You are the first person I've heard say that "defund the police" does not mean get rid of them. That's what I've understood all along.

I like the idea of "off loading," because police are NOT out there to
prevent crime like murder/robbery/rape - they are there to file the
report after the fact and MAYBE catch the people involved. That's why
so many people are saying "I am my own first responder."

What he is describing would be best described as "reorganizing." Calling
for the "defunding" of the police does indeed mean getting rid of their funding. Someone either chose the wrong words to put on their posters, or others don't realize what some on their side really want.

Most of Jeff's ideas make sense. But there is a problem. In this area, a
lot of things used to be done by social workers that are now done by the police. The reason they are now done by the police is that social workers
do not carry weapons and are not trained in defending themselves from
someone who is. Social workers got injured and murdered responding to situations that they were otherwise better suited for. Now the police go along with the social workers, or respond without them, for their safety.


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Mike Powell wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Most of Jeff's ideas make sense.

I never thought I'd ever see those words.

But there is a problem. In this
area, a lot of things used to be done by social workers that are now
done by the police. The reason they are now done by the police is that social workers do not carry weapons and are not trained in defending themselves from someone who is. Social workers got injured and
murdered responding to situations that they were otherwise better
suited for. Now the police go along with the social workers, or respond without them, for their safety.

I would argue, then, that the problem is NOT for a social worker to fix.


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Mike Powell wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

You are the first person I've heard say that "defund the police" does not mean get rid of them. That's what I've understood all along.

I like the idea of "off loading," because police are NOT out there to prevent crime like murder/robbery/rape - they are there to file the
report after the fact and MAYBE catch the people involved. That's why
so many people are saying "I am my own first responder."

What he is describing would be best described as "reorganizing."
Calling for the "defunding" of the police does indeed mean getting rid
of their funding. Someone either chose the wrong words to put on their posters, or others don't realize what some on their side really want.

Yeah - I'll blame my ignorance on that as well. :-)

Most of Jeff's ideas make sense. But there is a problem. In this
area, a lot of things used to be done by social workers that are now
done by the police. The reason they are now done by the police is that social workers do not carry weapons and are not trained in defending themselves from someone who is. Social workers got injured and
murdered responding to situations that they were otherwise better
suited for. Now the police go along with the social workers, or respond without them, for their safety.

Makes sense. My wife is a firefighter and EMT "on the side" (volunteer,
though she does have an Advanced EMT license, she's not working for pay
right now, so she's a volunteer first responder) and if it's a potentially dangerous sitation they wait for the police or sheriff's department to
'secure the scene.'



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Mike Powell wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Most of Jeff's ideas make sense.

I never thought I'd ever see those words.

I should have bounded that, i.e. in regards to cops having too much on
their plates, he is not wrong.

But there is a problem. In this
area, a lot of things used to be done by social workers that are now done by the police. The reason they are now done by the police is that social workers do not carry weapons and are not trained in defending themselves from someone who is. Social workers got injured and
murdered responding to situations that they were otherwise better
suited for. Now the police go along with the social workers, or respond without them, for their safety.

I would argue, then, that the problem is NOT for a social worker to fix.

Yes, it sounds good on paper but does not work out too well in real life situations. Many calls social workers are/were making are/were to visit
people who won't be happy to see them.


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