• Misinformation

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, March 12, 2021 17:06:00
    Hardly. Which party is the party of QAnon, science denial, and misinformation so bad that they get banned from social media? You think the whole world is leftist and out to get you? You might be paranoid and delusional.

    QAnon -- to my knowledge, neither party claims them or supports them. They
    are a fringe group. As for who they support, I am also guessing neither
    party at the moment but I wouldn't know because their politics are of no interest to me. They seem to be of more interest to you at the moment?

    Science denial -- which party is it that supports the idea of their being multiple (more than 3) genders, or that supports other ideas that are only supported by "social science," and not by actual sciences like biology or physiology? Science denial is very much a double-edged sword, and using it
    in a political discussion is ill-advised.

    Misinformation -- you seem to be claiming that social media companies are
    good at determining what is misinformation and what is not? As I believe
    most everything on social media is 100% misinformation, I believe using
    social media companies as a barometer of good vs. misinformation is, well, misinformed. See also science denial, above, and your apparent belief that
    all Republicans support QAnon as additional examples of misinformation.

    I don't think that the whole world is out to get me, so there is another example of misinformation.

    So which party is it you belong to so I know how to better answer your question? I don't want to jump to a misinformed conclusion without asking first.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, March 12, 2021 19:05:30
    On 12 Mar 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    QAnon -- to my knowledge, neither party claims them or supports them. They are a fringe group. As for who they support, I am also guessing neither party at the moment but I wouldn't know because their politics
    are of no interest to me. They seem to be of more interest to you at
    the moment?

    That's the thing; it's not which party claims them, it's which party they claim. QAnon is very right-wing and believe that Trump is actually still president. White supremacists, neo-Nazis, and neo-Confederates are also right-wing. They're not waiting for your approval or your invitation; they're your bedfellows.

    Science denial -- which party is it that supports the idea of their being multiple (more than 3) genders, or that supports other ideas that are
    only supported by "social science," and not by actual sciences like biology or physiology? Science denial is very much a double-edged
    sword, and using it in a political discussion is ill-advised.

    Nope. The argument for multiple genders is not biological but psychological (and incidentally, there are species present in nature with far more than 3 biological genders; there are also species that can change gender).

    Conservatives have made science denial political. Of course it's allowed in a political discussion.

    Misinformation -- you seem to be claiming that social media companies are good at determining what is misinformation and what is not? As I believe most everything on social media is 100% misinformation, I believe using social media companies as a barometer of good vs. misinformation is,
    well, misinformed. See also science denial, above, and your apparent belief that all Republicans support QAnon as additional examples of misinformation.

    Again, I know that not all Republicans support QAnon. But all QAnon does support Republicans.

    Social media has engaged fact-checkers to identify misinformation. Contrary
    to the conception that fact-checkers are liberals who brand everything conservative false willy-nilly, an important aspect of their work is that
    they explain *why* it's misinformation.

    I don't think that the whole world is out to get me, so there is another example of misinformation.

    Ok, fair point, so it's just the commie leftists that are out to get you?

    So which party is it you belong to so I know how to better answer your question? I don't want to jump to a misinformed conclusion without
    asking first.

    I vote Democrat unless I have a really good reason not to.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, March 15, 2021 11:52:26
    On 12 Mar 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    QAnon -- to my knowledge, neither party claims them or supports them. They are a fringe group. As for who they support, I am also guessing neither party at the moment but I wouldn't know because their politics
    are of no interest to me. They seem to be of more interest to you at
    the moment?

    A national survey conducted by the Republican firm Fabrizio, Lee, and Associates, who worked for Trump in 2016 and 2020, has broken the GOP down
    into 5 groups:

    1. "Trump Boosters" (28%)
    This group holds very positive views of Trump but narrowly tend to support the Republican party more than Trump himself.

    2. "Diehard Trumpers" (27%)
    This group strongly supports Trump and thinks he should be the leader of the Republican party.

    3. "Post-Trump GOP" (20%)
    This group holds strong positive views of Trump but does not think he should lead the GOP or seek re-election.

    4. "Never Trump" (15%)
    This group holds negative views of Trump, believe that he should not lead the GOP, and definitely would not vote for him again.

    And, finally:
    5. "InfoWars GOP" (10%)
    This group has near unanimous support for Trump but also has a strong
    favorable image of QAnon and other conspiracy theories.

    So it looks like there's your QAnon-GOP affiliation.

    Jeff.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, March 19, 2021 23:37:00
    Jeff Thiele wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    On 12 Mar 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    QAnon -- to my knowledge, neither party claims them or supports them.
    They are a fringe group. As for who they support, I am also guessing neither party at the moment but I wouldn't know because their politics
    are of no interest to me. They seem to be of more interest to you at
    the moment?

    That's the thing; it's not which party claims them, it's which party
    they claim. QAnon is very right-wing and believe that Trump is actually still president. White supremacists, neo-Nazis, and neo-Confederates
    are also right-wing. They're not waiting for your approval or your invitation; they're your bedfellows.

    Ouch. So because I am pro-life I'm supporting 'them' even though I didn't choose to?!?!

    Social media has engaged fact-checkers to identify misinformation. Contrary to the conception that fact-checkers are liberals who brand everything conservative false willy-nilly, an important aspect of their work is that they explain *why* it's misinformation.

    Yeah, I've seen some of the 'facts' they base things on. It's still not
    all 'fact,' in my opinion. No, I don't have an example to quote, but
    the ones I've seen have been political in nature around the election.
    If it wasn't 'liberal based,' it sure seemed that way! LOL





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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Saturday, March 20, 2021 13:35:44
    On 19 Mar 2021, JIMMY ANDERSON said the following...
    That's the thing; it's not which party claims them, it's which party they claim. QAnon is very right-wing and believe that Trump is actual still president. White supremacists, neo-Nazis, and neo-Confederates are also right-wing. They're not waiting for your approval or your invitation; they're your bedfellows.

    Ouch. So because I am pro-life I'm supporting 'them' even though I didn't choose to?!?!

    "Politics makes strange bedfellows."

    Social media has engaged fact-checkers to identify misinformation. Contrary to the conception that fact-checkers are liberals who brand everything conservative false willy-nilly, an important aspect of the work is that they explain *why* it's misinformation.

    Yeah, I've seen some of the 'facts' they base things on. It's still not all 'fact,' in my opinion. No, I don't have an example to quote, but
    the ones I've seen have been political in nature around the election.
    If it wasn't 'liberal based,' it sure seemed that way! LOL

    That's probably confirmation bias. Every time you see a conservative being fact-checked, it reinforces your belief that fact-checkers have a liberal
    bias. However, here's Politifact's list of Joe Biden factchecks: https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/

    Jeff.

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