have the US Constitution to thank for that. If DonaldWhich is why continuing the impeachment is unconstitutional. The Senate can only find guilty or not a sitting POTUS not a private citizen.
Trump was still POTUS, Chief Justice Roberts would have
no choice but to preside, as failure to do so would be
an impeachable offense. But since Donald Trump is just
an ordinary private citizen ...
Which is why continuing the impeachment is unconstitutional. The Senate can only find guilty or not a sitting POTUS not a private citizen.
It is a proven fact that Donald Trump is pulling your
leg about the election being stolen. How do I know this?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
I'm a huge Trump fan, but I don't give a crap about him anymore. He's living in your head and you should evict him.
He's hardly mentioned anymore in the conservative news.
Within a year or so, you will see some of these big media companies
start to go into bankruptcy. They were close to it in 2016, but the
Trump Bump kept them afloat for 4 years.
Joe needs to be successfully impeached at least once,
and I don't even care if he's guilty.
It's a game that we're playing now, and we should play it well.
William Williams wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
Re: Trump Trial II
By: Lee Lofaso to All on Thu Feb 04 2021 12:51 am
have the US Constitution to thank for that. If Donald
Trump was still POTUS, Chief Justice Roberts would have
no choice but to preside, as failure to do so would be
an impeachable offense. But since Donald Trump is just
an ordinary private citizen ...
Which is why continuing the impeachment is unconstitutional. The Senate can only find guilty or not a sitting POTUS not a private citizen.
It is a proven fact that Donald Trump is pulling your
leg about the election being stolen. How do I know this?
I'm a huge Trump fan, but I don't give a crap about him anymore. He's living
in your head and you should evict him.
He's hardly mentioned anymore in the conservative news.
If he messed up his option to run for president again in 2024, it's not the
end of the world.
We're better off with someone else.
The GOP probably needs someone who is a former segregationist if we want to
compete with Biden.
Which is why continuing the impeachment is unconstitutional. The Senate
can only find guilty or not a sitting POTUS not a private citizen.
That's like saying I can't get a speeding ticket because I am not driving ATM although I was on the road speeding an hour ago.
Donald Trump was impeached while in office for crimes committed while he was
in office.
have the US Constitution to thank for that. If Donald
Trump was still POTUS, Chief Justice Roberts would have
no choice but to preside, as failure to do so would be
an impeachable offense. But since Donald Trump is just
an ordinary private citizen ...
Which is why continuing the impeachment is unconstitutional.
The Senate can only find guilty or not a sitting POTUS not a private citizen.
One might argue that an impeachment trial of a president whoIt doesnt matter anyway because the republicans wont vote guilty.
has left office is moot, given he is no longer in office.
and I don't even care if he's guilty.
That is the republican standard these days. Republicans today don't seem
among his base. How much lower can he go? Do Republicans have
anybody else who can stand up for what they believe in? Sure
She is so popular today that her colleagues in the House
kicked her off all committees she had been appointed to.
There are no more conservatives to be found anywhere in the news.
Except a few brave souls, such as Liz Cheney, who held on to her
Republicans. Fortunately, the other members of the House are
not extremists and take their oath of office seriously.
Like who? The clown in Georgia who got herself kicked off every
Which is why continuing the impeachment is unconstitutional. The Senate can only find guilty or not a sitting POTUS not a private citizen.
That's like saying I can't get a speeding ticket because I am not driving ATM though I was on the road speeding an hour ago.
Joe needs to be successfully impeached at least once,
He'll have to do something impeachable first. I wouldn't hold my breath but if >e does you can go ahead and impeach him.
That is the republican standard these days. Republicans today don't seem to car
about law and order or the constitution anymore.
Your claim is unsubstantiated and not backed up by precedent.
But how is it a Republican standard?
It's more like a Democrat standard to impeach the Republican president.
Sure, Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for something stupid back in the 90s, but Democrats are going at it full speed with fake Russian collusion,
fake abuse of power, and fake insurrection.
Republicans don't typically stoop to such a low level, but I want them to now.
He already admitted to doing something impeachable while serving in the Senate. The difference is that those actions are only seen as impeachable when committed by the Bad Orange Man.
They are starting to take after the Democrats.
Not really. The laws for an impeachment conviction and a speeding ticket are much different.
There was simply no other choice in Donald Trumps case, both times he was impeached.
On 02-05-21 09:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Trump Trial II <=-
But how is it a Republican standard? It's more like a Democrat
standard to impeach the Republican president. Sure, Republicans
impeached Bill Clinton for something stupid back in the 90s, but
Democrats are going at it full speed with fake Russian collusion, fake abuse of power, and fake insurrection.
On 02-05-21 16:36, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Kurt Weiske about Re: Trump Trial II <=-
Your claim is unsubstantiated and not backed up by precedent.
Which President did they impeach who had completed their term and was
no longer in office?
Impeachment is easy -
but Trump has still not been convicted of anything.
Do you remember Nancy saying "Trump is impeached forever." ?
She means that "We've tarnished his reputation FOREVER."
But to me it seems more like she's tarnished the Democrats reputation forever. How will it sound in the history books when it says "Democrats impeached Trump twice (or 3 times) but both times they were unsuccessful in convicting him."
Or how about this headline in the social studies book: "Months after Trump left office, with the pandemic still raging on, Democrats still looked for ways to impeach the former president."
among his base. How much lower can he go? Do Republicans have
anybody else who can stand up for what they believe in? Sure
Republicans don't need Trump or Marjorie. When the time comes, a whole flock
of pee-ons will run in a primary. I don't think Trump will be there.
Marjorie was elected by the voters in her district. Those people have the right to have their winner on house committees.
Having a puppet vote is great, but the people deserve to get more out of her
than that.
She is so popular today that her colleagues in the House
kicked her off all committees she had been appointed to.
Her colleagues don't care about voters in Marjorie's district. Why should they?
There are no more conservatives to be found anywhere in the news.
Except a few brave souls, such as Liz Cheney, who held on to her
She hasn't done much for your party or for mine in the past 4 years.
Republicans. Fortunately, the other members of the House are
not extremists and take their oath of office seriously.
The liberal definition of extremist is different from mine.
Pelosi - don't take the oath seriously
Schiff - don't take the oath seriously
Nadler - don't take the oath seriously
AOC - extremist
Pressley - extremist
Omar - extremist who don't take the oath seriously
Bush - don't take the oath seriously
Putting a muffler on Marjorie doesn't come close to taking extremism out of
the house.
But what's wrong with being an extremist if that's what your
constituents are asking for?
Like who? The clown in Georgia who got herself kicked off every
You can't expect Republican voters to be swayed by Joe Biden.
We'll vote for whoever the primary gives us.
Any Republican in congress (besides Marjorie) will be fine.
Your claim is unsubstantiated and not backed up by precedent.
Which President did they impeach who had completed their term and was no longer in office?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Within a year or so, you will see some of these big media companies
start to go into bankruptcy. They were close to it in 2016, but the
Trump Bump kept them afloat for 4 years.
To fix the media, we need the GOP to organize better, but in reality,
we might need to adapt to 8 years of brainwash success.
Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-
Your claim is unsubstantiated and not backed up by precedent.
Which President did they impeach who had completed their term and was
no longer in office?
What is fake about any of those three things? There was collusion (but
no provable evidence of conspiracy) with the Russians during the 2016 campaign, not to mention proven Russian interference. Trump has abused his power, and there was an insurrection.
She is a racist and a bigot. And apparently proud of it.
She has never apologized for anything she has done or said.
He already admitted to doing something impeachable while serving in the >MP> Senate. The difference is that those actions are only seen as impeachable >MP> when committed by the Bad Orange Man.
What impeachable something did he do in the senate?
They are starting to take after the Democrats.
They don't look anything like democrats, or republicans now.
Your claim is unsubstantiated and not backed up by precedent.
Which President did they impeach who had completed their term and was
no longer in office?
Trump was impeached while he was still in office.
Sure, Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for something stupid back in the
90s, but Democrats are going at it full speed with fake Russian collusion
The Russian collution was not fake. It doesn't even need to be proven now sinc
it is all out in the open.
Do you remember Nancy saying "Trump is impeached forever." ?
She means that "We've tarnished his reputation FOREVER."
We need to start voting for the person. The only way we can start to fix things is to vote people
in who will remove the unconstitutional power of the Bureaucracy and restore rule of law.
My bad, as VP. Withholding foreign aide with strings, like Trump threatened to do, and admiting it. But I know we've already had this discussion and I know it is only illegal when Bad Orange Man does it.
My guess is that if it was Canada that he was withholding it from instead of a slavic country you'd feel much different about it.
Before this election, there was again rumor of Chinese and Russian collusion.
Since it turned out the way you wanted, I guess it was ok for
this election cycle.
There is a difference here. Joe Biden was not using foreign aid as a
tool to get dirt on his political opponent. Donald Trump was.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
Isn't it equally corrupt for Biden to use foreign aid as a tool to save his son's career?
William Belknap was tried after he resigned.
Nowhere in the constitution is impeachment reserved for only the President, so limiting the argument to presidential impeachment is irrelevant.
My bad, as VP. Withholding foreign aide with strings, like Trump threatened to do, and admiting it. But I know we've already had this discussion and I know it is only illegal when Bad Orange Man does it.
Joe Biden never did anything that resembles Bad Orange Man as you call him.
It was the American position that they wanted that corrupt prosecutor fired, a
he was.
There is a difference here. Joe Biden was not using foreign aid as a tool to ge
dirt on his political opponent. Donald Trump was.
Before this election, there was again rumor of Chinese and Russian collusion.
There was Chinese and Russian interference, or an attempt at least. That is ju
a fact of life today.
I want to assure you that the whole Donald Trump thing had absolutely nothing
do with my wants/needs/desires. Neither does Joe Biden.
I think your country is in a better place now and headed in a better direction
ut getting to where you (as a nation) want to go as a whole is going to take f
ks working together regardless of their democrat or republican leanings.
The insurection is fake too because Trump didn't coordinate an insurrection on-the-fly by telling constituents to "be strong not weak" and to complain to congress.
We need to start voting for the person. The only way we can start to fix
things is to vote people
in who will remove the unconstitutional power of the Bureaucracy and restore rule of law.
Yes, this is needed, but how do we sell that idea to the herd?
Isn't it equally corrupt for Biden to use foreign aid as a tool to save his son's career?
It might be depending on what Joe did, but that didn't happen.
Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-o
The insurection is fake too because Trump didn't coordinate an insurrection on-the-fly by telling constituents to "be strong not weak" and to complain
congress.
I will believe that Trump encouraged an insurrection when people like Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, and anyone else who
encouraged their followers/constituents to "get in (Trump supporters
and appointees) faces and yell" and whatever else they encouraged them
to do, also get into trouble. There is no difference.
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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-
Isn't it equally corrupt for Biden to use foreign aid as a tool to save his son's career?
It might be depending on what Joe did, but that didn't happen.
Joe admitted it. People have posted the links here to video where he brags about it. You even admitted it in a previous post here. Joe threatened to withhold aid until a prosecutor got fired. That
prosecutor was going after the company that Hunter worked for.
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Isn't it equally corrupt for Biden to use foreign aid as a tool to sa his son's career?
It might be depending on what Joe did, but that didn't happen.
would have been an endless poo-poo storm about it. Joe does it, admits
it proudly, and it is ok. Doesn't take a genius to figure out what is going on there.
I will believe that Trump encouraged an insurrection when people like Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, and anyone else who
encouraged their followers/constituents to "get in (Trump supporters and appointees) faces and yell" and whatever else they encouraged them to
do, also get into trouble. There is no difference.
Yes, and the way it was done (withholding the funds) is a no-no, ask Trump.
Also, that prosecutor was bad business for Hunter Biden.
He was still tying the aid to something it should not be tied to, and with direct benefit to his son.
Just because Joe says it was OK he did it doesn't make it so. If Trump did the same thing... threatened to withhold funds until a prosecutor who was messing with the company his son works for got fired... there would have been an endless poo-poo storm about it. Joe does it, admits it proudly, and it is ok.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out what is going on there.
Joe admitted it. People have posted the links here to video where he brags about it. You even admitted it in a previous post here. Joe threatened to withhold aid until a prosecutor got fired. That prosecutor was going after the company that Hunter worked for.
It's difficult to argue with video evidence. Joe's on video bragging about threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aid if Zelensky didn't fire Ukraine's top prosecutor, who was investigating Hunter Biden.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
Isn't it equally corrupt for Biden to use foreign aid as a tool to sa his son's career?
It might be depending on what Joe did, but that didn't happen.
It's difficult to argue with video evidence. Joe's on video bragging
about threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aid if Zelensky
didn't fire Ukraine's top prosecutor, who was investigating Hunter
Biden.
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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-
I will believe that Trump encouraged an insurrection when people like Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, and anyone else who
encouraged their followers/constituents to "get in (Trump supporters and appointees) faces and yell" and whatever else they encouraged them to
do, also get into trouble. There is no difference.
I remember Maxine Waters saying that. If the impeachment managers are
able to convict Trump (which they obviously can't) then our people can motion to censure these other "insurectionists."
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It's difficult to argue with video evidence. Joe's on video bragging threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aid if Zelensky didn't f Ukraine's top prosecutor, who was investigating Hunter Biden.
What Joe did was good. What Trump did was not.
I don't see the good in what Joe did. How is it good? Good for Hunter?
Some people are saying it was "abuse of power." I agree with that.
Presidents (and vice presidents) aren't supposed to be using their power for personal gain, which is what firing the prosector was- personal gain.
If the prosecutor hadn't been fired, then Hunter Biden and his firm would have been investigated for fraud by the Ukranian authorities.
Ukraine is a 3rd world country. They really suck. And it's sad to know that a man was fired from his government job at the whim of Joe Biden just to protect his greaseball son.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
We need to start voting for the person. The only way we can start to fix things is to vote people
in who will remove the unconstitutional power of the Bureaucracy and restore rule of law.
Yes, this is needed, but how do we sell that idea to the herd?
I'd love to see more elected officials get on board with consolidating offices, reducing bureaucracy, or reducing their own power. But it
doesn't happen very often!
The governor of NY should (before he goes to
jail) make an executive order to place term limits on his own office.
But what's in it for him?
I don't see the good in what Joe did. How is it good? Good for Hunter
What was it that Joe did?
He was a corrupt prosecutor. Why are you feeling so sad?
jail) make an executive order to place term limits on his own office. But what's in it for him?
Nothing. He would only do that if he thought that he could hurt the next guy in office.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
I don't see the good in what Joe did. How is it good? Good for Hunter
What was it that Joe did?
Joe told President Zelensky that he (Zelensky) needed to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Hunter Biden, or else he (Joe Biden)
was going to withhold $1 billion dollars in aid (from the USA to
Ukraine.)
Then, he (the Ukranian prosecutor) was fired.
He was a corrupt prosecutor. Why are you feeling so sad?
I often meet Ukranians in my town. They all either say that they came
here for work, or that they came here because their spouse came here
for work.
Joe's possible defense: Maybe that prosecutor was on the verge of being fired anyway. That's possible. But that story is not in the news.
You're nice to Joe by giving him the benefit of the doubt. I've been
very hopeful for Joe's slogan to be realistic (Build America Better)
and so far he's been pretty bad at that, so then I'm hopeful that he'd
not screw anything else up, but the optimism is dwindling a little now because of the apology tour of Iran. Do you remember those barrels of
cash on private planes to Iran? Joe's about to fire up the cannery
again, but that probably won't happen until after he's done handing billions of taxpayer dollars to the central american countries that
send thousands of babies walking to the USA.
So I'd rather ask you about this:
What has Joe's administration done for you so far? If nothing, then
have they at least offered to do something you will appreciate in the future? Either way, I hope they make the changes you'd like to see, because I know that you're a good guy. But see if you can tell me good things that the Biden administration has done or promised to do, and I will wish for its success right beside you!
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Joe told President Zelensky that he (Zelensky) needed to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Hunter Biden, or else he (Joe Biden) was going to withhold $1 billion dollars in aid (from the USA to Ukraine.)
Then, he (the Ukranian prosecutor) was fired.
I often meet Ukranians in my town. They all either say that they came here for work, or that they came here because their spouse came here for work.
Joe's possible defense: Maybe that prosecutor was on the verge of being fired anyway. That's possible. But that story is not in the news.
You're nice to Joe by giving him the benefit of the doubt. I've been very hopeful for Joe's slogan to be realistic (Build America Better) and so far he's been pretty bad at that,
he's been pretty bad at that, so then I'm hopeful that he'd not screw anything else up, but the optimism is dwindling a little now because of the apology tour of Iran. Do you remember those barrels of cash on private planes to Iran? Joe's about to fire up the cannery again, but that probably won't happen until after he's done handing billions of taxpayer dollars to the central american countries that send thousands of babies walking to the USA.
So I'd rather ask you about this:
What has Joe's administration done for you so far? If nothing, then have they at least offered to do something you will appreciate in the future?
Either way, I hope they make the changes you'd like to see, because I know that you're a good guy. But see if you can tell me good things that the Biden administration has done or promised to do, and I will wish for its success right beside you!
would have been an endless poo-poo storm about it. Joe does it, admits it proudly, and it is ok. Doesn't take a genius to figure out what is going on there.
But it WILL take a genius to figure out why our liberal friends will ignore what you just said. (That's my prediction - let's see if I really am psychic or not!)
Joe admitted it. People have posted the links here to video where he brags >MP> about it. You even admitted it in a previous post here. Joe threatened to >MP> withhold aid until a prosecutor got fired. That prosecutor was going after >MP> the company that Hunter worked for.
Yes, he admitted it. So?
It's difficult to argue with video evidence. Joe's on video bragging about threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aid if Zelensky didn't fire Ukraine's top prosecutor, who was investigating Hunter Biden.
It's difficult to argue with video evidence. Joe's on video bragging abou
threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aid if Zelensky didn't fire Ukraine's top prosecutor, who was investigating Hunter Biden.
What Joe did was good because it benefited Joe and his family. What Trump
did would have benefited Trump and might have exposed even more dumb things Joe did, so it was not.
So, let me see if I can get this straight...
you think it is OK for someone to withhold aid, which is not tied to the situation at all, in order to have a situation resolved in his son's/family's financial favor but,
if another threatens to withhold aid in order to benefit his campaign (ironically, to look for things in addition to what guy #1 already admitted to), it is not OK?
I guess my answer to your question is Trump did it, too, so what?
Fixed it for you.
I like how you pretend that Biden did that all on his own without anyone knowing anything about at all. He must be a MASTERMIND!
Do you have a link so I can read up on this? I have a recollection of
this happening when Joe was the VP but Hunter Biden was not involved.
The company Hunter was contracted with might have been investigated
and/or charged but the details seem to have changed. Largely.
That corrupt prosecutor was not their, or your friend.
He's been pretty good, as his approval shows. He's done what he said he was going to do.
Donald Trump left Biden an Iran without a nuclear deal and a trade war with China.
I also hope that Biden (all presidents in fact) will make America a
better place to be and live, stand up for law & order and the constitution.
https://www.nysun.com/editorials/well-son-of-a-bitch-biden-in-ukraine-part-i i/9 270/1
That corrupt prosecutor was not their, or your friend.
Ok, you may be right, but what's corrupt about him? That's the story I can't find. If you can find a link to anything about that, please let me know!
He's been pretty good, as his approval shows. He's done what he said he was going to do.
54% is terrible and this is a very liberal newspaper: https://www.nytimes.co m/2021/02/01/us/politics/biden-approval-rating-trump.html
Donald Trump left Biden an Iran without a nuclear deal and a trade war with China.
Iran doesn't deserve a nuclear deal. Working Americans shouldn't have to pay them to disarm. And only the Democrats are ok with us having a trade deficit with China.
I also hope that Biden (all presidents in fact) will make America a better place to be and live, stand up for law & order and the constitution.
That's what Trump did, but now Joe's cancelling it all and making Iran and central america better places to live.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Vague <=-
I like how you pretend that Biden did that all on his own without anyone knowing anything about at all. He must be a MASTERMIND!
I didn't pretend anything. Other Democats like Obama are to blame for
it too. Enabling the former segregationist senator to take Ukraine for
a ride is despicable. Joe kicked them while they were down.
He is a criminal mastermind.
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What Trump did, and what Joe did are two *very* different things.
On 02-07-21 21:30, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Trump Trial II <=-
It's difficult to argue with video evidence.
Joe's on video bragging
threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aid
if Zelensky didn't f
Ukraine's top prosecutor, who was investigating Hunter Biden.
What Joe did was good. What Trump did was not.
I don't see the good in what Joe did. How is it good? Good for Hunter? Some people are saying it was "abuse of power." I agree with that. Presidents (and vice presidents) aren't supposed to be using their
power for personal gain, which is what firing the prosector was-
personal gain. If the prosecutor hadn't
been fired, then Hunter Biden and his firm would have been
investigated for fraud by the Ukranian authorities.
Ukraine is a 3rd world country. They really suck. And it's sad to know that a man was fired from his government job at the whim of Joe Biden
just to protect his greaseball son.
Ok, you may be right, but what's corrupt about him? That's the story I find. If you can find a link to anything about that, please let me know
I don't know. That was a long time ago, you'd have to find out when that was and what he was talking about.
Oh, so now EVERYBODY new about it? Wow. Which is it? Did he do it alone for his son, or was Obama and other involved? How many people? What did they possibly get from helping Hunter?
Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-
After he resigned, which means he didn't complete his term.
You are very off base in your comments. What Biden did was not done on
a whim. It was done as an agreed upon policy of the US government and also with consultation of other European governments -- all agreeing
that the prosecutor was corrupt. It was not done to protect his son.
That prosecutor was not investigating Hunter nor the firm he was working with.
What Trump did, and what Joe did are two *very* different things.
What has Joe's administration done for you so far? If nothing, then have they
That corrupt prosecutor was not their, or your friend.
Ok, you may be right, but what's corrupt about him? That's the story I can't find. If you can find a link to anything about that, please let me know!
There was some non flattering text at the beginning of the video. I don't know
who wrote that or why. It also mentions 2006, Joe Biden was not VP then and wa
not acting as VP. He talked of loan guarantee's and he said there would be no money unless that prosecutor was fired. He was and was replaced by somebody "solid". A good outcome isn't it?
Nothing in Joe's talk is incriminating.
I don't know. That was a long time ago, you'd have to find out when that was and what he was talking about.
What Trump did, and what Joe did are two *very* different things.
Joe succeeded in obtaining personal gain from Ukraine, and Trump failed.
What Trump did, and what Joe did are two *very* different things.
Joe succeeded in obtaining personal gain from Ukraine, and Trump failed.
If you don't know what's corrupt about him, then why insist that it's great that he was fired? What about Victor Shokin's wife and kids? Stuff like this is why people hate the USA.
We're here cheerleading for Joe Biden after he destroyed a Ukranian man's life just to keep Hunter out of jail - and we're justifying it by saying "Shokin was probably corrupt anyway."
What Trump did, and what Joe did are two *very* different things.
No they really are not.
Both tried to tie foreign aid to things that it should not be tied to, which is a no-no. Just because one of the instances included an outcome of a "bad guy" (by your description) losing his job doesn't make it any different.
Both tried to tie foreign aid to things it shouldn't be tied to for personal gain (either their own or their family's).
I don't know. That was a long time ago, you'd have to find out when
that was and what he was talking about.
So being a long time ago makes it OK?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Vague <=-
Oh, so now EVERYBODY new about it? Wow. Which is it? Did he do it alone for his son, or was Obama and other involved? How many people? What did they possibly get from helping Hunter?
The wire fraud occurred while Joe was a US senator. The firing of
Shokin occurred while Joe was VP. Joe's corruption reflects negatively
on Obama's adminstration, that's how Obama deserves some of the blame.
What did they get by helping Hunter? The DNC knew that Joe was going to
be their pick long before the Democrat primaries. (Sorry dems, your primaries are fake.) They knew it all along, so they've been protecting Hunter all this time as a precaution. It's a win not only for Hunter,
but also for all Democrats, the media, Iran, China, and corrupt central american governments. It's also a win for Bill Gates, Google, Twitter,
and handful of other people who don't know when to shave.
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On 02-09-21 11:45, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump Trial II <=-
You are very off base in your comments. What Biden did was not done on
a whim. It was done as an agreed upon policy of the US government and also with consultation of other European governments -- all agreeing
that the prosecutor was corrupt. It was not done to protect his son.
That prosecutor was not investigating Hunter nor the firm he was working with.
The important part is that Burisma was and still is under
investigation,
and that Joe Biden is the one who threatened (on behalf
of the Obama administration) to withhold $1 billion dollars in aid if Shokin wasn't fired. Maybe Obama delegated that "responsibility" to
Biden,
but with Hunter being chairman of the board of Burisma, it looks
like a conflict of interest, or an abuse of power, or a quid-pro-Joe.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
It's not likely to happen under Cuomo, but if the NY GOP could ever get their act together, and get elected, then I would ask them to do it to protect us from any future career Democrats.
Wrong again. Hunter was not the chairman of the board of Burisma. As a *member* of the board, he represented Burisma's interests with other countries.
The Socialists took over the Democrat party. Maybe the Constutionalists can take the Republican party back. But to do that, we need to vote for the person - not the party.
What Trump did, and what Joe did are two *very* different things.
Joe succeeded in obtaining personal gain from Ukraine, and Trump failed.
Do you want to be taken seriously?
At the time that Biden did what he did, Burisma was no longer under investigation.
Do you want to be taken seriously?
What gains did Trump obtain?
It's difficult to argue with video evidence. Joe's on video bragging
about threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aid if Zelensky
didn't fire Ukraine's top prosecutor, who was investigating Hunter Biden.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-
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It's difficult to argue with video evidence. Joe's on video bragging
about threatening to withhold 1 billion dollars in aid if Zelensky
didn't fire Ukraine's top prosecutor, who was investigating Hunter Biden.
Trump said nothing to ignite the events of chaos that happened at the capital or the sad loss of life that occurred. There were many
thousands of people that were in attendance, but 250 people, either
were questioned or are persons of interest. I know that Trump words did not ignite this chaos because I have the transcript of what Mr. Trump's words. I could post them here if you want.
On 02-10-21 14:49, Mike Powell <=-
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At the time that Biden did what he did, Burisma was no longer under investigation.
So revenge and/or removing any potential future threat make it much different than if it had been a current investigation?
Trump said nothing to ignite the events of chaos that happened at
the capital or the sad loss of life that occurred. There were
many thousands of people that were in attendance, but 250 people,
either were questioned or are persons of interest. I know that
Trump words did not ignite this chaos because I have the
transcript of what Mr. Trump's words. I could post them here if
you want.
What gains did Trump obtain?
I never said Trump made any gains. You would have to ask Aaron what he meant.
Full stop. You are repeating lies. America watched it. We saw it all.
you are so gullible
He appointed Jared Kushner as senior advisor, and I think Ivanka was an advisor too. That seems like nepotism - aren't advisors paid federal employees?
But it would have been worse if Trump's family used his position to make foreign business connections - that would have been grizzly.
Incredible how perceptions can be skewed and how poisoned a seemingly large portion of the US population is. After only 4 years, or does it already have longstanding reasons?
Unfortunately, you can't get through with arguments.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Vague <=-
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Full stop. You are repeating lies. America watched it. We saw it all.
Stop? I do not recognize your full stop, your a nutjob...
I am not spewing lies, like I said I have the transcript of what Mr.
Trump said. Btw, The only thing that the world will see soon is that
Mr. Trump has been acquitted for a second time.
you are so gullible
I'm gullible? Wrong! Like I've said I have the transcript, try as you
may to take the transcript out of context and prove your useless
points. It is what you people have been trying to do for the past 4
years, but failing in the process each and every time..
At the time that Biden did what he did, Burisma was no longer under
investigation.
So revenge and/or removing any potential future threat make it much different than if it had been a current investigation?
Asking for a friend.
Nothing would please me more to see Donald John Trump running again in 2024,
I would campaign for Mr. Trump and donate to his campaign most of which I have done previously. I wouldn't mind a Trump/Owens ticket either. That would drive the liberals absolutely nuts of which is always fun to watch.
Mr. Trump has been acquitted for a second time.
you are so gullible
Still out here on message boards, King of Fidonet in New
York? Supreme New York
Fidolord?
Joe succeeded in obtaining personal gain from Ukraine, and Trump failed.
That's a stretch. Joe Biden, in his capacity as Vice President, forced Ukraine to make a choice. Either they get rid of their Attorney General or not get financial aid. Personal gain, no.
Biden had nothing to gain by seeing Shokin fired?
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Mr. Trump has been acquitted for a second time.
you are so gullible
Being gullible is irrelevant, when one can read.
Still out here on message boards, King of Fidonet in New
York? Supreme New York
Fidolord?
Again with the message boards? Listen, Gramps, head to the Pharmacy and pick up your Xanax script, your overdue on your meds.
King of Fidonet in New York doesn't fit me, because I do not have subjects. Nodes are respected. That respect is shared among all here in Net 267 and is bi-directional in nature.
Fidolord, now thats a is a title.
The only title that I have officially is NC.
Biden had nothing to gain by seeing Shokin fired?
There was no personal gain.
Yeah... so why present your position to me before as if it gave what you were saying more gravatas or like it was going to intimidate me?
because you have no inherent credibility
And again, one more time so we can hopefully end this: You lied. You repeated lies. You have 0 credibility, so trying to lie doesn't get you far. All it does is mark you as a gullible parrot at best, and at worse
a flat-out willful liar.
And again, one more time so we can hopefully end this: You lied. You >Va>repeated lies. You have 0 credibility, so trying to lie doesn't get you >Va>far. All it does is mark you as a gullible parrot at best, and at worse >Va>a flat-out willful liar.
Credible is using a real name in an echo that requires real names.
You're as credible as a member of the Rio Grande swim team.
Yeah... so why present your position to me before as if it gave what you >Va>were saying more gravatas or like it was going to intimidate me?
No it was a clarification to your sarcasm with your "King of Fidonet" and >"Fidolord" I kinda like that last one one, but I digress, I don't think of >myself as a King or Lord, but just officially as the NC here in my net. To
date your not anywhere in the nodelist that I can find.
The FidoNet judicial philosophy can be summed up in two rules:
1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.
2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.
In short, it was not my intention to intimidate you, you also said that you
were not intimidated and I replied with Good.
However, this the politics echo where emotions run hot.
I am of the mind that were are going to have to agree to disagree, as a
Conservative I can do this with greatest of ease.
Liberals on the other hand not so much, I think those people dwell in lunacy
and you wanna talk about intimidation? lol.
Not to be Vauge, I'm not connecting to a message board. I am the connection.
Secondly I am not going anywhere.
because you have no inherent credibility
I will let the results of the impeachment, speak to my credibility.
Biden had nothing to gain by seeing Shokin fired?
There was no personal gain.
If keeping your kid's business afloat and/or keeping your kid out of jail isn't "personal gain" then nothing is.
that want, real or not. So why should participants choose to
limit what names they can go by? Your argument makes no sense.
And holds no water.
There was no personal gain because Biden said there wasn't. Get it?
If keeping your kid's business afloat and/or keeping your kid out of
jail isn't "personal gain" then nothing is.
+1
Yeah... so why present your position to me before as if it Va>gave whatyou were saying more gravatas or like it was going Va>to intimidate me?
No it was a clarification to your sarcasm with your "King of Fidonet" and "Fidolord" I kinda like that last one one, but I digress, I don't think of myself as a King or Lord, but just officially as the NC here in my net. To date your not anywhere in the nodelist that I can find.
The FidoNet judicial philosophy can be summed up in two rules:
1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.
2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.
In short, it was not my intention to intimidate you, you also said that you
were not intimidated and I replied with Good.
However, this the politics echo where emotions run hot.
I am of the mind that were are going to have to agree to disagree, as a Conservative I can do this with greatest of ease.
Liberals on the other hand not so much, I think those people dwell in lunacy
and you wanna talk about intimidation? lol.
Not to be Vauge, I'm not connecting to a message board. I am the connection.
Secondly I am not going anywhere.
because you have no inherent credibility
I will let the results of the impeachment, speak to my credibility.
Biden had nothing to gain by seeing Shokin fired?
There was no personal gain.
If keeping your kid's business afloat and/or keeping your kid out of jail AT>isn't "personal gain" then nothing is.
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