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  • Think too far ahead

    From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to All on Monday, January 25, 2021 20:18:16
    The Keystone XL Pipeline project, which would have delivered oil from Canada to the USA, has been cancelled by Biden's pile of executive orders.

    The pipeline would have curbed emissions by removing the need for tankers to transport the oil on the roads.

    The pipeline itself was a work in progress which would have employed an estimated 11,000 Americans as of this year.

    The Democrat argument here is that the oil won't be used if it doesn't get here, thereby reducing emissions. However, the Republican argument is that the Americans don't consume oil based on where it comes from.

    We're gonna buy expensive oil from the middle east or we're gonna buy cheap
    oil from Canada - whatever it takes so we can put gas in the car and keep
    our homes warm.

    Didn't somebody once say that shipping oil across the ocean was good for the environment though? Maybe that's the subliminal message from Democrats.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 25, 2021 18:41:35
    Re: Think too far ahead
    By: Aaron Thomas to All on Mon Jan 25 2021 08:18 pm

    The Keystone XL Pipeline project, which would have delivered oil from Canada to the USA, has been cancelled by Biden's pile of executive orders.

    That pipeline is an old project from 2005. It was off in the Obama years and after Trump was elected it was back on again, for that time. It is no surprise to me that it is off again.

    There just isn't demand for Canadian oil today. The bulk of Canadian oil shipped to the US goes by rail and that seems to get the job done.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 25, 2021 22:23:13
    Re: Think too far ahead
    By: Aaron Thomas to All on Mon Jan 25 2021 08:18 pm

    We're gonna buy expensive oil from the middle east or we're gonna buy cheap oil from Canada - whatever it takes so we can put gas in the car and keep our homes warm.

    The majority of US oil comes from Texas (41.4%), North Dakota (11.6%), New Mexico (7.4%), Oklahoma (4.7%), and Colorado (4.2%). The United States actually produces more of the world's oil than the Middle East (15% to 12%). We export more than we import. (source is eia.gov)

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 13:44:23
    Hello Aaron,

    The Keystone XL Pipeline project, which would have delivered oil from Canada
    to the USA, has been cancelled by Biden's pile of executive orders.

    Hooray! Saving the environment is a necessity.

    The pipeline would have curbed emissions by removing the need for tankers to
    transport the oil on the roads.

    The pipeline was intended to be built right through the Atchafalaya
    Basin - the largest swamp in North America. If you think the BP oil
    spill disaster was something, this would have been far worse. The
    Atchafalaya Basin covers an area 50 miles wide and 150 miles long.
    No wildlife or aquatic life would have survived. Not to mention
    the trees and other plant life.

    America would have lost a treasure no other place in the world has.
    All because of the greed of oil companies, and those who want to give
    them free reign.

    The pipeline itself was a work in progress which would have employed an estimated 11,000 Americans as of this year.

    Far from it. Temporary workers at minimal cost to build the pipeline,
    and then a small number to maintain it. Once destroyed, the areas
    affected would not be able to be cleaned up. And whatever fines that
    would be imposed would amount to nothing.

    This country needs to go green. Fossil fuels are a thing of the past,
    and should be discarded now rather than later.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 04:15:37
    There just isn't demand for Canadian oil today. The bulk of Canadian oil shipped to the US goes by rail and that seems to get the job done.

    That sounds good I guess. But I never knew there was an international rail
    from Canada to the USA. That sounds like a security flaw!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 13:38:38
    Far from it. Temporary workers at minimal cost to build the pipeline,
    and then a small number to maintain it. Once destroyed, the areas
    affected would not be able to be cleaned up. And whatever fines that
    would be imposed would amount to nothing.

    It seems more efficient to use a pipe than to use trucks or the railroad.
    We've already got pipelines carrying natural gas, all over the USA. Crude oil seems harmless in comparison whereas it won't explode.

    This country needs to go green. Fossil fuels are a thing of the past,
    and should be discarded now rather than later.

    We've got electric cars, but we've got electricity being produced by coal. So if we aren't destroying the earth one way we're destroying it the other. Even if everyone used nuclear power, the environment is still screwed.

    People living in rural areas have no choice but to use oil to heat their
    homes, because there is no natural gas pipeline in rural areas. (Not in my area.)

    How do we get retirees to buy electric cars, and how do we heat homes in rural areas without oil? What is clean energy? How do we get Joe Biden to stop using gimmicks that have long term effects on peoples' lives?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 14:03:00
    We're gonna buy expensive oil from the middle east or we're gonna buy cheap oil from Canada - whatever it takes so we can put gas in the car and keep
    our homes warm.

    Make Saudi Arabia great again. I agree, making the pipeline disappear just means we are going to be buying it from somewhere else. People might cut
    back travel some if gas gets too high... which isn't too good for the
    economy. Most of our oil currently comes from the US, for the moment.

    I have been re-watching the Expanse. It is a TV show based on some books.
    The Earth expands out to colonize Mars, which eventually breaks off into an independent republic. Anyway, the Earth is portrayed as a welfare state
    where no one works, everyone who isn't in the military or government lives on "basic" (assistance) and (apparently) a large population of NYC lives on the streets. The people who want to work to make a better life have mostly left for Mars or work in the asteroid belt (which is slummy like Earth).

    Out of all of the interesting science things that are portrayed as possible ~200 years from now, I suspect the one thing most likely to come true is
    that portrayal of Earth as a "socialist utopia" crap-hole.

    Didn't somebody once say that shipping oil across the ocean was good for the environment though? Maybe that's the subliminal message from Democrats.

    It isn't when the tanker crashes.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BRIAN KLAUSS on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 13:43:00
    The majority of US oil comes from Texas (41.4%), North Dakota (11.6%), New Mexi
    o (7.4%), Oklahoma (4.7%), and Colorado (4.2%). The United States actually pro
    uces more of the world's oil than the Middle East (15% to 12%). We export more
    than we import. (source is eia.gov)

    We do currently, after 4 years of....


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 13:47:00
    That sounds good I guess. But I never knew there was an international rail from Canada to the USA. That sounds like a security flaw!

    Canadian Pacific and Canadian National, two Canadian railways, own or have owned a lot of rail mileage in the US. One of them (forget which)
    currently owns the former Illinois Central, that runs from New Orleans up
    to Chicago, while another one of them (forget which) owns the former
    Milwaukee Road and the former Soo Line.

    Meanwhile, the Kansas City Southern owns, or did own, a railway in Mexico.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 14:35:05
    Re: Re: Think too far ahead
    By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Tue Jan 26 2021 04:15 am

    That sounds good I guess. But I never knew there was an international rail from Canada to the USA. That sounds like a security flaw!

    Rail is just one way of getting stuff where it needs to go. A pipeline or highway is another. Take your pick.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 23:17:58
    I have been re-watching the Expanse. It is a TV show based on some
    books. The Earth expands out to colonize Mars, which eventually breaks

    I'll check it out. Someone should make a series about Bil Gates trying to monopolize food. That would be hilarious in a dark way!

    I don't have anything against Elon Musk, but I bet he would be the first of
    the ultra wealthy elite to settle in space privately. When people have the money to make stuff happen, they have great success. That's probably what the Biden family is saving up for.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 23:26:36
    Meanwhile, the Kansas City Southern owns, or did own, a railway in
    Mexico.

    Maybe it's easier than it looks to keep those international trains secure. It sounds risky though.

    I'd opt for international surveillance at those loading docks!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 00:00:24
    Rail is just one way of getting stuff where it needs to go. A pipeline or highway is another. Take your pick.

    It's hard to say it's ok though. These contractors were banking on finishing the project. It's only ok for us because we didn't invest in it.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 19:01:51
    Re: Re: Think too far ahead
    By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Wed Jan 27 2021 12:00 am

    It's hard to say it's ok though. These contractors were banking on finishing the project. It's only ok for us because we didn't invest in it.

    Yep, there are miles and miles of pipe (big expensive pipe) laid out along the route in Alberta ready to be put together. Somebody had to pay for that pipe and what they are going to do with it now, I have no idea. Maybe they can find someone building a pipeline and sell it to them.

    There is going to be some litigation and already the right is in the house of commons telling the left you should have done this/that.

    It comes down to planning. It's OK to hope for the best but you should plan for the worst.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 03:58:59
    It comes down to planning. It's OK to hope for the best but you should plan for the worst.

    You're right about that. In our case, the 2 political parties need to communicate more. If they (Democrats) were so opposed to this, then Trump shouldn't have signed an executive order. Now I know what it's like to feel
    the burn of executive orders.

    Trump's executive orders, just like Biden's, are a cop-out when they really need to negotiate stuff like immigration with the other party. Biden is no better, he's doing the same crap. Hopefully the next president will handle immigration the legislative way.

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