On 10 Mar 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

You are the one who brought up design and testing. That puts the burden of proof on you.

Nope. If the design was improved, that's up to you to prove.

Jeff.

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On 10 Mar 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

For Biden, the requests of the left-leaning Democrats was enough. That
is not leadership. Who needs the EPA when you have experts like AOC and Jeff to advise you.

Or maybe a 400,000-gallon spill was enough.

Jeff.

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Has Jeff actually proven that those design and testing considerations were not in place?

Have Mike or Gregory actually proven that they were?

You are the one who brought up design and testing. That puts the burden of proof on you.


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I do find it odd when I looked to Joe Biden where as; he should come up with a
solution, he folded like a house of cards, as he alluded that it would be up to the company to complete this job anyway they saw fit. What struck me as weird was without any input from the EPA? Doesn't seem likely does it? This of course also requires leadership, and good educated minds, who can provide the best way forward. The problem becomes apparent when you go out of
your way to cherry pick people based on skill color or worse, something tells me that you might not be getting the most bang for your buck.

For Biden, the requests of the left-leaning Democrats was enough. That is
not leadership. Who needs the EPA when you have experts like AOC and Jeff
to advise you.

In other words, it could have been prevented if the parent was not neglectful, which is something an American citizen would go to jail for, and be separated from their children for.

Makes sense to me also.

I figured it would.

Not sure why people cannot understand that. Seems like a double standard.

Liberals think in one direction, consequently, it is the wrong direction.

In most instances, I believe you are correct. In some instances, I feel
like they are thinking in the right direction but are not being very
practical about it. Like, yeah, "greener" energy sources would be a good
thing but until they are as scalable as the current sources, they are not
at all practical. Keep trying and let us know when you actually get there.


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No he just assumed that Trump did not take into this into account the >JT> GD> assumed naturally once again that Trump was the one to blame for the >JT> GD> threat that was amongst the environment.

Can you prove otherwise?

I will check into it, but you might like the results.

He brought safety up to begin with. Burden of proof is on him, not you.


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You are the one who brought up design and testing. That puts the burden of proof on you.

Nope. If the design was improved, that's up to you to prove.

You questioned it, you need to find the answer.

Sort of like me saying "solar kills birds" but not posting any proof to
back it up. It isn't your burden to prove that wrong if I cannot prove it correct.


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On 11 Mar 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

You questioned it, you need to find the answer.

Not how it works. You're the one who says that the design has been improved, prove it.

Jeff.

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You questioned it, you need to find the answer.

Not how it works. You're the one who says that the design has been improved, prove it.

No I never said that. I think you are misinformed. What I asked was if
you had ever proven that it was faulty. That is what I have continued to
ask, but you apparently don't want to prove that it was because maybe you can't?


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On 12 Mar 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

No I never said that. I think you are misinformed. What I asked was if you had ever proven that it was faulty. That is what I have continued to ask, but you apparently don't want to prove that it was because maybe you can't?

It spilled 400,000 gallons of oil, didn't it? Was that by design?

Jeff.

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It spilled 400,000 gallons of oil, didn't it? Was that by design?

If it did it was fixed. You have been saying it is currently unsafe, or
was until Mr. Biden cancelled it? So it is on you to tell us how they did
not fix it properly.


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On 13 Mar 2021, MIKE POWELL said the following...

It spilled 400,000 gallons of oil, didn't it? Was that by design?

If it did it was fixed. You have been saying it is currently unsafe, or was until Mr. Biden cancelled it? So it is on you to tell us how they
did not fix it properly.

It did, in North Dakota. And yes, the part that broke was fixed. But the
rest was not touched, and the new sections would have been built identical to the rest of it, with the same potential for failure.

Prove me wrong.

Jeff.

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On 13 Mar 2021, MIKE POWELL said the following...

If it did it was fixed. You have been saying it is currently unsafe, or was until Mr. Biden cancelled it? So it is on you to tell us how they
did not fix it properly.

I can find no evidence that either the existing Keystone XL pipeline was retrofitted to fix the design flaws which resulted in the 400,000-gallon
spill, or that the new sections were designed differently from the existing sections to address the same weakness.

Furthermore, I do not believe that Trump would force the owners of th
Keystone XL to either retrofit existing pipeline or redesign planned
pipelines, given his stance on government regulation, especially as it
applies to the environment.

This gives me adequate reason to believe that the status quo would be maintained regarding the Keystone XL pipeline.

Do you have any evidence showing that we should have expected anything different from Trump and the Keystone XL owners?

Jeff.

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It did, in North Dakota. And yes, the part that broke was fixed. But the rest was not touched, and the new sections would have been built identical to the rest of it, with the same potential for failure.

Prove me wrong.

Still on you to prove that "would have been built identical" actually
happened that way. Otherwise, it is still proof only 'cause Jeff says so.


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On 14 Mar 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Still on you to prove that "would have been built identical" actually happened that way. Otherwise, it is still proof only 'cause Jeff says
so.

TransCanada's website provides no substantial evidence of design improvements since 2017. The 400,000-gallon North Dakota spill was in 2019. Since 2019,
they seem to be investing mostly in monitoring the pipeline from inside the pipe (relying on the 2017 detection technology, which failed in 2019), on the ground, and from the air. So in other words, they're not saying it won't
spill; they're hoping they'll catch the spills early. And since most of the pipeline is buried 10 feet underground, by the time ground and/or air monitoring detect a spill, it's already a pretty big spill.

https://www.tcenergy.com/sustainability/safety/pipeline-and-operations/

Jeff.

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On 14 Mar 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Still on you to prove that "would have been built identical" actually happened that way. Otherwise, it is still proof only 'cause Jeff says
so.

There is no proof that it "happened that way" because the additional sections of pipeline were never built. So if you're going by what actually happened
then no, the new sections did not contain design improvements over the older sections because the new sections were never built.

Jeff.

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