT ask you top read their opinion... I said watch
    the video at the end where you can see a man talking and answering with his ow >words expressing his own opinion ... You didn't have to take GWP opinion on th
    man speaking... look at the video and form your own.

    I'll take a few minutes to read/understand your views whether I agree or not but I am not a follower of TGP because it is a well known garbage dump.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Ron L. on Saturday, July 15, 2023 15:16:34
    Currently, they want everyone to be scared of AI so that
    the Democrats can pass a bill relating to it.

    Which would be the standard play.
    1. Demonize something.
    2. Wait for their minions to yell that the gov't needs to "do something". 3. Pass yet another unconstitutional law that gives them more power.

    Biden might get re-elected for saving America from the "dangers of AI" just like how he "saved us all from the dangers of white supremacists."

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, July 15, 2023 15:13:44
    On 15 Jul 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...


    I'll take a few minutes to read/understand your views whether I agree or not but I am not a follower of TGP because it is a well known garbage dump.


    It's not well known for that.. Anyway, baby steps....

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Saturday, July 15, 2023 20:21:26
    I'll take a few minutes to read/understand your views whether I agree or
    not but I am not a follower of TGP because it is a well known garbage
    dump.

    It's not well known for that..

    That's exactly what it is.

    Anyway, baby steps....

    I won't be stepping toward TGP at all. I suppose TGP might have some entertainment value if you are looking for conspiracies or straight up lies but there is no factual information there.

    It is part of the right wing disinformation machine.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, July 16, 2023 08:45:38
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Biden might get re-elected for saving America from the "dangers of AI" just like how he "saved us all from the dangers of white supremacists."

    I doubt that he would get re-elected for that.

    But I can see the gov't requiring their approval for putting some sort of AI in your product.

    Remember: The goal here is control. The Elitists get to decide the winners and losers. And you can bet that a plebe won't be a winner.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sunday, July 16, 2023 08:47:00
    And then, when he was elected, most of them switched to "he isn't my President."
    I heard about the crying rooms at liberal universities w/ coloring books and
    o
    chocolate as well to help them cope w/ reality that Trump was the President.

    I think those safe spaces exist for other reasons, too, but yeah I heard
    some stories about such things. Never saw any legit news stories about it, just people saying things like "at my college..."

    Remembering some of the things that happened when I was in/working at a
    college (1988-1993), I have little doubt such things happened.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, July 16, 2023 13:25:22
    On 15 Jul 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    It is part of the right wing disinformation machine.


    And you're too busy with the left wing disinformation machines to need any competition....

    I understand

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sunday, July 16, 2023 16:27:46
    It is part of the right wing disinformation machine.

    And you're too busy with the left wing disinformation machines to need any competition....

    What disinformation is that? Talk of whistleblowers?

    I understand

    Good to hear.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:123/525 to Ron L. on Sunday, July 16, 2023 22:15:50
    But I can see the gov't requiring their approval for putting some sort
    of AI in your product.

    Democrats/RINOs/The Uniparty <- they will have no problem signing off on it.

    Remember: The goal here is control. The Elitists get to decide the winners and losers. And you can bet that a plebe won't be a winner.

    It's just like running a business diligently; you don't let "unprofitable" stuff happen.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Monday, July 17, 2023 11:27:24
    On 16 Jul 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    And you're too busy with the left wing disinformation machines to need a competition....

    What disinformation is that? Talk of whistleblowers?


    Rachel Maddow, Joy Ried, CNN, MSNBC and the like!!! I'm glad you brought whistleblowers in.... Like the ones from the FBI, IRS and other facets of the government that are testifying against the Biden Crime family.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Monday, July 17, 2023 17:20:52
    What disinformation is that? Talk of whistleblowers?

    Rachel Maddow, Joy Ried, CNN, MSNBC and the like!!! I'm glad you brought whistleblowers in.... Like the ones from the FBI, IRS and other facets of the government that are testifying against the Biden Crime family.

    Rachel Maddow and Joy Ried are not whistleblowers.

    Gal Luft is not a whistleblower either.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, July 18, 2023 11:04:11
    On 17 Jul 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Rachel Maddow and Joy Ried are not whistleblowers.


    Conspiracy Theorists

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Tuesday, July 18, 2023 15:45:14
    Rachel Maddow and Joy Ried are not whistleblowers.

    Conspiracy Theorists

    That's the usual MAGA spin.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Wednesday, July 19, 2023 07:21:14
    IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Rachel Maddow and Joy Ried are not whistleblowers.

    Conspiracy Theorists

    No. Propagandists.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Wednesday, July 19, 2023 08:13:48
    On 19 Jul 2023, Ron L. said the following...

    IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Rachel Maddow and Joy Ried are not whistleblowers.

    Conspiracy Theorists

    No. Propagandists.

    You got that right mate!!!

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