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Democrats introduce LGBTQ Equality Act in House and Senate - make clear
Biden has 'made it a priority'

Source: Rawstory

The Equality Act remains a much-needed tool in the protection of LGBTQ
people, women, and other minorities, because 29 states still do not
protect these people in all areas, including employment, education,
credit, jury service, federal funding, housing, and public
accommodations, as Rep. Cicilline said in a statement Thursday.

“In 2021, every American should be treated with respect and dignity," Cicilline says in a press release. “Yet, in most states, LGBTQ people
can be discriminated against because of who they are, or who they love.
It is past time for that to change. I'm proud to introduce the Equality
Act today, and I look forward to continuing to work with Senator
Merkley to get this bill signed into law."

In 2019 the Equality Act passed the House in a historic 236-173
bipartisan vote. But then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
refused to even allow it to be taken up in a committee.

“All of us go to work and school, go home, and go shopping, and none
of us should have to keep our families hidden or pretend to be someone
we're not to do those things," Merkley added. “But in 29 states,
Americans can still be evicted, be thrown out of a restaurant, or be
denied a loan because of who they are or whom they love. We all love
the vision of America as a land of freedom and equality, but are we
willing to take the steps to make that vision closer to reality? Let's
make 2021 the year the Equality Act crosses the finish line and is
signed into law by President Biden."

Read more:

https://www.rawstory.com/democrats-introduce-lgbtq-equality-act-in- house-and-senate-make-clear-biden-has-made-it-a-priority/

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Democrats introduce LGBTQ Equality Act in House and Senate - make clear Biden has 'made it a priority'

What if I hire a straight guy with a good work history instead of a gay guy with a lousy work history?

Will I get sued? Does the bill require hiring anything and everything that's not a straight white male? Will I be required to fire all straight white
males?

What if I hire a gay guy, but then I find out that he tricked me and he's actually straight? Will my company be fined? Do they still sell those bracelet testers?

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On 19 Feb 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

What if I hire a straight guy with a good work history instead of a gay guy with a lousy work history?

If you can document that sexual orientation wasn't the only reason that you chose one over the other, you're fine.

Jeff.

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What if I hire a straight guy with a good work history instead of a g guy with a lousy work history?

If you can document that sexual orientation wasn't the only reason that you chose one over the other, you're fine.

I'm glad to hear that, but how would anyone prove otherwise?

Suppose I turn Anderson Cooper down for a job as a news anchor, and he sues me. I turned him down because of his arrogance, not for his sexual orientation. But now I need to prove that in court? What will happen if Anderson's attorney has evidence of me posting anti-gay stuff on a BBS 30 years ago? But I'm fine as long as I have his application and I wrote a comment on it that says "Denied due to arrogance and not due to homosexuality?"

If that's the case, then this new law doesn't help anybody other than Joe Biden. It puts a hero badge on his jean jacket, but that badge is like a plastic one from a toy store.

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On 20 Feb 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I'm glad to hear that, but how would anyone prove otherwise?
Suppose I turn Anderson Cooper down for a job as a news anchor, and he sues me. I turned him down because of his arrogance, not for his sexual orientation. But now I need to prove that in court? What will happen if Anderson's attorney has evidence of me posting anti-gay stuff on a BBS
30 years ago? But I'm fine as long as I have his application and I wrote
a comment on it that says "Denied due to arrogance and not due to homosexuality?"

You would have to prove that his arrogance made him the lesser candidate,
that it would somehow impact his job performance regardless of what you
thought of him as a person. You would have to prove that the other candidate was objectively the better choice.

Jeff.

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On 20 Feb 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

If you can document that sexual orientation wasn't the only reason th you chose one over the other, you're fine.

I'm glad to hear that, but how would anyone prove otherwise?

Also, think of it kind of like a "stand your ground" kind of law, where
people are allowed to shoot others provided that they "feel" sufficiently threatened. Who is to say if they were or weren't threatened? Well, nobody, really. Who is to say that you didn't refuse to hire an LGBTQ person if they "feel" sufficiently shunned? Hey, at least they didn't shoot you.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

Democrats introduce LGBTQ Equality Act in House and Senate - LL>make

clear Biden has 'made it a priority'

What if I hire a straight guy with a good work history instead of a gay guy
with a lousy work history?

Thank God the director of "La Cage Aux Folles" had the good sense
to hire great actors who could play the parts!

Will I get sued?

Only if they weren't really who they pretended they be.

Does the bill require hiring anything and everything that's
not a straight white male? Will I be required to fire all straight white males?

There is also the female variety. And the shemale variety.

What if I hire a gay guy, but then I find out that he tricked me and he's actually straight?

Apparently you have never seen "La Cage Aux Folles".
Or the sequel "La Cage Aux Folles II".

Will my company be fined?

I really do not want to spoil the story ...

Do they still sell those bracelet testers?

You'll just have to watch the movie(s) to find out ...

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thought of him as a person. You would have to prove that the other candidate was objectively the better choice.

That sounds logical and everything, but it's just another photo-op for Joe. "After I exploited black people, I became president and exploited gay people."

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Apparently you have never seen "La Cage Aux Folles".
Or the sequel "La Cage Aux Folles II".

I'll have to ask the guy at the adult bookstore for a copy ;)

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Hello Aaron,

Apparently you have never seen "La Cage Aux Folles".
Or the sequel "La Cage Aux Folles II".

I'll have to ask the guy at the adult bookstore for a copy ;)

I am sure you can find both available online. Both movies
are comedies, and won several awards. Terrific actors.

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On 20 Feb 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

thought of him as a person. You would have to prove that the other candidate was objectively the better choice.

That sounds logical and everything, but it's just another photo-op for Joe. "After I exploited black people, I became president and exploited
gay people."

How is giving people equality exploitative?

Jeff.

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thought of him as a person. You would have to prove that the oth candidate was objectively the better choice.

That sounds logical and everything, but it's just another photo-op fo Joe. "After I exploited black people, I became president and exploite gay people."

How is giving people equality exploitative?

Equality is a never-ending exploitation. After Joe frees the gay slaves, the next Democrat president will free them again by giving them the right to sue people for using the word "gay."

"Vote for me and I'll make gay people more free than they are under Joe
Biden's administration which still allows people to say "gay."

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On 21 Feb 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Equality is a never-ending exploitation. After Joe frees the gay slaves, the next Democrat president will free them again by giving them the
right to sue people for using the word "gay."

I would love to see you make this argument to people who are no longer
actual slaves and women who can vote. It sounds a whole lot like you're the
one who wants to exploit people by denying them the same freedoms that you have.

Jeff.

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I would love to see you make this argument to people who are no longer actual slaves and women who can vote. It sounds a whole lot like you're the one who wants to exploit people by denying them the same freedoms
that you have.

Joe's targeting LGBTQ people with a gimmick that they sorta need, but sorta everybody needs. It doesn't include enough people. LGBTQ people need
protection from discrimination, but my point is that the Democrats deliver justice in increments - why not include all people?

For example - what about people with accents? My wife has been turned down for jobs for her accent, but there's no law protecting her against that. I was turned down from a job for wearing an earring - where's my protection?

And who actually has time to sue for something like this?

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On 22 Feb 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Joe's targeting LGBTQ people with a gimmick that they sorta need, but sorta everybody needs. It doesn't include enough people. LGBTQ people
need protection from discrimination, but my point is that the Democrats deliver justice in increments - why not include all people?

For example - what about people with accents? My wife has been turned
down for jobs for her accent, but there's no law protecting her against that. I was turned down from a job for wearing an earring - where's my protection?

Because people keep thinking of stupid new reasons to discriminate. The
accent thing could be a nationality issue, but I don't know all of the
details. Unfortunately, the laws have to be pretty specific lest they be
overly vague, and they tend to target groups who have historically faced widespread discrimination. If you'd like to draw up a comprehensive list, though, be my guest.

The biggest difference, though, is that you can be discriminated against because of things that are an inherent part of your identity, but not against more transient things that are subject to change and are a result of choices that you have made. Sometimes the line is a little blurry. You may consider sexual preference to be a choice, but on the flip side religion is protected. Do people change religions? Yes, they do. But religion is considered by our society to be a part of one's identity. Hairstyles and earrings, not so much. Nor political ideology. These are decisions that we make as a society and if you're not on the winning side, well, too bad, you're still expected to
adhere to societal norms. Or, you know, find another society to live in.

And who actually has time to sue for something like this?

People without jobs, obviously.

Jeff.

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