Is Biden's CDC suggesting that the best way to fight covid is to rip
open the border?
Is Biden's CDC suggesting that the best way to fight covid is to rip open the border?
Newsflash: COVID is already here, running rampant. Trump's efforts to close the borders did nothing to prevent that, and closing them now will neither fix nor reduce the problem. Closing the borders is, as always, a solution in search of a problem.
Ok. But what's Joe's plan? He was critical of Trump when campaigning. "Trump don't have a plan, he never had a plan, and he never will have a plan."
But after all that plan talk, Joe has no plan to help Americans recover from the pandemic either. More money has never been a good plan but all Joe can do so far is pass more of it around, this time with billions designated to rogue governments that send toddlers swimming across the Rio Grande.
On 02-11-21 13:41, Aaron Thomas <=-
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Lots of people were trashing Trump's handling of the pandemic by
saying "He never had a plan!"
Biden's been president for 4 weeks, but I don't see him closing any international travel - in fact, he's made international travel to the
USA easier than ever before, and visas are no longer needed.
Is Biden's CDC suggesting that the best way to fight covid is to rip
open the border?
But after all that plan talk, Joe has no plan to help Americans
recover from the pandemic either. More money has never been a good
plan but all Joe can do so far is pass more of it around, this time
with billions designated to rogue governments that send toddlers
swimming across the Rio Grande.
Silly talk.
Ok. But what's Joe's plan? He was critical of Trump when campaigning. "Trump don't have a plan, he never had a plan, and he never will have a plan."
Biden's been president for 4 weeks, but I don't see him closing any international travel - in fact, he's made international travel to the USA easier than ever before, and visas are no longer needed.
Are you for real? Joe Biden put his plan into action on day one. Perhaps you missed it?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/National-Strategy-for-the
-COVID-19-Response-and-Pandemic-Preparedness.pdf
Silly talk.
Sustained poisoned consciousness among millions of U.S. Americans. I suffer wit
you dear people.
No. What he is saying is that it does no good to close the barn door
when the horse is already outside. In other words, Covid and varients
are already here. The best way to fight covid is to have a national vacination plan, plus other measures such as contact tracing, masks and social distancing.
Have you been vacinated?
Most of us have seen no difference between what was being done and what is being done. Making what is already being done official does not make it a bright new idea.
When Trump tried to close the barn door, Nancy, deBlasio, Schummer and others called him racist and would have no part of it. A few weeks later, when it started looking like it might have been a good idea after all, their supporters complained that the President didn't do anything.
Are you for real? Joe Biden put his plan into action on day one. Perhaps you missed it?
Is Biden's CDC suggesting that the best way to fight covid is to rip open the border?
No. What he is saying is that it does no good to close the barn door
when the horse is already outside. In other words, Covid and varients
are already here. The best way to fight covid is to have a national vacination plan, plus other measures such as contact tracing, masks and social distancing.
Have you been vacinated?
Executive Summary:
Goal 1: Restore trust with the American people
Goal 2: Mount a safe, effective, comprehensive vaccination campaign
Goal 3: Mitigate spread through expanding masking, testing, treatment, data, workforce, and clear public health standards
Goal 4: Immediately expand emergency relief and exercise the Defense
Production Act
Goal 5: Safely reopen schools, businesses, and travel, while protecting
workers
Goal 6: Protect those most at risk and advance equity, including across racial, ethnic, and rural/urban lines
Goal 7: Restore U.S. leadership globally and build better preparedness
for future threats
1) Restore trust? Who doesn't trust who? That's priority #1??Goal #1, not priority #1.
2) Safe & effective vaccine? Haven't seen one like that yet.It's a goal.
3) Mitigate spread through masking - been doing that since the Trump daysAnd it needs to continue.
4) Congress already approved Trump's Defense Production Act a long time agoThe Defense Production Act isn't Trump's. It's something that Trump invoked, and that Biden intends to invoke as well. That it's invoked, and what it's invoked for, are two different things.
5) Safely reopen - Trump safely reopened plenty of stuff alreadySafely, though? And was it Trump, or the governors?
6) Protect those most at risk - Hopefully it's still on Joe's bucketIt made the list, didn't it?
list
7) Restore US leadership - Well done - cancelled the cancellation with the WHOAmong other things.
So if that's Joe's plan, he has done a great job with cancelling the cancellation of the WHO, but the rest of those goals haven't been
reached yet and they all sound pretty gimmicky to me, and I don't think people will care when or if those goals are ever achieved. Let's pass
more money around - nothing kills covid better than taxpayer money.
Based on another user's response to you, his plan sounds mostly like something that is supposed to make us feel good about what is going on
and to feel like he is doing something when really the end result for the individual is that we need to continue doing what we are doing... unless we are one of those who doesn't like social distancing or won't wear a mask.
According to that article there are 3 parts to Joe's "plan:"
1) Mask Mandate - Joe has mandated masks on federal property which protects Joe and Hunter and Nancy Pelosi but not many other people. Do you know what is meant by federal property?
2) Return to the WHO - We actually never even left the WHO. Trump cancelled a renewal which was to take place later this year, and Biden cancelled the cancellation.
3) Biden created a new job called "Covid-19 response coordinator" so some other guy with no plan (Jeff Zients) can be held accountable for Joe not having a plan either.
I'm not trying to be negative or pessmistic, but Joe bragged about having a plan and he complained about Trump not having one, now, like clockwork, Joe's plan is 99% gimmick, but the White House is a safer place than ever before.
That's how I see it too. People who didn't like Trump didn't listen to him, and now they're listening to Joe Biden say the same stuff and it sounds original to them.
According to that article there are 3 parts to Joe's "plan:"
3) Biden created a new job called "Covid-19 response coordinator" so some other guy with no plan (Jeff Zients) can be held accountable for Joe not having a plan either.
I'm not trying to be negative or pessmistic, but Joe bragged about having a plan
and he complained about Trump not having one,
but the White House is a safer place than ever before.
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No. What he is saying is that it does no good to close the barn door
when the horse is already outside. In other words, Covid and varients
are already here. The best way to fight covid is to have a national vacination plan, plus other measures such as contact tracing, masks and social distancing.
When Trump tried to close the barn door, Nancy, deBlasio, Schummer and others called him racist and would have no part of it. A few weeks
later, when it started looking like it might have been a good idea
after all, their supporters complained that the President didn't do anything.
Have you been vacinated?
So far, that is still a local level thing. I don't know about Aaron,
but my group's turn hasn't come up yet. Probably won't until Summer.
By that time, we should know if it even matters or not.
On 02-12-21 11:39, Aaron Thomas <=-
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The best way to fight covid is to have a national
vacination plan, plus other measures such as contact tracing, masks and social distancing.
But most of those things were already in place before Biden came
along. What kind of a "plan" for covid-19 was he talking about?
Have you been vacinated?
No. Andrew Cuomo said not to trust a vaccine approved by the FDA until
the NY DOH reviews it first.
So far, we have no report from the NY DOH
about the safety or effectiveness of any Trump2020 vaccine.
Plus I'm not eligible,
and plus a prominent spiritual advisor has advised against the vaccine.
Does your state let non-elites have the vaccine?
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On 11 Feb 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
Ok. But what's Joe's plan? He was critical of Trump when campaigning. "Trump don't have a plan, he never had a plan, and he never will have a plan."
It's the best plan, the greatest plan the world has ever seen, the most brilliant plan ever planned by anyone in the history of mankind. No one has ever had a plan like this. And you'll get to see it, you will. And when you see it, you'll love it, it's that great. Some people say it's
a genius plan. One medical official, whose name is not important, came
up to Biden and said, "Sir! This is the plan that will save America!"
He really did. It's that good, you'll see. You'll see.
But seriously, Biden's plan is at: http://whitehoue.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/National-Strategy-for-th e-COVID
-19-Response-and-Pandemic-Preparedness.pdf
Executive Summary:
Goal 1: Restore trust with the American people
Goal 2: Mount a safe, effective, comprehensive vaccination campaign
Goal 3: Mitigate spread through expanding masking, testing, treatment, data,
workforce, and clear public health standards
Goal 4: Immediately expand emergency relief and exercise the Defense
Production Act
Goal 5: Safely reopen schools, businesses, and travel, while protecting
workers
Goal 6: Protect those most at risk and advance equity, including across racial,
ethnic, and rural/urban lines
Goal 7: Restore U.S. leadership globally and build better preparedness
for
future threats
What was Trump's plan again?
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Biden's been president for 4 weeks, but I don't see him closing any international travel - in fact, he's made international travel to the USA easier than ever before, and visas are no longer needed.
He said he had a plan as part of his campaign. So far, I am not seeing much of a difference in how things are working yet. Pretty much the
same in this part of the US. Sounds like other areas are still encountering the same challenges.
Based on another user's response to you, his plan sounds mostly like something that is supposed to make us feel good about what is going on
and to feel like he is doing something when really the end result for
the individual is that we need to continue doing what we are doing... unless we are one of those who doesn't like social distancing or won't wear a mask.
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Are you for real? Joe Biden put his plan into action on day one. Perhaps you missed it?
The mask mandate only covers Federal property and, for the most part,
was already being observed in most places that were not closed.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/National-Strategy-for-the
-COVID-19-Response-and-Pandemic-Preparedness.pdf
Most of us have seen no difference between what was being done and what
is being done. Making what is already being done official does not
make it a bright new idea.
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Is Biden's CDC suggesting that the best way to fight covid is to rip open the border?
No. What he is saying is that it does no good to close the barn door
when the horse is already outside. In other words, Covid and varients
are already here. The best way to fight covid is to have a national vacination plan, plus other measures such as contact tracing, masks and social distancing.
But most of those things were already in place before Biden came along. What kind of a "plan" for covid-19 was he talking about? A plan to squander taxpayer money? That's only plan I see him having that Trump didn't have.
Have you been vacinated?
No. Andrew Cuomo said not to trust a vaccine approved by the FDA until
the NY DOH reviews it first. So far, we have no report from the NY DOH about the safety or effectiveness of any Trump2020 vaccine.
Plus I'm not eligible, and plus a prominent spiritual advisor has
advised against the vaccine.
Does your state let non-elites have the vaccine?
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Executive Summary:
Goal 1: Restore trust with the American people
Goal 2: Mount a safe, effective, comprehensive vaccination campaign
Goal 3: Mitigate spread through expanding masking, testing, treatment, data, workforce, and clear public health standards
Goal 4: Immediately expand emergency relief and exercise the Defense
Production Act
Goal 5: Safely reopen schools, businesses, and travel, while protecting
workers
Goal 6: Protect those most at risk and advance equity, including across racial, ethnic, and rural/urban lines
Goal 7: Restore U.S. leadership globally and build better preparedness
for future threats
That plan partially mimics the Trump response, but it still sucks!
1) Restore trust? Who doesn't trust who? That's priority #1??
2) Safe & effective vaccine? Haven't seen one like that yet.
3) Mitigate spread through masking - been doing that since the Trump
days 4) Congress already approved Trump's Defense Production Act a long time ago 5) Safely reopen - Trump safely reopened plenty of stuff
already 6) Protect those most at risk - Hopefully it's still on Joe's bucket list 7) Restore US leadership - Well done - cancelled the cancellation with the WHO
So if that's Joe's plan, he has done a great job with cancelling the cancellation of the WHO, but the rest of those goals haven't been
reached yet and they all sound pretty gimmicky to me, and I don't think people will care when or if those goals are ever achieved. Let's pass
more money around - nothing kills covid better than taxpayer money.
At least Biden has a plan, with goals. Trump had nothing.
This makes perfectly good sense. The federal government is the largest employer in the United States. Requiring your employees who must be in
I'd rather have someone in the Federal government try something than do nothing. Trump's response was abismal.
Find the gimmick? When you do, let me know. I'm happy to discuss each point with you ad nauseum.
What was Trump's plan?
ceased to be a thing. Incidentally, I don't recall the task force coming up with a plan, either.
Another part of Trump's "plan" was to downplay the numbers as much as possible, from leaving COVID-inflicted passengers at sea because "I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship" to arguing that increased testing leads to an increased number of cases.
A particularly infamous part of Trump's plan involved bleach and light.
Trump's "plan" did not include wearing masks. He refused to wear one in public and said they made people appear weak. His supporters ate this
up, making this more of an anti-plan.
Trump's "plan" also included lying repeatedly about the severity of
COVID, leading his followers to believe it no worse than the flu (or a cold) and even doubt its existence altogether. Since this also caused people to not take the precautions seriously, this was also more of an anti-plan.
Trump's "plan" did not involve safely reopening anything. It was all or nothing. Either the economy was completely shut down or everything was wide open.
Aside from what you mentioned Joe Biden is also getting the vaccine distributed. Trump failed in that regard also.
So did a lot of people. You know why? Because he had no plan.
That's hilarious! Trump executed Operation Warp Speed.
Amazon wouldn't distribute the vaccine because they wanted to hurt Trump.
Now that Biden's in office, they are willing to assist.
Trump had all the same goals as Biden plus more. Trump launched
Operation Warp Speed, and even Biden praised Trump for it while he injected the vaccine.
There are 80 year old US military veterans who are not yet eligible for the vaccine - but Biden got his - even Kamala got hers, but our veterans are lying down in nursing homes wishing that Biden was serious when he said he had a plan - but he let them down. He let everyone down, except for the brainwashed zombies who are still under CNN's hypnosis.
I suspect that Cuomo's statement was more a "don't trust Trump" rather than don't trust the FDA. He was perhaps concerned that Trump would
Who might that be? What scientific study did they use to advise against the vacine?
I do not know what you mean by non-elites. I am in a higher priority group and recieved my second dose earlier this week.
Elite (whoever that's supposed to mean), poor, any skin color, any religion, any political affiliation.... everyone can get it as soon as their group is eligible. Same for you and where you live. How do you not know this?
Nope. Trump refused to wear a mask in public, and made fun of Biden forWhat was Trump's plan?Follow CDC guidelines (masks, social distancing, hand-washing)
Let states be states (governors make the rules)Ok, but any actions by the governors are not part of Trump's plan/agenda/whatever. He isn't to blame for any of their failures, but nor
Taking ventilators from states with extra to states with shortagesWhat happened to "let states be states?"
Operation Warp SpeedYes, he did do that.
(More stuff that I don't remember.)Interesting.
I told you about Trump's plan, but I'm not sure if he ever called it "a plan." He probably called it "an agenda" or "a mission" but you're catching him on a technicality like Rain Man counting toothpicks. IfAnd yet, Biden's plan is esactly the same as Trump's "plan," right?
only Trump had called his agenda "A plan" then people would complain "He had no agenda!"
Those people should have stayed on the ship! Didn't we want Trump toThose Americans needed medical treatment. COVID was already here before Trump decided to close the borders.
close the borders after we got done calling him a racist for wanting to close borders? Now we're calling him culpable for keeping covid out of
our mainland?
Keep on drinking it - you've got to do it in full sun ;)People did actually follow Trump's advice and drink bleach. US poison control centers reported a 121% increase in disinfectant poisonings after Trump's comments.
I never saw Trump refuse to wear a mask. How hard is it to take a photoReally? He was quite adamant about it.
of Trump not wearing a mask and then hold it up and say "Look, Trump REFUSES to wear a mask in public!?"
Plans are over rated.But "agendas" aren't?
Vague and wrong! Do you remember "essential businesses only?"Fair enough, but that was advisory only. Remember "let states be states?"
On 12 Feb 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
Trump had all the same goals as Biden plus more. Trump launched Operation Warp Speed, and even Biden praised Trump for it while he injected the vaccine.
The idea that Trump had all the same goals as Biden is objectively
false. At least two of Biden's goals aim to undo the damage done by
Trump, so they could not possibly have been the same.
He does have a plan, but it is not a plan to fix everything in one month. Trump couldn't fix it in over a year.
Does that include rejoining the Paris Accords?Yep! Although we were talking specifically about Biden's COVID plan, to which the Paris Accord is irrelevant.
Eliminating the keystone pipeline killing thousands of jobs in the process.Thousands of temporary jobs. Alternative energy will also create thousands of jobs.
No longer having a America First Agenda.Well, not in the extreme nationalistic sense.
Maybe Biden will return to the Obama ways of appeasing Iran by dropping pallets of cash.That was Iran's money. This is an old, old talking point, and no less wrong
Biden has been claiming that fires in California are related to Global Warming, when it's really lack forestry management.The guy is a goof.It is related to climate change. And not, incidentally, Jewish Space Lasers.
Stopping Domestic travel from Florida, due to covid concerns, but not worrying about foreigners crossing into the United States from the southern border, these people are not even being tested, just come on in man, says Biden.You're misrepresenting Biden's border policy.
If you remember it was the media that suggested that the vaccine would not be available until later in the year of 2021, just another thing that they got incredibly wrong.Predicting the future has always been hit and miss. Remember Trump predicting that COVID would just disappear by Easter?
Keep on drinking it - you've got to do it in full sun ;)People did actually follow Trump's advice and drink bleach. US poison control centers reported a 121% increase in disinfectant poisonings
after Trump's comments.
If people drank Clorx or any other brand of bleach then their dumb, because that is not remotely what the President Trump said.
You would think that if your your smart enough to operate the TV remote then you should be smart enough not consume poison. But...
Amazon wouldn't distribute the vaccine because they wanted to hurt Tr
Amazon? Are you ordering your vaccine from Amazon? I'm not ordering my vaccine from Amazon!
Does that include rejoining the Paris Accords?Yep! Although we were talking specifically about Biden's COVID plan, to which the Paris Accord is irrelevant.
Eliminating the keystone pipeline killing thousands of jobs in the process.Thousands of temporary jobs. Alternative energy will also create
thousands of jobs.
No longer having a America First Agenda. JT> Well, not inthe extreme nationalistic sense.
Maybe Biden will return to the Obama ways of appeasing Iran by droppin
pallets of cash. JT> That was Iran's money.
Biden has been claiming that fires in California are related to Global Warming, when it's really lack forestry management.The guy is a goof.It is related to climate change. And not, incidentally, Jewish Space
Stopping Domestic travel from Florida, due to covid concerns, but not worrying about foreigners crossing into the United States from the southern border, these people are not even being tested, just come on man, says Biden.Lasers. You're misrepresenting Biden's border policy.
predicting that COVID would just disappear by Easter?If you remember it was the media that suggested that the vaccine would not be available until later in the year of 2021, just another thing that they got incredibly wrong.Predicting the future has always been hit and miss. Remember Trump JT>
On 13 Feb 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
If people drank Clorx or any other brand of bleach then their dumb, because that is not remotely what the President Trump said.
You would think that if your your smart enough to operate the TV remo then you should be smart enough not consume poison. But...
Much like the current impeachment trial, you can argue whether that's
what he meant to say, but there's no arguing that that's what at least some of his followers heard him say. But that's his base.
It's nice to have a lighting fast connection, where the message gets tossed and sent up and then back out back out into fidonet.Indeed!
I was like whoa you replied already, nice!
It's not, which was my point. The discussion until now has been about Biden's COVID plan.How is the Paris Accord Agreement connected in way to Covid?Does that include rejoining the Paris Accords?Yep! Although we were talking specifically about Biden's COVID plan, t which the Paris Accord is irrelevant.
I thought that the Paris Accords was about reducing the carbon footYep, that's wha it's about. And it's a lot easier to put pressure on China to curb their emissions if A) we are taking steps to curb our own, and B) we
print, of which the country of China does not need to follow - until several years from now, even though they are world's largest
contributers and therefore largest violators to Global Warming issue by far.
Oh you mean those Green Jobs like wind & solar, they will not produce enough energy, as our consumption of energy will far exceed the energy produced by these green initiatives.Eventually they will be capable of providing as much energy as fossil fuels currently do. Of course it's not going to happen overnight, but the sooner we get started, the sooner we'll get there.
In addition I would think that this would put us back to the lateHardly. We're currently stuck in the early 20th century.
1700's.
No more planes in the sky and all of the infrastructure wasted such airports not to mention all of those people work at airports.That's an interesting prediction. However, reducing our carbon emissions is
Why has the the Biden Administration not found new green jobs forIt's only been a month, man.
these people who are now unemployed.
You think of these jobs such as temporary but what about the positive effect with local businesses and the communities that these folks had a roll in.They're still temporary, and any local effects are likewise temporary.
Was it nationalistic? to stop other countries from ripping off the United States of America.Yes, removing the US from a position of global leadership towards
On this day of January 17th when the money was dropped off on pallets,It was the culmination of a 35-year settlement reached in arbitration in The Hague by US, Iranian, and neutral judges. What else happened that day? That
it was the same day that five American's were released from Iranian imprisonment. I submit they were OUR citizens, I would of leveled this dirt bag country and got our people home. The melody of "Death to
America" is not appealing to me.
Jewish Space? What? It is what I said it was of which is a total lack of forestry management; removing dead trees and planting new ones and the like.Ok, obviously you're not up on current events. No matter. Controlling climate change is also a form of forestry management.
ok? What is his border policy? Other then "come in man, no malarkey1. Create a task force to reunify families.
here."
Yeah about that. It was not the job of the media to predict anything as they were not in the leadership chair, they twisted Trumps words and bet against him every chance they got. Kayleigh McEnany did a magnificentAre you saying Trump didn't predict that COVID would disappear by Easter 2020?
job with putting these smug & arrogant - hateful so called media in
their rightful place.
Trump was acquitted, today 02-13-2021 as a matter of fact.
The idea that Trump had all the same goals as Biden is objectively
He does have a plan, but it is not a plan to fix everything in one month.
Biden's plan is the same as Trump's plus a year of free car washes.Then it's not the same, is it? But specifically,restoring trust with the American people and restoring US leadership globally (both part of Biden's plan) were most definitely not part of Trump's plan. In fact, those items
Joe needs to figure out a plan on how to pay for housing for 25,000 illegal immigrants. I don't want them to be homeless on the streets ofAs part of his COVID plan? Or are you attempting to change the subject?
our border states. What kind of friend are we if we treat them like that?
But I hope our American homeless don't get offended by us providing shelter for illegal immigrants first and American homeless later - it's not meant to be hurtful to anyone, it's meant to be helpful to the Democrat party.Ah, this old non-starter again. It is possible to work toward more than one goal at once. Pretending that we can only address one problem at a time is intellectually dishonest.
But I hope our American homeless don't get offended by us providing shelter for illegal immigrants first and American homeless later - it's not meant to be hurtful to anyone, it's meant to be helpful to the Democrat party.
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"Appointments are required" and "Appointments are not available."
https://am-i-eligible.covid19vaccine.health.ny.gov/
Unless you're elite:
https://imgur.com/a/ZQuhnm3
They've got honest trusting people scrambling for vaccines that have
death as a common side effect.
Joe has "a plan" to distribute it better than Trump.
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At least Biden has a plan, with goals. Trump had nothing.
Trump had all the same goals as Biden plus more. Trump launched
Operation Warp Speed, and even Biden praised Trump for it while he injected the vaccine.
There are 80 year old US military veterans who are not yet eligible
for the vaccine - but Biden got his - even Kamala got hers, but our
veterans are lying down in nursing homes wishing that Biden was serious
Yep, that's wha it's about. And it's a lot easier to put pressure on
China to curb their emissions if A) we are taking steps to curb our own, and B) we are part of a multinational coalition focused on curbing
global emissions.
In addition I would think that this would put us back to the late 1700's.Hardly. We're currently stuck in the early 20th century.
Why has the the Biden Administration not found new green jobs for these people who are now unemployed.
It's only been a month, man.
Was it nationalistic? to stop other countries from ripping off the Un States of America.
Yes, removing the US from a position of global leadership towards isolationism was nationalistic, as was the rhetoric that accompanied it.
It was the culmination of a 35-year settlement reached in arbitration in The Hague by US, Iranian, and neutral judges. What else happened that day? That day was also the day that the international compact rolling back Iran's nuclear program was set to take formal effect. And the US also released 7 Iranian prisoners. So there was a lot more going on than what you've chosen to cherry-pick.
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On 13 Feb 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
Trump was acquitted, today 02-13-2021 as a matter of fact.
Indeed he was, in a very political spectacle. That does not change the fact that a number of the people who stormed our Capitol are claiming
that they were following Trump's orders.
But the first vacine to be distributed did not come from Warp Speed, although Trump tried to claim that it did.
People in long term care facilities should be in the very top priority.
There are 80 year old US military veterans who are not yet eligible for the >vaccine - but Biden got his - even Kamala got hers, but our veterans are >lying down in nursing homes wishing that Biden was serious when he said he had
Amazon? Are you ordering your vaccine from Amazon? I'm not ordering my vaccine
rom Amazon!
Amazon is going to assist?
The idea that Trump had all the same goals as Biden is objectively false. At least two of Biden's goals aim to undo the damage done by Trump, so they could not possibly have been the same.
Cuomo, like other Democrats, was going off the rails of a covid train. They enjoyed closing stuff down, killing the elderly, and angering people who would then vote against Republicans for stuff that Democrats did.
Wind and Solar is great for one of those Radio Shack Science kits, but for use with our power consumption needs, I just do not see it.
Biden's plan is the same as Trump's plus a year of free car washes.Then it's not the same, is it? But specifically,restoring trust with the American people and restoring US leadership globally (both part of
one goal at once. Pretending that we can only address one problem at a time is intellectually dishonest.
Also, would you care to explain why, after four years of Trump's glorious reign, we still have American homeless?
I'll tell you exactly why: because to help them would, in the eyes of conservatives be "socialism," that's why. I have a funny feeling that
your concern for them is as fake as your argument.
Unless you're elite:
https://imgur.com/a/ZQuhnm3
Your point with that picture is what?
Most ranking public figures got vacinated for multiple reasons -- to
help insure continuity of government and to encourage the public to
trust the vacine.
People in long term care facilities should be in the very top priority.
By offering their distribution network, not the ability to purchase it from them. But, as usual, I am certain you already knew that and are being intentionally thick... and later, when it is mentioned you said this, you will flat out deny it and hope no one goes back to find where you did.
The United States will reduce it's emissions, but we (the U.S.) have the cleanest air and purest water anywhere on the planet, China is more then 10x the polluter than the U.S. is and yet they do not need abide by the Paris Accords until several years down the road. How does that make any sense?As I said, it's a lot easier to pressure China into curbing its emissions if we're not seen as hypocrites in doing so.
Wind and Solar is great for one of those Radio Shack Science kits, butYou underestimate it. No, you're not going to power your house with a Radio Shack solar cell, but there are also solar farms and wind farms that produce far more power than that. Other countries are doing it successfully, why are
for use with our power consumption needs, I just do not see it.
Yeah I know but in that one month of time, what has he done? He isAh, you mean like Trump's magnificent healthcare plan that was in all ways better than the ACA but in fact never existed? The plan is there, it is to phase out fossil fuel usage in favor of more environmentally sound sources of power. But it's not going to happen in a month. And it's not going to happen until we cut back on the easier (but far dirtier) methods of generating
undoing all of things that President Trump did or accomplished, of which he can do that because of his status as President but I would think
before he starts undoing everything that Trump did. First come up with a better plan first. But that is not how Biden thinks.
Do you believe that the United States was getting ripped off with lop sided trade deals and unfair tariffs, if so then it is not rhetoric because that was in fact what was happening and its been happening for years.Who is the US? Do you mean the US government, or US corporations? No one
Several points... I did not know that the U.S. had 7 Iranian prisonersViolating sanctions.
and I wonder for what was the charge, could it be terrorism, perhaps.
They were never going to allow for proper inspections by the U.S. orHistory? The settlement in question dates back to when Iran was our ally.
even the U.N. been down that road before. Current Events? Try History...
Maybe your not aware (depending on your news source) there wereYes, she was given warnings, by other members of Congress who were hearing things from their Republican and Trump-supporting acquaintances. There were also people seen there wearing T-shirts with the date printed on them. It was definitely planned in advance. But then again, Trump had been saying that something was going to happen that day, that his supporters needed to be
officials such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who received advance warning
of this event. There were pipe bombs placed on the gounds before this event and before President Trump gave his speech.
There were also tens of thousands of folks who went to this but only 250 are persons of interest?Correct. Not everyone who was there stormed the Capitol.
"You see, but you do not observe."You see what fits your worldview, and observe what confirms your existing beliefs, but are blind to everything else.
~ Arthur Conan Doyle
You mean the damage caused by not closing the borders fast enough because he could not get cooperation from Pelosi and other congress critters who said closing the borders was racist?He closed the borders by executive order; it required neither permission nor cooperation from Congress. But did he really close them? He closed them to Chinese nationals, but not American travelers returning home. And the virus
Restore what? 1/2 of the American people already trusted the Trump administration, now 1/2 of America distrusts the Biden administration. That's not fixable. No party is ever going to be happy with the other because we've both got extremist presidents who sign executive ordersTrump lied constantly. His supporters only believed him because he was
all day.
And to restore US leadership globally makes no sense, because it has nothing to do with the pandemic. It's just a way for Joe to pander to rogue regimes the same way he pandered to black voters.Trump withdrew the US from the WHO, among other things. US membership in the WHO is a position of global leadership. Trump took a turn toward
I know we were talking about "Biden having a plan to combat theHow do you know they'll be homeless? Typically they are released to family already in the US.
pandemic" but how does 25,000 homeless illegal immigrants help in the fight against the pandemic?
Trump never made any campaign pledge to put an end to homelessness. Neither did Obama, and that's why neither of them lifted a finger for homeless Americans.And yet it keeps being brought up as an excuse to not do other things. If
What does Joe do to help the homeless that Trump and Obama failed to do? He increases the homeless population by 25,000.Not necessarily. You're assuming that they will be homeless, but that is not for certain. As I mentioned before, they are typically released to family already living in the US.
Wind and Solar is great for one of those Radio Shack Science kits, but f use with our power consumption needs, I just do not see it.
Building turbines and solar panels takes more energy than these products are expected to make in their average operating lifetimes. The only way they become viable is if we are willing to serious curb our energy needs, not just by saving electricity but by being willing to do without things like AC and heat.
Most of the green preachy people I know are not even willing to give up their SUVs (for whatever excuse) or their mobile devices or Internet,
much less their climate control.
Bye Bye Cuomo and take that sh!tbag Fredo with you!
Hmmm, they must live in certain states where the Governor is actively trying to kill seniors. I think anyone 80+ was in the Phase 1 group in
my state, veteran or otherwise.
Building turbines and solar panels takes more energy than these products are expected to make in their average operating lifetimes. The only way they become viable is if we are willing to serious curb our energy needs, not just by saving electricity but by being willing to do without things like AC and heat.
There used to be a time when the Senate was Republican and the Assembly was Democrat run in Albany, NY I have to say the folks within the Assembly were some of the dumbest people I have ever dealt with and all the countless committees within the Assembly.Bye Bye Cuomo and take that sh!tbag Fredo with you!
The state assembly should offer him a deal like "No prosecution if you resign."
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As I said, it's a lot easier to pressure China into curbing its
emissions if we're not seen as hypocrites in doing so.
How do you know they'll be homeless? Typically they are released to
family already in the US.
Not necessarily. You're assuming that they will be homeless, but that is not for certain. As I mentioned before, they are typically released to family already living in the US.
There used to be a time when the Senate was Republican and the Assembly was Democrat run in Albany, NY I have to say the folks within the
Assembly were some of the dumbest people I have ever dealt with and all the countless committees within the Assembly.
Did you ever find your self a fido home, connecting to systems where you can is totally fine, but I am to hear to help if you want a node of your own.
Restore what? 1/2 of the American people already trusted the Trump administration, now 1/2 of America distrusts the Biden administration. That's not fixable. No party is ever going to be happy with the other because we've both got extremist presidents who sign executive orders all day.
It will never be easy to get China to commit to anything. The people of China have no reason to care about the environment. They care about not being enslaved and tortured though.I disagree. What are your sources?
If they had families who were willing to sponsor them, they wouldn't be illegal immigrants in the first place.
If staying with family means stabbing an elderly couple to death forThat is a vast minority. One that should be dealt with, certainly, but not
their jewelry, then staying with family sucks!
Is the murder something that Democrats want? Do we want them to be desperate and killing for food & jewelry? How do Democrats profit from that? Are we going to starve them, give them voting privileges, and then tell them they can have some food if Biden gets elected?Nope. None of the above. That is anti-immigrant propaganda.
You're "typically" full of it. You know very little about immigration.More than you. apparenly.
I've brought family over (from central america) LEGALLY and was able toGood for you. Your case is not the typical contested case. Just because it worked out for you one way does not mean that other circumstances do not
do so because I have collateral. If they had family to stay with (who
are legal) then they wouldn't need to sneak in. If they had family here who were encouraging them to sneak in, then those family members should try swimming in the river too!
The state assembly should offer him a deal like "No prosecution if you resign."
What would become of the governor's office if he were to resign?
It seems like Cuomo has a grudge against elderly people.
On 02-14-21 10:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: No Plan like Biden's <=-
But the first vacine to be distributed did not come from Warp Speed, although Trump tried to claim that it did.
It was Trump's initiative clearly, I know you would like to pretend it
was not Trump who did this. History knows the truth.
On 02-14-21 09:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: No Plan like Biden's <=-
People in long term care facilities should be in the very top priority.
But they are not because that's not part of Trump's plan (which is now being called Biden's plan.)
There used to be a time when the Senate was Republican and the Assemb was Democrat run in Albany, NY I have to say the folks within the
Senator Fred Akshar(R) is pretty cool. He's an ex cop, so you can
probably understand some of his frustration with Cuomo.
Assembly were some of the dumbest people I have ever dealt with and a the countless committees within the Assembly.
Did you ever find your self a fido home, connecting to systems where y can is totally fine, but I am to hear to help if you want a node of yo own.
Thanks, it's working smoothly like this for now. I appreciate you more than you might think - I just couldn't bring a guest into my server for
BBS stuff because I had other business running on it at the time.
NY conservatives MUST stick together, and we MUST turn this state around!
People in long term care facilities should be in the very top priority.
That didn't work out to well here in New York long term care facilities.
"Look whether a person died in a hospital or died in a nursing home, it's -
the people," " Cuomo said " People died"
Now we know that he lied about the actual numbers of deaths to keep them from
the Feds.
Bye Bye Cuomo and take that sh!tbag Fredo with you!
It was Trump's initiative clearly, I know you would like to pretend i was not Trump who did this. History knows the truth.
Of the two vacines currently in distribution, one came with support from Warp speed, and one did not. The one that did not was out the gate
first.
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On 02-14-21 09:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: No Plan like Biden's <=-
People in long term care facilities should be in the very top priorit
But they are not because that's not part of Trump's plan (which is no being called Biden's plan.)
But they are in the top priority. Read the CDC priority tiers.
It seems like Cuomo has a grudge against elderly people. My dad is 80 and temporarily in a nursing home for surgery recovery, and for what it's worth, he's a veteran. Cuomo's friend Chris Rock got his vaccine already, but my dad's DR said she will call him when he's eligible.
This statement is false. Earth scientist David Hughes did write something similar in an essay, but it has been taken out of context. He was referring to certain wind turbines, but not all turbines. In reality, there are turbines that can recoup the energy used to manufacture them in less than 3 years, well below their average operating lifetimes.
Did you catch a look of whom Biden has picked for assistant health secretary, it is a transvestite and it is hideous btw, the rest of his picks are not much better. It's like Biden and Harris are going out of their way to pick people of color. Hire the best people, if they happen to be black or white its fine.
When will we have solar or electric jet planes, so that the celebrities and politicians can get to their green conferences to make sure this all happens?
On 02-15-21 14:48, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: No Plan like Biden's <=-
Of the two vacines currently in distribution, one came with support from Warp speed, and one did not. The one that did not was out the gate
first.
How many vaccines do you think there would of been without Warp speed?
On 02-15-21 15:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: No Plan like Biden's <=-
Did you catch a look of whom Biden has picked for assistant health secretary, it is a transvestite and it is hideous
btw, the rest of his
picks are not much better. It's like Biden and Harris are going out of their way to pick people of color. Hire the best people, if they happen
to be black or white its fine.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
The United States will reduce it's emissions, but we (the U.S.) have
the cleanest air and purest water anywhere on the planet, China is more then 10x the polluter than the U.S. is and yet they do not need abide
by the Paris Accords until several years down the road. How does that
make any sense?
Wind and Solar is great for one of those Radio Shack Science kits, but
for use with our power consumption needs, I just do not see it.
Yeah I know but in that one month of time, what has he done? He is
undoing all of things that President Trump did or accomplished, of
which he can do that because of his status as President but I would
think before he starts undoing everything that Trump did. First come up with a better plan first. But that is not how Biden thinks.
Jeff Thiele wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-
Democrats lied constantly. Their supporters only believed him because they were telling them what they wanted to hear, whether it was true or not.
Trump withdrew the US from the WHO, among other things. US membership
in the WHO is a position of global leadership.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-
It seems like Cuomo has a grudge against elderly people.
When will we have solar or electric jet planes, so that the celebrities and
politicians can get to their green conferences to make sure this all
happens?
This. Its amusing to me all the private-jet excursions and basking in the rewards of that so-called evil capitalism the celebrity/elite enjoys while rubbing our noses deep in climate change hysteria nonsense.
How do you know when a Democrat is lying? His lips move.
*Laugh* China controls the WHO. The only "leadership" the U.S. gets it being the #1 funder.More lies. It's the WHO, not the USHO. It benefits the world, not the US.
But how much power does each one put out? How many does it take to replace a coal or NG fired plant? Once we all have electric cars, how many turbines and panels will be needed to keep everything moving and to keep your AC and heat on?I'm sure that information is available. I have limited bandwidth right now because the entire state of Texas is FROZEN. The gas and coal generation
Biden currently has a 55% favorable and a 41% unfavorable rating, according to gallup.
Trump had a 41% favorable and 57% unfavorable rating according to the
same poll.
being enslaved and tortured though.I disagree. What are your sources?
If they had families who were willing to sponsor them, they wouldn't illegal immigrants in the first place.
Umm... Yes they would. That's how "catch and release" works.
The state assembly should offer him a deal like "No prosecution if yo resign."
No, if he is guilty of a crime then he should be prosecuted.
It seems like Cuomo has a grudge against elderly people.
Why do you say that?
I discovered a loophole within New York DMV traffic law known as
The Ways and Means committee found it difficult to define the capacity
of a school bus and could not make the distinction of what color a
school bus should be. The ring leader of the Ways and Means was non
other then Sheldon Silver who I think is in prison at this time.
This was never passed to this day but it doesn't hurt if I should be interested one day with running for a political office.
Don't you know that one conservative is worth a room full of liberals.
picks are not much better. It's like Biden and Harris are going out of their way to pick people of color. Hire the best people, if they happen
to be black or white its fine.
Let me give it to you from a source who speaks your language well: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/asia/xinjiang-explainer-intl-hnk-scli/indexbeing enslaved and tortured though.I disagree. What are your sources?
It has nothing to do with "catch and release." Illegals are NOT required "to have family to stay with" to be eligible for catch and release. Catch and release is for ALL illegals. You're confusing illegal immigrants"Catch and Release" is not for "ALL illegals." It is for those seeking asylum and, if possible (and especially if they are children) they are released to a relative or some other sponsor until their hearing.
with legal immigrants, which is likely a result of your news sources brainwashing you.
It doesn't matter too much whether the American people are happy with the outcome of the impeachment trial.
It's important to Ana Cabrera and Poppy Harlowe, because they enjoy stirring emotions, but it's not the senate's place to make the American people happy,
they're just supposed to make a lawful verdict.
The Democrat controlled NYS senate is not going to convict a Democrat governor.
They've done it in recent history to another governor but Cuomo
is a friend of the Clinton/Obama/Biden klan, and Biden was just recently trying to recruit Cuomo for Secretary of State of of the USA - a BIG mistake for Joe's reputation, and it would make an even bigger stain on the Biden admin if Cuomo were to be found guilty. (Which is why he won't be found guilty.)
Why do you say that?
1) Thousands of elderly people dead from covid because of Cuomo's executive order mandating that covid patients are to be returned to their nursing homes while still recovering from covid despite the nursing homes' capacity to quarantine covid-positive residents.
How many vaccines do you think there would of been without Warp speed
Read what I wrote, and answer your own question.
On 02-15-21 15:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: No Plan like Biden's <=-
Did you catch a look of whom Biden has picked for assistant health secretary, it is a transvestite and it is hideous
What is your point with that sentence.
btw, the rest of his
picks are not much better. It's like Biden and Harris are going out their way to pick people of color. Hire the best people, if they happ to be black or white its fine.
How do you know that they did not hire the best people?
I discovered a loophole within New York DMV traffic law known asIn my area the schools don't provide transportation for pre-k kids. But they do in your area?
school bus should be. The ring leader of the Ways and Means was non other then Sheldon Silver who I think is in prison at this time.
What do they get out of this? Not having to admit to a mistake? (They
love not having to admit to a mistake!)
This was never passed to this day but it doesn't hurt if I should be interested one day with running for a political office.
I'd vote for you! As you probably know, there were approximately 25 Democrats elected in uncontested state assembly elections last year.
Come to Binghamton and run against Donna Lupardo in district 123! Or
choose from like 24 other districts with no Republican candidate.
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Don't you know that one conservative is worth a room full of
liberals
No there was nothing after that but there was more text above this.Don't you know that one conservative is worth a room full of GD>> liberals
Your message seems to end there for some reason. No tear or origin line
at all.. it just ends there.
I've noticed that happen to your messages a couple times recently. Did
you write more after that?
I don't mean to complain. I'm just letting you know there might be some kind of issue.
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Don't you know that one conservative is worth a room full of GD>> liberals
Your message seems to end there for some reason. No tear or origin line
at all.. it just ends there.
I've noticed that happen to your messages a couple times recently. Did
you write more after that?
I don't mean to complain. I'm just letting you know there might be some kind of issue.
Ttyl :-),
Al
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On 02-16-21 18:56, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: No Plan like Biden's <=-
Come on Dale a Trans person?
Come on Dale a Trans person?
What does being Transgender have to do with the person's ability to do
the job?
Come on Dale a Trans person?
What does being Transgender have to do with the person's ability to do
the job?
Come on Dale a Trans person?
What does being Transgender have to do with the person's ability to do
the job?
The inability to make the correct Choice.
If they can not make the correct choice for themselves, why should we trust
them to make the correct choices for us, when they govern.
temperatures for days. We don't have enough solar or wind power to take up the slack because the oil and gas industries spread lies about them to protect their precious monopoly. And by the way, there are wind turbines working just fine in Antarctica.
*Laugh* China controls the WHO. The only "leadership" the U.S. gets it being >the #1 funder.
Pulling out of the WHO and stopping that money leak was a great idea.
How do I know that? Because one of the first thing that Biden did was
put the U.S. back in.
The WHO has done NOTHING for us. It's a waste of taxpayer money.
1) Thousands of elderly people dead from covid because of Cuomo's executive order mandating that covid patients are to be returned to their
nursing homes while still recovering from covid despite the nursing homes
capacity to quarantine covid-positive residents.
They had to go somewhere, where else would they go?
I have been talking with some folks having issues on other parts of the country where the turbines are frozen. Antarctica is cold for sure, but it is also a desert. They don't get much freezing rain down that way.There are also wind turbines in Canada and northern Europe that don't freeze up. The difference is that they've been winter-proofed. Of course, if
I was referring to your claim that the Chinese have no reason to
care about the environment.
I was referring to your claim that the Chinese have no reason toYou don't watch the news much, do you? They might have reason to care, yes, and individuals might care, but they have a horrible record when it comes to the environment, and that is only the stuff we know about.
care about the environment.
On 02-17-21 08:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: No Plan like Biden's <=-
Come on Dale a Trans person?
What does being Transgender have to do with the person's ability to do
the job?
The inability to make the correct Choice.
If they can not make the correct choice for themselves, why should we trust them to make the correct choices for us, when they govern.
They had to go somewhere, where else would they go?
Maybe to the hospital,
like the empty hospital ship out in NYC harbor that was sent by the federal government so that they could treat/quarantine covid patients?
In this week's snow and ice storm, the wind generators froze and took power out for any areas dependent on them. So, it could be in the single-digits
Jeff Thiele wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Trump lied more than any politician I'm aware of,
*Laugh* China controls the WHO. The only "leadership" the U.S. gets it being the #1 funder.
More lies.
It's the WHO, not the USHO. It benefits the world, not the US.
Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-
The WHO has done NOTHING for us. It's a waste of taxpayer money.
I am still shocked that there are people here (and apparently in
western Canada) who believe otherwise.
Standard Leftie response to anything that violates the Narrative.
that had a fleet of buses of all sizes, some w/ a 60 seat capacity, some smaller. or your everyday station wagons of which is worrisome because they do not have the same protection as to what a Thomas School has.
Personally I believe there was a kick-back of the sinister & financial kind. Sheldon Silver was that kind of sleaze.
People need to be moved into action. Such a question that might simply be What have the Democrats done for you?
Yes, the message I got here ended with "room full of liberals." I didn't get your sig or a tear and origin line.
Come on Dale a Trans person?
What does being Transgender have to do with the person's ability to do
the job?
The inability to make the correct Choice.
If they can not make the correct choice for themselves, why should we
trust them to make the correct choices for us, when they govern.
Why is their choice not the correct choice for themself? Do you have
some inherent prejudice against people who are transgender?
They had to go somewhere, where else would they go?
Maybe to the hospital,
Yes. If they need hospitalization that's where they should go.
like the empty hospital ship out in NYC harbor that was sent by the
federal government so that they could treat/quarantine covid patients?
That's another possibility. I don't know if that would be better than sending them home. Home is where most quarantine.
A ship out in the harbor full of covid positive people doesn't strike me as
a great option.
I was referring to your claim that the Chinese have no reason to care about the environment.You don't watch the news much, do you? They might have reason to care, yes, and individuals might care, but they have a horrible record when it comes to the environment, and that is only the stuff we know about.
So, a reversal then?
That's another possibility. I don't know if that would be better than sending t
em home. Home is where most quarantine.
A ship out in the harbor full of covid positive people doesn't strike me as a g
eat option.
There are also wind turbines in Canada and northern Europe that don't freeze up. The difference is that they've been winter-proofed. Of course, if
the coal, gas, and nuclear plants had been winterized, they wouldn't be having problems, either. The people running those plants chose not to pay for that, though, hoping that it wouldn't be needed. Obviously, it was.
I would assume they don't care since (1) they do little to protect it,By those standards, and considering that Trump withdrew us from the Paris Accord, would you conclude that Americans care about their environment?
and (2) the Paris accord does not force them to do anything anytime soon.
They are less apt to get freezing rain in Canada and northern Europe. In the middle latitudes of our country, where warm and cold air meet, you
are likely to see that at least once a year. Also a lot more likely to
go through more thaw-and-freeze cycles than you are farther North.
I suspect that is why there are very, very few, if ANY wind turbines in
my area, but they are common farther North of here.
Winterizing increases the cost and makes it more likely the power generated won't cover the cost of building and maintaining it.
Winterizing increases the cost and makes it more likely the power generated won't cover the cost of building and maintaining it.
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
I have been talking with some folks having issues on other parts of the country where the turbines are frozen. Antarctica is cold for sure,
but it is also a desert. They don't get much freezing rain down that
way.
Jeff Thiele wrote to Mike Powell <=-
wouldn't be having problems, either. The people running those plants
chose not to pay for that, though, hoping that it wouldn't be needed. Obviously, it was.
"Frozen Windmills" are a Fox News red herring. Wind power is responsible for around 7% of Texas' power generation, from what I'm told.
That was in the early 80s, so
aparently I wasn't covered by the law at the time either. Luckily
nothing bad happened!
Yes, the message I got here ended with "room full of liberals." I did get your sig or a tear and origin line.
It was kinda eerie wasn't it? Let's hope Gregory is ok! ;)
"Frozen Windmills" are a Fox News red herring. Wind power is responsible for around 7% of Texas' power generation, from what I'm told.
I would assume they don't care since (1) they do little to protect it, and (2) the Paris accord does not force them to do anything anytime soon.By those standards, and considering that Trump withdrew us from the Paris Accord, would you conclude that Americans care about their environment?
So you're saying that the wind turbines in Canada and northern Europe aren't winterized? And I would definitely say that Canada and northern Europe get more freezing rain than Central and South Texas, and also go through more thaw-and-freeze cycles than Central and South Texas.
The wind turbines in northern Europe and Canada are also winterized, and saying that the cost to manufacture them outweighs the energy they provide is an outdated talking point.
More so than the CCP does. The Paris Accord did little but set us up to pay while others were allowed to pollute. Basically, to make people like yourself feel good, like there was something being done.Pay who for what?
Of course not, "Weather Alert" said that. Since you're replying as if I'dSo you're saying that the wind turbines in Canada and northern Europe ar winterized? And I would definitely say that Canada and northern Europe g more freezing rain than Central and South Texas, and also go through mor thaw-and-freeze cycles than Central and South Texas.I never said that.
Maybe more than Texas, but it is not as common there as snow. Do youUm, ok. Are you saying that the RATIO of snow to freezing rain causes the turbines to freeze up? Or are you saying that snow, and not freezing rain, causes them to freeze? More freezing rain is more freezing rain, no matter
even know the difference? If you live somewhere that stays cold,
freezing rain is not very common.
If the wind turbines in Canada are used for supplemental power, which is what a Canadian poster has said here in recent days, then they are not using them as a primary power source (which, IIRC, the poster said was nuclear). You seem to believe that they are a viable primary source everywhere. As I originally said, unless everyone, including the elites who want us to go green, is willing to stop using most of their electric appliances and do-dads, they are not.It doesn't matter if they're using them as a primary power source or not. The matter at question is their reliability. It does not follow that if Canadians don't use them as a primary power source then doing so will cause electric do-dads to fail.
The wind turbines in northern Europe and Canada are also winterized, and saying that the cost to manufacture them outweighs the energy they provi an outdated talking point.You keep saying that. It sounds like a not-really-all-the-truth talking point for people who don't understand what all going green would really entail.
everywhere. As I originally said, unless everyone, including the elites who want us to go green, is willing to stop using most of their electric appliances and do-dads, they are not.More efficient electronic appliances and do-dads are also an option. In the mid-20th century, a computer no more powerful than a calculator was a massive endeavor requiring a huge amount of power. As I'm sure you're aware, we have much more powerful computers now that run on much less power. But it's also true that even lower power usage is very much a design consideration in designing new chips. They don't just use less power because their technology does; they use less power because they were intentionally designed to use
"Frozen Windmills" are a Fox News red herring. Wind power is responsible for around 7% of Texas' power generation, from what I'm told.
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Trump lied more than any politician I'm aware of,
Then you're completely unaware of the Democrats. But since you
obviously only get your information from the Propaganda
Ministry....er... Leftie Media, I can see why you would believe that.
*Laugh* China controls the WHO. The only "leadership" the U.S. gets it being the #1 funder.
More lies.
Standard Leftie response to anything that violates the Narrative.
It's the WHO, not the USHO. It benefits the world, not the US.
Globalism is socialism. Just because it has the word "world" in it doesn't mean it's there for the benefit of the world.
And what country has produced the most advances is the medical field?
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There are also wind turbines in Canada and northern Europe that don't freeze up. The difference is that they've been winter-proofed. Of course, if
the coal, gas, and nuclear plants had been winterized, they wouldn't be having problems, either. The people running those plants chose not to pay
that, though, hoping that it wouldn't be needed. Obviously, it was.
They are less apt to get freezing rain in Canada and northern Europe.
In the middle latitudes of our country, where warm and cold air meet,
you are likely to see that at least once a year. Also a lot more
likely to go through more thaw-and-freeze cycles than you are farther North.
I suspect that is why there are very, very few, if ANY wind turbines in
my area, but they are common farther North of here.
Winterizing increases the cost and makes it more likely the power generated won't cover the cost of building and maintaining it.
It's the senate who make the laws, and in this case they were
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It's the senate who make the laws, and in this case they were
No, it doesn't!
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