• Free Donuts

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Sunday, March 28, 2021 01:24:41
    Hello Everybody,

    Do you like donuts? Does Krispy Kreme has a deal for you!
    Show your Covid-19 vaccination card, and get a free donut a day
    for the rest of the year! That is all there is to it! And if
    you have not been able to get vaccinated yet, just tell them so
    and you are still covered! Now that is really cool!

    Except for one problem.

    Not everybody is happy. You know why? Some nitwits do not have
    any intention to get themselves vaccinated, and claim they are
    being discriminated. And you know what that means.

    Nobody is going to be getting free donuts.

    Just because a handful of nitwits want to keep eveybody else
    from getting their fair share.

    Shame on them!

    Us donut lovers should find an island and put all them anti-vax
    nitwits on it forever. With no donuts available.

    All in favor say "Aye!"

    The motion is unanimous and passes by acclamation.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, March 28, 2021 09:46:52
    Not everybody is happy. You know why? Some nitwits do not have
    any intention to get themselves vaccinated, and claim they are
    being discriminated. And you know what that means.

    Suing people for ridiculous stuff - isn't that usually a liberal philosophy?

    While we know that death is one of the short term side effects of the vaccine, nobody knows the long term side effects. It could cause cancer, or other cellular diseases.

    But I won't join in on the class action lawsuit because conservatives don't mind paying $1 for a donut.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 29, 2021 18:36:29
    Aaron Thomas -> Lee Lofaso wrote on 3/28/2021 :
    Not everybody is happy. You know why? Some nitwits do not have
    any intention to get themselves vaccinated, and claim they are
    being discriminated. And you know what that means.

    Suing people for ridiculous stuff - isn't that usually a liberal philosophy?

    Golly gee. I didn't know all lawyers had a liberal philosophy.
    I'll have to get back with Geraldo Riviera and Sean Hannity about
    that.

    While we know that death is one of the short term side effects of the vaccine, nobody knows the long term side effects. It could cause cancer, or
    other cellular diseases.

    So can baby aspirin and virtually every "drug". But every medical
    health professional will recommend all (except a handful of people)
    get inoculated.

    But I won't join in on the class action lawsuit because conservatives don't
    mind paying $1 for a donut.

    Then why are so many anti-vaxxers complaining?

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 00:36:02
    On 03-28-21 09:46, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Free Donuts <=-


    Not everybody is happy. You know why? Some nitwits do not have
    any intention to get themselves vaccinated, and claim they are
    being discriminated. And you know what that means.

    Suing people for ridiculous stuff - isn't that usually a liberal philosophy?

    While we know that death is one of the short term side effects of the vaccine, nobody knows the long term side effects. It could cause
    cancer, or other cellular diseases.

    You are upside down in your statement. Death is a side effect of not
    getting the vaccine. The rest of your statement is just like Trump does
    when he says "some people say" when he spouts some blatently false and
    absurd statement. "It could cause ...", how about sticking to facts and
    not hyperbole.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 08:02:39
    You are upside down in your statement. Death is a side effect of not getting the vaccine.

    What is the percentage of death if one does not get the vaccine, 1% of which would numerically mean that it is 99% chance that you will survive specially if you have no other health conditions.

    how about sticking to facts and not hyperbole.

    Hyperbole? Yes of course, covid is real, but Covid has been politicized, sensationalized as well as weaponized all to create fear and panic.

    I would even introduce that covid was engineered by China to stop Trump, and
    if it wasn't for Covid Joe Biden wouldn't of had a snowball chance in hell in becoming President.

    The emotion of fear has been used as a method of control or to manipulate people into doing other peoples bidding.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 18:22:01
    Hello Greg,

    You are upside down in your statement. Death is a side effect of not
    getting the vaccine.

    What is the percentage of death if one does not get the vaccine,

    Depends on a number of factors, such as age, underlying conditions,
    etc.

    1% of which would numerically mean that it is 99% chance that you will survive specially if you have no other health conditions.

    Any people, regardless of age, die without have any known health
    conditions or underlying conditions. Getting inoculated is a must
    for them. Which means basically everybody.

    how about sticking to facts and not hyperbole.

    Hyperbole? Yes of course, covid is real, but Covid has been politicized, sensationalized as well as weaponized all to create fear and panic.

    Covid is real. And it kills. Those are the facts. Covid kills
    politicians, too. Regardless of politicial affiliation.

    I would even introduce that covid was engineered by China to stop Trump,

    No country, including China, "engineered" the novel coronavirus.

    and if it wasn't for Covid Joe Biden wouldn't of had a snowball chance in hell in becoming President.

    President Biden would *love* private citizen Donald J. Trump to win
    the Republican nomination for president in 2024. Wny? Because he knows
    how to beat Trump, having done it before. Bigly.

    The emotion of fear has been used as a method of control or to manipulate people into doing other peoples bidding.

    And what happened to Trump when he tried to do just that?
    He got thumped in the presidential election. By Joe Cool himself.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, March 29, 2021 22:07:02
    vaccine, nobody knows the long term side effects. It could cause canc or
    other cellular diseases.

    So can baby aspirin and virtually every "drug". But every medical
    health professional will recommend all (except a handful of people)
    get inoculated.

    Yea but aspirin has been around for probably hundreds of years and this
    vaccine was made less than a year ago. There hasn't been much time to study
    the statistics of it. (Liberals love statistics right?)

    But I won't join in on the class action lawsuit because conservatives don't
    mind paying $1 for a donut.

    Then why are so many anti-vaxxers complaining?

    Are they REALLY complaining? Or are you copying/pasting from CNN?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 14:43:00
    You are upside down in your statement. Death is a side effect of not
    getting the vaccine. The rest of your statement is just like Trump does
    when he says "some people say" when he spouts some blatently false and
    absurd statement. "It could cause ...", how about sticking to facts and
    not hyperbole.

    Death is a possible side-effect of not getting the shot, but not everyone who doesn't get it dies. Not everyone who does get it avoids death from side-effects and complications, either.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 03:22:49
    Hello Mike,

    You are upside down in your statement. Death is a side effect of not
    getting the vaccine. The rest of your statement is just like Trump does
    when he says "some people say" when he spouts some blatently false and
    absurd statement. "It could cause ...", how about sticking to facts and
    not hyperbole.

    Death is a possible side-effect of not getting the shot, but not everyone who
    doesn't get it dies. Not everyone who does get it avoids death from side-effects and complications, either.

    To the best of my knowledge, nobody has died from getting the vaccine.
    But lots and lots of folks died without getting the vaccine. Seems to
    me the odds of surviving the pandemic are better if one is inoculated
    rather than not inoculated.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 15:06:52
    You are upside down in your statement. Death is a side effect of not getting the vaccine. The rest of your statement is just like Trump does when he says "some people say" when he spouts some blatently false and absurd statement. "It could cause ...", how about sticking to facts and not hyperbole.

    Hyperbole is what you're feeding me right now, but I already had lunch.

    Several people have died as a result of taking the vaccine. It's a risky vaccine. Hopefully, someday the vaccine will be safer.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 20:40:33
    On 31 Mar 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    Death is a possible side-effect of not getting the shot, but not ever who
    doesn't get it dies. Not everyone who does get it avoids death from side-effects and complications, either.

    To the best of my knowledge, nobody has died from getting the vaccine.
    But lots and lots of folks died without getting the vaccine. Seems to
    me the odds of surviving the pandemic are better if one is inoculated rather than not inoculated.

    My fiancee and I are traveling 190 miles (380 miles round-trip) tomorrow for vaccines. It'll be the longest I've been out of the house in over a year.
    I'll let you know if I survive long enough to return.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 23:36:27
    President Biden would *love* private citizen Donald J. Trump to win
    the Republican nomination for president in 2024. Wny? Because he knows
    how to beat Trump, having done it before. Bigly.

    Bring your babbling gaffe machine fool of a man to the mic and he will be destroyed, by his own words.
    Biden can not string two words with either apologizing for having brain fog.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 00:43:02
    On 03-30-21 08:02, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Free Donuts <=-

    You are upside down in your statement. Death is a side effect of not getting the vaccine.

    What is the percentage of death if one does not get the vaccine, 1% of which would numerically mean that it is 99% chance that you will
    survive specially if
    you have no other health conditions.

    The percentage of deaths is a bit higher than 1%, last figure I saw was
    2% of resolved cases. With 350 million people in the USA, either way
    you would be talking about millions of deaths due to Covid in the
    absence of a vacine and other mitigation measures. Even those who
    recover from Covid may have long term after effects. I do not know what percentage that is, but it is an established problem.

    If you get the vacination, the probablity of death from Covid is almost
    zero.

    how about sticking to facts and not hyperbole.

    Hyperbole? Yes of course, covid is real, but Covid has been
    politicized, sensationalized as well as weaponized all to create fear
    and panic.

    The politicizing was done by Trump trying to downplay the seriousness of
    the disease. If he had been honest from the beginning and said what he
    knew to be true, and instituted mitigation measures instead of
    dinigrating them, then the death toll would be far less than it
    currently is.

    I would even introduce that covid was engineered by China to stop
    Trump, and if it wasn't for Covid Joe Biden wouldn't of had a snowball chance in hell in becoming President.

    It is not clear how Covid got into the human population. If Trump had
    done reasonable things to fight Covid, he might well have won. We will
    never know.

    The emotion of fear has been used as a method of control or to
    manipulate people into doing other peoples bidding.

    Believe what you want. The people are better off getting the truth
    instead of lies designed to make Covid a political issue instead of an international health problem.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 00:58:06
    On 03-30-21 14:43, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Free Donuts <=-


    You are upside down in your statement. Death is a side effect of not getting the vaccine. The rest of your statement is just like Trump does when he says "some people say" when he spouts some blatently false and absurd statement. "It could cause ...", how about sticking to facts and
    not hyperbole.

    Death is a possible side-effect of not getting the shot, but not
    everyone who doesn't get it dies. Not everyone who does get it avoids death from side-effects and complications, either.

    There can be side effects and complications from the shot for a very
    small portion of people. They show up as an immediate allergy reaction,
    which is why they have you wait under observation for a short while.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, April 01, 2021 01:01:54
    Hello Jeff,

    Death is a possible side-effect of not getting the shot, but not
    ever
    who
    doesn't get it dies. Not everyone who does get it avoids death
    from
    side-effects and complications, either.

    To the best of my knowledge, nobody has died from getting the
    vaccine.
    But lots and lots of folks died without getting the vaccine. Seems to
    me the odds of surviving the pandemic are better if one is inoculated
    rather than not inoculated.

    My fiancee and I are traveling 190 miles (380 miles round-trip) tomorrow for
    vaccines. It'll be the longest I've been out of the house in over a year. I'll let you know if I survive long enough to return.

    Look at it this way. If you and her do not go, neither one of you
    might make it to your own wedding.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 01, 2021 01:02:04
    Hello Greg,

    President Biden would *love* private citizen Donald J. Trump to win
    the Republican nomination for president in 2024. Wny? Because he knows
    how to beat Trump, having done it before. Bigly.

    Bring your babbling gaffe machine fool of a man to the mic and he will be destroyed, by his own words. Biden can not string two words with either apologizing for having brain fog.

    That's what you and others said last time. The results speak
    for themselves. And now you want your beloved orange one to do
    it again???

    --Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 13:12:00
    Death is a possible side-effect of not getting the shot, but not everyone who doesn't get it dies. Not everyone who does get it avoids death from side-effects and complications, either.

    There can be side effects and complications from the shot for a very
    small portion of people. They show up as an immediate allergy reaction, which is why they have you wait under observation for a short while.

    Yes. That made me nervous enough that I think I reacted to that more so
    than the shot! :)


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 18:24:32
    On 01 Apr 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    My fiancee and I are traveling 190 miles (380 miles round-trip) tomor for
    vaccines. It'll be the longest I've been out of the house in over a y I'll let you know if I survive long enough to return.

    Look at it this way. If you and her do not go, neither one of you
    might make it to your own wedding.

    We already had to postpone things due to COVID. Just before the outbreak we were planning on getting married in New Orleans and taking a train trip to California and back.

    However, we've now both had our initial Pfizer vaccines. Day 1: No adverse
    side effects.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 00:15:18
    To the best of my knowledge, nobody has died from getting the vaccine.

    Newsweek fact check: 966 people have been killed "from getting the vaccine."

    Plus, we've got people contracting covid even after getting their 2nd dose.

    While he's taking credit for Trump triumphs, The Aged Spotted One (does that sound catchy to you?) can take credit for all those deaths and illnesses too.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 21:11:49
    Bring your babbling gaffe machine fool of a man to the mic and he wil destroyed, by his own words. Biden can not string two words with eith apologizing for having brain fog.

    That's what you and others said last time. The results speak
    for themselves. And now you want your beloved orange one to do
    it again???
    You don't have my word for it, jump onto youtube.com and search up the first Press Conference that Biden gave just a few days ago. After watching and listening to that give me your honest opinion do you think he is "sharp, like a tack" or is it abundantly clear that he had Brain fog.

    The use of Um and ah used several times and sorry is not very Presidential.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 20:35:40
    On 31 Mar 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The use of Um and ah used several times and sorry is not very Presidential.

    As I recall, Rush Limbaugh used "um" and "ah" quite a lot, also. And look
    what happened to him. Just sayin'.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 20:38:22
    On 31 Mar 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    To the best of my knowledge, nobody has died from getting the vaccine

    Newsweek fact check: 966 people have been killed "from getting the vaccine."

    500,000+ people have died from *not* getting the vaccine.

    Plus, we've got people contracting covid even after getting their 2nd dose.

    True, but they are less likely to require hospitalization.

    While he's taking credit for Trump triumphs, The Aged Spotted One (does that sound catchy to you?) can take credit for all those deaths and illnesses too.

    Or, more specifically, the decline in deaths and illnesses rather than the dramatic increase seen under Trump.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 20:43:36
    On 28 Mar 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    Do you like donuts? Does Krispy Kreme has a deal for you!
    Show your Covid-19 vaccination card, and get a free donut a day
    for the rest of the year! That is all there is to it! And if
    you have not been able to get vaccinated yet, just tell them so
    and you are still covered! Now that is really cool!

    I got the first vaccination today, but did not seek out a free donut. I
    treated myself to a DQ Blizzard (Reese's Peanut Butter, of course) instead.

    Not everybody is happy. You know why? Some nitwits do not have
    any intention to get themselves vaccinated, and claim they are
    being discriminated. And you know what that means.

    We were talking about this today, too. And we thought, "If Krispy Kreme can give away free donuts, why can't the vaccine providers put a little
    'something special' in the vaccine syringes as a reward for getting
    vaccinated? Rednecks would be getting vaccinated 50, 100, 500 times!"

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, April 01, 2021 01:23:00
    On 03-30-21 15:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Free Donuts <=-

    Several people have died as a result of taking the vaccine. It's a
    risky vaccine. Hopefully, someday the vaccine will be safer.

    How many people have died as a result of taking the vaccine? Your
    source for that info is what? How does that number compare to the more
    than 500,000 who died from Covid before there was a vaccine?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, April 01, 2021 08:27:15

    On 31 Mar 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    230
    On 31 Mar 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The use of Um and ah used several times and sorry is not very Presidential.

    As I recall, Rush Limbaugh used "um" and "ah" quite a lot, also. And look what happened to him. Just sayin'.
    You have said previously that you listened to Rush for a time and then you turned away, which explain your effort here to smear the man.

    I still listen to Rush Limbaugh today on the EIB Network, though it is from selected pre-recorded audio that is put together in such a way, that his words still provide guidance and acts as a defense against the delusional behavior attempted by liberals of today.

    The letters EIB stands for Excellence in Broadcasting. Rush himself would say he was right 99.98 % of the time. He has been fact checked numerous times, it will take more then you can muster to discredit the man known as Rush
    Limbaugh. Besides, I can not ever recall Rush ever sounding like Joe Biden.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 01, 2021 08:39:46
    On 01 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    You have said previously that you listened to Rush for a time and then
    you turned away, which explain your effort here to smear the man.

    I did, but I didn't turn away. I continued to listen now and then to hear an opposing opinion and as a mental exercise to find the flaws in his reasoning.

    I still listen to Rush Limbaugh today on the EIB Network, though it is from selected pre-recorded audio that is put together in such a way,
    that his words still provide guidance and acts as a defense against the delusional behavior attempted by liberals of today.

    Needless to say, I have now stopped. He is gone, and reruns hold no value for me.

    The letters EIB stands for Excellence in Broadcasting. Rush himself
    would say he was right 99.98 % of the time. He has been fact checked numerous times, it will take more then you can muster to discredit the
    man known as Rush Limbaugh. Besides, I can not ever recall Rush ever sounding like Joe Biden.

    He was most definitely not right 99.98% of the time. Yes, he's been fact-checked, and they overwhelmingly did not rule in his favor. https://www.politifact.com/personalities/rush-limbaugh/
    And, lest you think that PolitiFact is partisan, here's this, too: https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/

    On 31 Mar 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...
    As I recall, Rush Limbaugh used "um" and "ah" quite a lot, also. And what happened to him. Just sayin'.

    That last part was intended to be tongue-in-cheek, since you're using "um"
    and "ah" as an indicator of senility, which usually portends an end-of-life situation, and Rush is in fact dead.

    Nothing I said in my previous post was intended to discredit Rush Limbaugh.
    It was intended to discredit you, as "um" and "ah" are part of some people's normal speaking styles, including Rush Limbaugh's.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, April 01, 2021 23:44:21
    That last part was intended to be tongue-in-cheek, since you're using
    "um" and "ah" as an indicator of senility, which usually portends an end-of-life situation, and Rush is in fact dead.

    Tongue-in-cheek? More like the tongue was stuck in the cheek.
    Let's be honest here the "um and ah" that I am mentioning here is a matter of record and fact. From Joe Biden's foggy brain, based upon that I can not be blamed or discredited for pointing out this as an issue.

    Referring to Joe Biden: You're the leader of the Free World, of the most powerful nation on the face of the planet and with the world watching your going to sound like this?

    This was heard out of his mouth when Joe attempted to voice a clich‚ and
    his mental fatigue was the result.

    As far as Rush Limbaugh sounding like this, I have never heard him ever sound like disoriented like Joe Biden. I have been listening for three hours a day every week day for many years to Rush.

    Biden has had in the past TWO aneurysms, (that we know about) and yes I absolutely question his effectiveness to continue to serve as the 46th President. We are presently only into 71 days of his presidency. The man will continue to sadly worsen. I have heard Joe from before and how he sounds
    now. It sounds like two different men from these two times. The media as well as Biden supporters will try to continue to cover for him, until they can longer do so. There is something wrong with Joe: speaking like he does with brain fog, disorientation and confusion is far from normal. Nor is it
    remotely acceptable for the President of the United States of America to
    sound like this.

    Donald J. Trump might of mis-spoke on an occasion but he never ever sounded tired and worn out. Politics totally aside: I want my President to be mentally strong and sound clear and crisp and not sounding like non adaptive fool.

    Yes Rush is gone, but his wisdom lives on and it endure for many years to come in his recordings of which are still very much relevant today, liberals are liberals they only worsen over time as they bury themselves even farther left then once previously seen, as they do; they are evermore clearly seen as such. Rush will live in the minds and hearts of his followers. He has changed things greatly. The conservative base is not going anywhere anytime soon.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 01, 2021 23:11:04
    That last part was intended to be tongue-in-cheek, since you're using "um" and "ah" as an indicator of senility, which usually portends an end-of-life situation, and Rush is in fact dead.

    Tongue-in-cheek? More like the tongue was stuck in the cheek.
    Let's be honest here the "um and ah" that I am mentioning here is a
    matter of record and fact. From Joe Biden's foggy brain, based upon that
    I can not be blamed or discredited for pointing out this as an issue.

    Wait, so you believe that Biden's "foggy brain" makes this an issue, but also believe that this is proof of Biden's "foggy brain?" What kind of circular logic is that?

    Biden is not the only one with this particular speaking style, and he also
    has a history of dealing with a speech impediment. Even so, he is much more coherent than Trump ever was. Biden actually has things to say, whereas Trump just riffs on some combination of what he thinks people want to hear and what he thinks makes him look good.

    Blame is one thing, but discrediting is another altogether. There are Congressional Republicans who strongly disagree with your assessment of
    Biden's mental faculties.

    Referring to Joe Biden: You're the leader of the Free World, of the most powerful nation on the face of the planet and with the world watching
    your going to sound like this?

    Trump blathered like an idiot.

    This was heard out of his mouth when Joe attempted to voice a clich‚ and his mental fatigue was the result.

    What?

    As far as Rush Limbaugh sounding like this, I have never heard him ever sound like disoriented like Joe Biden. I have been listening for three hours a day every week day for many years to Rush.

    Biden doesn't sound disoriented. He just uses "um" and "ah" a lot. So did
    Rush. Rush used lots of "filler" words and phrases. Trump repeated himself *a lot* as filler.

    Biden has had in the past TWO aneurysms, (that we know about) and yes I absolutely question his effectiveness to continue to serve as the 46th President. We are presently only into 71 days of his presidency. The man will continue to sadly worsen. I have heard Joe from before and how he sounds now. It sounds like two different men from these two times. The media as well as Biden supporters will try to continue to cover for him, until they can longer do so. There is something wrong with Joe:
    speaking like he does with brain fog, disorientation and confusion is
    far from normal. Nor is it remotely acceptable for the President of the United States of America to sound like this.

    I am not too worried about it. I think his cabinet is infinitely more capable than Trump's was of determining when the POTUS has had it, and when he *has* had it, if that occurs during his elected term, Harris is there to pick up the reins. And, as a bonus, that would also make Harris the incumbent in the next presidential election. As it is, though, Biden has done nothing controversial to indicate that his mental faculties are a problem except for the fact that you don't approve of his speech patterns.

    Donald J. Trump might of mis-spoke on an occasion but he never ever sounded tired and worn out. Politics totally aside: I want my President
    to be mentally strong and sound clear and crisp and not sounding like
    non adaptive fool.

    Never ever? Really? https://theweek.com/articles/902180/trump-just-gave-worst-speech-presidency

    Yes Rush is gone, but his wisdom lives on and it endure for many years
    to come in his recordings of which are still very much relevant today, liberals are liberals they only worsen over time as they bury themselves even farther left then once previously seen, as they do; they are
    evermore clearly seen as such. Rush will live in the minds and hearts of his followers. He has changed things greatly. The conservative base is
    not going anywhere anytime soon.

    The conservative base isn't going anywhere, but the Trump base will shrink
    (and is already shrinking). And Rush will fade into history, just like every other bygone pundit. How relevant is William F. Buckley, Jr., today?

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, April 02, 2021 07:57:57
    On 01 Apr 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    That last part was intended to be tongue-in-cheek, since you're "um" and "ah" as an indicator of senility, which usually portend end-of-life situation, and Rush is in fact dead.

    Tongue-in-cheek? More like the tongue was stuck in the cheek.
    Let's be honest here the "um and ah" that I am mentioning here is a matter of record and fact. From Joe Biden's foggy brain, based upon t I can not be blamed or discredited for pointing out this as an issue.



    Wait, so you believe that Biden's "foggy brain" makes this an issue, but also believe that this is proof of Biden's "foggy brain?" What kind of circular logic is that?


    Biden is not the only one with this particular speaking style, and he
    also has a history of dealing with a speech impediment. Even so, he is much more coherent than Trump ever was. Biden actually has things to
    say, whereas Trump just riffs on some combination of what he thinks
    people want to hear and what he thinks makes him look good.

    I promise a much longer response as there a lot to untangle and untwist back
    to its logical sense, I will do this at the end of my workday, upon arriving home.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, April 02, 2021 08:36:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    man known as Rush Limbaugh. Besides, I can not ever recall Rush ever sounding like Joe Biden.

    Well, ya. Rush could string many words together and form a coherent
    (and informative, and entertaining) sentance. Something that Biden has
    yet to do.

    Of course, the big difference is that 99.98% of what came out of Rush's
    mouth was true. While 99.98% of what has come out of Joe's mouth over
    his 47 years in office has been a lie.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, April 01, 2021 12:20:29
    Plus, we've got people contracting covid even after getting their 2nd dose.

    True, but they are less likely to require hospitalization.

    True, but they're more likely to go out and spread it around. Some people feel fearless now that they've got the vaccine.

    Or, more specifically, the decline in deaths and illnesses rather than
    the dramatic increase seen under Trump.

    That's unfair - the pandemic started with Trump as president so of course
    there was a "dramatic increase" under Trump.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, April 01, 2021 12:27:05
    How many people have died as a result of taking the vaccine? Your
    source for that info is what? How does that number compare to the more than 500,000 who died from Covid before there was a vaccine?

    Newsweek (very liberal) said 977 have died from taking the vaccine. That's a lot more than the 183 who die each year from taking the flu shot (according to cdc.gov.)

    Plus, the 977 covid-19 vaccine deaths don't include the aborted babies who
    died to construct them.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 02, 2021 11:26:53
    On 01 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Plus, we've got people contracting covid even after getting thei dose.

    True, but they are less likely to require hospitalization.

    True, but they're more likely to go out and spread it around. Some
    people feel fearless now that they've got the vaccine.

    Some people, yes.

    Or, more specifically, the decline in deaths and illnesses rather tha the dramatic increase seen under Trump.

    That's unfair - the pandemic started with Trump as president so of course there was a "dramatic increase" under Trump.

    And yet, it could have been less. Trump largely ignored and downplayed it for months.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 02, 2021 11:33:02
    On 01 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    How many people have died as a result of taking the vaccine? Your source for that info is what? How does that number compare to the mo than 500,000 who died from Covid before there was a vaccine?

    Newsweek (very liberal) said 977 have died from taking the vaccine.
    That's a lot more than the 183 who die each year from taking the flu
    shot (according to cdc.gov.)

    1. The number of people who have died *having taken* the vaccine is not the same as the number of people who have died *from taking* the vaccine.

    2. Newsweek did not make the claim that you state. The mention of 966 deaths from taking the vaccine was from a Newsweek *fact check* of an Epoch Times (very conservative) article. They did quote the article, so that claim did technically appear in Newsweek, but the claim failed the fact check for the reason noted above.

    Plus, the 977 covid-19 vaccine deaths don't include the aborted babies
    who died to construct them.

    This has also been debunked.

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 03, 2021 03:13:00
    On 04-01-21 12:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Free Donuts <=-


    How many people have died as a result of taking the vaccine? Your
    source for that info is what? How does that number compare to the more than 500,000 who died from Covid before there was a vaccine?

    Newsweek (very liberal) said 977 have died from taking the vaccine.
    That's a lot more than the 183 who die each year from taking the flu
    shot (according to cdc.gov.)

    I found a newsweek article with nearly the 977 number, but it gave a
    number of 970. That difference is irrelevant. However, what is very
    relevant is the fact that you misquoted the article. It did not say
    that 970 people died *FROM* taking the vaccine. It said that 970 died
    at various times *AFTER* taking the vaccine. It also said that none of
    the deaths have yet to be shown to be as a result of taking the vaccine.
    People die, some took the vaccine. One number in that data had the
    person actually dieing from a car wreck.

    In addition, that 970 number was taken from a period of several months.
    Even if you believe they were *FROM* Covid vaccine, compare that to the
    number of near 900 deaths *FROM* Covid itself *EACH* day. That number
    is down from about 3500 pre day thanks in part to the vaccine.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 03, 2021 02:40:12
    On 03 Apr 2021, Dale Shipp said the following...
    I found a newsweek article with nearly the 977 number, but it gave a number of 970. That difference is irrelevant. However, what is very relevant is the fact that you misquoted the article. It did not say
    that 970 people died *FROM* taking the vaccine. It said that 970 died
    at various times *AFTER* taking the vaccine. It also said that none of the deaths have yet to be shown to be as a result of taking the vaccine. People die, some took the vaccine. One number in that data had the
    person actually dieing from a car wreck.

    ^^^ This. ^^^

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:3634/12 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, April 03, 2021 09:54:59
    Wait, so you believe that Biden's "foggy brain" makes this an issue, but also believe that this is proof of Biden's "foggy brain?" What kind of circular logic is that?
    1.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_6BhfTDw4Q
    time index 17:49 - 18:00
    "If you hold near and dear to you that you uh um like to be able to um...." Biden said, before concluding "anyway."

    Biden then closed his eyes and appeared to struggle to form the next sentence.

    However, after seconds of confusion, he quickly told reassured viewers "we're ready to get a lot done."

    He then appeared to call out a name from a list of White House reporters who were quizzing the president.

    Going back to his list at a later point of the conference, Biden asked "where am I" before asking CNN's Kaitlan Collins for another question.

    2.
    Look at this for yourself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_6BhfTDw4Q
    time index 15:50 - 16:00

    "just when I came to the United States Senate 120 years ago" said Biden

    Wait, what? 120 Years ago? he does not look like he is from the planet Vulcan.

    "Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose -and excluding that which is painful.
    Spock - TOS

    Biden is not the only one with this particular speaking style, and he
    also has a history of dealing with a speech impediment. Even so, he is much more coherent than Trump ever was.

    Defending this, as a particular speaking style, when it is really a sign of confusion is a tell tale sign of just how delusional the left is.

    Referring to Joe Biden: You're the leader of the Free World, of the m powerful nation on the face of the planet and with the world watching your going to sound like this?
    Trump blathered like an idiot.

    Then you were not listening very well, because his words were put into motion with many promises kept.

    There is something wrong with Joe:
    speaking like he does with brain fog, disorientation and confusion is far from normal. Nor is it remotely acceptable for the President of t
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, April 03, 2021 12:54:46
    On 03 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Defending this, as a particular speaking style, when it is really a sign of confusion is a tell tale sign of just how delusional the left is.

    Trump made his share of gaffes, too. Bleach injections, anyone?

    The thing about Biden is that he's not alone. He's choosing his advisors, and for the most part I trust his choices. These are the people that will be feeding him information and helping him make decisions.

    Trump, on the other hand, put an MLM heiress in charge of the Dept. of Education and put someone with no qualifications in charge of the Department
    of Energy. During Perry's presidential run, his "Oops" moment was when he couldn't remember the name of the third department that he'd get rid of if he were elected, but he later clarified that it was the Department of Energy.

    Also, Trump had a tendency to fire anyone who didn't agree with him. He
    wanted to be surrounded by yes-men. I don't get that vibe from Biden; I think he actually respects the opinions of those he's chosen to advise him.

    Trump blathered like an idiot.
    Then you were not listening very well, because his words were put into motion with many promises kept.

    And many unkept.

    There is something wrong with Joe:
    speaking like he does with brain fog, disorientation and confusio far from normal. Nor is it remotely acceptable for the President

    From my end, this was the end of your transmission. I'm not sure why. I feel like you had more to say?

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, April 03, 2021 17:29:31
    On 03 Apr 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 03 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Defending this, as a particular speaking style, when it is really a s of confusion is a tell tale sign of just how delusional the left is.

    Trump made his share of gaffes, too. Bleach injections, anyone?

    Trump did not recommend or advise bleach injections this is what the media twisted it too and there were people unfortunately who took lead from the
    media Their deaths are on their hands, not Trumps.

    Ask yourself why did the media portray this as bleach because they hated Trump that much to twist what he was stating, as a direct result people died due to ingesting this death cocktail, as legit remedy.

    The thing about Biden is that he's not alone. He's choosing his
    advisors, and for the most part I trust his choices. These are the
    people that will be feeding him information and helping him make decisions.

    Ok, what ones do you not like and why?
    Buttigueg is a ex mayor, what does he know about Transportation on a National scale. He is also someone who was not selected by the Democrats to be the President, so why would they be pleased now that he is the Secretary of Transportation. Buttigieg was caught faking Green Lifestyle as rides a bike to work after car drops him off near the destination, the pantywaist couldn't
    even unload his own bicycle from the truck.

    From my end, this was the end of your transmission. I'm not sure why. I feel like you had more to say?

    I will take a look at this, as well as why it you perhaps did receive everything.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, April 03, 2021 17:14:16
    On 03 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Trump did not recommend or advise bleach injections this is what the
    media twisted it too and there were people unfortunately who took lead from the media Their deaths are on their hands, not Trumps.

    Ask yourself why did the media portray this as bleach because they hated Trump that much to twist what he was stating, as a direct result people died due to ingesting this death cocktail, as legit remedy.

    He openly suggested it, on live television.

    The thing about Biden is that he's not alone. He's choosing his advisors, and for the most part I trust his choices. These are the people that will be feeding him information and helping him make decisions.

    Ok, what ones do you not like and why?
    Buttigueg is a ex mayor, what does he know about Transportation on a National scale. He is also someone who was not selected by the Democrats to be the President, so why would they be pleased now that he is the Secretary of Transportation. Buttigieg was caught faking Green Lifestyle as rides a bike to work after car drops him off near the destination,
    the pantywaist couldn't even unload his own bicycle from the truck.

    Hmm. Why would Republicans be happy with Perry as Secretary of Energy when he wasn't selected by them to be President? This one is not really that hard to understand. Secretary < President. Also, the Democratic candidates agreed
    with each other on far more issues than they didn't.

    As for who I disapprove of, I haven't really seen anything yet that I
    disagree with, but I'll leave that option open. In other words, I'm not going to give a blanket endorsement of all of Biden's advisor selections.

    From my end, this was the end of your transmission. I'm not sure why. feel like you had more to say?

    I will take a look at this, as well as why it you perhaps did receive everything.

    It could be something on my end, but your messages are the only ones I seem
    to be seeing this with.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 04, 2021 02:50:11
    That's unfair - the pandemic started with Trump as president so of co there was a "dramatic increase" under Trump.

    And yet, it could have been less. Trump largely ignored and downplayed
    it for months.

    He coulnd't have prevented more deaths. Downplaying it on TV has nothing to do with the number of deaths. He answered the call of duty since day 1. The only thing he did different from Biden was he didn't mandate masks on federal property.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 04, 2021 02:59:28
    1. The number of people who have died *having taken* the vaccine is not the same as the number of people who have died *from taking* the vaccine.

    It kills people similar to the way flu shots kill people.

    2. Newsweek did not make the claim that you state. The mention of 966 deaths from taking the vaccine was from a Newsweek *fact check* of an

    Hello? Newsweek said the claim by The Epoch Times was "mostly true." https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-9 6-died-15744476

    Plus, the 977 covid-19 vaccine deaths don't include the aborted babie who died to construct them.

    This has also been debunked.

    Debunked how? The vaccines contain fetal tissue from aborted fetuses! I guess you could argue that the babies weren't killed specifically for vaccine production, but that's not your argument.

    https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccine -contain-aborted-fetal-cells

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, April 04, 2021 03:58:37
    I found a newsweek article with nearly the 977 number, but it gave a number of 970. That difference is irrelevant. However, what is very

    The main takeaway is that there are cases of people dying from adverse reactions to the vaccine. Maybe not all 977 died from the vaccine, but SOME did.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-covid-vaccine-reactions-death

    This vaccine is unlike any other vaccine ever created before whereas it contains fetal tissue from aborted fetuses. That's strike 1 against it. Strike 2 is that if everyone is to be vaccinated, then more allergic deaths are inevitable.

    Some people are scared to take a flu shot for the same reason. Now this is yet another Russian Roulette for people to experiment with.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 04, 2021 03:59:30
    ^^^ This. ^^^

    Dale was wrong. There ARE people who died from allergic reactions to the shot.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 04, 2021 17:36:57
    On 04 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    And yet, it could have been less. Trump largely ignored and downplaye it for months.
    He coulnd't have prevented more deaths. Downplaying it on TV has nothing to do with the number of deaths. He answered the call of duty since day
    1. The only thing he did different from Biden was he didn't mandate
    masks on federal property.

    By downplaying it, he caused people to not take COVID (and the accompanying health guidelines) seriously. By downplaying it, he prevented the public's response from being what it could have been, and that most certainly affected the number of deaths. People looked to Trump as a leader and he failed them.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 04, 2021 17:46:51
    On 04 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    1. The number of people who have died *having taken* the vaccine is n the same as the number of people who have died *from taking* the vacc

    It kills people similar to the way flu shots kill people.

    Nevertheless, you have to be careful to distinguish one group from the other. More specifically, don't attribute the deaths of people who died *having
    taken* the vaccine to the number of people who died *from taking* the
    vaccine. It doesn't matter if it kills people similarly to the way flu shots kill people, or similarly to the way an Alien Xenomorph kills people; you
    still can't conflate the numbers.

    2. Newsweek did not make the claim that you state. The mention of 966 deaths from taking the vaccine was from a Newsweek *fact check* of an

    Hello? Newsweek said the claim by The Epoch Times was "mostly true." https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-ch 6-died-15744476

    Yes, it's mostly true, because the claim itself is true: That many people did in fact die after having taken a vaccine. However, the "mostly true" designation comes from the Epoch Times' attempt to use that statement to misrepresent the danger of the vaccines by making it seem that the vaccine killed that number of people.

    Plus, the 977 covid-19 vaccine deaths don't include the aborted who died to construct them.

    This has also been debunked.

    Debunked how? The vaccines contain fetal tissue from aborted fetuses! I guess you could argue that the babies weren't killed specifically for vaccine production, but that's not your argument.

    https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-va -contain-aborted-fetal-cells

    The article you linked to specifically states that the stem cell lines used should not be confused with aborted fetal tissue.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 04, 2021 17:54:56
    On 04 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Dale was wrong. There ARE people who died from allergic reactions to the shot.

    There are, but not the numbers that you claim. You're claiming that a maximum of 977 people died from the vaccine, most likely significantly fewer, but that's your estimate. We also have data on how many people died of COVID without having taken the vaccine -- millions. 977 vs. millions.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sunday, April 04, 2021 10:47:00
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_6BhfTDw4Q
    time index 17:49 - 18:00
    "If you hold near and dear to you that you uh um like to be able to um...." Biden said, before concluding "anyway."

    Biden then closed his eyes and appeared to struggle to form the next sentence.

    That was the part where I felt like he was trying to work up to a zinger, probably aimed at Trump, when he completely fell off of his train of
    thought. He did something like that, at least once but more pronounced, on
    the campaign trail, too. He was trying to work up to some point about COVID (presumably, since he never got there) but instead ended with a bunch of uh um's before trailing off and giving up.

    "just when I came to the United States Senate 120 years ago" said Biden

    Wait, what? 120 Years ago? he does not look like he is from the planet Vulcan

    The press, including FOX News, have tried to pass that one off as a joke.
    If it had been alone in a sea of coherence, I would buy that 100%. As it
    is, I think it might have been a joke.

    Biden is not the only one with this particular speaking style, and he also has a history of dealing with a speech impediment. Even so, he is much more coherent than Trump ever was.

    Defending this, as a particular speaking style, when it is really a sign of confusion is a tell tale sign of just how delusional the left is.

    He does show signs of stuttering for sure. I know people who stutter...
    while they might get stuck on a word here and there, they don't seem to
    lose their train of thought like he does. I am not aware of that being
    a symptom of stuttering.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sunday, April 04, 2021 10:50:00
    Ask yourself why did the media portray this as bleach because they hated Trump >that much to twist what he was stating, as a direct result people died due to >ingesting this death cocktail, as legit remedy.

    There were idiots drinking bleach before Trump got blamed for telling
    people to do that, before COVID even, so I am not sure he can be blamed for
    for what any idiots did after the press reported it.

    Buttigueg is a ex mayor, what does he know about Transportation on a National scale. He is also someone who was not selected by the Democrats to be the President, so why would they be pleased now that he is the Secretary of Transportation. Buttigieg was caught faking Green Lifestyle as rides a bike to
    work after car drops him off near the destination, the pantywaist couldn't even unload his own bicycle from the truck.

    LOL, I saw that.

    Some of your messages are ending rather abruptly, with a bunch of SEEN-BY
    lines following your text.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, April 04, 2021 10:53:00
    Ask yourself why did the media portray this as bleach because they hated Trump that much to twist what he was stating, as a direct result people died due to ingesting this death cocktail, as legit remedy.

    He openly suggested it, on live television.

    Paraphrasing, after talking about how the virus could be killed on surfaces using bleach and other cleansers, he said it was too bad there was not something "like" a cleanser for humans. He never said we should try
    drinking or injecting bleach.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, April 04, 2021 19:18:42
    On 04 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    He openly suggested it, on live television.

    Paraphrasing, after talking about how the virus could be killed on surfaces using bleach and other cleansers, he said it was too bad there was not something "like" a cleanser for humans. He never said we should try drinking or injecting bleach.

    Trump said:
    "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And
    is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous
    number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.
    So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in
    one minute. That's pretty powerful."

    "So it'd be interesting to check that out," he said.

    Keep in mind that Trump said this *after* he tried to convince everyone to
    take hydroxychloroquine against medical advice and in the absence of any
    proof of efficacy. "What have you got to lose?" he asked?

    And a related question: Why are we all getting vaccines instead of ingesting hydroxychloroquine? Was Trump selling snake oil?

    And another related question: Where was Trump going with the "going to have
    to use medical doctors with" sentence fragment? Isn't the inability to string words together a sign of senility and/or dementia?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, April 04, 2021 19:41:59
    Trump did not recommend or advise bleach injections this is what the
    media twisted it too and there were people unfortunately who took lead from the media Their deaths are on their hands, not Trumps.

    Joe Biden said that it's more humane to force children to swim in the Rio Grande than it is to force them to sleep in a Mexican detention facility.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 04, 2021 22:44:41
    Joe Biden said that it's more humane to force children to swim in the Rio Grande than it is to force them to sleep in a Mexican detention facility.

    Nice try, but no. In order to make it to the Mexican detention facility, the children had to first cross the Rio Grande and request asylum in the US. Only then would they be sent to the Mexican detention facility to await their hearing in the US.

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 05, 2021 00:42:02
    On 04-04-21 03:58, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Deaths <=-

    The main takeaway is that there are cases of people dying from adverse reactions to the vaccine. Maybe not all 977 died from the vaccine, but SOME did.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-covid- vaccine-reactions-death

    That article is not clear as to effects caused by the vaccine versus
    effects observed after taking the vaccine. More than 100,000,000 people
    have received at least one dose. The bottom number in the chart on that
    page you mention has a total of 55,846, which is 0.056% of the number of
    people who have been vaccinated. If those same 100,000,000 had not
    received a vaccine and then gotten infected with Covid, then at least
    1,000,000 of them would have died according to the current results seen
    in the data nationwide (more than 1% of resolved cases have resulted in
    death).
    A reasonable conclusion from that chart is that people are far more safe getting the vaccine than not getting the vaccine.

    This vaccine is unlike any other vaccine ever created before whereas
    it contains fetal tissue from aborted fetuses. That's strike 1 against
    it.

    That is false. Take a look at https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-aborted-fetal-cells/


    Strike 2 is that if everyone is to be vaccinated, then more
    allergic deaths are inevitable.

    But far fewer deaths as a result of being vaccinated than the number of
    deaths from not being vaccinated.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 04, 2021 22:16:02
    By downplaying it, he caused people to not take COVID (and the accompanying health guidelines) seriously. By downplaying it, he
    prevented the public's response from being what it could have been, and that most certainly affected the number of deaths. People looked to
    Trump as a leader and he failed them.

    Thank you for that explanation. So maybe Trump should have learned more about the virus before getting on TV and talking about it.

    But I don't believe that his "downplaying" led to any deaths. Did anyone have "Trump downplayed the virus" printed on their death certificates in the cause of death section?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 04, 2021 22:20:34
    This has also been debunked.

    Debunked how? The vaccines contain fetal tissue from aborted fetuses! guess you could argue that the babies weren't killed specifically for vaccine production, but that's not your argument.

    https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid- -contain-aborted-fetal-cells

    The article you linked to specifically states that the stem cell lines used should not be confused with aborted fetal tissue.

    Yea sure it says that - that's why I didn't confuse it. It says that the vaccines don't contain fetus cells but it contains fetus tissue, but fetus tissue don't grow on trees. That's why I asked "What's been debunked?" But nothing's been debunked here. The vaccines contain fetus tissue from aborted babies, which is a hard sell for many Republican supporters.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 04, 2021 22:32:14
    There are, but not the numbers that you claim. You're claiming that a maximum of 977 people died from the vaccine, most likely significantly

    My number of 977 could be faulty, but it could also be accurate. Death certificates are not public records (that I know of.) I think some states have a policy of sharing covid death #s with the public, but there's no way they could be required to disclose vaccine-related deaths. (It's not as important.)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 05, 2021 10:24:17
    On 01 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Newsweek (very liberal) said 977 have died from taking the vaccine.
    That's a lot more than the 183 who die each year from taking the flu
    shot (according to cdc.gov.)

    Plus, the 977 covid-19 vaccine deaths don't include the aborted babies
    who died to construct them.

    You do realize that these are the vaccines that were developed in conjunction with Trump's Operation Warp Speed, right? So it really sounds like you're saying that Trump handled the pandemic splendiferously because he launched Operation Warp Speed, but also that no one should trust the vaccines the development of which was the whole point of Operation Warp Speed.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, April 05, 2021 16:14:00
    Paraphrasing, after talking about how the virus could be killed on surfaces using bleach and other cleansers, he said it was too bad there was not something "like" a cleanser for humans. He never said we should try drinking or injecting bleach.

    Trump said:
    "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that, so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in
    one minute. That's pretty powerful."

    "So it'd be interesting to check that out," he said.

    Yes, he was asking for a way to do something LIKE that, and suggested you
    need to talk to a doctor. He didn't say "get a hypodermic needle, fill it up with Clorox, and stick yourself in the arm" or "drink bleach" or to do
    anything without speaking to a doctor first. Only dumbasses
    who have English comprehension issues would think that they should take that
    as a suggestion to ingest bleach.

    And another related question: Where was Trump going with the "going to have to use medical doctors with" sentence fragment? Isn't the inability to string words together a sign of senility and/or dementia?

    No, but if he'd started trailing off with a bunch of "um, uhs," followed by
    a "whatever" or "anyway" without ever finishing his thought it might be.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 05, 2021 20:15:05
    On 04 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Thank you for that explanation. So maybe Trump should have learned more about the virus before getting on TV and talking about it.

    But I don't believe that his "downplaying" led to any deaths. Did anyone have "Trump downplayed the virus" printed on their death certificates in the cause of death section?

    That's not how it works. But you already knew that, right?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 05, 2021 20:18:48
    On 04 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The article you linked to specifically states that the stem cell line used should not be confused with aborted fetal tissue.

    Yea sure it says that - that's why I didn't confuse it. It says that the vaccines don't contain fetus cells but it contains fetus tissue, but
    fetus tissue don't grow on trees. That's why I asked "What's been debunked?" But nothing's been debunked here. The vaccines contain fetus tissue from aborted babies, which is a hard sell for many Republican supporters.

    It doesn't grow on trees, but it does grow in a lab.

    The stem cells mentioned were never part of any fetus.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 05, 2021 20:23:08
    On 04 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    There are, but not the numbers that you claim. You're claiming that a maximum of 977 people died from the vaccine, most likely significantl

    My number of 977 could be faulty, but it could also be accurate. Death certificates are not public records (that I know of.) I think some
    states have a policy of sharing covid death #s with the public, but there's no way they could be required to disclose vaccine-related
    deaths. (It's not as important.)

    That's not the point. The point is that your number, whether accurate or not, is dwarfed by the number of people who died from not having the vaccine.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, April 05, 2021 20:27:09
    On 05 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Yes, he was asking for a way to do something LIKE that, and suggested you need to talk to a doctor. He didn't say "get a hypodermic needle, fill
    it up with Clorox, and stick yourself in the arm" or "drink bleach" or
    to do anything without speaking to a doctor first. Only dumbasses
    who have English comprehension issues would think that they should take that as a suggestion to ingest bleach.

    It would seem that a disproportionate number of Trump supporters are
    "dumbasses who have English comprehension issues," then.

    No, but if he'd started trailing off with a bunch of "um, uhs," followed by a "whatever" or "anyway" without ever finishing his thought it might be.

    He never finished that thought.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Monday, April 05, 2021 21:47:57
    On 05 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

    Paraphrasing, after talking about how the virus could be killed on surfaces using bleach and other cleansers, he said it was too bad th was not something "like" a cleanser for humans. He never said we sh try drinking or injecting bleach.

    Trump said:
    "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or alm cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that, so that you'r going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it i one minute. That's pretty powerful."

    "So it'd be interesting to check that out," he said.

    Yes, he was asking for a way to do something LIKE that, and suggested you need to talk to a doctor. He didn't say "get a hypodermic needle, fill
    it up with Clorox, and stick yourself in the arm"

    HA HA I read this and I was like, oh no he didn't, but yeah you did. :)
    Good for you though, sometimes, it's almost a requirement to spell things with descriptive language for some to really understand what was said.
    I'm glad that we can finally move on from what Trump didn't say.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 05, 2021 21:23:54
    On 05 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Trump said:
    "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one min is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside o cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremen number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that, so that going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interestin So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills one minute. That's pretty powerful."

    "So it'd be interesting to check that out," he said.

    Yes, he was asking for a way to do something LIKE that, and suggested need to talk to a doctor. He didn't say "get a hypodermic needle, fi it up with Clorox, and stick yourself in the arm"

    HA HA I read this and I was like, oh no he didn't, but yeah you did. :) Good for you though, sometimes, it's almost a requirement to spell
    things with descriptive language for some to really understand what was said. I'm glad that we can finally move on from what Trump didn't say.

    There are a lot of things Trump didn't say, aren't there? For example Trump never said that people should check with a doctor before injecting/ingesting bleach, although Mike would like you to believe he did. But what did Mike actually say? He said that Trump "suggested" that people consult a doctor beforehand. If Trump can "suggest" that without really saying it, then he can "suggest" other things without really saying them, either.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 08:08:41
    On 05 Apr 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    230
    On 05 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Trump said:
    "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in on is there a way we can do something like that, by injection ins cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a t number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that, so going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds inter So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it one minute. That's pretty powerful."

    "So it'd be interesting to check that out," he said.

    Yes, he was asking for a way to do something LIKE that, and sugg need to talk to a doctor. He didn't say "get a hypodermic needl it up with Clorox, and stick yourself in the arm"

    HA HA I read this and I was like, oh no he didn't, but yeah you did. Good for you though, sometimes, it's almost a requirement to spell things with descriptive language for some to really understand what w said. I'm glad that we can finally move on from what Trump didn't say

    There are a lot of things Trump didn't say, aren't there? For example Trump never said that people should check with a doctor before injecting/ingesting bleach, although Mike would like you to believe he did. But what did Mike actually say? He said that Trump "suggested" that people consult a doctor beforehand. If Trump can "suggest" that without really saying it, then he can "suggest" other things without really
    saying them, either.

    Here is what I can tell you, people on the left will try their very best to twist and take out of context of what Trump did or said to make themselves feel better. They also will not see Joe Biden as confused, incoherent, not at all. They will never see this as 'deer in the headlights' (like there is no light behind the eyes) but they will and have suggested that this is his speaking style, and proclaim there is nothing to see here, well you might be right
    with that last part.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 00:38:57
    it contains fetal tissue from aborted fetuses. That's strike 1 agains it.

    That is false. Take a look at https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-aborted-fetal-cells/

    I read that article, but there are a lot of articles on this subject and some have led me to believe that "There's a difference between fetal cells and
    fetal tissue," and that while the vaccines don't contain fetal cells, some of them contain fetal tissue.

    Strike 2 is that if everyone is to be vaccinated, then more
    allergic deaths are inevitable.

    But far fewer deaths as a result of being vaccinated than the number of deaths from not being vaccinated.

    Right, but if it weren't for China's mishandling of the virus, then people wouldn't have to go to Walgreens to risk their life on a vaccine that has even a 1% death rate. Plus we've got people getting infected after getting vaccinated. Probably another low number - but not everyone wants to gamble
    with their lives.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 00:46:07
    You do realize that these are the vaccines that were developed in conjunction with Trump's Operation Warp Speed, right? So it really
    sounds like you're saying that Trump handled the pandemic
    splendiferously because he launched Operation Warp Speed, but also that
    no one should trust the vaccines the development of which was the whole point of Operation Warp Speed.

    Yes Jeff, good eye you have there! Trump's Operation Warp Speed expedited the vaccine research, but despite my admiration and trust of Trump, I ain't gonna take the vaccine. I'll take it when he takes it.

    Sometimes you've got to break with your party.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 00:47:53
    But I don't believe that his "downplaying" led to any deaths. Did any have "Trump downplayed the virus" printed on their death certificates the cause of death section?

    That's not how it works. But you already knew that, right?

    Yes I did. The way it works is we try to blame Trump for everything because that helps secure tomorrow's handouts.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 00:50:39
    That's not the point. The point is that your number, whether accurate or not, is dwarfed by the number of people who died from not having the vaccine.

    Just wait until China unleashes Covid-20; we'll be taking chances with other risky vaccines from here on out, unless the Democrats find a way to brainwash the other half of the country. If they can do that, then China will love us long time.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 08:30:36
    On 06 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    There are a lot of things Trump didn't say, aren't there? For example Trump never said that people should check with a doctor before injecting/ingesting bleach, although Mike would like you to believe h did. But what did Mike actually say? He said that Trump "suggested" t people consult a doctor beforehand. If Trump can "suggest" that witho really saying it, then he can "suggest" other things without really saying them, either.

    Here is what I can tell you, people on the left will try their very best to twist and take out of context of what Trump did or said to make themselves feel better. They also will not see Joe Biden as confused, incoherent, not at all. They will never see this as 'deer in the headlights' (like there is no light behind the eyes) but they will and have suggested that this is his speaking style, and proclaim there is nothing to see here, well you might be right with that last part.

    Trump said what he said, and his followers heard what they heard. If they
    heard more or less than anything he said, then that's his fault as a
    speaker. If anything, Trump's rant about disinfectants and really bright
    lights was confused and incoherent.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 08:57:03
    On 06 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    You do realize that these are the vaccines that were developed in conjunction with Trump's Operation Warp Speed, right? So it really sounds like you're saying that Trump handled the pandemic splendiferously because he launched Operation Warp Speed, but also th no one should trust the vaccines the development of which was the who point of Operation Warp Speed.

    Yes Jeff, good eye you have there! Trump's Operation Warp Speed
    expedited the vaccine research, but despite my admiration and trust of Trump, I ain't gonna take the vaccine. I'll take it when he takes it.

    It was too little too late to put a real dent in the death toll, but yes, it did expedite the vaccines.

    Trump already admitted that he took the vaccine, in secret: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/03/01/trump-vaccinated-in-januar y-after-claiming-he-was-immune-to-covid-19/?sh=6786f5479503

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 09:00:44
    On 06 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    But I don't believe that his "downplaying" led to any deaths. Di have "Trump downplayed the virus" printed on their death certifi the cause of death section?

    That's not how it works. But you already knew that, right?

    Yes I did. The way it works is we try to blame Trump for everything because that helps secure tomorrow's handouts.

    Nope, but we do assign blame where blame is due. If an automobile
    manufacturer built a fatal flaw into some of their vehicles and people died
    as a result, would their death certificate say, "Manufacturer error?" What is written on someone's death certificate very rarely tells the whole story, and you're apparently relying on that fact to defend Trump.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 09:06:59
    On 06 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    That's not the point. The point is that your number, whether accurate not, is dwarfed by the number of people who died from not having the vaccine.

    Just wait until China unleashes Covid-20; we'll be taking chances with other risky vaccines from here on out, unless the Democrats find a way
    to brainwash the other half of the country. If they can do that, then China will love us long time.

    Prediction noted.

    I would point out, though, that specifically referring to a disease as
    COVID-20 does put a time constraint on your prediction. (SARS-CoV-2 is the
    name of the virus; COVID-19 is the name of the disease it causes. This is similar to the difference between HIV and AIDS.)

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 16:20:47
    Hello Aaron,

    The article you linked to specifically states that the stem cell lines
    used should not be confused with aborted fetal tissue.

    Yea sure it says that - that's why I didn't confuse it. It says that the vaccines don't contain fetus cells but it contains fetus tissue, but fetus tissue don't grow on trees. That's why I asked "What's been debunked?" But nothing's been debunked here. The vaccines contain fetus tissue from aborted
    babies, which is a hard sell for many Republican supporters.

    So what do you want to do? Die of covid-19? Or die of fetal tissue
    from dead babies? The choice is up to you ...

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 09:30:53
    On 06 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    You do realize that these are the vaccines that were developed in conjunction with Trump's Operation Warp Speed, right? So it really sounds like you're saying that Trump handled the pandemic splendiferously because he launched Operation Warp Speed, but also th no one should trust the vaccines the development of which was the who point of Operation Warp Speed.

    Yes Jeff, good eye you have there! Trump's Operation Warp Speed
    expedited the vaccine research, but despite my admiration and trust of Trump, I ain't gonna take the vaccine. I'll take it when he takes it.

    So... what you're saying is... Trump's talk and behavior had no effect on people's behavior regarding COVID health guidelines... but... you're not
    going to take a vaccine until you find out he has taken one?

    Bravo, buddy. Bravo. And thanks for the assist.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 13:03:00
    No, but if he'd started trailing off with a bunch of "um, uhs," followed by a "whatever" or "anyway" without ever finishing his thought it might be.

    He never finished that thought.

    The quote you provided showed him continuing on without trailing off into Bidenwhateverland.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 13:06:00
    Yes, he was asking for a way to do something LIKE that, and suggested you
    need to talk to a doctor. He didn't say "get a hypodermic needle, fill it up with Clorox, and stick yourself in the arm" or "drink bleach" or to do anything without speaking to a doctor first. Only dumbasses
    who have English comprehension issues would think that they should take that as a suggestion to ingest bleach.

    It would seem that a disproportionate number of Trump supporters are "dumbasses who have English comprehension issues," then.

    Many more non-Trump supporters have been pointing to that quote as proof he told people to drink or inject bleach... many more than people who actually
    did it. And, since we've established that people were already ingesting
    bleach (you could find the challenge videos on YT until they took them
    down), there seems to be much more solid proof of a disaproportioinate
    number of non-Trump supporting "dumbasses who have English comprehension issues."


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 13:08:00
    HA HA I read this and I was like, oh no he didn't, but yeah you did. :)
    Good for you though, sometimes, it's almost a requirement to spell things with >descriptive language for some to really understand what was said.

    Indeed. :)

    I'm glad that we can finally move on from what Trump didn't say.

    Me also.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 13:26:00
    There are a lot of things Trump didn't say, aren't there? For example Trump never said that people should check with a doctor before injecting/ingesting bleach, although Mike would like you to believe he did. But what did Mike actually say? He said that Trump "suggested" that people consult a doctor beforehand. If Trump can "suggest" that without really saying it, then he can "suggest" other things without really saying them, either.

    So let's spin & twist another way now? LOL, keep grasping at those straws. Fact is the quote *that you posted* proved my point... he never said to put bleach in one's body, and never suggested it.

    When someone says it would be nice to have something "like" something else,
    the word "like" is usually a give-away that they are looking for something similar but not exactly that thing.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 20:13:39
    Trump said what he said, and his followers heard what they heard. If they heard more or less than anything he said, then that's his fault as a speaker. If anything, Trump's rant about disinfectants and really bright lights was confused and incoherent.
    Just lucky for all of us, that we all live within the computer age where information can be verified with "what exactly" was said.
    The same is also true with information that is being passed off as the truth specially when there is a record via our fingertips that can be accessed.
    This search for the truth provides many things.
    1. It is the moment where one is proven wrong due to the record.
    2. It provides a potential viewing into the motivation and perhaps the very reasoning as to why it was even modified in the first place.
    Therefore, I submit that it is the Democrats and Liberals who have wishful thinking and they are the ones who have a selective memory or wish to hear what they want to hear or remember. This of course is due to TDS. in other words.... "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 19:16:04
    On 06 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    He never finished that thought.

    The quote you provided showed him continuing on without trailing off into Bidenwhateverland.

    He did continue on, but he didn't revisit that thought. What was he saying about medical doctors?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 19:18:26
    On 06 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    It would seem that a disproportionate number of Trump supporters are "dumbasses who have English comprehension issues," then.

    Many more non-Trump supporters have been pointing to that quote as proof he told people to drink or inject bleach... many more than people who actually did it. And, since we've established that people were already ingesting bleach (you could find the challenge videos on YT until they took them down), there seems to be much more solid proof of a disaproportioinate number of non-Trump supporting "dumbasses who have English comprehension issues."

    No, I don't think so. The uptick in bleach ingestions happened after that speech. As far as more people pointing to that speech as the cause of bleach ingestion that people who actually ingested bleach, what does that prove? Far more people have talked about men walking on the moon than have actually
    walked on the moon, no?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 19:23:24
    On 06 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    So let's spin & twist another way now? LOL, keep grasping at those straws. Fact is the quote *that you posted* proved my point... he never said to put bleach in one's body, and never suggested it.

    You said he told them to check with a doctor first, when he didn't. He didn't explicitly tell them to put bleach in their bodies, no, but he suggested that it could be a possible way to rid oneself of the disease. And apparently that was enough for some people.

    When someone says it would be nice to have something "like" something else, the word "like" is usually a give-away that they are looking for something similar but not exactly that thing.

    What's more "like" something than that exact thing? Typically when someone
    says that (for example, "It would be nice to have a car like a Lamborghini"), that means that that exact thing would most certainly be ideal, but they're willing to lower their standards somewhat. "It would be nice to have a car
    like a Lamborghini" does not in any way rule out Lamborghinis being very nice to have.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 19:31:15
    On 06 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Trump said what he said, and his followers heard what they heard. If heard more or less than anything he said, then that's his fault as a speaker. If anything, Trump's rant about disinfectants and really bri lights was confused and incoherent.
    Just lucky for all of us, that we all live within the computer age where information can be verified with "what exactly" was said.

    Yes, we can. But do we? You and I aren't the ones who drank bleach.

    The same is also true with information that is being passed off as the truth specially when there is a record via our fingertips that can be accessed. This search for the truth provides many things.

    It does. It reveals Trump suggesting that ingesting bleach could be a cure
    for COVID. Nevermind how mind-numbingly stupid that is on its face, but
    people actually took it as medical advice from Dear Leader.

    1. It is the moment where one is proven wrong due to the record.

    People ingested bleach as an attempt to cure COVID after Trump suggested that ingesting bleach might be a way to cure COVID.

    2. It provides a potential viewing into the motivation and perhaps the very reasoning as to why it was even modified in the first place.

    Trump suggested that ingesting bleach was a way to cure COVID.

    Therefore, I submit that it is the Democrats and Liberals who have
    wishful thinking and they are the ones who have a selective memory or
    wish to hear what they want to hear or remember. This of course is due
    to TDS. in other words.... "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may
    be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

    The facts are that there are people who took Trump seriously. Trump
    supporters, sure, but people nonetheless. Those are facts and evidence that
    you cannot alter.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 22:17:40
    The facts are that there are people who took Trump seriously. Trump supporters, sure, but people nonetheless. Those are facts and evidence that you cannot alter.
    You're so sure, until you're proven wrong.

    Here is what the man actually said.
    "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said
    you're going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"

    He continued.

    "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And
    is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous
    number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that, so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So,
    we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful."

    Something LIKE that indeed...

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 14:50:23
    Nope, but we do assign blame where blame is due. If an automobile manufacturer built a fatal flaw into some of their vehicles and people died as a result, would their death certificate say, "Manufacturer
    error?" What is written on someone's death certificate very rarely tells the whole story, and you're apparently relying on that fact to defend Trump.

    Nope, but if people could attribute their deaths to Trump's "bad" pandemic response, then they'd sue him for it, or sue the government. I haven't heard any such complaints ever.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 14:54:00
    Just wait until China unleashes Covid-20; we'll be taking chances wit other risky vaccines from here on out, unless the Democrats find a wa to brainwash the other half of the country. If they can do that, then China will love us long time.

    Prediction noted.

    I find it ironic that my prediction is Democrats preventing future outbreaks when it's their liberal policies that led to this outbreak. :)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 15:12:03
    So what do you want to do? Die of covid-19? Or die of fetal tissue
    from dead babies? The choice is up to you ...

    I'm social distancing and/or wearing masks. I'm waiting for a vaccine with a 100% survival rate. It will come. Good vaccines take time and aren't rushed. You're injecting the Donald J Trump vaccine into your blodstream while it only has a 99% survival rate. Do you love him that much? I feel like the vaccines are better used on people with high risk factors.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 15:17:35
    So... what you're saying is... Trump's talk and behavior had no effect on people's behavior regarding COVID health guidelines... but... you're not going to take a vaccine until you find out he has taken one?

    I won't take it until there's one with a 100% survival rate. What do I need it for? Do democrats want to stop social distancing and mask wearing? Social distancing and mask wearing is convenient. Plus, you'll never know if EVERYONE is vaccinated or not. When are you gonna feel ready to go into the grocery store and munch a few grapes without rinsing them? Walk right up to the
    cashier with no mask? We're talking about potentially catching covid, but then experiencing milder symptoms. Does that sound fun?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 21:44:54
    On 06 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The facts are that there are people who took Trump seriously. Trump supporters, sure, but people nonetheless. Those are facts and evidenc that you cannot alter.
    You're so sure, until you're proven wrong.

    Here is what the man actually said.
    "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked, but
    you're going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some
    other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you're going to test that,
    too. Sounds interesting, right?"

    He continued.

    "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that, so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light,
    the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful."

    Something LIKE that indeed...

    Yep, he definitely suggested using disinfectants to cure COVID.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 21:45:41
    On 06 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Nope, but we do assign blame where blame is due. If an automobile manufacturer built a fatal flaw into some of their vehicles and peopl died as a result, would their death certificate say, "Manufacturer error?" What is written on someone's death certificate very rarely te the whole story, and you're apparently relying on that fact to defend Trump.

    Nope, but if people could attribute their deaths to Trump's "bad"
    pandemic response, then they'd sue him for it, or sue the government. I haven't heard any such complaints ever.

    No one's going to sue him, but he'll go down in history with that albatross around his neck.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 21:47:09
    On 06 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Just wait until China unleashes Covid-20; we'll be taking chance other risky vaccines from here on out, unless the Democrats find to brainwash the other half of the country. If they can do that, China will love us long time.

    Prediction noted.

    I find it ironic that my prediction is Democrats preventing future outbreaks when it's their liberal policies that led to this outbreak. :)

    In what way do you feel that Democrat policies led to this outbreak? This happened 100% on Trump's watch.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 21:48:52
    On 06 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    So... what you're saying is... Trump's talk and behavior had no effec people's behavior regarding COVID health guidelines... but... you're going to take a vaccine until you find out he has taken one?
    I won't take it until there's one with a 100% survival rate. What do I need it for? Do democrats want to stop social distancing and mask
    wearing? Social distancing and mask wearing is convenient. Plus, you'll never know if EVERYONE is vaccinated or not. When are you gonna feel
    ready to go into the grocery store and munch a few grapes without
    rinsing them? Walk right up to the cashier with no mask? We're talking about potentially catching covid, but then experiencing milder symptoms. Does that sound fun?

    We do what we have to. Trump's already taken the vaccine. And a mild case sounds a whole lot better than a deadly one.

    Why do you let Trump's behavior regarding the vaccine define your own?

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 07, 2021 01:20:00
    On 04-06-21 00:38, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Deaths <=-

    Plus we've got people getting infected
    after getting vaccinated. Probably another low number - but not
    everyone wants to gamble with their lives.

    It is a low number, and the vaccine protects from serious infection and
    death.

    I have yet to see any rational argument as to why anyone would choose
    not to receive a vaccine as soon as it is available.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 07, 2021 01:35:06
    On 04-06-21 00:46, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Free Donuts <=-


    You do realize that these are the vaccines that were developed in conjunction with Trump's Operation Warp Speed, right? So it really
    sounds like you're saying that Trump handled the pandemic
    splendiferously because he launched Operation Warp Speed, but also that
    no one should trust the vaccines the development of which was the whole point of Operation Warp Speed.

    Yes Jeff, good eye you have there! Trump's Operation Warp Speed
    expedited the vaccine research, but despite my admiration and trust of Trump, I ain't gonna take the vaccine. I'll take it when he takes it.

    DUH, he took the vaccine in January.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, April 07, 2021 10:48:00
    No, I don't think so. The uptick in bleach ingestions happened after that speech. As far as more people pointing to that speech as the cause of bleach ingestion that people who actually ingested bleach, what does that prove? Far more people have talked about men walking on the moon than have actually walked on the moon, no?

    Apples and oranges. Walking on the moon is not something many would have access to do. You can't go to the supermarket and buy a walk on the moon.
    You can buy bleach.

    As far as more people pointing to that speech as the cause of bleach ingestion that people who actually ingested bleach, what does that prove?

    I think it proves there were more lefties that misunderstood what was said, through poor English comprehension, or that wanted it misunderstood, than
    any other group.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, April 07, 2021 10:50:00
    So let's spin & twist another way now? LOL, keep grasping at those straws. Fact is the quote *that you posted* proved my point... he never said to put bleach in one's body, and never suggested it.

    You said he told them to check with a doctor first, when he didn't. He didn't explicitly tell them to put bleach in their bodies, no, but he suggested that it could be a possible way to rid oneself of the disease. And apparently that was enough for some people.

    No, he said it would be nice to have something that worked in the body "like" cleansers do on surfaces. You proved that with the quote you provided.

    U no reed inglush gud.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wednesday, April 07, 2021 10:55:00
    Just lucky for all of us, that we all live within the computer age where information can be verified with "what exactly" was said.
    The same is also true with information that is being passed off as the truth specially when there is a record via our fingertips that can be accessed. This search for the truth provides many things.

    It is entertaining to get him going about something when he is the one that provided the quote that proved what was said, and that what he claims (and still is claiming) is not correct. :D


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, April 07, 2021 16:25:50
    On 07 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    No, I don't think so. The uptick in bleach ingestions happened after tha speech. As far as more people pointing to that speech as the cause of bl ingestion that people who actually ingested bleach, what does that prove more people have talked about men walking on the moon than have actually walked on the moon, no?

    Apples and oranges. Walking on the moon is not something many would have access to do. You can't go to the supermarket and buy a walk on the
    moon. You can buy bleach.

    The ratio of people talking about something vs. the number of people doing something is meaningless.

    As far as more people pointing to that speech as the cause of bleach ingestion that people who actually ingested bleach, what does that prove

    I think it proves there were more lefties that misunderstood what was said, through poor English comprehension, or that wanted it
    misunderstood, than any other group.

    It wasn't the lefties drinking the bleach, though, was it?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, April 07, 2021 16:30:11
    No, he said it would be nice to have something that worked in the body "like" cleansers do on surfaces. You proved that with the quote you provided.

    Yes, something that worked like cleansers on surfaces, except you'd need to
    get it into the body somehow. But how would you get it into the body?

    "And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs..."

    Well, that's how.

    U no reed inglush gud.

    You only comprehend what you want to comprehend.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, April 07, 2021 16:50:37
    On 07 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Just lucky for all of us, that we all live within the computer age where information can be verified with "what exactly" was said.
    The same is also true with information that is being passed off as the t specially when there is a record via our fingertips that can be accessed This search for the truth provides many things.

    It is entertaining to get him going about something when he is the one that provided the quote that proved what was said, and that what he
    claims (and still is claiming) is not correct. :D

    The computer age can also provide us with information about the consequences
    of what was said.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/04/25/calls-to-poison-centers-s pike--after-the-presidents-comments-about-using-disinfectants-to-treat-coronavi rus/?sh=72cc91c51157

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Thursday, April 08, 2021 06:27:05
    On 07 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

    Just lucky for all of us, that we all live within the computer age where information can be verified with "what exactly" was said.

    It is entertaining to get him going about something when he is the one that provided the quote that proved what was said, and that what he
    claims (and still is claiming) is not correct. :D
    Yes, Trump Derangement Syndrome does seem to be the confirmed diagnosis.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, April 08, 2021 07:11:55
    What is the Biden Administration doing to hold China accountable.
    Covid19 - I believe this was a biological attack on Trump's America, the millions of people from other counties who were infected or have died, simply got in the way.

    Unfair Trade tariffs placed on American Made imports.

    The current or future manipulation of Chinese currency.

    The build up in the South China sea, which is international waters.

    The Chinese military completing military exercises in Canada.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, April 08, 2021 07:53:18
    Nope, but if people could attribute their deaths to Trump's "bad" pandemic response, then they'd sue him for it, or sue the government. haven't heard any such complaints ever.

    No one's going to sue him, but he'll go down in history with that albatross around his neck.

    Can't successfully sue somebody when the claim is fake.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, April 08, 2021 07:55:42
    I find it ironic that my prediction is Democrats preventing future outbreaks when it's their liberal policies that led to this outbreak.

    In what way do you feel that Democrat policies led to this outbreak? This happened 100% on Trump's watch.

    Trump pulled us out of Clinton's Pacific Trade Deal and sanctioned China so they would have to buy more American goods. They don't like to be disrespected like that, and they retaliated. Their policies combined with Trump's policies led to this.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, April 08, 2021 08:02:30
    I have yet to see any rational argument as to why anyone would choose
    not to receive a vaccine as soon as it is available.

    I see it like this:

    Democrat president Clinton makes China happy,
    Republican president Trump makes China angry,
    China responds with biological attack (covid-19,)
    Americans take a 1% chance of dying by taking the vaccine for covid-19,
    Another Republican defends the USA against China in the future,
    China responds with biological attack #2 (covid-20,)
    Once Again, Americans inject another 1% chance of death for a covid-20 vaccine

    How many 1% chances of death should I play around in my lifetime just because of politics?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Thursday, April 08, 2021 16:07:00
    It is entertaining to get him going about something when he is the one that provided the quote that proved what was said, and that what he claims (and still is claiming) is not correct. :D
    Yes, Trump Derangement Syndrome does seem to be the confirmed diagnosis.

    Indeed.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, April 08, 2021 17:04:00
    The ratio of people talking about something vs. the number of people doing something is meaningless.

    The number of people doing something because they think they were told to
    vs. the number of people who also misunderstood and claim that people were
    told to do something is relevant.

    If you have 200 people who hear the same thing, 100 "Trumpsters" and 100 leftists -- 10 are Trumpster idiots who decide to drink bleach, 50 are lefty idiots who swear up and down that we were told to drink bleach, and the other 90 "Trumpsters" and 50 lefties didn't drink it and didn't think they were
    told to, then you have a pretty good idea of which group has the most people with comprehension issues.

    It is good for you that you are not a "Trumpster" because I now have little doubt that you'd have drank or injected bleach.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 08, 2021 23:42:29
    Hello Greg,

    What is the Biden Administration doing to hold China accountable.

    President Biden is doing what every US President should be doing.

    Covid19 - I believe this was a biological attack on Trump's America, the millions of people from other counties who were infected or have died, simply got in the way.

    There is no credible evidence supporting your view. But that's okay.
    Everybody is entitled to his/her own belief.

    Unfair Trade tariffs placed on American Made imports.

    Imposing tariffs on other countries is like shooting yourself
    in the foot, as other countries retaliate by placing tariffs on
    our products. Such 'trade wars' do not do us any good. What we
    need is to pursue a policy of 'fair trade' - not free trade.

    The US has the best work force in the world. The best-trained,
    and the most competent. We should pay them better so will be able
    to compete with every country on earth - including those who seek
    to 'cheat' by not playing fair.

    The current or future manipulation of Chinese currency.

    There are ways to deal with countries that try to create an
    unfair advantage for themselves.

    The build up in the South China sea, which is international waters.

    It is not just the Philippines that is complaining. This could easily
    become a shooting war. Unlike Vietnam, people in the Philippines
    have no place else to go. Do you think they were kidding when they
    told Harry Truman they would go to the hills if he did not grant
    them their own independence after WWII? Did not take Truman long to
    comply. Not long at all.

    The Chinese military completing military exercises in Canada.

    That was miniscule compared to what is going on now in the South
    China Sea.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 09, 2021 01:26:26
    Hello Aaron,

    So... what you're saying is... Trump's talk and behavior had no
    effect on
    people's behavior regarding COVID health guidelines... but... you're
    not
    going to take a vaccine until you find out he has taken one?

    I won't take it until there's one with a 100% survival rate.

    The measles vaccine is the gold standard, having a 97% success rate.
    The two main covid-19 vaccines (pfizer and moderna) have a 94% and 95%
    success rate. The Russian covid-19 vaccine has a 91% success rate,
    which is very high.

    What that means is that no vaccine works with a 100% success rate.
    IOW, for some folks, no vaccine has a 100% success rate. No vaccine
    works for everybody. 91% does not equal 100%. 97% does not equal
    100%. Only 100% = 100%.

    Taking a vaccine that is both safe and effective is your best
    option for surviving the pandemic. Otherwise, you are taking a
    huge gamble with the hooded stranger holding the sickle.

    What do I need it for?

    To keep the hooded stranger holding the sickle away.

    Do democrats want to stop social distancing and mask wearing?

    Sure. Once a real cure is found for covid-19.

    Until then, there is only so much democrats can do to keep the hooded
    stranger holding the sickle away. The rest you have to do yourself.

    Social distancing and mask wearing is convenient.

    Until a vaccine that is safe and effective was found, that is all
    we had. And we still have to continue with those measures until the
    pandemic is over.

    Plus, you'll never know if EVERYONE is vaccinated or not.

    We can have our passports stamped.
    We can have our drivers license stamped.
    Or state-issued identification card.

    Better yet, we can all get injected with an RFID chip.
    Either in your head, or in your hand.
    That way, you'll have a choice.

    When are you gonna feel ready to go into the grocery store and munch a few grapes without rinsing them? Walk right up to the cashier with no mask? We're talking about potentially catching covid, but then
    experiencing milder symptoms. Does that sound fun?

    Better than being dead.
    OTOH, being dead won't make you feel bad at all.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, April 09, 2021 01:26:31
    Hello Jeff,

    Trump said what he said, and his followers heard what they
    heard. If
    heard more or less than anything he said, then that's his fault
    as a
    speaker. If anything, Trump's rant about disinfectants and
    really bri
    lights was confused and incoherent.
    Just lucky for all of us, that we all live within the computer age
    where
    information can be verified with "what exactly" was said.

    Yes, we can. But do we? You and I aren't the ones who drank bleach.

    Trump was telling those who were dying due to covid-19 how to cure
    themselves by using non-prescription remedies that doctors will not
    tell you.

    Not that any sane person had actually drank bleach like soda pop.
    I mean, you are talking about a person who does not drink alcohol,
    tea, or coffee. Although his aides have told the news media that
    he does like diet coke.

    The same is also true with information that is being passed off as the
    truth specially when there is a record via our fingertips that can be
    accessed. This search for the truth provides many things.

    It does. It reveals Trump suggesting that ingesting bleach could be a cure for COVID. Nevermind how mind-numbingly stupid that is on its face, but people actually took it as medical advice from Dear Leader.

    And it worked! Almost instantaneously! Within minutes, they were cured!
    Not only that, but none of them had a recurrence! Isn't that amazing?

    1. It is the moment where one is proven wrong due to the record.

    People ingested bleach as an attempt to cure COVID after Trump suggested that ingesting bleach might be a way to cure COVID.

    And all of them were cured! Each and every one of them!

    2. It provides a potential viewing into the motivation and perhaps GD>the
    very reasoning as to why it was even modified in the first GD>place.

    Trump suggested that ingesting bleach was a way to cure COVID.

    Our president would never lie to us. And we have record it worked.
    So what is your problem? Questioning the word of Dear Leader is not
    nice. I mean, that is akin to calling him a liar! How could you? I
    mean, after all he has done for us, how could you?

    Therefore, I submit that it is the Democrats and Liberals who have
    wishful thinking and they are the ones who have a selective memory or
    wish to hear what they want to hear or remember. This of course is due
    to TDS. in other words.... "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may
    be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they
    cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

    The facts are that there are people who took Trump seriously.

    And for good reason.

    Trump supporters, sure, but people nonetheless.

    And all of them thankful for advice given to them by Dear Leader.

    Those are facts and evidence that you cannot alter.

    "I will never lie to you." ~Jimmy Carter

    "Only the best." ~Jimmy Carter

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 09, 2021 01:26:36
    Hello Aaron,

    I have yet to see any rational argument as to why anyone would choose
    not to receive a vaccine as soon as it is available.

    I see it like this:

    This should be interesting ...

    Democrat president Clinton makes China happy,

    So did Richard M. Nixon.
    And Jimmy Carter.
    And Ronald Reagan.
    And George H.W. Bush.

    Republican president Trump makes China angry,

    No US president makes China angry.

    China responds with biological attack (covid-19,)

    If China could have created the virus known as The Donald
    (version 1) it would have. But since we all know China was
    capable of no such thing, it can only be somebody's wild
    imagination.

    Americans take a 1% chance of dying by taking the vaccine for covid-19,

    Over half a million Americans had died in 2020 as a result
    of covid, with no vaccine being available. Without a vaccine,
    another half a million Americans would have died in 2021.
    With a vaccine in production and available to Americans,
    the number of people who would die due to covid-19 would
    be far less.

    Another Republican defends the USA against China in the future,
    China responds with biological attack #2 (covid-20,)

    Any biological attack against the USA would backfire, since
    no virus recognizes political or georgraphical boundaries.
    So why would any country, including the USA, even think about
    doing such a thing? It would amount to attacking itself.

    Once Again, Americans inject another 1% chance of death for a covid-20 vaccine

    So. Let me get this right. Every time an animal virus crosses
    over and attacks humans, it is always China's fault. The last time
    this happened was in 1918. Only we called it the Spanish Flu then.
    Not the "China Flu" - whatever that is.

    How many 1% chances of death should I play around in my lifetime just because of politics?

    Lemme see. 1% here, 1% there, pretty soon 1% everywhere and
    you're talking real numbers.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 08, 2021 14:25:58
    What is the Biden Administration doing to hold China accountable.
    Covid19 - I believe this was a biological attack on Trump's America, the

    At first, he sounded like he was going to be tough on them but I don't see
    that happening. They're continuing to do us wrong and since taking office he hasn't mentioned anything more about it. I guess it's really up to the squad. Hopefully they don't have sons with their hands in Chinese business too.

    China and the Democrats have something cooking and it don't smell like buffet.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, April 08, 2021 21:50:06
    What is the Biden Administration doing to hold China accountable.

    President Biden is doing what every US President should be doing.

    Covid19 - I believe this was a biological attack on Trump's America, millions of people from other counties who were infected or have died simply got in the way.

    There is no credible evidence supporting your view. But that's okay. Everybody is entitled to his/her own belief.
    The entire story can be found at https://www.msn.com/en-ph/entertainment/celebrity/controversial-documentary-sug gests-covid-19-was-e2-80-98engineered-e2-80-99-for-china-e2-80-99s-world-domina tion/ar-BB12EQ5U

    Every country has diseases, but in China they become national emergencies and global emergencies because the real disease here is communism.

    Philipp also added that the scientists who suggested the lab theory declined
    to be interviewed and avoided questions regarding the virus.

    Shaffer thinks the media such as those In the US have also been influenced by China because they wouldn't discuss subjects that are sensitive to China being responsible for the deaths of thousands.

    In this case there is a lot of things not being said.

    Spalding says that this is because those media companies make a lot of money from China, and if they go against the country’s wishes, then they would suffer great consequences.

    Chinese communist party suppressing speech in the West because these companies make money from China. The CCP is going to punish them if they essentially publish this stuff. There is no other reason.

    Chang thinks that China's influence alone contributed to the spread of the virus.

    Communist Party is maligned and is grossly irresponsible. It has pressured governments to keep their borders open and it had to know that would result the fast spread of coronavirus to other countries.

    Chinese communism is evil.

    Unfair Trade tariffs placed on American Made imports.

    Imposing tariffs on other countries is like shooting yourself
    in the foot, as other countries retaliate by placing tariffs on
    our products. Such 'trade wars' do not do us any good. What we
    need is to pursue a policy of 'fair trade' - not free trade.
    I am not suggesting trade wars, just that they are fair and equal trade.
    They are not you know. The tariffs are much higher for American imports into China than they are for for Chinese imports into America.

    The US has the best work force in the world. The best-trained,
    and the most competent. We should pay them better so will be able
    to compete with every country on earth - including those who seek
    to 'cheat' by not playing fair.

    The current or future manipulation of Chinese currency.

    There are ways to deal with countries that try to create an
    unfair advantage for themselves.

    So what is Biden doing about this, nothing.
    Instead of this he is shaming the state of Georgia about the their new voting laws, getting it all wrong in the process, even slapping on the label of Jim Crow for the total shock and awe effect, of which is nothing more than a Deception.

    More at WSJ website
    https://tinyurl.com/29xwpnnr

    As never again will America have to worry about the Dems cheating in the State of Georgia. Biden has had 50 years to change to voting laws even in his
    home state of Delaware, he hasn't even brought up the subject in all this
    time, but yet again there are the Dems are playing the race card.
    When in reality the list of what you need a picture ID for is nearly endless. So much for unity and bringing the country together, this Jim Crow reference will haunt Biden, and it will be a permanent stain on his so called legacy, as will as the other arsine statements made by the Biden.

    I will even go on record and even suggest that his words spoken by this dusty old buffoon of a President will surely be used against him in any future campaign ads against him. As they will and do currently show, just how out of touch Joe was within his first Presidential term.

    The build up in the South China sea, which is international waters.
    It is not just the Philippines that is complaining. This could easily become a shooting war.
    The American military will obliterate any apposing force that challenges it.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 09, 2021 00:34:02
    On 04-08-21 08:02, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Deaths <=-


    I have yet to see any rational argument as to why anyone would choose
    not to receive a vaccine as soon as it is available.

    I see it like this:

    Democrat president Clinton makes China happy,
    Republican president Trump makes China angry,

    Irrelevant.

    China responds with biological attack (covid-19,)

    States facts not in evidence nor proven.

    Americans take a 1% chance of dying by taking the vaccine for
    covid-19,

    Wrong. It is a 1-2% chance of dying by not taking the vaccine. The
    chance of dying from the vaccine is more like 0.01% or less.

    Another Republican defends the USA against China in the
    future, China responds with biological attack #2 (covid-20,)

    Sorry, 2020 is already gone.

    Once Again, Americans inject another 1% chance of death for a covid-20 vaccine
    How many 1% chances of death should I play around in my lifetime just because of politics?

    Depends on how many chances of death you are willing to pay just because
    of your ignoring scientific evidence.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Thursday, April 08, 2021 20:50:59
    leftists -- 10 are Trumpster idiots who decide to drink bleach, 50 are

    This message is actually to Jeff Thiele: Jeff, nobody's drinking bleach.
    That's a liberal fantasy involving violence against the opposing party.

    "Oh but somebody really drank bleach!" <- Right, let's impeach Trump for that.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, April 08, 2021 20:53:54
    The measles vaccine is the gold standard, having a 97% success rate.
    The two main covid-19 vaccines (pfizer and moderna) have a 94% and 95% success rate. The Russian covid-19 vaccine has a 91% success rate,
    which is very high.

    Let's see how many more virii the Chinese military's bioweapons dept can come up with first before taking vaccines. I don't want to drive to Walgreens twice in one day.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, April 08, 2021 21:01:24
    So. Let me get this right. Every time an animal virus crosses
    over and attacks humans, it is always China's fault. The last time
    this happened was in 1918. Only we called it the Spanish Flu then.
    Not the "China Flu" - whatever that is.

    Covid-19 wasn't an accident. You're defending China like it's your homeland. They hurt themselves little. Did Xi Ping ever catch covid? Nope! How about the other elites in China? Any covid for them?

    Any Democrats in the USA catch covid? Not really!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Friday, April 09, 2021 03:19:04
    How many 1% chances of death should I play around in my lifetime
    just DS> AT> because of politics?

    Depends on how many chances of death you are willing to pay just because of your ignoring scientific evidence.

    We can't take a vaccine every time the Chinese govt gets angry. They're gonna start tricking us into taking something that will kill us faster than what
    it's intended for.

    I don't trust Chinese virii or Donald J Trump vaccines. That's all. Now how
    can my employer adapt the work environment to my special needs? I'll need him to fix the chimney and floors for sure before I set food in that unsafe work environment.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 09, 2021 08:47:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    At first, he sounded like he was going to be tough on them but I don't
    see that happening. They're continuing to do us wrong and since taking office he hasn't mentioned anything more about it. I guess it's really
    up to the squad. Hopefully they don't have sons with their hands in Chinese business too.

    All Democrats do is talk. Their track record on International Relations
    is very poor.

    China and the Democrats have something cooking and it don't smell like buffet.

    Anything the Democrats cook up usually smells like California.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, April 09, 2021 08:52:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Communist Party is maligned and is grossly irresponsible.

    Every communist party is. It's due to a combination of complete incompetance and an inability to recognize it.

    We see it in companies all the time. Management who think that because they have the power to make a decision also means that they are competant to
    make that decision without input from anyone else.

    Chinese communism is evil.

    All communism is evil. Communism ALWAYS devolves into totalitarianism.

    I will even go on record and even suggest that his words spoken by this dusty old buffoon of a President will surely be used against him in any future campaign ads against him. As they will and do currently show,
    just how out of touch Joe was within his first Presidential term.

    "...Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."

    The American military will obliterate any apposing force that
    challenges it.

    Because of the woke-ness pervading even the military, I fear that might
    not be the case.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 09, 2021 08:55:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Covid-19 wasn't an accident. You're defending China like it's your homeland.

    Probably not his homeland. But the model society in his limited mind.

    They hurt themselves little. Did Xi Ping ever catch covid?
    Nope! How about the other elites in China? Any covid for them?

    Any Democrats in the USA catch covid? Not really!

    That's mostly because COVID isn't a problem for the vast majority of the population. The fear of COVID is greatly overrated - mostly because of the fear mongering of the "press" (if you can call it that), the chinese-controlled WHO, the leftie-controlled CDC and stooges like Fauci.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 09, 2021 08:28:23
    On 08 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Nope, but if people could attribute their deaths to Trump's "bad pandemic response, then they'd sue him for it, or sue the govern haven't heard any such complaints ever.

    No one's going to sue him, but he'll go down in history with that albatross around his neck.

    Can't successfully sue somebody when the claim is fake.

    That's not how it works. You don't need lawsuits to know that Trump's
    pandemic response was incompetent at best.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Friday, April 09, 2021 16:30:21
    Hello Mike,

    The ratio of people talking about something vs. the number of people doing
    something is meaningless.

    The number of people doing something because they think they were told to vs. the number of people who also misunderstood and claim that people were told to do something is relevant.

    Joe Biden *claimed* that Donald Trump recommended people ingest bleach
    as a cure for covid-19. However, that claim is mostly false, given the evidence. And yet, most people tend to think it was true, since Trump
    had made the comments on live television, and talked about et al ad
    nauseum on various news sites.

    If you have 200 people who hear the same thing, 100 "Trumpsters" and 100 leftists -- 10 are Trumpster idiots who decide to drink bleach, 50 are lefty
    idiots who swear up and down that we were told to drink bleach, and the other
    90 "Trumpsters" and 50 lefties didn't drink it and didn't think they were told to, then you have a pretty good idea of which group has the most people
    with comprehension issues.

    Did Trump actually recommend people to ingest bleach and/or inject
    sunlight? No. Not exactly. But since it was talked about, and joked
    about, and politicians deliberately misleading others to think he
    did, many people thought it was a true story.

    It is good for you that you are not a "Trumpster" because I now have little
    doubt that you'd have drank or injected bleach.

    Folks in Europe and Australia also thought Trump said what Biden
    and others claimed. Not sure if they were listening to CNN, MSNBC,
    Fox News, or comedians or late night shows. But one thing is for
    sure. Donald Trump had them all fooled. Or maybe it was Biden, as
    he won the election.

    --Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 09, 2021 08:37:38
    On 08 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I find it ironic that my prediction is Democrats preventing futu outbreaks when it's their liberal policies that led to this outb

    In what way do you feel that Democrat policies led to this outbreak? happened 100% on Trump's watch.

    Trump pulled us out of Clinton's Pacific Trade Deal and sanctioned China so they would have to buy more American goods. They don't like to be disrespected like that, and they retaliated. Their policies combined
    with Trump's policies led to this.

    Sorry, you lost me. Whose policies combined with Trump's led to the pandemic?

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, April 09, 2021 08:41:46
    On 08 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    The ratio of people talking about something vs. the number of people doi something is meaningless.
    The number of people doing something because they think they were told to vs. the number of people who also misunderstood and claim that people
    were told to do something is relevant.

    If you have 200 people who hear the same thing, 100 "Trumpsters" and 100 leftists -- 10 are Trumpster idiots who decide to drink bleach, 50 are lefty idiots who swear up and down that we were told to drink bleach,
    and the other 90 "Trumpsters" and 50 lefties didn't drink it and didn't think they were told to, then you have a pretty good idea of which group has the most people with comprehension issues.

    Just the 10 Trumpers (5% of the total 200) who drank it are enough to make an argument that Trump's words were sufficiently ambiguous to be interpreted as
    a suggestion to drink bleach.

    It is good for you that you are not a "Trumpster" because I now have little doubt that you'd have drank or injected bleach.

    Certainly not. However, there are fringe medical beliefs that drinking doses
    of bleach cures autism, so there's a ready audience for the suggestion.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, April 09, 2021 08:47:56
    On 09 Apr 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    Trump was telling those who were dying due to covid-19 how to cure themselves by using non-prescription remedies that doctors will not
    tell you.

    Not that any sane person had actually drank bleach like soda pop.
    I mean, you are talking about a person who does not drink alcohol,
    tea, or coffee. Although his aides have told the news media that
    he does like diet coke.

    He does like his hydroxychloroquine, too. And the bleach incident was after he'd touted hydroxychloroquine as a miracle drug only to be shot down by doctors, so some Trumpers would probably drink bleach just to "own the libs."

    It does. It reveals Trump suggesting that ingesting bleach could be a for COVID. Nevermind how mind-numbingly stupid that is on its face, b people actually took it as medical advice from Dear Leader.

    And it worked! Almost instantaneously! Within minutes, they were cured! Not only that, but none of them had a recurrence! Isn't that amazing?

    I don't know how many of them survived vs. didn't, but I'm pretty sure if
    they did survive that was worthy of a hospital stay.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, April 09, 2021 10:42:00
    leftists -- 10 are Trumpster idiots who decide to drink bleach, 50 are

    This message is actually to Jeff Thiele: Jeff, nobody's drinking bleach. That's a liberal fantasy involving violence against the opposing party.

    "Oh but somebody really drank bleach!" <- Right, let's impeach Trump for that.

    I remember hearing about *one* couple did that. I have heard of many more people claiming he said to drink or inject it. If anyone heard that, made
    the mistake of thinking he was telling them to do so, and then did so, I
    figure it is Darwinism at work.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 09, 2021 11:02:31
    On 08 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    This message is actually to Jeff Thiele: Jeff, nobody's drinking bleach. That's a liberal fantasy involving violence against the opposing party.

    Poison Control Centers would disagree. There was a considerable spike in detergent poisonings in the days after Trump said that.

    "Oh but somebody really drank bleach!" <- Right, let's impeach Trump for that.

    Obviously, he wasn't impeached for that. That doesn't mean it wasn't reckless and irresponsible.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:45:00
    If you have 200 people who hear the same thing, 100 "Trumpsters" and 100 leftists -- 10 are Trumpster idiots who decide to drink bleach, 50 are lefty idiots who swear up and down that we were told to drink bleach, and the other 90 "Trumpsters" and 50 lefties didn't drink it and didn't think they were told to, then you have a pretty good idea of which group has the most people with comprehension issues.

    Just the 10 Trumpers (5% of the total 200) who drank it are enough to make an argument that Trump's words were sufficiently ambiguous to be interpreted as a suggestion to drink bleach.

    I only heard of one couple doing it, 2 people.

    It is good for you that you are not a "Trumpster" because I now have little doubt that you'd have drank or injected bleach.

    Certainly not. However, there are fringe medical beliefs that drinking doses of bleach cures autism, so there's a ready audience for the suggestion.

    Your convinced he said it so, based on your beliefs about Trumpsters, I am certain you would have.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON LAUZON on Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:49:00
    Chinese communism is evil.

    All communism is evil. Communism ALWAYS devolves into totalitarianism.

    And it usually doesn't take long to devolve.

    The American military will obliterate any apposing force that
    challenges it.

    Because of the woke-ness pervading even the military, I fear that might
    not be the case.

    +1. I still believe many of our fighting men and women are ready but I
    don't think their leadership is.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON LAUZON on Saturday, April 10, 2021 11:49:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Covid-19 wasn't an accident. You're defending China like it's your homeland.

    Probably not his homeland. But the model society in his limited mind.

    No doubt.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, April 10, 2021 14:29:26
    On 10 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Just the 10 Trumpers (5% of the total 200) who drank it are enough to ma argument that Trump's words were sufficiently ambiguous to be interprete a suggestion to drink bleach.

    I only heard of one couple doing it, 2 people.

    Poison Control Centers reported a lot more than two.

    Your convinced he said it so, based on your beliefs about Trumpsters, I
    am certain you would have.

    I never said all Trumpsters drank bleach, only that all those who drank
    bleach were Trumpers. There is a significant difference between those two statements and you're obviously trying to twist my words.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, April 09, 2021 23:02:37
    Any Democrats in the USA catch covid? Not really!

    That's mostly because COVID isn't a problem for the vast majority of the population. The fear of COVID is greatly overrated - mostly because of

    Forbes says "45 house Republicans and 21 house Democrats have had covid."

    Republicans are being disproportionately affected by the virus. They should be given priority in the vaccines since they are the ones who expedited vaccine development, despite Joe's claim that he "made the case numbers come down."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, April 09, 2021 23:21:05
    Can't successfully sue somebody when the claim is fake.

    That's not how it works. You don't need lawsuits to know that Trump's pandemic response was incompetent at best.

    I'm grateful that Trump protected me during the pandemic and kept me updated since day 1. I appreciate him not hiding in the closet of the oval office for months during the pandemic. I appreciate Trump for not amplifying undocumented migration during the pandemic. I appreciate Mike Pence for not crying about floors that Joe Biden's family put scuff marks on, during the pandemic. I appreciate Mike Pence visiting the border regularly and not being a cackler.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, April 09, 2021 23:22:58
    Trump pulled us out of Clinton's Pacific Trade Deal and sanctioned Ch so they would have to buy more American goods. They don't like to be disrespected like that, and they retaliated. Their policies combined with Trump's policies led to this.

    Sorry, you lost me. Whose policies combined with Trump's led to the pandemic?

    The name is right there in your quote!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, April 09, 2021 23:26:08
    This message is actually to Jeff Thiele: Jeff, nobody's drinking blea That's a liberal fantasy involving violence against the opposing part

    Poison Control Centers would disagree. There was a considerable spike in detergent poisonings in the days after Trump said that.

    How many of them said they did it because Trump said to do it?

    There was a significant spike in undocumented immigrants carrying covid into the united states under Joe's new policy reversals. But that's ok because we have an asylum policy and liberals love that asylum policy a lot even though
    it has contributed to the largest mass-kidnapping of the decade.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 10, 2021 19:08:43
    On 09 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I'm grateful that Trump protected me during the pandemic and kept me updated since day 1. I appreciate him not hiding in the closet of the
    oval office for months during the pandemic. I appreciate Trump for not amplifying undocumented migration during the pandemic. I appreciate Mike Pence for not crying about floors that Joe Biden's family put scuff
    marks on, during the pandemic. I appreciate Mike Pence visiting the
    border regularly and not being a cackler.

    Despite inconsequential minutae such as those you have chosen to focus on, Trump's pandemic response was abysmal. And more information about just how abysmal it was is being revealed almost daily.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 10, 2021 19:09:47
    On 09 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Trump pulled us out of Clinton's Pacific Trade Deal and sanction so they would have to buy more American goods. They don't like t disrespected like that, and they retaliated. Their policies comb with Trump's policies led to this.

    Sorry, you lost me. Whose policies combined with Trump's led to the pandemic?

    So you're saying it was a combination of Trump and Clinton policies? So
    Clinton made it bad and Trump made it worse?

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 10, 2021 19:12:19
    On 09 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    This message is actually to Jeff Thiele: Jeff, nobody's drinking That's a liberal fantasy involving violence against the opposing

    Poison Control Centers would disagree. There was a considerable spike detergent poisonings in the days after Trump said that.

    How many of them said they did it because Trump said to do it?

    I don't know how many explicitly credited Trump with their vaccine of choice, but the timing would indicate that quite a few did it in response to Trump's suggestion.

    There was a significant spike in undocumented immigrants carrying covid into the united states under Joe's new policy reversals. But that's ok because we have an asylum policy and liberals love that asylum policy a lot even though it has contributed to the largest mass-kidnapping of the decade.

    You are severely confusing cause and effect.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 11, 2021 00:29:00
    On 04-09-21 23:02, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Ron Lauzon about Re: Deaths <=-

    Forbes says "45 house Republicans and 21 house Democrats have had
    covid."
    Republicans are being disproportionately affected by the virus. They

    That is not much of a surprise given the actions of the two groups when
    it comes to practicing proper mitigation practices, attending mass
    spreader events sponsored by Trump and otherwise simply not giving
    proper credit to the science.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, April 10, 2021 23:33:05
    marks on, during the pandemic. I appreciate Mike Pence visiting the border regularly and not being a cackler.

    Despite inconsequential minutae such as those you have chosen to focus
    on, Trump's pandemic response was abysmal. And more information about
    just how abysmal it was is being revealed almost daily.

    It's not being revealed by you.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, April 10, 2021 23:33:53
    So you're saying it was a combination of Trump and Clinton policies? So Clinton made it bad and Trump made it worse?

    Yes.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, April 10, 2021 23:36:00
    I don't know how many explicitly credited Trump with their vaccine of choice, but the timing would indicate that quite a few did it in
    response to Trump's suggestion.

    Timing is just a tool for the media. When you want to push a narrative that came from someone's butthole, it's now easier than ever to find an article that reflects your fake narrative:

    Example:

    Joe Biden is a fentanyl addict. There have been an uptick in fentanyl busts in DC since Joe took office in January.

    https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2020/01/14/dc-man-pleads-guilty-heroin-and-f ntanyl-trafficking-and-firearms-charges

    It's why he's always sleeping.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 11, 2021 16:52:40
    Hello Aaron,

    Can't successfully sue somebody when the claim is fake.

    That's not how it works. You don't need lawsuits to know that Trump's
    pandemic response was incompetent at best.

    I'm grateful that Trump protected me during the pandemic and kept me updated
    since day 1.

    500,000+ dead in a year. Good thing we did not give him another year.
    Or god forbid another four years. Who knows what the number of dead
    would have been had he remained our commander-in-chief? With his
    record, he would have driven us all into the ground (literally).
    With nobody left to plant a marker in the graveyard honoring our
    names.

    --Lee

    --
    Hey hey! Ho ho! Donald Trump has got to go!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, April 11, 2021 16:52:45
    Hello Dale,

    Forbes says "45 house Republicans and 21 house Democrats have had
    covid."
    Republicans are being disproportionately affected by the virus. They

    That is not much of a surprise given the actions of the two groups when
    it comes to practicing proper mitigation practices, attending mass spreader events sponsored by Trump and otherwise simply not giving
    proper credit to the science.

    As well as getting to church on time. Never forget that.
    Pat Robertson (yes, he is still alive) will never forgive
    you if you did.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 11, 2021 16:52:50
    Hello Jeff,

    I'm grateful that Trump protected me during the pandemic and kept me
    updated since day 1. I appreciate him not hiding in the closet of the
    oval office for months during the pandemic. I appreciate Trump for
    not
    amplifying undocumented migration during the pandemic. I appreciate
    Mike
    Pence for not crying about floors that Joe Biden's family put scuff
    marks on, during the pandemic. I appreciate Mike Pence visiting the
    border regularly and not being a cackler.

    Despite inconsequential minutae such as those you have chosen to focus on, Trump's pandemic response was abysmal. And more information about just how abysmal it was is being revealed almost daily.

    It is obvious you did not take your medicine (bleach and sunlight).
    So please. Take it. While you still can.

    As you know, masks do no good as people refuse to wear them.
    As you know, social distancing does no good, as people love to
    socialize with other people. As much as thay can. Without masks.
    As you know, vaccines do no good as people refuse to get inoculated.
    Even with vaccines being free and available for all, they do no
    good if nobody takes them. So what have we got left? Bleach and
    sunlight.

    Donald Trump is as he claims - a stable genius.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 11, 2021 16:52:56
    Hello Jeff,

    This message is actually to Jeff Thiele: Jeff, nobody's
    drinking
    That's a liberal fantasy involving violence against the
    opposing

    Poison Control Centers would disagree. There was a considerable
    spike
    detergent poisonings in the days after Trump said that.

    How many of them said they did it because Trump said to do it?

    I don't know how many explicitly credited Trump with their vaccine of choice,
    but the timing would indicate that quite a few did it in response to Trump's
    suggestion.

    Technically, Trump did no such thing. However, many people thought
    he did, or at least allude to it. As a result, several people took him
    at his word and followed their dear leader as to what they thought
    he said (or implied).

    There was a significant spike in undocumented immigrants carrying covid
    into the united states under Joe's new policy reversals. But that's ok
    because we have an asylum policy and liberals love that asylum policy a
    lot even though it has contributed to the largest mass-kidnapping of
    the decade.

    You are severely confusing cause and effect.

    The word pandemic means everywhere. Not just in the USA.
    People around the world are infected. Not just in the USA.
    No immigration policy is going to keep folks outside any
    country. People travel. Other people get sick. That is
    what happens in any pandemic.

    Trump's vaccine of choice (bleach and sunlight) was taken by
    some people, including folks outside the USA. How many survived
    is unknown.

    There was nothing confusing about anything Trump said, or claimed.
    I watched him live on television. I read a transcript of everything
    he said. And we all know the effect. Those who survived.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, April 11, 2021 05:15:40
    That is not much of a surprise given the actions of the two groups when
    it comes to practicing proper mitigation practices, attending mass spreader events sponsored by Trump and otherwise simply not giving
    proper credit to the science.

    Both parties have had super spreader events. Let's give credit to those who destroyed all those businesses last summer aka 'Joe's friends'. It wasn't PC for Trump followers to promote super-spreaders but for Joe & Kamala it was fine. Kamala rewarded super-spreaders by bailing them out of jail, conflicting with local law enforcement's effort to bring them to justice. That's a lowsy low level for even a Democrat to stoop to. Then I suppose the thing with the kidnapping kids is for votes too? That's why Kamala thinks this is a cackling matter?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 11, 2021 12:57:25
    On 10 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Despite inconsequential minutae such as those you have chosen to focu on, Trump's pandemic response was abysmal. And more information about just how abysmal it was is being revealed almost daily.

    It's not being revealed by you.

    Nope, that's not my job.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 11, 2021 13:06:10
    On 10 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    So you're saying it was a combination of Trump and Clinton policies? Clinton made it bad and Trump made it worse?
    Yes.

    So policies from the 90s resulted in a mismanaged pandemic in 2020? Somehow I find that really hard to believe, especially given that there have been much better-managed pandemics in the interim.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 11, 2021 13:09:57
    On 10 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I don't know how many explicitly credited Trump with their vaccine of choice, but the timing would indicate that quite a few did it in response to Trump's suggestion.

    Timing is just a tool for the media. When you want to push a narrative that came from someone's butthole, it's now easier than ever to find an article that reflects your fake narrative:

    Timing is timing. If you think the media can control time, I think you may
    need professional help.

    Example:

    Joe Biden is a fentanyl addict. There have been an uptick in fentanyl busts in DC since Joe took office in January.

    That's not even close to the same. If Biden had suggested in public that fentanyl cures COVID, you might have a point, but as it is, your argument is basically that since some DCers have a fentanyl problem then all DCers must have a fentanyl problem.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Mike Powell on Sunday, April 11, 2021 14:15:00
    Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

    Because of the woke-ness pervading even the military, I fear that might
    not be the case.

    +1. I still believe many of our fighting men and women are ready but
    I don't think their leadership is.

    That's where the "wokeness" starts. "Leadership" positions start being
    given based on a favor instead of merit.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 11, 2021 14:24:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Forbes says "45 house Republicans and 21 house Democrats have had
    covid."

    Republicans are being disproportionately affected by the virus. They should be given priority in the vaccines since they are the ones who expedited vaccine development, despite Joe's claim that he "made the
    case numbers come down."

    Seems like systematic discrimination against Republicans to me. Joe
    needs to do something about that. 8)



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 12, 2021 01:34:00
    On 04-11-21 05:15, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Deaths <=-

    That is not much of a surprise given the actions of the two groups when
    it comes to practicing proper mitigation practices, attending mass spreader events sponsored by Trump and otherwise simply not giving
    proper credit to the science.

    Both parties have had super spreader events.

    I've seen nothing sponsored by Biden that compares to the Trump rallies.
    Biden did social distancing and virtual townhalls.

    Let's give credit to
    those who destroyed all those businesses last summer aka 'Joe's
    friends'.

    Who are you talking about? And why are you calling them "Joe's friends"?

    It wasn't PC for Trump followers to promote super-spreaders
    but for Joe & Kamala it was fine.

    They did not do that. Trump ridiculed them for not having rallies, and
    for wearing masks.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, April 12, 2021 14:49:00
    That is not much of a surprise given the actions of the two groups when it comes to practicing proper mitigation practices, attending mass spreader events sponsored by Trump and otherwise simply not giving proper credit to the science.

    Both parties have had super spreader events. Let's give credit to those who destroyed all those businesses last summer aka 'Joe's friends'. It wasn't PC for Trump followers to promote super-spreaders but for Joe & Kamala it was fine.

    But you forget, the virus does not spread at "peaceful protest" riot gatherings. Lefty science has proven this to be a fact. It only spreads
    in groups getting together for holidays, other family gatherings, concerts, bars, Trump rallies, and ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY non-chain mom-and-pop businesses.

    Getting together in large groups to yell, scream, spit on cops, and bust
    out windows doesn't spread COVID at all. Shame on you for not following science!


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Monday, April 12, 2021 12:00:29
    Both parties have had super spreader events.

    I've seen nothing sponsored by Biden that compares to the Trump rallies. Biden did social distancing and virtual townhalls.

    That's because you have a different brand of brainwashing from me. Biden's "friends" are the black lives matter terrorists. They didn't socially distance or wear masks (much) while protesting against Trump/White Supremacy all summer.

    After they got done destroying and looting, they told Biden that they elected him and that he owes them now. That's Biden-sponsored super-spreading if I ever saw it. Plus black people are higher risk than whites when it comes to covid. Biden exploited the crap outo of them and he totally owes them.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 12, 2021 15:53:21
    On 12 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    That's because you have a different brand of brainwashing from me.
    Biden's "friends" are the black lives matter terrorists. They didn't socially distance or wear masks (much) while protesting against Trump/White Supremacy all summer.

    That was their choice to make. Biden did not invite them like Trump invited people to his rallies.

    After they got done destroying and looting, they told Biden that they elected him and that he owes them now. That's Biden-sponsored super-spreading if I ever saw it. Plus black people are higher risk than whites when it comes to covid. Biden exploited the crap outo of them and he totally owes them.

    Again, Biden did not instruct them to do this, nor did he "suggest" anything
    of the sort.

    Politics in the US is very much quid-pro-quo, but we don't like to say that part out loud because when we do, it sounds an awful lot like bribery. Political donors expect a return on their investment if their candidate is elected, although many corporations hedge their bets by donating to both parties. They have reason to expect that in exchange for campaign cash, their interests will be protected. The only difference with BLM is that their currency of choice is activism, not cash. Why should they not expect their interests to be protected when they worked to get Biden elected? Although you're trying (unsuccessfully) to infer some kind of improper relationship between BLM and Biden, this form of quid-pro-quo also sounds a lot less like bribery than what the corporations do every election cycle.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Monday, April 12, 2021 15:39:11
    Getting together in large groups to yell, scream, spit on cops, and bust out windows doesn't spread COVID at all. Shame on you for not following science!

    The laws of science don't apply to Joe Biden supporters, but the media is currently pressing the "happy with president" button.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, April 12, 2021 18:35:33
    That was their choice to make. Biden did not invite them like Trump invited people to his rallies.

    That's a bogus defense. Are you even serious? A different type of invitation makes any difference? Biden's minions and Trump's rally attendees are both potential super spreaders.

    Trump "invited" people to his rallies simply by assemblying rallies.

    Biden "invited" people to create chaos, destroy businesses, and attack police officers. They did it in large crowds all over the USA. The media's images don't show many attendees wearing masks or social distancing. When cops
    managed to arrest these people, Kamala Harris bailed them out.

    Did a Republican do something terrible to you when you were a kid? Now you're defending everything Democrats do even when it's contradictory to what you say about Republicans?

    Your people are super spreaders, and so are mine. Mine are done though - and yours are still at it in NYC.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 12, 2021 19:43:07
    On 12 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    That was their choice to make. Biden did not invite them like Trump invited people to his rallies.

    That's a bogus defense. Are you even serious? A different type of invitation makes any difference? Biden's minions and Trump's rally attendees are both potential super spreaders.

    Biden did not issue any invitation.

    Trump "invited" people to his rallies simply by assemblying rallies.

    Yes, Trump organized and promoted them.

    Biden "invited" people to create chaos, destroy businesses, and attack police officers. They did it in large crowds all over the USA. The
    media's images don't show many attendees wearing masks or social distancing. When cops managed to arrest these people, Kamala Harris
    bailed them out.

    No, he didn't. And no, she didn't.

    Did a Republican do something terrible to you when you were a kid? Now you're defending everything Democrats do even when it's contradictory to what you say about Republicans?

    It's not contradictory at all. You're trying to make up nonsense to assuage your guilt over the actions of your own party.

    Your people are super spreaders, and so are mine. Mine are done though - and yours are still at it in NYC.

    Hardly. Conservatives everywhere have been very loath to wear masks and
    social distance, largely because of Trump's rhetoric.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, April 12, 2021 22:27:22
    Your people are super spreaders, and so are mine. Mine are done thoug and yours are still at it in NYC.

    Hardly. Conservatives everywhere have been very loath to wear masks and social distance, largely because of Trump's rhetoric.

    "Because of Trump's rhetoric." <- That's assuming a lot. Conservatives don't have minds of their own, so they only do what Trump told them to do a year ago?

    Did you ask them if they aren't wearing masks due to Trump's rhetoric?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 13, 2021 09:21:28
    On 12 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Your people are super spreaders, and so are mine. Mine are done and yours are still at it in NYC.

    Hardly. Conservatives everywhere have been very loath to wear masks a social distance, largely because of Trump's rhetoric.

    "Because of Trump's rhetoric." <- That's assuming a lot. Conservatives don't have minds of their own, so they only do what Trump told them to
    do a year ago?

    In large part, yes. Trump made masks and social distancing a political issue, and many conservatives continue to see it as a political issue.

    Did you ask them if they aren't wearing masks due to Trump's rhetoric?

    It's pretty obvious from what they say. If they treat it as a political
    issue, then that's traceable back to Trump.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, April 13, 2021 18:03:00
    That's because you have a different brand of brainwashing from me. Biden's "friends" are the black lives matter terrorists. They didn't socially distance
    or wear masks (much) while protesting against Trump/White Supremacy all summer

    Chin diaper masks don't count, either.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 14, 2021 00:14:00
    On 04-12-21 12:00, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Deaths <=-


    Both parties have had super spreader events.

    I've seen nothing sponsored by Biden that compares to the Trump rallies. Biden did social distancing and virtual townhalls.

    That's because you have a different brand of brainwashing from me.

    I am not brainwashed by anyone. Sorry that you admit to being
    brainwashed. You can cure that by looking at various news sources and collecting and comparing facts to make your own decisions.

    Biden's "friends" are the black lives matter terrorists.

    Biden is no friend of terrorists of any color. He has announced that
    those who riot and loot should be caught and brought to justice.

    They didn't
    socially distance or wear masks (much) while protesting against Trump/White Supremacy all summer.

    In strong contrast to the people at the Trump rallies and other events,
    the BLM protesters were mostly wearing masks and were outside. They
    were not packed shoulder to shoulder as at the Trump events.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, April 14, 2021 08:19:01
    In large part, yes. Trump made masks and social distancing a political issue, and many conservatives continue to see it as a political issue.

    Did you ask them if they aren't wearing masks due to Trump's rhetoric

    It's pretty obvious from what they say. If they treat it as a political issue, then that's traceable back to Trump.

    It's not obvious. I've never met a person who doesn't wear a mask. And if I
    did meet such a person, I think it would be idiotic for me to say "You aint wearing a mask because of political reasons and therefore because of Trump!"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, April 14, 2021 08:43:38
    Biden's "friends" are the black lives matter terrorists.

    Biden is no friend of terrorists of any color. He has announced that those who riot and loot should be caught and brought to justice.

    Why? So Kamala can bail them out of jail again? He says stuff, but means other stuff.

    In strong contrast to the people at the Trump rallies and other events, the BLM protesters were mostly wearing masks and were outside. They
    were not packed shoulder to shoulder as at the Trump events.

    "mostly" is a joke. You're decorating the story with a biased theme.

    You're saying "My protesters are more covid-conscientious than your Trump rally-goers are."

    Your protesters *were* actually packed shoulder to shoulder similar to the way the Trump people were. Some wear masks, some don't, your camera sees the Trump protesters not wearing masks and my camera sees the Biden supporters not wearing masks.

    Everyone in Manhattan is shoulder-to-shoulder on a normal day. A Biden-sponsored protest group makes it even worse.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 14, 2021 17:06:23
    On 14 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    In large part, yes. Trump made masks and social distancing a politica issue, and many conservatives continue to see it as a political issue

    Did you ask them if they aren't wearing masks due to Trump's rhe

    It's pretty obvious from what they say. If they treat it as a politic issue, then that's traceable back to Trump.

    It's not obvious. I've never met a person who doesn't wear a mask. And
    if I did meet such a person, I think it would be idiotic for me to say "You aint wearing a mask because of political reasons and therefore because of Trump!"

    You wouldn't have to. All you'd have to do is question why they're not
    wearing a mask and they'd let you know.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 14, 2021 17:17:22
    On 14 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Everyone in Manhattan is shoulder-to-shoulder on a normal day. A Biden-sponsored protest group makes it even worse.

    Where is your proof that the BLM protests were Biden-sponsored? The "you owe us" quote proves no such thing, btw.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, April 14, 2021 21:36:57
    if I did meet such a person, I think it would be idiotic for me to sa "You aint wearing a mask because of political reasons and therefore because of Trump!"

    You wouldn't have to. All you'd have to do is question why they're not wearing a mask and they'd let you know.

    Yea right Jeff - like they're gonna be saying "I ain't wearing a mask because Trump said not to!"

    You seem to think that all of America is like that because some convenient statistic collector said "there was an uptick in bleach poisoinings.."

    Some dude from CNN admitted that "the network brainwashed Jeff, Lee, Al, and probably Dale too."

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-staffer-networks-trump-office-coverage-propag nda

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 14, 2021 22:49:55
    On 14 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    if I did meet such a person, I think it would be idiotic for me "You aint wearing a mask because of political reasons and theref because of Trump!"

    You wouldn't have to. All you'd have to do is question why they're no wearing a mask and they'd let you know.

    Yea right Jeff - like they're gonna be saying "I ain't wearing a mask because Trump said not to!"

    They may very well reveal a political reason for not wearing a mask, though
    -- and that can be traced back to Trump.

    You seem to think that all of America is like that because some
    convenient statistic collector said "there was an uptick in bleach poisoinings.."

    It is possible to track the spread of ideas through a populace... it's almost like a shibboleth.

    Some dude from CNN admitted that "the network brainwashed Jeff, Lee, Al, and probably Dale too."

    Mmm-hmm, right. Fox News brainwashes its own viewers.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, April 15, 2021 00:33:00
    On 04-14-21 08:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Deaths <=-

    In strong contrast to the people at the Trump rallies and other events, the BLM protesters were mostly wearing masks and were outside. They
    were not packed shoulder to shoulder as at the Trump events.

    "mostly" is a joke. You're decorating the story with a biased theme.

    Not decorating the story at all. Reporting what I saw. Mostly = 90%
    wore masks.

    You're saying "My protesters are more covid-conscientious than your
    Trump rally-goers are."

    By George, I think you have got it.

    Your protesters *were* actually packed shoulder to shoulder similar to
    the way the Trump people were. Some wear masks, some don't, your camera sees the Trump protesters not wearing masks and my camera sees the
    Biden supporters not wearing masks.

    At the Trump rallies and events, less than 10% wore masks. At the BLM
    type of protests, 90% wore masks. And the Trump rallies and events were
    more tightly packed.

    Everyone in Manhattan is shoulder-to-shoulder on a normal day. A Biden-sponsored protest group makes it even worse.

    They should not be shoulder to shoulder in the present environment. I
    cannot say that I have any observation to say what is really going on in Manhattan on a typical day.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, April 15, 2021 08:19:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Yea right Jeff - like they're gonna be saying "I ain't wearing a mask because Trump said not to!"

    Leftie ALWAYS project.

    Since they blindly do whatever their leaders tell them, they assume that everyone else does the same.

    They cannot comprehend someone making an intelligent decision for themselves because they are not capable of doing that for themselves.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, April 15, 2021 20:47:19
    HelloAaron,

    if I did meet such a person, I think it would be idiotic for me
    to sa
    "You aint wearing a mask because of political reasons and
    therefore
    because of Trump!"

    You wouldn't have to. All you'd have to do is question why they're
    not
    wearing a mask and they'd let you know.

    Yea right Jeff - like they're gonna be saying "I ain't wearing a mask because Trump said not to!"

    Most folks who refuse to wear a mask do so for very selfish reasons,
    knowing full well they are putting other people's lives at risk. As
    well as their own.

    You seem to think that all of America is like that because some convenient statistic collector said "there was an uptick in bleach poisoinings.."

    Trump handled the pandemic badly. That is an understatement, as I am
    playing nice.

    Some dude from CNN admitted that "the network brainwashed Jeff, Lee, Al, and
    probably Dale too."

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-staffer-networks-trump-office- coverage-propagnda

    Wow. I'm famous.
    What should we do now?
    Call ourselves the gang of four?

    --Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thursday, April 15, 2021 13:31:00
    It's pretty obvious from what they say. If they treat it as a political issue, then that's traceable back to Trump.

    It's not obvious. I've never met a person who doesn't wear a mask. And if I did meet such a person, I think it would be idiotic for me to say "You aint wearing a mask because of political reasons and therefore because of Trump!"

    My Dad hates wearing a mask, and hates Trump. He will wear one in public,
    but not around extended family members who would prefer that he did.

    I have not been around him much since the election, though. If Biden told
    him to wear one, I am sure it'd make a difference. Back in the day, any suggestion that Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton had was gold, so I assume
    Biden is covered, too.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thursday, April 15, 2021 14:08:00
    Some dude from CNN admitted that "the network brainwashed Jeff, Lee, Al, and probably Dale too."

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-staffer-networks-trump-office-coverage-propa
    nda

    One of the cable talk show hosts has also admitted that she was
    soft-balling Kamala and anyone else who was related to the Biden campaign. Well, duh.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:27:10
    Since they blindly do whatever their leaders tell them, they assume that everyone else does the same.

    Conservartives probably do it too to an extent, but these leftists are following the media as their leader.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, April 15, 2021 21:23:44
    Most folks who refuse to wear a mask do so for very selfish reasons,

    "Most" isn't an accurate word. Why do "most" people in restaurants not wear masks? To be selfish? Or to eat food?

    If someone aint wearing a mask, it's our responsibility to be the bigger man and to give them more space and/or get away from them.
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Thursday, April 15, 2021 21:36:07
    I have not been around him much since the election, though. If Biden
    told him to wear one, I am sure it'd make a difference. Back in the
    day, any suggestion that Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton had was gold, so I assume Biden is covered, too.

    What's more stressful? Dad being a non-masker or dad being a Democrat? :)

    My dad's a Republican but only wears the mask in public; not when he's out visiting everyone. It makes me nervous because I don't know where these other family members have been, and my wife is a high risk for covid complications.

    Biden should get on the TV more often and tell people to wear masks. Remember those "Public service announcements?" Reagan, GWB, and Clinton were on TV all the time telling people what seemed to be good advice. Even Obama made some appearances.

    The White House should sponsor a TV ad where they remind people to wear masks, and they should air it during The Price is Right & Wheel of Fortune. That
    would get some of these older people's attention.
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Thursday, April 15, 2021 21:42:56
    One of the cable talk show hosts has also admitted that she was soft-balling Kamala and anyone else who was related to the Biden
    campaign. Well, duh.

    Give her something to cackle about, and nobody will notice the caldron or the screaming children.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Friday, April 16, 2021 12:51:11
    Hello Mike,

    It's not obvious. I've never met a person who doesn't wear a mask. And if I
    did meet such a person, I think it would be idiotic for me to say "You aint
    wearing a mask because of political reasons and therefore because of
    Trump!"

    Does Tucker Carlson wear a mask?

    My Dad hates wearing a mask, and hates Trump. He will wear one in public, but not around extended family members who would prefer that he did.

    I doubt anybody at Fox News hates Trump.

    I have not been around him much since the election, though. If Biden told him to wear one, I am sure it'd make a difference.

    Would it? I went to Wal*Mart to get some things for my car.
    Wal*Mart policy was for all to wear masks inside the store.
    One idiot walked in, not wearing a mask, was asked to wear
    one, and without saying a word he refused. Was offered a
    mask, and still refused. Went about his business inside the
    store, the employees panicking not knowing what to do due
    to his bad attitude. He picked out the product he wanted,
    brought it to the cashier, who very carefully rang it up.
    He paid for it, in cash, without saying a word. All the
    customers and employees stayed far away from him, remaining
    quiet so as not to piss him off.

    I have no idea if that guy was liberal or conservative, or
    if he had any party affiliation. But one thing is for sure -
    he was nuts.

    Back in the day, any suggestion that Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton had was gold, so I assume Biden is covered, too.

    Jimmy Carter had a brother named Billy.
    Billy liked two things -
    * A Libyan who wanted to be King of Africa
    * Billy Beer

    "I am not my brother's keeper!"
    ~ President Jimmy Carter

    The man named Bill only liked two things -
    * to be president
    * to get a blowjob by a white house intern

    "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinski!"
    ~ President Bill Clinton

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 16, 2021 18:22:10
    Hello Aaron,

    Most folks who refuse to wear a mask do so for very selfish reasons,

    "Most" isn't an accurate word.

    The word "most" means a majority. How is that not accurate?

    Why do "most" people in restaurants not wear masks? To be selfish? Or to eat
    food?

    Due to the pandemic, certain protocols are in place. One of those
    protocols is to limit the number of people who can dine in a restaurant,
    as well as when those people are allowed to remove their masks for
    eating purposes. Those who refuse to comply are not allowed to play.

    If someone aint wearing a mask, it's our responsibility to be the bigger man
    and to give them more space and/or get away from them.

    Everybody has a duty and an obligation to protect both themselves
    and others. Those who refuse to protect others by not wearing a mask
    are extremely selfish.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, April 16, 2021 10:07:00
    I have no idea if that guy was liberal or conservative, or
    if he had any party affiliation. But one thing is for sure -
    he was nuts.

    Jeff is 100% sure that it's because of words that came out of Trump's mouth.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, April 16, 2021 16:23:22
    Most folks who refuse to wear a mask do so for very selfish reasons,

    "Most" isn't an accurate word.

    The word "most" means a majority. How is that not accurate?

    It's not accurate when there's no science behind it. If you surveyed 10 non maskers and 6 of them said "I'm not wearing it because I'm selfish," then
    the word would hold more truth.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 17, 2021 00:15:52
    On 16 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    It's not accurate when there's no science behind it. If you surveyed 10 non maskers and 6 of them said "I'm not wearing it because I'm selfish," then the word would hold more truth.

    Somehow I doubt that they're doing it out of altruism.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Kevin Koch@1:3634/24 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, April 17, 2021 14:21:07
    Due to the pandemic, certain protocols are in place. One of those protocols is to limit the number of people who can dine in a restaurant, as well as when those people are allowed to remove their masks for
    eating purposes. Those who refuse to comply are not allowed to play.



    I will get slammed by right left middle, etc yet:
    the protocols are *PSYCHOSIS*

    Compliance is not a option.

    Defiance is duty. Regardless of whether you are right, left, middle, etc.

    I guess you don't realize that in the past ......................100 years there have been at least a million pandemics..

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 17, 2021 22:15:48
    Hello Aaron,

    Most folks who refuse to wear a mask do so for very selfish
    reasons,

    "Most" isn't an accurate word.

    The word "most" means a majority. How is that not accurate?

    It's not accurate when there's no science behind it.

    Excepting toddlers under age two and a small number of people
    having preexisting conditions, you are all wet.

    If you surveyed 10 non maskers and 6 of them said "I'm not wearing it because I'm selfish," then the word would hold more truth.

    The truth? You want to know the truth? Here is what the founders
    of our country did. And they would have done the same today concerning
    the current pandemic -

    https://www.voanews.com/usa/all-about-america/what-would-us-founding -fathers-say-anti-maskers


    It is not what ant-maskers say, but what they do. And we all know
    what that is. Each and every one one of them shits not only on
    themselves, but also on everybody else. They care not a wit about
    themselves or others, which goes to show you how much they love
    our country and its people.

    --Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Kevin Koch on Saturday, April 17, 2021 16:47:16
    On 17 Apr 2021, Kevin Koch said the following...
    Due to the pandemic, certain protocols are in place. One of those protocols is to limit the number of people who can dine in a restaura as well as when those people are allowed to remove their masks for eating purposes. Those who refuse to comply are not allowed to play.
    I will get slammed by right left middle, etc yet:
    the protocols are *PSYCHOSIS*

    Compliance is not a option.

    Defiance is duty. Regardless of whether you are right, left, middle,
    etc.

    I guess you don't realize that in the past ......................100
    years there have been at least a million pandemics..

    All pandemics are not equal. And then there are the pandemics that weren't, like Ebola. Extremely strict protocols prevented Ebola from spreading throughout the US.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, April 17, 2021 18:23:00
    What's more stressful? Dad being a non-masker or dad being a Democrat? :)

    LOL, the latter. :D Now, if our governor was not a D who told him he
    needs to wear a mask, my vote might change as I doubt he'd be wearing one
    in public, either. :)

    My dad's a Republican but only wears the mask in public; not when he's out visiting everyone. It makes me nervous because I don't know where these other family members have been, and my wife is a high risk for covid complications.

    My father's wife is also an R who only wears one in public.

    Now, I don't know how old your father is, but part of my father's issue,
    and I suspect also his wife's, is that he is hard of hearing. I didn't
    realize it until he admitted it a few years back, but he has been relying partially on watching people's lips for years. Having everyone in a mask
    is probably frustrating.

    Plus he rarely wears one when he should, like when he is working on things
    with a lot of dust.

    Biden should get on the TV more often and tell people to wear masks. Remember those "Public service announcements?" Reagan, GWB, and Clinton were on TV all the time telling people what seemed to be good advice. Even Obama made some appearances.

    The White House should sponsor a TV ad where they remind people to wear masks,
    and they should air it during The Price is Right & Wheel of Fortune. That would get some of these older people's attention.

    With all of the complaining that Biden did about his predecessor's lack of leadership and messaging regarding everyone wearing a mask, I am actually pretty shocked he has not grabbed the opportunity to do so. IIRC, he did during the campaign. Now that they don't seem to want him in front of a
    camera as much, he hasn't said a whole lot at all, unless he is pointing
    out displeasure with a state relaxing their rules.

    As it is, while he certainly has not said anything negative about wearing a mask, he has also not really been showing the "leadership" he promised when
    it comes to mask wearing, social distancing, etc.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kevin Koch on Sunday, April 18, 2021 04:16:04
    Hello Kevin,

    Due to the pandemic, certain protocols are in place. One of those
    protocols is to limit the number of people who can dine in a
    restaurant,
    as well as when those people are allowed to remove their masks for
    eating purposes. Those who refuse to comply are not allowed to play.


    I will get slammed by right left middle, etc yet:
    the protocols are *PSYCHOSIS*

    Not being allowed to eat can be a real bummer.

    Compliance is not a option.

    Especially when you are hungry.

    Defiance is duty. Regardless of whether you are right, left, middle, etc.

    Everybody gotta eat.

    I guess you don't realize that in the past ......................100 years there have been at least a million pandemics..

    Now. Think this out.
    There are 10,000 deaths a day, worldwide, due to the current pandemic.
    There are also 10,000 deaths a day, worldwide, due to hunger.
    We do everything we can to save those who are dying of covid-19.
    And the best we can do is limit the number of deaths to 10,000/day?
    While doing nothing to save those who die of hunger?

    There is nothing we can do to prevent pandemics. We can hope to
    contain them, and maybe if we are very lucky wipe them out. Even
    though that is admittedly wishful thinking.

    But everybody gotta eat. And there is plenty of something we can
    do about that. And yet, we choose not to do so.

    Who should we think we are?
    Are we saviours? Or are we devils?

    Who are we to say who lives? And who dies?
    Nobody has to die of hunger. And yet, look at how many do.
    Does anybody truly have to die of covid-19?
    Why do certain people, namely politicians, get special treatment?
    Not everybody had (or has) the same access to quality healthcare
    as them. As a result, many folks died needlessly.

    So. Who are you? Are you a saviour? Or a devil in disguise?

    I do not know who or what I am. Maybe a bit of both?

    --Lee

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  • From Adam Hall@1:305/3 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 18, 2021 02:33:47
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Kevin Koch on Sunday, April 18, 2021 08:08:00
    Kevin Koch wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    I guess you don't realize that in the past ......................100
    years there have been at least a million pandemics..

    The term "pandemic" is just a propaganda term. It simply means "all countries have the disease". But it sounds scary to the sheeple, so it keeps them in fear
    - and easier to control.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, April 18, 2021 08:45:07
    The truth? You want to know the truth? Here is what the founders
    of our country did. And they would have done the same today concerning
    the current pandemic -

    Those guys are a bunch of slave owning crackers.

    It is not what ant-maskers say, but what they do. And we all know
    what that is. Each and every one one of them shits not only on
    themselves, but also on everybody else. They care not a wit about themselves or others, which goes to show you how much they love
    our country and its people.

    But before you have a heart attack at Walmart, consider the fact that some people can barely breathe without a mask on.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Adam Hall on Sunday, April 18, 2021 16:23:20
    On 18 Apr 2021, Adam Hall said the following...
    How about making China most favored trading nation status in the first place?

    What is this in reference to?

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 19, 2021 00:31:01
    Hello Aaron,

    The truth? You want to know the truth? Here is what the founders
    of our country did. And they would have done the same today concerning
    the current pandemic -

    Those guys are a bunch of slave owning crackers.

    Society changes over time. But much remains the same. One of those
    things was the meaning of what freedom is, and should be. Nobody has
    the right to claim his own freedom has no limitations.

    George Washington, who owned slaves, was one of those people.
    He made it mandatory for all his soldiers to be inoculated from
    the pandemic of his day. What do you think our first president
    would have done today? What do you think he would have done
    with the 40% of our men and women in uniform who refuse to wear
    masks or get the vaccine? Would he have had those soldiers
    courts martialed? You betcha!

    It is not what ant-maskers say, but what they do. And we all know
    what that is. Each and every one one of them shits not only on
    themselves, but also on everybody else. They care not a wit about
    themselves or others, which goes to show you how much they love
    our country and its people.

    But before you have a heart attack at Walmart, consider the fact that some people can barely breathe without a mask on.

    No excuses, man. Get a mask. If that one doesn't work, get one that
    does. And quit whining. Putting yourself at risk is bad enough. But
    putting others at risk is even worse. Go please. Get with the program!

    When General George Washington gave an order to his troops, he
    meant the business, and accepted no excuses. There was a war going
    on, and he wasted no time getting rid of those who failed to follow
    his orders. Washington won, his deserters lost, and a new nation
    was born.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:50:34
    Plus he rarely wears one when he should, like when he is working on
    things with a lot of dust.

    Wearing a mask for cutting wood makes a huge difference! When you're done, there's no sawdust aftertaste.

    IIRC, he did during the campaign. Now that they don't seem to want him
    in front of a camera as much, he hasn't said a whole lot at all, unless
    he is pointing out displeasure with a state relaxing their rules.

    Yea, if that. He certainly doesn't have much to say. I'm the most anti-Biden guy in the whole neighborhood, but I still want to hear what the old cracker has to say. He's not informing us; I guess he realizes that Trump already did all the explaining and there's not much more to say (about the pandemic.)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, April 19, 2021 10:09:00
    Yea, if that. He certainly doesn't have much to say. I'm the most anti-Biden >guy in the whole neighborhood, but I still want to hear what the old cracker >has to say. He's not informing us; I guess he realizes that Trump already did >all the explaining and there's not much more to say (about the pandemic.)

    If someone types it up on a telepromter for him to read, we will hear it. Otherwise, I will be surprised to hear it from him.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, April 19, 2021 10:38:00
    How about making China most favored trading nation status in the first place?

    What is this in reference to?

    Google it. HINT: The US first granted China this status in 1980 and that status paved the way for China to enter the World Trade Organization.

    My guess is that Aaron is suggesting that, had we not granted them that
    status, and continued it in the 1990's and in 2000, we'd not be in the
    shape we are in now. There are those that believe, for example, that the continuation of the status caused the US to loose a couple million jobs.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, April 18, 2021 21:51:35
    people can barely breathe without a mask on.

    No excuses, man. Get a mask. If that one doesn't work, get one that
    does. And quit whining. Putting yourself at risk is bad enough. But putting others at risk is even worse. Go please. Get with the program!

    There are toddlers who aren't gonna keep their masks on either. Are you gonna fight with a toddler? Are toddlers Republicans?

    When General George Washington gave an order to his troops, he
    meant the business, and accepted no excuses. There was a war going

    And when he ordered his slaves to harvest the cotton, he pissed in a bottle in case anyone got thirsty.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, April 19, 2021 13:41:40
    On 19 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    How about making China most favored trading nation status in the fi place?

    What is this in reference to?

    Google it. HINT: The US first granted China this status in 1980 and
    that status paved the way for China to enter the World Trade
    Organization.

    My guess is that Aaron is suggesting that, had we not granted them that status, and continued it in the 1990's and in 2000, we'd not be in the shape we are in now. There are those that believe, for example, that the continuation of the status caused the US to loose a couple million jobs.

    I know what it is; I was trying to figure out why he'd brought it up. Even
    you had to guess.

    And sure, that's one way to look at it, but the US businesses that moved
    those "couple million jobs" to China made out like bandits from the cheap
    labor (whether in their own factories in China or by outsourcing supply needs outright). And when businesses do well, that's good for the economy, right?

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 19, 2021 21:08:17
    Hello Aaron,

    people can barely breathe without a mask on.

    No excuses, man. Get a mask. If that one doesn't work, get one that
    does. And quit whining. Putting yourself at risk is bad enough. But
    putting others at risk is even worse. Go please. Get with the program!

    There are toddlers who aren't gonna keep their masks on either. Are you gonna
    fight with a toddler? Are toddlers Republicans?

    Toddlers under age two are excempt, as per guidelines by the CDC.
    Wanna try again?

    When General George Washington gave an order to his troops, he
    meant the business, and accepted no excuses. There was a war going

    And when he ordered his slaves to harvest the cotton, he pissed in a bottle
    in case anyone got thirsty.

    Nah. He used the teeth of his slaves for his dentures.
    Always made sure they tasted good when in use.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Monday, April 19, 2021 21:08:27
    Mike Powell -> AARON THOMAS formulated on Monday :
    Yea, if that. He certainly doesn't have much to say. I'm the most
    anti-Biden
    guy in the whole neighborhood, but I still want to hear what the old
    cracker
    has to say. He's not informing us; I guess he realizes that Trump already
    did
    all the explaining and there's not much more to say (about the pandemic.)

    If someone types it up on a telepromter for him to read, we will hear it. Otherwise, I will be surprised to hear it from him.

    He did pretty well for himself in the debates. Without a telepromter
    for him to read, or anything else. Of course, having an opponent who
    had nothing to say except call him nasty names was a gift that kept
    giving ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Monday, April 19, 2021 21:08:49
    Hello Mike,

    How about making China most favored trading nation status in the first
    place?

    What is this in reference to?

    Google it. HINT: The US first granted China this status in 1980 and that status paved the way for China to enter the World Trade Organization.

    Thank you, Richard Nixon! First to visit, more to follow!

    My guess is that Aaron is suggesting that, had we not granted them that status, and continued it in the 1990's and in 2000, we'd not be in the shape we are in now.

    Nixon's abysmal economic policies gave Jimmy Carter the presidency.
    James Carville remindid folks "It's the economy, stupid!" - referring
    to Nixon's abysmal economic policies - which gave Bill Clinton the
    presidency.

    Then came GWB. Who spent almost his entire presidency by going to
    war. First with Aghaghistan (The Forever War). And then with Iraq.
    While at it, he visited China to watch the Olympics.

    After GWB crashed the economy, a black man was elected to bring
    us back to life. And he did wonders for us all.

    Next came the orange disaster. Over 500,000 dead Americans later,
    we have a new saviour in charge ...

    There are those that believe, for example, that the continuation of the status caused the US to loose a couple million jobs.

    There are more who believe, for example, that the continuation
    of the orange diasaster would have meant the death of us all.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, April 19, 2021 14:26:57
    On 19 Apr 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    There are those that believe, for example, that the continuation of t status caused the US to loose a couple million jobs.

    There are more who believe, for example, that the continuation
    of the orange diasaster would have meant the death of us all.

    There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man, who even now, fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens.

    Jeff.

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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Ron Lauzon on Monday, April 19, 2021 15:59:00
    Ron Lauzon wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    @MSGID: <60783769.2026.fidonet_politics@caughtinadream.com>
    @REPLY: <6077A9F2.2019.fidonet_politics@caughtinadream.com>
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    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Yea right Jeff - like they're gonna be saying "I ain't wearing a mask because Trump said not to!"

    Leftie ALWAYS project.

    No one tells me what to believe. Amassing information, going through
    it, shuffling out the BS, that's how we get information that is legit.
    Just reading or watching CNN or MSNBC isn't sufficient to being an
    informed citizen.

    Since they blindly do whatever their leaders tell them, they assume
    that everyone else does the same.

    Again, no one tells me what to believe. Hell, your "righty" leaders
    told you that Trump won the election. Get over it, he didn't.

    They cannot comprehend someone making an intelligent decision for themselves because they are not capable of doing that for
    themselves.

    Still think Trump won? I have never seen the Republican Party be so
    backwards in my life.


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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Mike Powell on Monday, April 19, 2021 16:01:00
    Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

    @MSGID: <60789415.2035.fidonet_politics@caughtinadream.com>
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    @TZ: ff10
    It's pretty obvious from what they say. If they treat it as a political issue, then that's traceable back to Trump.

    It's not obvious. I've never met a person who doesn't wear a mask. And if I did meet such a person, I think it would be idiotic for me to say "You aint wearing a mask because of political reasons and therefore because of Trump!"

    My Dad hates wearing a mask, and hates Trump. He will wear one in
    public, but not around extended family members who would prefer that
    he did.

    I have an exceptionally rare lung disease. If I get COVID, I'm dead.
    But, get this, I still wear my mask whenever I go out of the house (restaurants, malls, grocery stores, etc.). If I am around people with compromised immune systems, I wear my mask too. It's common courtesy.

    Good for your Dad.


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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Ron Lauzon on Monday, April 19, 2021 16:05:00
    Ron Lauzon wrote to Kevin Koch <=-

    @MSGID: <607C3205.2092.fidonet_politics@caughtinadream.com>
    @REPLY: <607B3331.2075.fidonet_politics@caughtinadream.com>
    @TZ: ff10
    Kevin Koch wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    I guess you don't realize that in the past ......................100
    years there have been at least a million pandemics..

    The term "pandemic" is just a propaganda term. It simply means "all countries have the disease". But it sounds scary to the sheeple, so
    it keeps them in fear
    - and easier to control.

    It is a pandemic you idiot. This isn't about people being sheep, it is
    about people being made knowledgeable that there is a virus that will
    KILL you if you aren't careful. Do I fear COVID-19, no. Just like
    everything else in the world, if you live in fear, you will never leave
    your house.


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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, April 19, 2021 16:07:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    @MSGID: <607DDB26.2132.fidonet_politics@caughtinadream.com>
    @REPLY: <607DA27E.2118.fidonet_politics@caughtinadream.com>
    @TZ: 0078
    Mike Powell -> AARON THOMAS formulated on Monday :
    Yea, if that. He certainly doesn't have much to say. I'm the most
    anti-Biden
    guy in the whole neighborhood, but I still want to hear what the old
    cracker
    has to say. He's not informing us; I guess he realizes that Trump already
    did
    all the explaining and there's not much more to say (about the pandemic.)

    If someone types it up on a telepromter for him to read, we will hear it. Otherwise, I will be surprised to hear it from him.

    He did pretty well for himself in the debates. Without a telepromter
    for him to read, or anything else. Of course, having an opponent who
    had nothing to say except call him nasty names was a gift that kept
    giving ...

    +1 for Lee. :)

    In all honesty, the eloquence of Biden is nice to see for a change. He
    may not be the worlds greatest speaker due to his stuttering but that
    isn't a problem. Again, it's nice to not see a bloviating asshole tweet
    every five minutes, golf every ten, and spout conspiracy theories every
    15.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, April 20, 2021 13:59:32
    Hello Mike,

    How about making China most favored trading nation status in the first
    place?

    What is this in reference to?

    Google it. HINT: The US first granted China this status in 1980 and that status paved the way for China to enter the World Trade Organization.

    That is *not* what the *real* news says.
    But since you haven't got a clue ...

    For Immediate Release
    Office of the Press Secretary
    December 27, 2001

    President Grants Permanent Trade Status to China
    Statement by the Deputy Press Secretary
    President Bush Grants Permanent Normal Trade Relations
    Status to China

    Today the President signed a proclamation granting permanent normal
    trading relations (PNTR) status to the People's Republic of China and terminating application of Jackson-Vanik provisions to China. Taking
    effect January 1, 2002, this is the final step in normalizing
    U.S.-China trade relations and welcoming China into a global,
    rules-based trading system. It marks the completion of more than a
    decade of bilateral and multilateral negotiations, and the beginning
    of a process of working constructively with China to help it fully
    implement its commitments on trade liberalization.

    Congress authorized these actions subject to the President's
    certification that the final terms of entry for China into the WTO
    were at least equivalent to those agreed to bilaterally between the
    United States and China in 1999, and China's successful entry into
    the WTO. The President certified the equivalency of the final terms
    on November 9, 2001; China formally became a WTO member on December
    11, 2001.

    # # #

    My guess is that Aaron is suggesting that, had we not granted them that status, and continued it in the 1990's and in 2000, we'd not be in the shape we are in now. There are those that believe, for example, that the continuation of the status caused the US to loose a couple million jobs.

    Don't be silly. GWB himself said everything is his own fault.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, April 20, 2021 01:28:11
    There are toddlers who aren't gonna keep their masks on either. Are y gonna
    fight with a toddler? Are toddlers Republicans?

    Toddlers under age two are excempt, as per guidelines by the CDC.
    Wanna try again?

    It depends on which set of rules you're following. A non-masing toddler (presumably a Trump supporter) recently got a plane diverted for refusing to wear a mask.

    I'm willing to bet that there are some miserable cows at Walmart, not even shopping, just waiting for a toddler to try taking their mask off; ready to raise hell with the parent. I'm glad I get my stuff curbside.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 20, 2021 19:43:35
    Hello Jeff,

    There are those that believe, for example, that the continuation
    of t
    status caused the US to loose a couple million jobs.

    There are more who believe, for example, that the continuation
    of the orange diasaster would have meant the death of us all.

    There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that there may yet be
    brothers of man, who even now, fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens.

    I think I may be communicating with some of them here, in this forum.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:20:00
    And sure, that's one way to look at it, but the US businesses that moved those "couple million jobs" to China made out like bandits from the cheap labor (whether in their own factories in China or by outsourcing supply needs outright). And when businesses do well, that's good for the economy, right?

    Good for the economy where the *jobs* are located.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BRIAN KLAUSS on Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:21:00
    My Dad hates wearing a mask, and hates Trump. He will wear one in public, but not around extended family members who would prefer that
    he did.

    I have an exceptionally rare lung disease. If I get COVID, I'm dead.
    But, get this, I still wear my mask whenever I go out of the house (restaurants, malls, grocery stores, etc.). If I am around people with compromised immune systems, I wear my mask too. It's common courtesy.

    Good for your Dad.

    I think you may have missed the last bit... "but (he does not wear a mask) around extended family members who would prefer that he did." :)


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, April 20, 2021 14:26:26
    On 20 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    And sure, that's one way to look at it, but the US businesses that moved those "couple million jobs" to China made out like bandits from the chea labor (whether in their own factories in China or by outsourcing supply outright). And when businesses do well, that's good for the economy, rig

    Good for the economy where the *jobs* are located.

    I think we've lost that connection somewhere along the way. As long as the stock market's doing well, everything's just hunky-dory (at least according
    to Trump).

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Brian Klauss on Wednesday, April 21, 2021 07:49:00
    Brian Klauss wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    No one tells me what to believe.

    Then why do you keep parroting the Leftie Narrative that's already been
    proven false?

    You are being told what to believe, but your Elitist attitude refuses
    to allow you to accept that.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Brian Klauss on Wednesday, April 21, 2021 07:52:00
    Brian Klauss wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    It is a pandemic you idiot.

    The pandemic was over months ago.

    This isn't about people being sheep, it is
    about people being made knowledgeable that there is a virus that will
    KILL you if you aren't careful.

    Everything will kill you if you aren't careful. Of course, if you actually knew something instead of parroting the Leftie Narrative, you'd know that.

    Recovery rate from COVID is 99.9+%. I have higher odds of dying just driving to work every day.

    Do I fear COVID-19, no.

    Then why do you continue to push the false Leftie Narrative and fear-monger?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, April 21, 2021 10:09:00
    And sure, that's one way to look at it, but the US businesses that moved >MP> > those "couple million jobs" to China made out like bandits from the chea >MP> > labor (whether in their own factories in China or by outsourcing supply >MP> > outright). And when businesses do well, that's good for the economy, rig >MP>
    Good for the economy where the *jobs* are located.

    I think we've lost that connection somewhere along the way. As long as the stock market's doing well, everything's just hunky-dory (at least according to Trump).

    Which goes back to what I think Aaron was trying to get at, i.e. if we'd
    kept the jobs here to begin with...


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, April 21, 2021 17:29:20
    On 21 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    I think we've lost that connection somewhere along the way. As long as t stock market's doing well, everything's just hunky-dory (at least accord to Trump).

    Which goes back to what I think Aaron was trying to get at, i.e. if we'd kept the jobs here to begin with...

    So the government allowing, not in any way forcing, businesses to trade with China cost the US jobs? Sounds like a free market problem to me...

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, April 21, 2021 17:44:10
    On 20 Apr 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    There are those that believe, for example, that the continuation
    of t
    status caused the US to loose a couple million jobs.

    There are more who believe, for example, that the continuation
    of the orange diasaster would have meant the death of us all.

    There are those who believe that life here began out there, far acros universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that there may
    be
    brothers of man, who even now, fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens.

    I think I may be communicating with some of them here, in this forum.

    Ha! Don't trust them; they might be Cylons!

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, April 22, 2021 00:24:00
    On 04-21-21 07:52, Ron Lauzon <=-
    spoke to Brian Klauss about Re: Deaths <=-

    Recovery rate from COVID is 99.9+%. I have higher odds of dying just driving to work every day.

    You are wrong. The death rate is more than 1%, not 0.1% as you said.
    And then there is another percentage that have very serious effects
    before they recover, and some who continue to have bad effects long
    after they test negative.
    As to your counter statement about driving to work. If the odds are
    worse than 0.1% each way, then that is 1% each week, or 50% each year.
    I.e. your odd of dying from driving to work are much less than 0.1%.

    If you are going to try to quote figures, make sure that they are
    accurate and make sense.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, April 22, 2021 08:05:00
    Dale Shipp wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    You are wrong. The death rate is more than 1%, not 0.1% as you said.

    And if you are just going to parrot the false Leftie Narrative, is it
    any wonder why people jut ignore your posts?


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, April 23, 2021 00:30:00
    On 04-22-21 08:05, Ron Lauzon <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Deaths <=-

    You are wrong. The death rate is more than 1%, not 0.1% as you said.

    And if you are just going to parrot the false Leftie Narrative, is it
    any wonder why people jut ignore your posts?

    I seriously doubt that you can take a look at any measure of resolved
    cases of Covid that you might care to use, and then tell me that the
    death rate from Covid is no more than 0.1%. Your stated figure sounds
    like it is from FOX Entertainment Network narrative. My statement is
    from published facts by a number of reputable sources, not anyone's "narrative".

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Kevin Koch@1:3634/24 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, April 23, 2021 00:45:02

    The term "pandemic" is just a propaganda term. It simply means "all countries have the disease". But it sounds scary to the sheeple, so it keeps them in fear
    - and easier to control.


    Good one..

    If you want to see a pandemic go to usdebtclock.org.

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  • From Kevin Koch@1:3634/24 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, April 23, 2021 04:41:09
    The pandemic was over months ago.
    Everything will kill you if you aren't careful. Of course, if you actually knew something instead of parroting the Leftie Narrative, you'd know that.

    I've been parroting the Ross H. Perot line of resolve the national debt forever.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, April 23, 2021 20:57:16
    Hello Jeff,

    There are those that believe, for example, that the
    continuation
    of t
    status caused the US to loose a couple million jobs.

    There are more who believe, for example, that the continuation
    of the orange diasaster would have meant the death of us all.

    There are those who believe that life here began out there, far
    acros
    universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the
    forefathers of
    Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that
    there may
    be
    brothers of man, who even now, fight to survive, somewhere
    beyond the
    heavens.

    I think I may be communicating with some of them here, in this forum.

    Ha! Don't trust them; they might be Cylons!

    I have watched both versions. As well as the off-shoots and movies.
    The first version (with Lorne Green as commander) had its good points,
    but also parts that did not work. The retelling cleaned up the parts
    that flopped in th first version, but was a different telling. And
    who can forget the series about the homworld, taking place just
    before Battleship Galactica?

    Makes me wonder if Adama was human, or cylon ...

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, April 23, 2021 18:03:25
    On 23 Apr 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    Ha! Don't trust them; they might be Cylons!

    I have watched both versions. As well as the off-shoots and movies.
    The first version (with Lorne Green as commander) had its good points,
    but also parts that did not work. The retelling cleaned up the parts
    that flopped in th first version, but was a different telling. And
    who can forget the series about the homworld, taking place just
    before Battleship Galactica?

    I think I arrived on this planet at just the right time. I saw the original when I was a pre-teen, and space battles and swashbucklers made up for plot deficiencies. I have tried to watch it since (post-retelling) and yeah, parts of it just don't work. I thoroughly enjoyed the first few seasons of the retelling, but did not hang around until the end. I lost interest when it slowed to "soap opera time" and I could count the major plot points from each episode on one hand.

    Makes me wonder if Adama was human, or cylon ...

    Ah, Caprica. I watched a few episodes of that one, but couldn't get
    interested. It's been a few years; perhaps I should try again.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kevin Koch on Monday, April 26, 2021 17:59:10
    Hello Kevin,

    The term "pandemic" is just a propaganda term. It simply means "all
    countries have the disease". But it sounds scary to the sheeple, so it
    keeps them in fear
    - and easier to control.


    Good one..

    If you want to see a pandemic go to usdebtclock.org.

    Yep. It still works.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kevin Koch on Monday, April 26, 2021 17:59:16
    Hello Kevin,

    The pandemic was over months ago.
    Everything will kill you if you aren't careful. Of course, if you
    actually knew something instead of parroting the Leftie Narrative,
    you'd
    know that.

    I've been parroting the Ross H. Perot line of resolve the national debt forever.

    You do realize what would happen if US politicians ever eliminated
    the national debt. None of them could ever get re-elected.

    Sure, Ross Perot talked about it. But did he get elected? No.
    He lost. Bigly. Not that he cared, since it was own money he spent.
    And look what he got in return. Aside from lots of publicity, he
    got nothing for his efforts.

    Donald J. Trump promised to "drain the swamp." And what happened?
    The swamp got bigger. And bigger. And bigger.

    And then somebody unplugged it and now a new swamp is there.
    Just starting to refill, where eventually it will become an ocean.

    Unfortunately for Trump supporters, their hero went down the drain,
    never to be seen or heard from again.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Kevin Koch@1:3634/24 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, April 29, 2021 09:59:45
    You do realize what would happen if US politicians ever eliminated
    the national debt. None of them could ever get re-elected.

    Would that be a bad thing?


    Sure, Ross Perot talked about it. But did he get elected? No.
    He lost. Bigly. Not that he cared, since it was own money he spent.
    And look what he got in return. Aside from lots of publicity, he
    got nothing for his efforts.

    Perot was first and probably last candidate who spoke English and Dollars&Cents.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Kevin Koch on Friday, April 30, 2021 08:29:00
    Kevin Koch wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    You do realize what would happen if US politicians ever eliminated
    the national debt. None of them could ever get re-elected.

    Would that be a bad thing?

    For the country, no. That would be a good thing.
    For the politician, yes. He'd be out of a job that he is able to do and
    be forced to get a much lower status job.

    It should be illegal for career politicans to exist.

    Perot was first and probably last candidate who spoke English and Dollars&Cents.

    We need to wrestle our gov't away from bureaucrats (who are primarily incompetent). So far, the best politicians we've had are not politicians.


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  • From Kevin Koch@1:3634/24 to Ron Lauzon on Saturday, May 01, 2021 07:30:31

    It should be illegal for career politicans to exist.

    For the country, no. That would be a good thing.
    For the politician, yes. He'd be out of a job that he is able to do and be forced to get a much lower status job.

    It should be illegal for career politicans to exist.
    We need to wrestle our gov't away from bureaucrats (who are primarily incompetent). So far, the best politicians we've had are not
    politicians.


    Well said.
    That's good. No more free candy. No more percs. No more rock-star treatment.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kevin Koch on Saturday, May 08, 2021 19:08:27
    Hello Kevin,

    You do realize what would happen if US politicians ever eliminated
    the national debt. None of them could ever get re-elected.

    Would that be a bad thing?

    Yes. If the government was broke, it could not pay the poor
    to survive (welfare). Nor could it provide food (food stamps)
    to provide. Nor could it provide free healthcare (medicaid).
    Nor could it provide anything else to help the poor to survive.
    And since the wealth are unwilling to help the poor to survive,
    even the wealthy would eventually go broke as nobody would be
    left to provide anything for them.

    As a result, US politicians would have to borrow money from
    foreigners in order to pay the poor to survive. And those foreigners
    would charge us interest in order to make a profit for themselves.
    See how that goes?

    As you know, the cycle continues. US politicians raise taxes on
    the poor, who then need more money (welfare) in order to survive.
    Politicians then borrow more from foreigners, who continue to
    invest their own money in order to prosper, et al infinitum.

    So what are we to do? Invest in gold? Silver? Other precious
    metals? Sooner or later all that silver and gold, along with all
    other precious metals will be gone. And US politicians will have
    nothing left to buy or to invest in. Except for a lot of poor
    peopl. So what are politicians gonna do? Tax a bunch of poor
    folks who do not even have enough money to buy a sandwich to eat?

    Keynes was right. Deficit spending is the key to everyone's success.
    Even Dick Cheney agreed with that.

    "Deficits don't matter." ~Dick Cheney, former Vice President

    Sure, Ross Perot talked about it. But did he get elected? No.
    He lost. Bigly. Not that he cared, since it was own money he spent.
    And look what he got in return. Aside from lots of publicity, he
    got nothing for his efforts.

    Perot was first and probably last candidate who spoke English and Dollars&Cents.

    GWB could not even speak Texan, much less mangled English.
    And Dick Cneney never had the heart to tell him. As for Perot,
    he did have a big head, and an ego to match it. But far from
    being a leader of any kind.

    --Lee

    --
    I Take A Sheet In The Pool

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, May 08, 2021 12:43:20
    On 08 May 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    You do realize what would happen if US politicians ever eliminated
    the national debt. None of them could ever get re-elected.
    Would that be a bad thing?
    Yes. If the government was broke, it could not pay the poor
    to survive (welfare). Nor could it provide food (food stamps)
    to provide. Nor could it provide free healthcare (medicaid).
    Nor could it provide anything else to help the poor to survive.
    And since the wealth are unwilling to help the poor to survive,
    even the wealthy would eventually go broke as nobody would be
    left to provide anything for them.

    Um, I'm not sure exactly what's going on here, but there seems to be
    confusion between the debt and the budget.

    The budget is the amount of money that the government needs to operate.
    The deficit is the difference between the budget and the amount of money that the government actually has, for one budget cycle. In order to continue operating, the government must reconcile the deficit by borrowing,
    introducing debt.
    The national debt is the accumulated debt generated by reconciling deficits.

    The absence of a national debt does not imply that the country is "broke,"
    only that its revenue satisfies its budgetary needs.

    As a result, US politicians would have to borrow money from
    foreigners in order to pay the poor to survive. And those foreigners
    would charge us interest in order to make a profit for themselves.
    See how that goes?

    That, and borrowing money from its own banks and citizens (treasury bonds),
    is exactly where the national debt comes from. So in this example, all that's happened is that politicians have re-introduced the national debt after
    having eliminated it.

    As you know, the cycle continues. US politicians raise taxes on
    the poor, who then need more money (welfare) in order to survive. Politicians then borrow more from foreigners, who continue to
    invest their own money in order to prosper, et al infinitum.

    This describes a revenue problem: collecting the majority of revenues from those least able to afford it.

    So what are we to do? Invest in gold? Silver? Other precious
    metals? Sooner or later all that silver and gold, along with all
    other precious metals will be gone. And US politicians will have
    nothing left to buy or to invest in. Except for a lot of poor
    peopl. So what are politicians gonna do? Tax a bunch of poor
    folks who do not even have enough money to buy a sandwich to eat?

    Deflation will take care of this for us. As little as people may have, there will always be wealth inequality. And that wealth inequality, however slight
    it may be, will define the difference between the haves and the have-nots.
    The actual number of dollars a person has is meaningless except in comparison to the actual number of dollars that someone else has, due to supply and demand.

    Keynes was right. Deficit spending is the key to everyone's success.
    Even Dick Cheney agreed with that.

    Keynes would say that it's a good way to stimulate the economy, in times that the economy needs stimulating. Cheney would say it's ok anytime.

    Personally, I think we'll never get rid of the national debt for other
    reasons. To get rid of the national debt, we would not only have to eliminate the deficit to prevent further growth of the national debt, but would also
    have to generate a revenue surplus in order to pay down the existing national debt. This will never happen, because Republicans. If we do manage the first two steps, eliminating the deficit and generating a surplus (as Clinton did), then Republicans will immediately claim that this indicates that taxes are
    too high and legislate tax cuts, largely for the rich (as GWB did). And then, as with Lee's scenario, we're back in deficit territory, except that now the rich are paying less than they did before.

    The ideal situation would be to take it a step further by eliminating the deficit, generating a surplus, eliminating the national debt, and then
    put the accumulating surplus into the treasury, so that when the economy
    needed stimulating we could do so without resorting to debt. Sort of an "emergency fund." But there's absolutely no way that Republicans will ever allow that to happen.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:135/392 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, June 05, 2021 19:11:00
    On 04-04-21, JEFF THIELE said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 04 Apr 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    1. The number of people who have died *having taken* the vaccine is
    n AT> JT> the same as the number of people who have died *from taking* the JT>vacc AT>


    It kills people similar to the way flu shots kill people.


    Here's a funny thing....


    When they give the number of deaths from covid they include people who `had' covid but died from other causes. I'll give you a sample....wait a mo...ok, here are the numbers;


    As of June 4...casualities of the Chinese deliberately causing of Covid-19 epidemic on the world are over 172,000,000 world-wide. Of those over 3,700,000 deaths due to China's deliberate timing of the epidemic aimed at the United States in particular.


    Of the 33,343,073 `cases' in the United States, it is claimed there are
    579,000 U.S. deaths.


    However, in many cases there were other factors involved in deaths that are laid to Covid-19.


    People were included in the `Covid-19' death count that actually died of other causes; heart desease...motorcycle accidents...gunshot wounds....heart or lung conditions. It has been found that somewhere around 94% of those `claimed' Covid-19 deaths ALL HAD OTHER ISSUES and their deaths were falsely attributed to Covid-19.


    Nevertheless, you have to be careful to distinguish one group from the JT>other. More specifically, don't attribute the deaths of people who died JT>*having taken* the vaccine to the number of people who died *from taking* JT>the vaccine. It doesn't matter if it kills people similarly to the way flu JT>shots kill people, or similarly to the way an Alien Xenomorph kills JT>people; you still can't conflate the numbers.


    Are you old enough to remember the late forties and early fifties?


    Do you recall being vacinated as a small child for various things?


    Do you remember how many years it took to research, develope, and TEST those vacines before they were approved for general use on humans?



    Do you really think they came up with a reliable general-use vacine for this one in less than a year?


    Yeah....neither do I!



    Tagline;


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    justice; Universities destroy knowledge; Our government destroys freedom,
    the Press destroys information; and the Banks destroy the economy!"








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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Tim Richardson on Monday, June 07, 2021 00:32:06
    On 06-05-21 19:11, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Free Donuts <=-

    Are you old enough to remember the late forties and early fifties?

    Yes.

    Do you recall being vacinated as a small child for various things?

    Yes.

    Do you remember how many years it took to research, develope, and TEST those vacines before they were approved for general use on humans?

    Yes.

    Do you really think they came up with a reliable general-use vacine
    for this one in less than a year?

    Yes.

    Yeah....neither do I!

    Then you are not paying attention.
    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:135/392 to DALE SHIPP on Sunday, July 11, 2021 14:47:00
    On 06-07-21, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    On 06-05-21 19:11, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Free Donuts <=-

    Are you old enough to remember the late forties and early fifties?

    Yes.

    Do you recall being vacinated as a small child for various things?

    Yes.

    Do you remember how many years it took to research, develope, and TEST those vacines before they were approved for general use on humans?

    Yes.

    Do you really think they came up with a reliable general-use vacine
    for this one in less than a year?

    Yes.

    Yeah....neither do I!

    Then you are not paying attention.


    I'm paying close attention.


    I'm paying attention to the deaths caused by these so-called `vacines'.


    I paid attention to the news of a youngster who died after being vacinated recently.


    I pay attention to the democrats threatening to appear at my door and demand
    to know whether or not I've taken the vacines. which is really none of their fucking (yes, Shipp...I deliberately typed the word FUCKING!@) business.


    BTW....just so you know....I am not planning to get `vacinated' for a number
    of reasons.


    Here are a few of them:


    1. They came up with these `vacines' far too quickly to have gotten all the kinks out of them. Witness the several deaths and/or bad reactions to pretty well all of them.


    2. Anything the government is considering literally `forcing' on people can't be a good thing. (Especially a `democrat' government)


    3. As far as I am aware either the FDA, the CDC (if not both) have not as yet given their approval of ANY of the vacines being touted by the government
    (make that read `democrats').


    Next I look for the government (democrats) to create a `vacine' posse' that will being *forcing* people to take the vacines. I also look for some sort of `vacine' card (possibly with a person's photo on it) proving they have been `vacinated' in order to take part in ordinary things people do in public; like grocery shopping, visiting the DMV, going to school, using a public park...



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Tim Richardson on Sunday, July 11, 2021 23:42:00
    On 07-11-21 14:47, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Free Donuts <=-

    I'm paying attention to the deaths caused by these so-called
    `vacines'.

    Perhaps a few, most such are merely coincidental occurrences -- i.e.
    someone died shortly after receiving the vaccine. Far more died or got seriously ill as a result of not taking the vaccine than those whose
    death or illness can be attributed to taking the vaccine.

    I paid attention to the news of a youngster who died after being
    vacinated recently.

    Why did they die? If you look at the statistics from CDC as to deaths
    after taking the vaccine, you will find that some of them died as a
    result of an automobile crash. Those statistics do not attempt to
    attribute cause.

    I pay attention to the democrats threatening to appear at my door and demand to know whether or not I've taken the vacines. which is really
    none of their fucking (yes, Shipp...I deliberately typed the word FUCKING!@) business.

    You over state the reality. There is discussion of going door to door
    in some areas to *OFFER* the vaccine to those who might want it.

    BTW....just so you know....I am not planning to get `vacinated' for a number of reasons.

    All of your reasons are spurious.

    Here are a few of them:


    1. They came up with these `vacines' far too quickly to have gotten
    all the kinks out of them. Witness the several deaths and/or bad
    reactions to pretty well all of them.

    Witness the multiple deaths to those not vacinated.

    2. Anything the government is considering literally `forcing' on
    people can't be a good thing. (Especially a `democrat' government)

    What the government is doing is to prevent a major new outbreak caused
    by clusters of people who are not vacinated and are thus susceptible to
    getting sick or dying.

    3. As far as I am aware either the FDA, the CDC (if not both) have not
    as yet given their approval of ANY of the vacines being touted by the government (make that read `democrats').

    If they have not given approval, no one would be administering the
    vacines.

    Next I look for the government (democrats) to create a `vacine' posse' that will being *forcing* people to take the vacines. I also look for
    some sort of `vacine' card (possibly with a person's photo on it)
    proving they have been `vacinated' in order to take part in ordinary things people do in public; like grocery shopping, visiting the DMV,
    going to school, using a public park...

    The government cannot force people to get vacinated. It can only try to educate people into the advantage to themselves and to the public good
    if they get vacinated.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to All on Monday, February 13, 2023 19:16:03
    There have been 4 unidentified objects with U.S. Airspace that have been
    shot down.
    There is nothing clear coming out of Washington, D.C. with anything that is realistic. The NORAD commander has alleged it could be Aliens??
    Consider this.
    If it was Aliens, their technology would be of the kind, where our weaponry would be useless, as it be would be vastly superior to anything that can be produced here on planet Earth. Aliens indeed...
    If it was Aliens what the &$@% would we do if a massive mother-ship were to drop down through the covered clouds what then?

    It's not Aliens... It's the Chinese, I say it is time that the U.S. bloodies their nose, not War. Just enough to put them back into check who the Big Dogs are. Send them a clear message to cut the crap, and if they ever do this again or are hard of hearing, then we will do whatever is necessary.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, February 14, 2023 00:56:55
    It's not Aliens... It's the Chinese, I say it is time that the U.S. bloodies their nose, not War. Just enough to put them back into check
    who the Big Dogs are. Send them a clear message to cut the crap, and if they ever do this again or are hard of hearing, then we will do whatever is necessary.

    I'm with you on that! But don't you think we'd better wait until we get a real president first?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, February 14, 2023 06:34:24
    Hello Greg,

    There have been 4 unidentified objects with U.S. Airspace that have been shot down.
    There is nothing clear coming out of Washington, D.C. with anything that is
    realistic. The NORAD commander has alleged it could be Aliens??
    Consider this.
    If it was Aliens, their technology would be of the kind, where our weaponry
    would be useless, as it be would be vastly superior to anything that can be
    produced here on planet Earth. Aliens indeed...
    If it was Aliens what the &$@% would we do if a massive mother-ship were to
    drop down through the covered clouds what then?

    It's not Aliens... It's the Chinese, I say it is time that the U.S. bloodies
    their nose, not War. Just enough to put them back into check who the Big Dogs
    are. Send them a clear message to cut the crap, and if they ever do this again
    or are hard of hearing, then we will do whatever is necessary.

    China has 1.5 billion people. India has 1.5 billion people.
    Indochina has another 1 billion people.
    Put them all together and that is half the world's population.
    How in heaven's blazes are you going to stop such a mass of people
    from doing whatever they want?

    If China gave all those people a stick and told them to start
    marching to the West, nobody would bother to even try to stop them.

    How far did MacArthur get when facing the Chinese in Korea?
    There were just too many of them to count. And they kept coming,
    and coming, and coming ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2023 01:01:47
    On 14 Feb 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    It's not Aliens... It's the Chinese, I say it is time that the U.S. bloodies their nose, not War. Just enough to put them back into check who the Big Dogs are. Send them a clear message to cut the crap, and they ever do this again or are hard of hearing, then we will do whate is necessary.

    I'm with you on that! But don't you think we'd better wait until we get
    a real president first?
    Ultimately Yes, but the danger is that weakness breeds opportunity, this is why the Chinese are testing the waters, to see what the response will be.
    If the Dog will bite or if the Dog has any life within.
    We have the most powerful Military ever assembled on planet earth.
    I think the Chinese have concluded that Joe Biden is nearly lifeless, which leaves our country and everyone within it in very serious danger.
    We do need to return to Peace through Strength.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, February 14, 2023 07:39:54
    Gregory Deyss wrote to All <=-

    It's not Aliens... It's the Chinese

    Regardless of who it is, they are mostly distractions. Whenever I see something like this taking up all the "news", I look for what's not being covered very well.

    Like the train wreck/chemical spill debacle playing out in Ohio right now that's mysteriously not getting any MSM time.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ron L. on Tuesday, February 14, 2023 18:21:21
    On 14 Feb 2023, Ron L. said the following...

    Gregory Deyss wrote to All <=-

    It's not Aliens... It's the Chinese

    Regardless of who it is, they are mostly distractions. Whenever I see something like this taking up all the "news", I look for what's not being covered very well.

    Like the train wreck/chemical spill debacle playing out in Ohio right now that's mysteriously not getting any MSM time.
    Right all that Pete Buttigieg can do is talk about is how there are too many white men on construction crews, and of course calling the design of America's highways racist, if that is not bad enough he will not acknowledge that once these were fine upstanding white communities and that they had the life sucked out of them, now what remains is a rundown cesspool with crime and blight at nearly every corner.

    Let's be honest of course this is no news to you. The only reason why Buttigieg is there in the first place is because Joe owned him a favor, he used to be called pothole pete back when he was the mayor of South Bend. He is as qualified as Hunter Biden was running a gas company that he had no such knowledge of.

    Hunter had no such business being on the board of directors of Burisma
    Holdings Ltd. in the country of Ukraine. Most of us know that the only reason why he was on the board, is because Hunter was selling influence and access to Joe Biden (The Big Guy.)
    These type of things will bubble up to the surface as sure as Nord stream two.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Tuesday, February 14, 2023 17:11:00
    If it was Aliens, their technology would be of the kind, where our weaponry would be useless, as it be would be vastly superior to anything that can be produced here on planet Earth. Aliens indeed...

    Well, I would agree that their "travel tech" would have to be superior to
    ours in order to reach here from too-distant places for us to reach, but
    they might not be prepared for a culture like ours that has built more than enough weapons to defend/destroy itself many times over.

    If it was Aliens what the &$@% would we do if a massive mother-ship were to drop down through the covered clouds what then?

    I am guessing a certain world leader might poo his britches again.

    It's not Aliens... It's the Chinese, I say it is time that the U.S. bloodies their nose, not War. Just enough to put them back into check who the Big Dogs are. Send them a clear message to cut the crap, and if they ever do this
    gain
    or are hard of hearing, then we will do whatever is necessary.

    The first one (which could have been two), and the one over South America
    were almost certainly Chinese. While I would guess these other ones also
    could be, I wonder. They sound a little different in construction to the previous ones.

    I am very curious about what they decide they are, if they ever say.

    In past, if they really thought they were aliens they'd have denied any knowledge of them.

    Ultimately Yes, but the danger is that weakness breeds opportunity, this is why the Chinese are testing the waters, to see what the response will be.

    These more recent "craft" could be someone else testing us after seeing the results of China's test.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Tuesday, February 14, 2023 17:21:00
    Like the train wreck/chemical spill debacle playing out in Ohio right now that's mysteriously not getting any MSM time.

    It has been here, at least last week it was. I have not seen anything in a couple of days about it but, then again, I also didn't watch the news at
    all over the weekend (except the weather forecast) so I could be behind.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, February 15, 2023 05:19:54
    Hello Greg,

    I'm with you on that! But don't you think we'd better wait until we get
    a real president first?

    Ultimately Yes, but the danger is that weakness breeds opportunity, this is
    why the Chinese are testing the waters, to see what the response will be.

    No worries there. The Chinese already found out what Joe Biden will
    do if it even thinks about invading Taiwan.

    If the Dog will bite or if the Dog has any life within.

    Mad Vlad already got a taste of what Joe Biden will do in regards
    to Ukraine.

    We have the most powerful Military ever assembled on planet earth.

    Which is why only the stupid would dare attack our shores.
    Thanks to Joe Biden being in charge of that "most powerful
    Military ever assembled on planet earth."

    I think the Chinese have concluded that Joe Biden is nearly lifeless, which
    leaves our country and everyone within it in very serious danger.

    I do not see any Chinese soldiers anywhere on our soil.

    We do need to return to Peace through Strength.

    How did that work out for Mad Vlad?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, February 15, 2023 07:43:20
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    It has been here, at least last week it was. I have not seen anything
    in a couple of days about it but, then again, I also didn't watch the
    news at all over the weekend (except the weather forecast) so I could
    be behind.

    The initial wreck was covered, but as they did the "controlled burn to
    prevent an explosion" and started to contaminate the area's air and water supply, the reporting stopped.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, February 15, 2023 07:43:20
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Right all that Pete Buttigieg can do is talk about is how there are too many white men on construction crews, and of course calling the design
    of America's highways racist, if that is not bad enough he will not acknowledge that once these were fine upstanding white communities and that they had the life sucked out of them, now what remains is a
    rundown cesspool with crime and blight at nearly every corner.

    You know, I'm kinda wondering why we don't hear more about how the highway system sucked the life out of downdowns. Oh, wait... The minorities
    weren't living there when that happened. So it doesn't fit their narrative.

    Let's be honest of course this is no news to you. The only reason why Buttigieg is there in the first place is because Joe owned him a favor,
    he used to be called pothole pete back when he was the mayor of South Bend. He is as qualified as Hunter Biden was running a gas company that
    he had no such knowledge of.

    None of these appointees in the current regime are there because they are competent for the job and they will tow the Narrative.


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  • From Real User@1:103/705 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, February 15, 2023 09:08:35
    On 2023-02-14, Gregory Deyss <gregory.deyss@1> wrote:

    There have been 4 unidentified objects with U.S. Airspace that have been
    shot down.
    There is nothing clear coming out of Washington, D.C. with anything that is realistic. The NORAD commander has alleged it could be Aliens??
    Consider this.
    If it was Aliens, their technology would be of the kind, where our weaponry would be useless, as it be would be vastly superior to anything that can be produced here on planet Earth. Aliens indeed...
    If it was Aliens what the &$@% would we do if a massive mother-ship were to drop down through the covered clouds what then?

    It's not Aliens... It's the Chinese, I say it is time that the U.S. bloodies their nose, not War. Just enough to put them back into check who the Big Dogs are. Send them a clear message to cut the crap, and if they ever do this again
    or are hard of hearing, then we will do whatever is necessary.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Wednesday, February 15, 2023 16:43:00
    It has been here, at least last week it was. I have not seen anything
    in a couple of days about it but, then again, I also didn't watch the news at all over the weekend (except the weather forecast) so I could
    be behind.

    The initial wreck was covered, but as they did the "controlled burn to prevent an explosion" and started to contaminate the area's air and water supply, the reporting stopped.

    It was still making the morning news here. More specifically, the
    criticism from the locals for the situation you describe was making the
    news here.

    Granted, it was not a lead story and you had to be paying attention to
    catch it!


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wednesday, February 15, 2023 16:45:00
    Let's be honest of course this is no news to you. The only reason why
    uttigie
    is there in the first place is because Joe owned him a favor, he used to be called pothole pete back when he was the mayor of South Bend. He is as qualified as Hunter Biden was running a gas company that he had no such knowledge of.

    I know some Hoosiers who still call him Pothole Pete.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, February 15, 2023 13:25:22
    I'm with you on that! But don't you think we'd better wait until we g a real president first?
    Ultimately Yes, but the danger is that weakness breeds opportunity,
    this is why the Chinese are testing the waters, to see what the response will be. If the Dog will bite or if the Dog has any life within.
    We have the most powerful Military ever assembled on planet earth.
    I think the Chinese have concluded that Joe Biden is nearly lifeless, which leaves our country and everyone within it in very serious danger.
    We do need to return to Peace through Strength.

    I hope they're only testing us, but I worry that the test is complete, and
    that they could be in a planning phase already.

    If so, they've got until January of 2025 to pull of 'the big heist.'

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, February 15, 2023 13:36:39
    why the Chinese are testing the waters, to see what the response will

    No worries there. The Chinese already found out what Joe Biden will
    do if it even thinks about invading Taiwan.

    Joe's "close personal friend" knows that Joe will follow orders from higher levels of management (Putin, Xi, Soros, Winfrey, etc.)

    Taiwan is probably just a distaction; the USA is what they really want. It's more profitable than Taiwan, and probably even easier to acquire at the moment.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, February 16, 2023 22:11:39
    Hello Aaron,

    [..]

    We have the most powerful Military ever assembled on planet earth.
    I think the Chinese have concluded that Joe Biden is nearly lifeless,
    which leaves our country and everyone within it in very serious danger.
    We do need to return to Peace through Strength.

    Dr. Strangelove should have been put out to pasture decades ago.

    I hope they're only testing us, but I worry that the test is complete, and that they could be in a planning phase already.

    All it takes is for one moron to press the Big Red Button and it is
    all over. Doesn't really matter which moron.

    If so, they've got until January of 2025 to pull of 'the big heist.'

    Only the President of the United States of America has the authority
    to act alone in pressing the Big Red Button. Not even Mad Vlad can do
    that in his Russian Empire.

    Good thing President Biden is not criminally insane.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, February 16, 2023 22:11:44
    Hello Aaron,

    why the Chinese are testing the waters, to see what the response
    will

    No worries there. The Chinese already found out what Joe Biden will
    do if it even thinks about invading Taiwan.

    Joe's "close personal friend" knows that Joe will follow orders from higher
    levels of management (Putin, Xi, Soros, Winfrey, etc.)

    Trump did nothing while at least three Chinese spy balloons flew over
    US airspace. Biden had multiple Chinese spy balloons shot down, making
    sure the people of this country are safe from hostile acts, regardless
    of what they are and where they came from.

    Taiwan is probably just a distaction; the USA is what they really want. It's more profitable than Taiwan, and probably even easier to acquire at the
    moment.

    If Trump was president, Russia would be in Kiev. And Zelenskyy would
    be either in a Russian gulag, or dead. Taiwan would be renamed Taipei,
    and be a province in China, where the people have no rights (except
    to breathe the air around them).

    But that is not the case. Biden is president, and Ukrainians are
    free. Taiwanese are free. And Americans are free. As Louis Armstrong
    would say (or sing), what a wonderful world.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, February 17, 2023 10:57:58
    Joe's "close personal friend" knows that Joe will follow orders from higher
    levels of management (Putin, Xi, Soros, Winfrey, etc.)

    Trump did nothing while at least three Chinese spy balloons flew over

    Hello: This is about Biden, not Trump. Blaming Biden's failures on Trump is hilarious, but not logical.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, February 18, 2023 14:11:04
    Hello Aaron,

    Joe's "close personal friend" knows that Joe will follow orders
    from
    higher
    levels of management (Putin, Xi, Soros, Winfrey, etc.)

    Trump did nothing while at least three Chinese spy balloons flew over

    Hello: This is about Biden, not Trump.

    Competence vs Incompetence.

    Blaming Biden's failures on Trump is hilarious, but not logical.

    Biden (Competence) popped every balloon in sight, including $12 hobby
    balloons, with $400,000 missiles fired from F22 fighter aircraft.

    This was done as an "abundance of caution" - making sure no American
    would be harmed by undocumented aliens or whatever they are.

    Trump (Incompetence) chose to allow every balloon there is to fly
    over US airspace without firing a single shot, thus allowing those
    body snatchers to take over as some of us.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, February 18, 2023 08:47:54
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Hello: This is about Biden, not Trump. Blaming Biden's failures on
    Trump is hilarious, but not logical.

    But remember that Lee is off his meds and still has Trump Derangement Syndrome.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, February 18, 2023 16:22:12
    Biden (Competence) popped every balloon in sight, including $12 hobby balloons, with $400,000 missiles fired from F22 fighter aircraft.

    Joe sold surveillance of our nuclear silos to China. I know that Trump has an annoying accent, but Joe has an annoying tendency to sell his influence and whatever else isn't bolted to the floor.

    Trump (Incompetence) chose to allow every balloon there is to fly
    over US airspace without firing a single shot, thus allowing those
    body snatchers to take over as some of us.

    Ok, let's see the footage of all those "Trump-era spy balloons." Turn me into
    a believer.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Saturday, February 18, 2023 16:28:05
    Hello: This is about Biden, not Trump. Blaming Biden's failures on Trump is hilarious, but not logical.

    But remember that Lee is off his meds and still has Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    He's got photos of Trump that not even Ted Nugent would want to see.

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