• Re: They Have The Eviden

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron L. on Saturday, October 28, 2023 01:41:00
    On 10-27-23 07:21, Ron L. <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: They Have The Evidenc <=-

    Have a counter point to make? I'm sure you do. Tell us.

    He doesn't have one. That's why I don't bother to even read the
    messages by the Ignorant Elitists anymore.

    They can't bring facts. They can't form a coherent argument. All
    they can do is name call.

    Being vague and coy does not suit you.

    But it's par for the course for our resident Swedish Meatball.

    There is enough evidence to clearly make any statement of the left,
    walk up hill.

    But he can't accept any evidence that will show that he is wrong.

    You give a good description of yourself and some of your buddies, but
    since when did you start calling yourselves "Ignorant Elitists"?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Saturday, October 28, 2023 10:39:00
    It's just to digesting to see the support for Palestine and Hamas after they ha
    e butchered so many innocent lives, All of this hatred for Israel is based on l
    es and ignorant beliefs. Antisemitism starts at a very early age and is taught >o Palestinian children, by their parents.

    I do not support any of the recent actions by Hamas. Their initial
    targetting of non-military targets shows a lot of cowardice and dishonor on their part.

    On the other hand, Israel's targets are also very suspect. I have also
    found their treatment of Palestinians, which is not too far above how the
    Nazis treated the Jews, as more than a little hypocritical. They have
    occupied the West Bank (which is not theirs) since 1967, have continued to appropriate agricultural and other land from non-Jews, and have continued to send Jewish settlers into the occupied non-Jewish areas (hundreds of thousands).

    You could change a few words around in that last sentence and it would be
    true of the things that Germany did leading up to WWII (occupying their neighbor's territories, taking away Jewish land) and, inronically, things
    that our current government is doing that we don't like (allowing in
    "settlers" by the thousands).

    Aside from the innocent citizens on both sides, I have a difficult time
    looking at this (and most other) conflicts involving Israel and finding a
    side that deserves support. The only difference between this conflict and recent others is that Israel was not the initial aggressor this time.

    Our government, and many of our citizens, seem to have issues with Russia occupying Ukraine. I am not sure why Israel occupying what used to be a part of Jordan should be any different. I do agree that this is not the best
    time to be protesting the occupation (and outwardly, or seemingly, to
    support Hamas), but it is still there.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Sunday, October 29, 2023 08:12:58
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    I do not support any of the recent actions by Hamas. Their initial targetting of non-military targets shows a lot of cowardice and
    dishonor on their part.

    We've known that Islamic extremists are dishonorable since the days of the Crusades. Their religion teaches that non-believers are not human, therefore it's not wrong to kill any of them, nor is it wrong to break promises to them.

    Simply put, these people cannot be negotiated with (since we can't trust them to uphold their end of the agreement) and cannot coexist with others. They hate everyone except themselves.

    Aside from the innocent citizens on both sides, I have a difficult time looking at this (and most other) conflicts involving Israel and finding
    a side that deserves support. The only difference between this
    conflict and recent others is that Israel was not the initial aggressor this time.

    Yup. To me, it's always been two fleas fighting over the dog. IHMO: we should stay out and let them duke it out between themselves.

    But too many people want to use the conflict for their own purposes (having nothing to do with the conflict itself).


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Sunday, October 29, 2023 09:58:37
    On 28 Oct 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

    Aside from the innocent citizens on both sides, I have a difficult time looking at this (and most other) conflicts involving Israel and finding a side that deserves support. The only difference between this conflict
    and recent others is that Israel was not the initial aggressor this time.
    The reports of babies being murdered - whole families even the family dog being shot. The audio recording Palestinian pig of a son calling his father telling him to open the Whatsapp to see the carnage caused by him, proclaiming wildly and proudly that he has their blood on his hands, calling from the murdered womens cell phone. Ya know what? That - and the rest of this slaughter caused by these Palestinian animals. They (the Palestinians)
    deserve what is coming. Wipe them off the face of the Earth.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Sunday, October 29, 2023 08:57:00
    Yup. To me, it's always been two fleas fighting over the dog. IHMO: we shoul
    stay out and let them duke it out between themselves.

    Agreed.

    But too many people want to use the conflict for their own purposes (having nothing to do with the conflict itself).

    Also agreed. Some as a distraction from other things, some to make money,
    and some for still other purposes I am sure.

    As an aside, I have read some accounts of American citizens who tried to
    work through our embassy in order to get out safely but who found the
    embassy to be less than cooperative. Reminds me of the stories of similar issues during the Afghan withdrawl.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Monday, October 30, 2023 07:26:54
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Also agreed. Some as a distraction from other things, some to make
    money, and some for still other purposes I am sure.

    As I tell my wife, we are not in a world where the bad guys are fighting the good guys. We are living in a world where one group of bad guys are fighting another group of bad guys with the purpose of controlling everyone. And sometimes several groups of bad guys temporarily work together because the outcome is good for them.

    As an aside, I have read some accounts of American citizens who tried
    to work through our embassy in order to get out safely but who found
    the embassy to be less than cooperative. Reminds me of the stories of similar issues during the Afghan withdrawl.

    The idea that the gov't works FOR the people today is laughable.

    If I needed help, the last place I'd look is to the gov't.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Monday, October 30, 2023 08:19:00
    As an aside, I have read some accounts of American citizens who tried
    to work through our embassy in order to get out safely but who found
    the embassy to be less than cooperative. Reminds me of the stories of similar issues during the Afghan withdrawl.

    The idea that the gov't works FOR the people today is laughable.

    If I needed help, the last place I'd look is to the gov't.

    Agreed, but I would at least expect an embassy to try to be helpful.
    During the Afghan withdrawl, not only did the embassy supposedly ignore US citizens, the embassy concerns were in turn ignored by the Biden administration. If they are not helpful to citizens AND are ignored by officials in the US, what are they there for?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Monday, October 30, 2023 08:29:00
    Aside from the innocent citizens on both sides, I have a difficult time looking at this (and most other) conflicts involving Israel and finding a side that deserves support. The only difference between this conflict and recent others is that Israel was not the initial aggressor this time.
    The reports of babies being murdered - whole families even the family dog being
    shot. The audio recording Palestinian pig of a son calling his father telling h
    m to open the Whatsapp to see the carnage caused by him, proclaiming wildly and
    proudly that he has their blood on his hands, calling from the murdered womens >ell phone. Ya know what? That - and the rest of this slaughter caused by these >alestinian animals. They (the Palestinians)
    deserve what is coming. Wipe them off the face of the Earth.

    I sort of feel that way also, because they were the aggressors this time
    and because they initially (and openly) attacked civilian targets.
    However, I am not convinced that all Palestinians are happy with the
    actions of Hamas, and I am also convinced that a lot of the Israeli blood is
    on the hands of their own government.

    I feel for the non-combatant civilians on both sides and believe their governments/leadership to be 100% at fault (and 100% corrupt).


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Monday, October 30, 2023 08:30:00
    Also agreed. Some as a distraction from other things, some to make money, and some for still other purposes I am sure.

    As I tell my wife, we are not in a world where the bad guys are fighting the good guys. We are living in a world where one group of bad guys are fighting another group of bad guys with the purpose of controlling everyone. And sometimes several groups of bad guys temporarily work together because the outcome is good for them.

    Indeed. I am not sure when that changed, but anymore it is nearly always
    two groups of bad guys.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Monday, October 30, 2023 19:07:13
    On 30 Oct 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

    I sort of feel that way also, because they were the aggressors this time and because they initially (and openly) attacked civilian targets. However, I am not convinced that all Palestinians are happy with the actions of Hamas, and I am also convinced that a lot of the Israeli
    blood is on the hands of their own government.

    For those Palestinians who want to live and didn't have anything to do with the terrorist attack it is time to approach the Government of Israel and let them know that they are applaud and horrified by what has happened and that they in no way shape or form condone the what hammas or their violent countrymen have done.

    If they stay silent and do not come forward then their existence is forfeit.

    It is suspect (based upon what I seen here in the U.S. with all of this support for these Palestinian dogs) That there are very few Palestinians who have sympathy or regret for what has occurred. It's also logical to assume where many did not have a hand in creating this terror and did not have anything to so with the execution. These so called innocent have celebrated the
    slaughter. Specially considering this is what they have believed since birth.

    It is also a fore gone conclusion that the American Media and the weak minded liberals will continue to call this a genocide of Palestine.
    When it is really a necessary Purge of Evil.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, October 31, 2023 07:09:53
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Agreed, but I would at least expect an embassy to try to be helpful.

    In the past, I would agree with you. But under the Biden Regime, I would not expect any gov't employee to do their job.

    Either because they simply aren't competent do to it, or they have been told by their masters to not do it.

    During the Afghan withdrawl, not only did the embassy supposedly ignore
    US citizens, the embassy concerns were in turn ignored by the Biden administration. If they are not helpful to citizens AND are ignored by officials in the US, what are they there for?

    Right now, they exist to promote the Deep State and the Elitist Agenda.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, November 02, 2023 00:26:28
    Hello Greg,

    [,,]

    For those Palestinians who want to live and didn't have anything to do with
    the terrorist attack it is time to approach the Government
    of Israel and let them know that they are applaud and horrified by what has
    happened and that they in no way shape or form condone the what hammas or their violent countrymen have done.

    "War, any war that there is in the world -- I am also thinking
    of the battered Ukraine -- is a defeat."
    ~ Pope Francis, 23 October 2023

    Violence begets violence.
    More violence begets more violence.

    What is it about those simple concepts do you not understand?

    You will never cure violence by creating more violence. The only
    result of such action will be continued violence. That is why war
    is, and always has been, a losers game.

    When a killer breaks into a home and murders whoever is inside,
    normal people do not grab weapons of their own and shoot up the
    neighborhood in response. And yet, that is basically what the
    IDF is doing in Gaza. Murdering innocent people, in cold blood,
    for no reason other than just to do it.

    If they stay silent and do not come forward then their existence is forfeit.

    Like lambs to a slaughter. That is how you would like Palesinians
    to act and behave. As if those who are murdering them in cold blood
    have an absolute right to do so. You are one sick puppy.

    This is an excerpt of a letter to the US Senate, by the USCCB,
    Committee on International Relations and Peace, dated May 6, 2016 -


    -=begin excerpt=-

    In Evangelii Gaudium, Pope Francis captures this vision of a
    peaceful society:

    Nor is peace “simply the absence of warfare, based on a precarious
    balance of power; it is fashioned by efforts directed day after day
    towards the establishment of the ordered universe willed by God,
    with a more perfect justice among men”.

    In the end, a peace which is not the result of integral development
    will be doomed; it will always spawn new conflicts and various forms
    of violence. (219)

    The United States, in its efforts to establish an “ordered universe,”
    has long recognized acts of genocide and mass atrocities as important
    threats to global and national security. Our country has been a leader
    in the prevention of such acts since 1948. Our nation was one of the
    very first signers of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment
    of the Crime of Genocide. Over the decades, Congress and successive Administrations have given bipartisan support to measures and new
    structures to prevent and punish acts of genocide and atrocities.

    -=end excerpt=-

    It is suspect (based upon what I seen here in the U.S. with all of this support for these Palestinian dogs) That there are very few Palestinians who have sympathy or regret for what has occurred.

    Only a small handful of Palestinians conducted acts of terror.
    It is those acts that are condemned, and those responsible for
    having committed those acts should be brought to justice, as
    every society/country (including Israel) has a right to defend
    itself from harm.

    However, that does not condone any country (including Israel)
    to commit heinous acts (such as genocide). The problem is, Israel
    is not listening, but doing whatever it wants with no regard to
    any rule of law, as the IDF has its own kind of law and order
    that the rest of the world condemns.

    It's also logical to assume where many did not have a hand in creating this
    terror and did not have anything to so with the execution.

    There are 2 million residents of Gaza.
    Over 1 million of those residents have been displaced
    as a result of indiscriminate bombing by the IDF.
    The number of dead is only an estimate, and cannot
    be indepedently verified by anybody.
    And now the IDF has tanks on the ground.
    The real bloodbathh is yet to begin.

    These so called innocent have celebrated the slaughter.

    Residents of Gaza have nowhere to go, as they are the main
    targets of those who are bombing them. So why not cheer when
    an airplane crashes or an IDF soldier steps on a land mine?

    Specially considering this is what they have believed since birth.

    Well, it used to be "One more baby for Arafat."
    But times have changed.

    It is also a fore gone conclusion that the American Media and the weak minded liberals will continue to call this a genocide of Palestine. When it
    is really a necessary Purge of Evil.

    How nice it is to be led by a strong-willed POTUS who believes
    in the rule of law, rather than what we had before.

    For Life,
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, November 02, 2023 19:17:17
    On 02 Nov 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Violence begets violence.
    More violence begets more violence.

    What is it about those simple concepts do you not understand?
    Why can't you understand that Gaza would not be facing annihilation of which is a direct response to the atrocities of the innocent on 10/07/23.
    You will never cure violence by creating more violence. The only
    result of such action will be continued violence. That is why war
    is, and always has been, a losers game.
    What is your expectation of the Israel response? Are you suggesting it should of been "oh it's ok, those people didn't matter."
    Netanyahu has a spine, he is not spineless like the current American Pres.. Biden. What is worse is that these terrorists have said there will be more days like October 7th. Talk like this will surely wipe Gaza from existence. It will nothing more then dim memory. It's their own dam fault. Genocide, Purge or a much needed reset. Whatever words you want to use.

    When a killer breaks into a home and murders whoever is inside,
    normal people do not grab weapons of their own and shoot up the neighborhood in response. And yet, that is basically what the
    IDF is doing in Gaza. Murdering innocent people, in cold blood,
    for no reason other than just to do it.

    You are missing several key points, or the synapse has not been firing
    (for several years now) I would even question if it ever has.
    These hamas cowards stay very near innocent civilians and they put the innocent in harms way (including children) because they don't have the stones to fight without using the innocent as human shields. MSNBC, CNN or the 3 national fake-news dishonest networks won't tell you this as they deliberately leave that part of the story out of the broadcast.

    As for a thug entering my home, that will be one dead mofo.
    If they stay silent and do not come forward then their existence is forfeit.

    Like lambs to a slaughter. That is how you would like Palesinians
    to act and behave. As if those who are murdering them in cold blood
    have an absolute right to do so. You are one sick puppy.
    If these Palestinian dogs loved life so much and who doesn't.
    They should of thought about the consequences of their actions or the election of such forces like to Hamas. They are being lead by evil.

    Only a small handful of Palestinians conducted acts of terror.
    It is those acts that are condemned, and those responsible for
    having committed those acts should be brought to justice, as
    every society/country (including Israel) has a right to defend
    itself from harm.
    Where have I heard that before.
    Oh I know. 2020 it was only a peaceful protest or it was only a few bad apples. That caused so much destruction, these idiots of urban cess pool blue cities teared down those statues because
    1. They (the statues) were looking at them wrong or
    2. These idiots totally misunderstood why these figures of history were immortalized in stone as statues. In either event Education Matters...

    How nice it is to be led by a strong-willed POTUS who believes
    in the rule of law, rather than what we had before.

    I wouldn't call any POTUS strong, specially if he can't walk up a flight of stairs or there is hundreds of hours of youtube footage of his gaffes.

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