And if that doesn't work, Google "forbes babcock ranch" and look for a URL very similar to that one. It should be at or near the top.

The first result that came up for me, from January of this year, says this:

"Babcock Ranch is an idea, not a city built yet." The blurb goes on to
mention that it is an "idea" of a "planned community." Clicking on that link brings up an article that refers to it as a "future town" with plans to
become the first solar-powered city in the US. It also says that their
solar grid will be attached to the main grid "so a consistent energy supply
can be maintained" when the Sun isn't out. The idea is to reduce emmissions, not eliminate, and apparently not to be 100% solar.

So, this is a future, planned city that will still be attached to the main, non-solar power grid so that they don't lose power. I think it is a great
plan but, as most of us don't live in planned communities, it is not
practical for most of us. Also not a great example, since it is all future
and theory... sort of like unicorns. Also not a great example since it
will still rely on the non-solar main grid so that their power doesn't go
out "on overcast days" and other times (like night?) when the Sun is not
out.

I guess you hoped I wouldn't actually try to find it? Nice try.


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On 26 Feb 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

And if that doesn't work, Google "forbes babcock ranch" and look for a U very similar to that one. It should be at or near the top.

The first result that came up for me, from January of this year, says this:
"Babcock Ranch is an idea, not a city built yet." The blurb goes on to mention that it is an "idea" of a "planned community." Clicking on that link brings up an article that refers to it as a "future town" with
plans to become the first solar-powered city in the US. It also says
that their solar grid will be attached to the main grid "so a consistent energy supply can be maintained" when the Sun isn't out. The idea is to reduce emmissions, not eliminate, and apparently not to be 100% solar.

I'm not sure where you went for that, but the population of Babcock Ranch is currently 400 and the first residents moved in in 2018. They are planning to grow, but do currently consist of more than one household. You also didn't specify that it had to be 100% solar; you said that it should have solar as a primary power source. Babcock Ranch has chosen not to store energy produced during the day for use at night, but has instead chosen to divert excess
energy onto the FPL power grid during the day, and use power from the grid at night. Babcock Ranch's solar field produces 74.5 MWh, more than enough for
the town to operate.

I guess you hoped I wouldn't actually try to find it? Nice try.

I hoped you would, but I also assumed you'd be able to understand what you read. My bad.

Jeff.

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On 26 Feb 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

And if that doesn't work, Google "forbes babcock ranch" and look for a U very similar to that one. It should be at or near the top.

The first result that came up for me, from January of this year, says this:

"Babcock Ranch is an idea, not a city built yet." The blurb goes on to

Here's a Fox News (!) article from 2018 about one of the first families
moving in.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/floridas-city-of-the-future-is-first-solar-powe red-town-in-america

Jeff.

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But according to Jeff in Texas it Freezes just like all the traditional sources of energy such as Natural Gas, Coal etc. I tried to helpful with mentioning Geothermal but I get chastised so..

Liquid salt cooled reactors don't freeze... http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph241/rojas1/

Not according to leftie Jeff. Everything except solar freezes in TX, and
in the "future city" that doesn't exist yet.


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If you'd been following along, you'd know that we were specifically discussing batteries charged by wind and/or solar.

And if you had any knowledge on this topic, you'd know that wind/solar can't keep up with the demand and don't work well when the wind doesn't blow or solar panels are covered with snow.

Even in the "future" town he linked to, they admitted that they'd be
linking up with the main grid so that they'd not experience power
interruptions when the Sun wasn't out and the magic batteries weren't
carrying their magical charge.

He took the word of one article and didn't research it too well.


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Done properly, they can keep up with demand. That's why we were talking about batteries being used to even out the supply.

I guess your one example of it being done properly (in the future, since it doesn't exist yet) was not really doing it properly after all? Their plan
flat out admits that they cannot go 100% solar because they won't be able
to keep up with demand when the Sun isn't out.

Which is what Ron and I, and others, have been saying all along. Your
example proved my point.


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On 26 Feb 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Liquid salt cooled reactors don't freeze... http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph241/rojas1/

Not according to leftie Jeff. Everything except solar freezes in TX, and in the "future city" that doesn't exist yet.

I never said that. And reactors in TX did freeze; from this one could
assume that they were not liquid salt cooled.

Jeff.

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On 26 Feb 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Even in the "future" town he linked to, they admitted that they'd be linking up with the main grid so that they'd not experience power interruptions when the Sun wasn't out and the magic batteries weren't carrying their magical charge.

That's not at all what I said.

Jeff.

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On 26 Feb 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I guess your one example of it being done properly (in the future, since it doesn't exist yet) was not really doing it properly after all? Their plan flat out admits that they cannot go 100% solar because they won't
be able to keep up with demand when the Sun isn't out.

That was a design decision. They divert excess power produced during the
day to the grid, and then get reimbursed at night. At 50% power generation, with plenty of power to spare, I would call that a "primary source."

According to ERCOT, natural gas provides 47.4% of Texas'power; coal 20.3%;
wind 20.0%, nuclear 10.8%, solar 1.1%; hydro 0.2% and biomass 0.1%. If
natural gas is a primary source for Texas, then solar is a primary source for Babcock Ranch which, according to Fox News, does exist and has had residents since 2018.

Jeff.

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I'm not sure where you went for that, but the population of Babcock Ranch is currently 400 and the first residents moved in in 2018. They are planning to grow, but do currently consist of more than one household. You also didn't specify that it had to be 100% solar; you said that it should have solar as a primary power source. Babcock Ranch has chosen not to store energy produced during the day for use at night, but has instead chosen to divert excess energy onto the FPL power grid during the day, and use power from the grid at night. Babcock Ranch's solar field produces 74.5 MWh, more than enough for the town to operate.

400 is not too big. I stil say it is futuretown, and everything I read
stated they'd be on the grid to "maintain a consistent power supply" when
the Sun wasn't out. That tell's me they don't have a sustainable,
independent power source for the size of the town they are planning.
For the current 400 people, maybe... until they start buying electric cars.

As for where I went, I took your advice and googled Babcock Ranch, then
read the first few articles that came up.

Maybe you live in an area of only ~400 people so that would be relevant to
you. I live in an area with 100 times that population. I would suspect
that most of us live in areas at least that big, and that were also not
tailor made for an inconsistent primary power source.


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I never said that. And reactors in TX did freeze; from this one could
assume that they were not liquid salt cooled.

My guess is that the reactor did not freeze, but possibly its source of
water did. Do you all not bury your water lines more than a few inches
deep down there in Texas?


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Even in the "future" town he linked to, THEY admitted that THEY'D be linking up with the main grid so that THEY'D not experience power interruptions when the Sun wasn't out and the magic batteries weren't carrying their magical charge.

That's not at all what I said.

You didn't say it, but the additional research I did regarding the future
town you linked to admitted it. Unless you identify as a "they," I am
pretty clear about that. I even put it in caps for you this time. The
only time I mention "he" is when I mention who linked to an article about
the town. That was indeed you.

You have absolultely no right to question anyone's reading comprehension.
Yours is pretty awful.


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On 27 Feb 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I'm not sure where you went for that, but the population of Babcock Ranc currently 400 and the first residents moved in in 2018. They are plannin grow, but do currently consist of more than one household. You also didn specify that it had to be 100% solar; you said that it should have solar primary power source. Babcock Ranch has chosen not to store energy produ during the day for use at night, but has instead chosen to divert excess energy onto the FPL power grid during the day, and use power from the gr night. Babcock Ranch's solar field produces 74.5 MWh, more than enough f the town to operate.

400 is not too big. I stil say it is futuretown, and everything I read stated they'd be on the grid to "maintain a consistent power supply" when the Sun wasn't out. That tell's me they don't have a sustainable, independent power source for the size of the town they are planning.
For the current 400 people, maybe... until they start buying electric cars.

You asked for some implementation powering more than a single household. I seriously doubt that all 400 of those residents live in the same household.
And they do produce far more energy than they use. Most of it goes into the
FPL grid, which they pull from at night because they chose not to implement
an energy solution. Given that FPL played a large part in building the solar facility, this makes sense. However, they more than cover the power that they use.

As for where I went, I took your advice and googled Babcock Ranch, then read the first few articles that came up.

That's weird, because the articles that came up for me, including the Fox
News article that I posted a link to, all indicate that there is more than
one active household in the town.

Maybe you live in an area of only ~400 people so that would be relevant
to you. I live in an area with 100 times that population. I would suspect that most of us live in areas at least that big, and that were also not tailor made for an inconsistent primary power source.

Irrelevant. You asked for "more than a household."

Jeff.

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On 27 Feb 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I never said that. And reactors in TX did freeze; from this one could assume that they were not liquid salt cooled.

My guess is that the reactor did not freeze, but possibly its source of water did. Do you all not bury your water lines more than a few inches deep down there in Texas?

From the reporting I read, the instrumentation froze.

Jeff.

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On 27 Feb 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

You have absolultely no right to question anyone's reading comprehension. Yours is pretty awful.

I will admit that I haven't read the article you're citing, because it
doesn't show up in my search results and you haven't provided a link.
However, I have provided links about people moving into the town in 2018
(from Fox News, even) and about the current population being 400 residents.

Additionally, both articles identify solar as a primary energy source for the town.

Jeff.

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Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

Even in the "future" town he linked to, they admitted that they'd be linking up with the main grid so that they'd not experience power interruptions when the Sun wasn't out and the magic batteries weren't carrying their magical charge.

He took the word of one article and didn't research it too well.

Standard Leftie. They only see the things they want and ignore the things that they don't like.


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