Some people have accused Trump of "court packing" because he nominated a supreme court justice near the end of his term. However, Trump did NOT
increase the # of justices, so therefore he didn't "pack the court," but he broke tradition (supposedly.)

Joe Biden, on the other hand, has indicated that he plans to "study court packing," to probably seal the the deal in the federal government: The USSC.

Surely Democrats have taken note of Republican nominated majority (6 to 3) and they're not happy about it. It greatly reduces Democrat success in rulings. So why not fix the final frontier in the federal government?

Trump was a little absolute with his administration - so what choice does Joe have but to fight back? By saying "I'm gonna study it," it's safe to say that he's going to executive order it.

I sorta get why he says "study it." He can "pack" the court with as many liberals as he wants, but the Senate will still have to confirm the picks.
This will be the ultimate breaking point where we see if the 5 fake Republican senators will use their veto power to thwart Joe's court-packing movement.

My assumption is that those 5 senators will vote with Democrats on anything that comes their way. Will 5 Republican yays be enough to confirm a justice?

I'm hoping they deem any "packed nominees" as unconstitutional, despite any qualifications they may have.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

Some people have accused Trump of "court packing" because he nominated
a supreme court justice near the end of his term. However, Trump did
NOT increase the # of justices, so therefore he didn't "pack the
court," but he broke tradition (supposedly.)

I haven't heard of anyone using "Court Packing" referring to ACB's
nomination and push through the confirmation in record time DURING AN ELECTION, while Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham made their hypocrisy apparent by both acting to expedite ACB's confirmation in 8 days while they put the brakes on Merrick Garland with 278 days until the election.

That's partisanship and hypocrisy on a dangerously high level, not court packing.

Or, maybe it was Kavanaugh's sketchy finances, serial sexual abuse claims
and a lackluster inquiry. "Boys will be Boys" doesn't cover the latter, and the former paints a picture of a bought Supreme Court Justice.

That's partisanship and dereliction of duty, not court packing.

Joe Biden, on the other hand, has indicated that he plans to "study
court packing," to probably seal the the deal in the federal
government: The USSC.

You should read the history of the Supreme Court - hint, there have been 13 judges at one point.

Trump was a little absolute with his administration - so what choice
does Joe have but to fight back? By saying "I'm gonna study it," it's
safe to say that he's going to executive order it.

He doesn't need to use an executive order, he just needs to appoint a judge and have the legislative branch confirm it.

I'm hoping they deem any "packed nominees" as unconstitutional, despite any qualifications they may have.

I'd rather they do a proper inquiry into Kavanaugh and impeach him if impropriety is found, follow the money and see where it leads. Then confirm Merrick Garland, then we can talk about adding additional judges on the
bench.


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I haven't heard of anyone using "Court Packing" referring to ACB's nomination and push through the confirmation in record time DURING AN ELECTION, while Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham made their hypocrisy apparent by both acting to expedite ACB's confirmation in 8 days while they put the brakes on Merrick Garland with 278 days until the election.

The difference was when Obama was in office his party did not hold the
Senate. In Trumps case they did.

Or, maybe it was Kavanaugh's sketchy finances, serial sexual abuse
claims and a lackluster inquiry. "Boys will be Boys" doesn't cover the latter, and the former paints a picture of a bought Supreme Court
Justice.

Please he was thoroughly investigated by the FBI for his prior court appointment THEN investigated again for his appointment to the supreme court. This kind of BS from the democrats has got to stop.

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Hello Aaron,

Some people have accused Trump of "court packing" because he nominated a supreme court justice near the end of his term. However, Trump did NOT increase the # of justices, so therefore he didn't "pack the court," but he
broke tradition (supposedly.)

Abraham Lincoln increased the number of justices on the USSC to ten.
Does that count? Fact of the matter is, the US Constitution makes no
mention of the number of justices there should be on the USSC. Just
so happened that George Washington chose the number nine as his
favorite number. And the Senate gladly confirmed all his choices.

Joe Biden, on the other hand, has indicated that he plans to "study court packing," to probably seal the the deal in the federal government: The USSC.

A commission to conduct a 180-day study as to how to find ways to
make the USSC better does not equal the same thing as "study court
packing".

FDR tried to "pack the court" back in 1937 with a majority Democratic
Senate and failed miserably. Biden is no dummy, and certainly knows
better than to do that, or even try. So what will he do? He will ask
the Senate to study the recommendations made by the commission and
come up with solutions that work.

Surely Democrats have taken note of Republican nominated majority (6 to 3) and they're not happy about it. It greatly reduces Democrat success in rulings. So why not fix the final frontier in the federal government?

There are many reasons why President Biden authorized a commission
to conduct a 180-day study on the matter. The majority swings back
and forth over time, but that is just a matter of math given a set
number of justices. However, there is absolutely nothing in the US
Constitution mandating the number of justices to be set at nine, or
any other number. Sen. Bernie Sanders likes the number 15. Maybe
even 17 or 19. I kinda like the number 23. But who's counting?

Trump was a little absolute with his administration - so what choice does Joe have but to fight back? By saying "I'm gonna study it," it's safe to say that he's going to executive order it.

The POTUS cannot increase the number of justices on the USSC
by executive order. But he can nominate any number he likes and
have them all confirmed by the Senate.

I sorta get why he says "study it."

He appointed a commission to study it.

He can "pack" the court with as many liberals as he wants, but the Senate will still have to confirm the picks.

With no filibuster in place he will be sure to do exactly that.
But being a nice guy, President Biden is allowing Mitch McConnell
six months to think things over before pulling the trigger on
that one. Just enough time to let him review the commission's
recommendations.

This will be the ultimate breaking point where we see if the 5 fake Republican senators will use their veto power to thwart Joe's court-packing
movement.

There are many different ways President Biden can get his way
without having to resort to "packing the court", as FDR tried to
do. And having decades of legislative experience in the Senate,
he knows exactly how to do it.

My assumption is that those 5 senators will vote with Democrats on anything
that comes their way. Will 5 Republican yays be enough to confirm a justice?

The filibuster is a rule. Just a rule. All it takes to get rid
of a rule is majority vote. With the VP voting to break a tie.
You know what that means.

You honestly think 5 Republicans are needed to confirm a justice
nominated by President Biden? Think again.

All it takes is 50 Democrats + the President of the Senate
(Kamala Harris). Eat your heart out, Mitch McConnell.

I'm hoping they deem any "packed nominees" as unconstitutional, despite any
qualifications they may have.

Read the fucking US Constitution. Show me where it specifies
the number of justices. Show me. If you can.

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I'm hoping they deem any "packed nominees" as unconstitutional, despi any
qualifications they may have.

Read the fucking US Constitution. Show me where it specifies
the number of justices. Show me. If you can.

Why do you get so mad? We call it "packing the court" when a president adds more justices. I didn't say there has to be 9, but I said there is 9.

Why fix something that isn't broken? Why "study" something that doesn't need
to be studied? When Joe was campaigning he said he wouldn't pack the court,
but now he's got a panel of "experts" "studying" to see if perhaps doing the opposite of what he said he wouldn't do will be feasible after all.

Did you forget to stock your liquor cabinet or were you assaulted by a conservative again?

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Hello Jeff,

I haven't heard of anyone using "Court Packing" referring to ACB's
nomination and push through the confirmation in record time DURING AN
ELECTION, while Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham made their hypocrisy
apparent by both acting to expedite ACB's confirmation in 8 days while
they put the brakes on Merrick Garland with 278 days until the
election.

The difference was when Obama was in office his party did not hold the Senate. In Trumps case they did.

Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate during the
first two years of Obama's presidency. Republicans controlled both
houses of Congress during Obama's last six years.

Or, maybe it was Kavanaugh's sketchy finances, serial sexual abuse
claims and a lackluster inquiry. "Boys will be Boys" doesn't cover the
latter, and the former paints a picture of a bought Supreme Court
Justice.

Please he was thoroughly investigated by the FBI for his prior court appointment THEN investigated again for his appointment to the supreme court. This kind of BS from the democrats has got to stop.

Kavanaugh was never given a lie detector test, unlike his accuser.
There were also a lot of other holes in Kavanaugh's story, as the
investigation was very shallow so as to get him confirmed as fast
as possible.

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On 01-28-21 04:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about Biden Court Packing <=-

Surely Democrats have taken note of Republican nominated majority (6
to 3) and they're not happy about it. It greatly reduces Democrat
success in rulings. So why not fix the final frontier in the federal government?

And yet, many of the Trump appointed judges and justices have ruled
against him -- meaning that although they may be conservative they still believe in the law and the constitution.

Dale Shipp
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Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

Why do you get so mad?

Because Lefties like Lee can't handle reality and don't like being reminded
of their hypocracy.


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And yet, many of the Trump appointed judges and justices have ruled against him -- meaning that although they may be conservative they still believe in the law and the constitution.

They ruled in favor of his "Remain in Mexico" policy. But did Biden sign an executive order that over-rules their ruling? (Is that possible?)

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Hello Dale,

Surely Democrats have taken note of Republican nominated majority (6
to 3) and they're not happy about it. It greatly reduces Democrat
success in rulings. So why not fix the final frontier in the federal
government?

And yet, many of the Trump appointed judges and justices have ruled against him -- meaning that although they may be conservative they still believe in the law and the constitution.

Law and Order. That's what we had in the Old South for centuries.
Until those damyankees came in and made us do all kind of strange
things. Like burying the dead. Some things in this world should
always remain holy, and never desecrated. Which is why there are
so few remaining places, like here in Louisiana, in which our
loved ones can truly be at peace when they cross over -

Whites Only Cemetery Still Alive and Kicking

Source: The Guardian

Thu 28 Jan 2021 21.59 EST

The family of a Black sheriff’s deputy in Louisiana said a local
cemetery declined to bury his body after he died last week due to
a “whites only” policy.

Darrell Semien, an Allen Parish sheriff’s office deputy, died on Sunday
at the age of 55. But when his widow Karla went to inquire about his
burial at the local Oaklin Springs cemetery, the Semien family said,
she was told he couldn’t be buried there.

“I just went to Oaklin Springs cemetery to pick a plot for my husband
to be buried . I met with the lady out there and she said she could not
sell me a plot because the cemetery is a whites only cemetery,” Semien
wrote in a Facebook post on Tuesday. “Wow what a slap in the face.”

Oaklin Springs cemetery confirmed to local station KPLC on Wednesday
that a contract from the 1950s mentions “the right of burial of the
remains of white human beings”.

Read more:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/28/lousiana-oaklin-springs -cemetery-whites-only-policy


Of course, we are no longer fighting the civil war today. Or are we?
I mean, a Jew and a black free man of color actually won election to
the US Senate in Georgia. And Georgia is redder than the reddest
shade of red there is. And no cemetery in Georgia would allow either
of them to be buried there.

Why can't we go back to the Old Days? You know. Life on the plantation.
When women could have their house servants bring them their iced teas
on the porch while watching the dark-tanned athletes working out in the
fields ...

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Hello Aaron,

I'm hoping they deem any "packed nominees" as unconstitutional,

despi

any
qualifications they may have.

Read the fucking US Constitution. Show me where it specifies
the number of justices. Show me. If you can.

Why do you get so mad? We call it "packing the court" when a president adds
more justices. I didn't say there has to be 9, but I said there is 9.

What number does the US Constitution give?
No number than I can think of.
So apparently it is all in your imagination.

Why fix something that isn't broken?

You tell me. It's your idea.

Why "study" something that doesn't need to be studied?

I have no idea. You tell me.

When Joe was campaigning he said he wouldn't pack the court,

Has he packed the court?

but now he's got a panel of "experts" "studying" to see if perhaps doing the
opposite of what he said he wouldn't do will be feasible after all.

A study is a study. Nothing more than that.

Did you forget to stock your liquor cabinet or were you assaulted by a conservative again?

A Cajun only spikes his coffee with whiskey when he is about to
go duck hunting in the early morning ...

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Hello Aaron,

I'm hoping they deem any "packed nominees" as unconstitutional,

despi LL> AT> any

qualifications they may have.

Read the fucking US Constitution. Show me where it specifies

the number of justices. Show me. If you can.

Why do you get so mad?

Thanks for trying. End of thread.

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I haven't heard of anyone using "Court Packing" referring to ACB's
nomination and push through the confirmation in record time DURING AN ELECTION, while Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham made their hypocrisy apparent by both acting to expedite ACB's confirmation in 8 days while they put the brakes on Merrick Garland with 278 days until the election.

You must not have been listening hard enough. I have relatives who are convinced that is what court packing means, but they only get their news
from facebook and whatever the political leader of the family tells them.

These are the same ones that live in the Louisville Metro but didn't know
who Brianna Taylor was.


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On 01-29-21 10:52, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Biden Court Packing <=-

And yet, many of the Trump appointed judges and justices have ruled against him -- meaning that although they may be conservative they still believe in the law and the constitution.

They ruled in favor of his "Remain in Mexico" policy. But did Biden
sign an executive order that over-rules their ruling? (Is that
possible?)

I don't know, and have no info on either part of that question.

Dale Shipp
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Read the f***ing US Constitution. Show me where it specifies
the number of justices. Show me. If you can.

You've used your last warning.


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Hello Mike,

Read the f***ing US Constitution. Show me where it specifies
the number of justices. Show me. If you can.

You've used your last warning.

How many justices are specified in the US Constitution?

Can't answer the question?

No surprise there.

If that wasn't easy enough, what are the qualifications
to be a US Supreme Court justice?

Can't answer the question?

No surprise there.

Who has sole power to nominate a justice to the US Supreme Court?

That's an easy one. A giveaway. You really should know that one ...

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Hello Mike,

Read the f***ing US Constitution. Show me where it specifies
the number of justices. Show me. If you can.

You've used your last warning.

The issue is the number of justices on the US Supreme Court,
not the language anybody is using to express one's opinion.

Please answer the question(s).

What are the qualifications for office?
How many justices are specified for there to be?

I do take it you have a copy of the US Constitution.

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cemetery declined to bury his body after he died last week due to
a “whites only” policy.

I bet Joe Biden owns plots there. He don't want his kids burried in some lousy racial jungle.

Why can't we go back to the Old Days? You know. Life on the plantation.

We're getting there! Joe's cracking the whip, advocating for segregation, and creating a pathway towards slavery for thousands of central american migrants.

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When Joe was campaigning he said he wouldn't pack the court,

Has he packed the court?

He's going to. It's ok, it's lawful. But it's contrary to what he said while campaigning.

Nobody said otherwise - but you keep saying "Show me where it says in the constitution.." Nobody said it's in the constitution and nobody said it's a rule.

Show me where somebody said that! Show it to me! lol

A Cajun only spikes his coffee with whiskey when he is about to
go duck hunting in the early morning ...

I thought they only spike their liquor with coffee when there's a liquor shortage?

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Once he is done making China and Saudi Arabia great again, we might all
be united as food stamp receivers.

It might be better for our health if Joe starts to suck up to China on our behalf. I'm not spreading conspiracy, but the pandemic makes me think that other pandemics are at China's disposal. If they want this again, they have
the skills to do it, and they also have the dark soul, and opaque government.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

Joe's full of it. We need to start keeping a log of Joe's lies and fallacies.

Sorry, but I only have a 2 TB hard drive. It's not big enough to hold
all those lies. 8)

What it all comes down to is food stamps. If you want liberals to be happy, don't mess with their food stamps. That's probably the biggest mistake Trump made, which caused all the TDS. Once Joe restores the
food stamps, that will probably "unite America."

I doubt it.

On one side you have the Elites who think they can run things better than anyone else. Some of those are very power hungry. They have worked for decades to create a dependant class - who *need* those food stamps. They
need them because they have become incapable of fending for themselves.

On the other side are the people who are actually useful. They produce - products as well as wealth. The Elites *need* those people to keep producing or they have nothing to give the useless classes.

It's like they never read Atlas Shrugged. Or as Margaret Thatcher said
"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of
other people's money."

The morons who are for Sleepy Joe say that they don't want socialism like Venesuela, but that's exactly what they are going for.


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On one side you have the Elites who think they can run things better than anyone else. Some of those are very power hungry. They have worked for decades to create a dependant class - who *need* those food stamps. They need them because they have become incapable of fending for themselves.

There seems to be a connection among the Clintons, Obama, and Joe. It's not fair that they basically stay in power. But I can't blame them while the GOP
is too losely organized. It's cool that Trump became a president, but now we should be trying to recruit either a member of the military, or a veteran.
That way anybody who complains about them will look like trash.

I feel bad for people who need foodstamps, but in my area they are giving foodstamps to people who have not even applied. Myself, for example. It's a nice gift but if there's a charity, it should be reserved for people who
ask for it. Do you see the waste and mismanagement that's taking place?

Instead of giving me all this food, they should give it to people who are askin for food - not everything has to be a disaster because of the pandemic but it sure is being abused.

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It might be better for our health if Joe starts to suck up to China on our behalf. I'm not spreading conspiracy, but the pandemic makes me think that other pandemics are at China's disposal. If they want this again, they have the skills to do it, and they also have the dark soul, and opaque government.

China has done a lot of research into viruses and genetics. I have no
doubt they could make effective biological weapons if they so choose. you could be right.


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Hello Mike,

China has done a lot of research into viruses and genetics. I have no doubt they could make effective biological weapons if they so choose.

So has Russia. So has Germany. So has the USA. One of the bogus
"reasons" GWB chose to invade Iraq was to keep Saddam Hussein from
using biological weapons. Even if he never had any or the means
to make them.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

There seems to be a connection among the Clintons, Obama, and Joe. It's not fair that they basically stay in power.

It's not fair that they can commit crimes and not be punished.

I feel bad for people who need foodstamps

I used to. But as I met with more people who were "needy" I discovered something:
They were "needy" based on their poor decisions. They PUT themselves in to their need.

The way I see it is like this:
A kid who is 1 gets a helium balloon. He lets it go and it just sails away. He cries, so he gets another balloon
(usually tied to his wrist).
Next year, the kid gets another balloon. he lets it go. He cries. This time, though, is parents (if they are
good parents) tell him "No. You know what would happen. It's your fault you don't have a balloon anymore."
Next year, the kid gets another balloon, but he hold tight.

We are in a society where people don't want to take responsibility for their own decisions.

Take out a huge student loan for a worthless degree? Cry and vote for the socialist who says he will erase the debt.

The number of people who are actually "needy" is very small and they only want help until they get back on their feet.

Instead of giving me all this food, they should give it to people who
are askin for food - not everything has to be a disaster because of the pandemic but it sure is being abused.

Which is the way things used to be. There was no gov't assistance. There were private organizations who helped
out the needy - and turned away the ones who were just lazy.

But then the lefties saw how they could turn those people into a voting block.


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There were private organizations who helped
out the needy - and turned away the ones who were just lazy.

But then the lefties saw how they could turn those people into a voting block.

It's working. The local Democrats here are creating a community perfect for latch-key parents. We've got free after school babysitting, free breakfast and lunch for all kids without income limits, and that's all year-round, even in the summer the kids are walking to the school for free breakfast and lunch.

I like feeding kids - that's nice - but what kind of parents send their kids walking to the school for food? Is it that hard to make a box of mac n cheese?

So the poor people here are very dependent on the school and aparently the
kids would starve to death if we didn't fund a kitchen staff all summer long.

But it's hard to believe that these lazy people would get off their butts and go to the polls to vote and keep it going.

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I used to. But as I met with more people who were "needy" I discovered something:
They were "needy" based on their poor decisions. They PUT themselves in to their need.

I agree to a point. There are some who get that way but work their way
back out of it. The ones who stay that way seem to fall into the group
you've noticed them in.

We are in a society where people don't want to take responsibility for their own decisions.

You balloon analogy is spot on.

Take out a huge student loan for a worthless degree? Cry and vote for the socialist who says he will erase the debt.

If you try to take out a loan for just about anything else, the lender will weigh your likelihood of paying it back before giving it to you. They
should do the same here... "the kid wants a loan to major in gender
studies or political science or ??? ... bad risk... no loan!"

They apparently don't, or are not allowed, to do it that way.

The number of people who are actually "needy" is very small and they only want
help until they get back on their feet.

Agree.

But then the lefties saw how they could turn those people into a voting block.

100% agree. If the Democrats cannot buy your vote by giving you
assistance, they don't really want to have much to do with you.


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It's working. The local Democrats here are creating a community perfect for >latch-key parents. We've got free after school babysitting, free breakfast and >lunch for all kids without income limits, and that's all year-round, even in >the summer the kids are walking to the school for free breakfast and lunch.

If you mean they are providing this so that the parents can work, I cannot necessarily see the harm in it. The nuclear family has already been blown
up, so there are a lot of single parents out there. Having the school take care of them may not be 100% ideal, but it is better than having the parent
not work and the government take care of the whole family.


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If you mean they are providing this so that the parents can work, I
cannot necessarily see the harm in it. The nuclear family has already

I didn't think of it that way. The babysitting thing might be good if it's enabling parents to work, but taxpayers are thereby paying the babysitting bill. It would be ideal if parents who need babysitting could pay their own babysitting bill, but anything is better than parents not working.

I'm not a greedy person, especially not with food, but I feel like parents should feed their own kids too instead of the taxpayers. In this case, it's
not just food that taxpayers are paying for, but we're also paying for kitchen staff all summer. Shouldn't we just give them some extra foodstamps for the summer instead?

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

But it's hard to believe that these lazy people would get off their
butts and go to the polls to vote and keep it going.

That's why the Dems want easy mail-in voting.

And it doesn't matter anyway. The Dems in power will handle their vote
for them so they don't even have to sign their name. They just need to be
on the voter rolls.


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Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

I agree to a point. There are some who get that way but work their way back out of it. The ones who stay that way seem to fall into the group you've noticed them in.

Because those are the ones who are perpetually needy.

The hard thing for me is to identify the first group - the ones who just need
a helping hand, not a hand-out. I don't mind helping those people.

If you try to take out a loan for just about anything else, the lender will weigh your likelihood of paying it back before giving it to you.
They should do the same here... "the kid wants a loan to major in
gender studies or political science or ??? ... bad risk... no loan!"

They apparently don't, or are not allowed, to do it that way.

Student loans are interesting. Back in the day I took one out (for 1 year
of college to finish my degree), the bank was only the intermediary. The
gov't guaranteed the loan - so there's no risk to the bank. The bank loaned
me the money (minus all the interest right off the top, BTW) and then I paid the bank to give the money back to the gov't.

But the reason the bank never says "no" to student loans is that they incur
no risk and always make a profit. It's the gov't that needs to say "no",
but the Left likes to give those handouts.


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And it doesn't matter anyway. The Dems in power will handle their vote for them so they don't even have to sign their name. They just need to
be on the voter rolls.

If I want to buy beer or smokes, I have to show ID, but when I'm out voting against corrupt politicians they don't check it. I'd like that to change.

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Ron Lauzon wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

I agree to a point. There are some who get that way but work their way back out of it. The ones who stay that way seem to fall into the group you've noticed them in.

Because those are the ones who are perpetually needy.

The hard thing for me is to identify the first group - the ones who
just need a helping hand, not a hand-out. I don't mind helping those people.

If you try to take out a loan for just about anything else, the lender will weigh your likelihood of paying it back before giving it to you.
They should do the same here... "the kid wants a loan to major in
gender studies or political science or ??? ... bad risk... no loan!"

They apparently don't, or are not allowed, to do it that way.

Student loans are interesting. Back in the day I took one out (for 1
year of college to finish my degree), the bank was only the
intermediary. The gov't guaranteed the loan - so there's no risk to
the bank. The bank loaned me the money (minus all the interest right
off the top, BTW) and then I paid the bank to give the money back to
the gov't.

But the reason the bank never says "no" to student loans is that they incur no risk and always make a profit. It's the gov't that needs to
say "no", but the Left likes to give those handouts.

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Kinda ovbious how little understanding of both politics and economics is in this thread.


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The hard thing for me is to identify the first group - the ones who just need a helping hand, not a hand-out. I don't mind helping those people.

Around here, they are usually the ones that are initially reluctant to
accept help if it is offered.

But the reason the bank never says "no" to student loans is that they incur no risk and always make a profit. It's the gov't that needs to say "no",
but the Left likes to give those handouts.

They shouldn't do it that way but they probably open themselves up to a potential "-ism" problem if they do not.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

If I want to buy beer or smokes, I have to show ID, but when I'm out voting against corrupt politicians they don't check it. I'd like that
to change.

Ya, PragerU did a nice video about the Narrative on "Voter ID is voter supression because all these <whatever ethnic group> doesn't have any
ID." Complete BS.


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Ya, PragerU did a nice video about the Narrative on "Voter ID is voter supression because all these <whatever ethnic group> doesn't have any ID." Complete BS.

The Democrats really have us cornered. At this point we feel like asking for
ID checks at the polls, but how can we expect help with that when our
president just removed ID checks at the border.?

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Ya, PragerU did a nice video about the Narrative on "Voter ID is voter supression because all these <whatever ethnic group> doesn't have any
ID." Complete BS.

Most everyone in my town, majority or minority, who are over 16 seem to
drive. The only people who might not have IDs don't drive, drink, or buy firearms legally.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

The Democrats really have us cornered. At this point we feel like
asking for ID checks at the polls, but how can we expect help with that when our president just removed ID checks at the border.?

They only want IDs when they want to identify the people who are against
them.


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