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    From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, April 03, 2021 17:56:58

    Wait, so you believe that Biden's "foggy brain" makes this an issue, but also believe that this is proof of Biden's "foggy brain?" What kind of circular logic is that?
    1.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_6BhfTDw4Q
    time index 17:49 - 18:00
    "If you hold near and dear to you that you uh um like to be able to um...." Biden said, before concluding "anyway."

    Biden then closed his eyes and appeared to struggle to form the next sentence.

    However, after seconds of confusion, he quickly told reassured viewers "we're ready to get a lot done."

    He then appeared to call out a name from a list of White House reporters who were quizzing the president.

    Going back to his list at a later point of the conference, Biden asked "where am I" before asking CNN's Kaitlan Collins for another question.

    2.
    Look at this for yourself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_6BhfTDw4Q
    time index 15:50 - 16:00

    "just when I came to the United States Senate 120 years ago" said Biden

    Wait, what? 120 Years ago? he does not look like he is from the planet
    Vulcan.

    "Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose -and excluding that which is painful.
    Spock - TOS

    Biden is not the only one with this particular speaking style, and he
    also has a history of dealing with a speech impediment. Even so, he is
    much more coherent than Trump ever was.

    Defending this, as a particular speaking style, when it is really a sign of confusion is a tell tale sign of just how delusional the left is.

    Referring to Joe Biden: You're the leader of the Free World, of the m powerful nation on the face of the planet and with the world watching your going to sound like this?
    Trump blathered like an idiot.

    Then you were not listening very well, because his words were put into motion with many promises kept.

    There is something wrong with Joe:
    speaking like he does with brain fog, disorientation and confusion is far from normal. Nor is it remotely acceptable for the President of t United States of America to sound like this.

    I am not too worried about it. I think his cabinet is infinitely more capable than Trump's was of determining when the POTUS has had it, and
    when he *has* had it, if that occurs during his elected term, Harris is there to pick up the reins. And, as a bonus, that would also make Harris the incumbent in the next presidential election. As it is, though, Biden has done nothing controversial to indicate that his mental faculties are
    a problem except for the fact that you don't approve of his speech patterns.

    Kamala Harris picking up the reins?

    The Constitution says that a vice-president must meet the same eligibility requirements as the president: "[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to
    the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." Article II of the Constitution specifies "[n]o person except
    a natural born citizen...shall be eligible to the office of President."

    Senator Kamala Harris is not, from a constitutional standpoint, a
    natural-born citizen of the United States. She was born on American soil, but that's not enough to qualify for birthright citizenship. Here is the actual language of the 14th Amendment (emphasis mine throughout):All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. It's' not enough just to be born on U.S. soil. You must both be born on U.S. soil and be subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

    His cabinet? You seem to be wanting to be a glutton for punishment.
    So be it.

    Biden named Pete Buttigieg to lead the Transportation Department, making him the first openly LGBTQ person nominated to a permanent Cabinet position.

    Biden selects transgender doctor Rachel Levine as assistant health secretary Maybe we should just call him Richard.

    Kamala Harris likes to call herself an African-American woman, but her mother was born in India, and her father was born in Jamaica.

    These people were selected based on their sexual orientation or their race, they were not selected on their character or their brilliance.

    The conservative base isn't going anywhere, but the Trump base will
    shrink (and is already shrinking).

    That's is wishful thinking on your part, stating this does not make it so.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, April 03, 2021 17:26:14
    This one does indeed seem to be longer than the previous one.

    On 03 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Kamala Harris picking up the reins?

    The Constitution says that a vice-president must meet the same
    eligibility requirements as the president: "[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." Article II of the Constitution specifies "[n]o person except a natural born citizen...shall be eligible to the office of President."

    Senator Kamala Harris is not, from a constitutional standpoint, a natural-born citizen of the United States. She was born on American
    soil, but that's not enough to qualify for birthright citizenship. Here
    is the actual language of the 14th Amendment (emphasis mine throughout):All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
    and of the State wherein they reside. It's' not enough just to be born
    on U.S. soil. You must both be born on U.S. soil and be subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

    Why do you say that she is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Are you saying that she could commit crimes and no one could do anything about it?

    His cabinet? You seem to be wanting to be a glutton for punishment.
    So be it.

    Far better than Trump's.

    Biden named Pete Buttigieg to lead the Transportation Department, making him the first openly LGBTQ person nominated to a permanent Cabinet position.

    And?

    Biden selects transgender doctor Rachel Levine as assistant health secretary Maybe we should just call him Richard.

    And?

    Kamala Harris likes to call herself an African-American woman, but her mother was born in India, and her father was born in Jamaica.

    I'm a German-American, from a German-dominant town, but my mom had no German
    in her. Back in the day, something like 1/64 African blood was enough for someone to be considered (in a bad way) an African-American.

    These people were selected based on their sexual orientation or their race, they were not selected on their character or their brilliance.

    That's an odd statement. Buttegieg does have experience in government (moreso than, say, Trump or DeVos. Assistant Secretary of Health seems like a good position to be filled by a doctor and former Physician General of
    Pennsylvania. And Kamala Harris, in addition to receiving presidential nomination votes of her own, has qualifications as San Francisco DA,
    California AG, and United States Senator.

    On the contrary, it seems to be you who is attempting to disqualify them by pointing out their sexual orientation or race.

    The conservative base isn't going anywhere, but the Trump base will shrink (and is already shrinking).

    That's is wishful thinking on your part, stating this does not make it
    so.

    It is. Trump is out of the picture. If there is anyone who supported him
    before but does not now, that's evidence of shrinkage. And there is plenty of that.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, April 04, 2021 00:38:02
    On 04-03-21 17:56, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about missing transmission <=-

    Kamala Harris picking up the reins?

    Senator Kamala Harris is not, from a constitutional standpoint, a

    Yes she is a natural born citizen of the USA.

    natural-born citizen of the United States. She was born on American
    soil, but that's not enough to qualify for birthright citizenship. Here
    is the actual language of the 14th Amendment (emphasis mine throughout):All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
    and of the State wherein they reside. It's' not enough just to be born
    on U.S. soil. You must both be born on U.S. soil and be subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

    So just why are you claiming that she was not subject to the
    jurisdiction of the USA. She was. That clause really is there for
    foreign ambassadors and the like.

    Biden named Pete Buttigieg to lead the Transportation Department,
    making him the first openly LGBTQ person nominated to a permanent
    Cabinet position.
    Biden selects transgender doctor Rachel Levine as assistant health secretary Maybe we should just call him Richard.

    I.e. your objection to these two people is because of their sexual
    orientation or gender identification. What does that have to do with
    their qualifications for office?

    Kamala Harris likes to call herself an African-American woman, but her mother was born in India, and her father was born in Jamaica.

    Her father was a black man. She grew up as part Indian and part black.
    What is your point?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:3634/12 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 04, 2021 07:57:45
    Why do you say that she is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Are you saying that she could commit crimes and no one could do anything about it?

    I am saying based on the Constitution she has no right to the office that
    she is not in which is the office of the Vice-President.

    Biden named Pete Buttigieg to lead the Transportation Department, mak
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, April 04, 2021 12:27:16
    On 04 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    I am saying based on the Constitution she has no right to the office that she is not in which is the office of the Vice-President.

    How is she disqualified? You seem to think that she is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but why?

    Biden named Pete Buttigieg to lead the Transportation Department,

    This is another incomplete message. This is where it ended.

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 05, 2021 01:07:06
    On 04-04-21 07:57, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: missing transmission <=-


    Why do you say that she is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States? Are you saying that she could commit crimes and no one could do anything about it?

    I am saying based on the Constitution she has no right to the office
    that she is not in which is the office of the Vice-President.

    You are wrong.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 05, 2021 14:03:25
    Hello Greg,


    Wait, so you believe that Biden's "foggy brain" makes this an issue,
    but
    also believe that this is proof of Biden's "foggy brain?" What kind of
    circular logic is that?
    1.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_6BhfTDw4Q
    time index 17:49 - 18:00
    "If you hold near and dear to you that you uh um like to be able to um...."
    Biden said, before concluding "anyway."

    Biden then closed his eyes and appeared to struggle to form the next sentence.

    However, after seconds of confusion, he quickly told reassured viewers "we're
    ready to get a lot done."

    He then appeared to call out a name from a list of White House reporters who
    were quizzing the president.

    Going back to his list at a later point of the conference, Biden asked "where
    am I" before asking CNN's Kaitlan Collins for another question.

    2.
    Look at this for yourself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_6BhfTDw4Q
    time index 15:50 - 16:00

    "just when I came to the United States Senate 120 years ago" said Biden

    Wait, what? 120 Years ago? he does not look like he is from the planet Vulcan.

    "Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose -and excluding that which is painful.
    Spock - TOS

    Biden is not the only one with this particular speaking style, and he
    also has a history of dealing with a speech impediment. Even so, he is
    much more coherent than Trump ever was.

    Defending this, as a particular speaking style, when it is really a sign of
    confusion is a tell tale sign of just how delusional the left is.

    Referring to Joe Biden: You're the leader of the Free World, of
    the m
    powerful nation on the face of the planet and with the world
    watching
    your going to sound like this?
    Trump blathered like an idiot.

    Then you were not listening very well, because his words were put into motion
    with many promises kept.

    There is something wrong with Joe:
    speaking like he does with brain fog, disorientation and confusion
    is
    far from normal. Nor is it remotely acceptable for the President
    of t
    United States of America to sound like this.

    I am not too worried about it. I think his cabinet is infinitely more
    capable than Trump's was of determining when the POTUS has had it, and
    when he *has* had it, if that occurs during his elected term, Harris is
    there to pick up the reins. And, as a bonus, that would also make
    Harris
    the incumbent in the next presidential election. As it is, though,
    Biden
    has done nothing controversial to indicate that his mental faculties
    are
    a problem except for the fact that you don't approve of his speech
    patterns.















    Kamala Harris picking up the reins?

    The Constitution says that a vice-president must meet the same eligibility requirements as the president: "[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." Article II of the Constitution specifies "[n]o person except
    a natural born citizen...shall be eligible to the office of President."

    Senator Kamala Harris is not, from a constitutional standpoint, a natural-born citizen of the United States. She was born on American soil, but that's not enough to qualify for birthright citizenship.

    The term "natural born citizen" is mentioned *one* time in the US
    Constution. And is not defined.

    Of course, Kamala Harris was naturally born. Just like Barack Obama.
    Neither having been cloned, or being a test-tube baby. Since the term
    was never defined by the Framers of the Constitution, I am sure most
    folks understand what they meant.

    Here is the actual language of the 14th Amendment (emphasis mine throughout):All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. It's' not
    enough just to be born on U.S. soil. You must both be born on U.S. soil and
    be subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

    So, according to the 14th Amendment, you are saying Ted Cruz
    is not eligible to run for president.

    His cabinet? You seem to be wanting to be a glutton for punishment.
    So be it.

    Since no person who is inelible to run for president will be able
    to be elected president, that person will never be making any
    nominations for anybody to serve in his/her cabinet.

    Biden named Pete Buttigieg to lead the Transportation Department, making him
    the first openly LGBTQ person nominated to a permanent Cabinet position.

    Biden selects transgender doctor Rachel Levine as assistant health secretary
    Maybe we should just call him Richard.

    By your own words -

    * you hate 'anchor babies' - especially those of color
    * you hate gays - regardless of color
    * you hate transgender - regarless of sexusl orientation

    With that in mind, is there anybody you like?

    Kamala Harris likes to call herself an African-American woman, but her mother was born in India, and her father was born in Jamaica.

    Kamala Harris calls herself an American.
    What do you call yourself?

    These people were selected based on their sexual orientation or their race,
    they were not selected on their character or their brilliance.

    Donald J. Trump was selected because he is a racist and a bigot.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 05, 2021 14:03:54
    Hello Gregory,

    Why do you say that she is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United
    States? Are you saying that she could commit crimes and no one could do
    anything about it?

    I am saying based on the Constitution she has no right to the office that she is not in which is the office of the Vice-President.

    Kamala Harris and Piyush "Bobby" Jindal are both anchor babies. How
    does that make either of them ineligible for the office of President
    or the Office of Vice President? According to the Constitution, not
    somebody's overactive imagination.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Monday, April 05, 2021 14:04:03
    Hello Dale,

    Kamala Harris picking up the reins?

    Senator Kamala Harris is not, from a constitutional standpoint, a

    Yes she is a natural born citizen of the USA.

    She is an anchor baby. Just like Piyush "Bobby" Jindal.
    What a hoot it would be if Harris and Jindal both win the
    presidential nomination of their respective parties, in
    the same year. With both of them being Indian, we could
    annex India as part of the USA. As well as Jamaica.

    natural-born citizen of the United States. She was born on GD>American
    soil, but that's not enough to qualify for birthright GD>citizenship.

    Kamala Harris ran for the presidential nomination of her party
    in 2020.

    Piyush "Bobby" Jindal ran for the presidential nomination of his
    party in 2016.

    Both were anchor babies. And will remain anchor babies until the
    day they die.

    Both were qualified to run for their party's nomination.
    One of them was actually elected vice president. So I presume
    the other one was just as qualified. As well as for president.

    Here is the actual language of the 14th Amendment (emphasis mine
    throughout):

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
    subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
    and of the State wherein they reside. It's' not enough just to be born
    on U.S. soil. You must both be born on U.S. soil and be subject to the
    jurisdiction thereof.

    So what is a "natural born citizen"? I could find only one mention
    of it in the US Constitution. And not in the 14th Amendment.

    Barack Obama was falsely accused of having been born in Kenya.
    Who would ever say such a thing? Donald J. Trump. And we all know
    how much he loves foreigners. Especially those who are both Muslim
    and black.

    So just why are you claiming that she was not subject to the
    jurisdiction of the USA. She was. That clause really is there for foreign ambassadors and the like.

    Please. Harris is black. Or brown. Depending on POV.
    Jindal is brown, definitely not white.
    And Obama is both black and white, at the same time.

    Biden named Pete Buttigieg to lead the Transportation Department,
    making him the first openly LGBTQ person nominated to a permanent
    Cabinet position.
    Biden selects transgender doctor Rachel Levine as assistant health
    secretary Maybe we should just call him Richard.

    At least Obama is not gay and has two daughters to prove it.

    I.e. your objection to these two people is because of their sexual orientation or gender identification. What does that have to do with their qualifications for office?

    Two of them are anchor babies and the other one is from Kenya.

    Kamala Harris likes to call herself an African-American woman, but her
    mother was born in India, and her father was born in Jamaica.

    Her father was a black man. She grew up as part Indian and part black. What is your point?

    Obama was born in Kenya, his father being a black Muslim. Then
    his parents split up. From there he was raised in Indonesia by his
    step-father, another Muslim. When his mother and his step-father
    split up, he moved in with his white grandparents in Hawaii. Our
    country's first black president, as well as our country's first
    Muslim president. What a great combination.

    Of course, this all drove Donald J. Trump nuts. And you know the
    rest of the story.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Monday, April 05, 2021 12:01:15
    On 05 Apr 2021, Dale Shipp said the following...

    585
    On 04-04-21 07:57, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: missing transmission <=-


    Why do you say that she is not subject to the jurisdiction of the Uni States? Are you saying that she could commit crimes and no one could anything about it?

    I am saying based on the Constitution she has no right to the office that she is not in which is the office of the Vice-President.

    You are wrong.

    This was not my opinion, this was found on the Internet, with some
    understands how the constitution works, not someone that wants to twist the constitution to fit their argument, so that their political remains free from wrong doing.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 01:17:00
    On 04-05-21 12:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: missing transmission <=-

    I am saying based on the Constitution she has no right to the office
    that she is not in which is the office of the Vice-President.

    You are wrong.

    This was not my opinion, this was found on the Internet, with some understands how the constitution works, not someone that wants to
    twist the constitution to fit their argument, so that their political remains free from wrong doing.

    Not everything you read on the internet is the truth. One needs to
    verify with more than one source, and to be wary of sources that tend to
    spread rumors or conspiracy theories. It does not matter that Kamala's
    parents were not USA citizens at the time of her birth. It only matters
    that she was born in the USA. There are sources who are confusing a
    ruling that children born outside of the USA must have parents who are
    USA citizens in order to be considered a natural-born citizen. That is irrelevant in Kamala's case.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 08:12:39
    On 06 Apr 2021, Dale Shipp said the following...

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    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: missing transmission <=-

    I am saying based on the Constitution she has no right to the office that she is not in which is the office of the Vice-President.

    You are wrong.

    This was not my opinion, this was found on the Internet, with some understands how the constitution works, not someone that wants to twist the constitution to fit their argument, so that their political remains free from wrong doing.

    Not everything you read on the internet is the truth. One needs to
    verify with more than one source, and to be wary of sources that tend to spread rumors or conspiracy theories. It does not matter that Kamala's parents were not USA citizens at the time of her birth. It only matters that she was born in the USA. There are sources who are confusing a ruling that children born outside of the USA must have parents who are
    USA citizens in order to be considered a natural-born citizen. That is irrelevant in Kamala's case.

    I think that this at the very least requires verification and certification before the subject is forgotten. I do not think what you have said here is
    the end of it, not by a long shot.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 08:48:52
    On 06 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Not everything you read on the internet is the truth. One needs to verify with more than one source, and to be wary of sources that tend spread rumors or conspiracy theories. It does not matter that Kamala parents were not USA citizens at the time of her birth. It only matt that she was born in the USA. There are sources who are confusing a ruling that children born outside of the USA must have parents who ar USA citizens in order to be considered a natural-born citizen. That irrelevant in Kamala's case.

    I think that this at the very least requires verification and certification before the subject is forgotten. I do not think what you have said here is the end of it, not by a long shot.

    What needs clarification and certification?

    That Kamala Harris was born in the US? It's a matter of record that she was born in Oakland, CA. Where do you claim that she was born?

    That you're mistaken in your interpretation of the Constitution? Your faulty interpretation of the Constitution does not affect her eligibility one way or the other and she should not have to wait for you to realize your error.

    There was a specific class of immigrant that was once prohibited from ever becoming a citizen: Chinese immigrants, via the Chinese Exclusion Act of
    1882, which was extended by other legislation until 1942.

    In 1873, two Chinese immigrants gave birth to a son named Wong Kim Ark. He
    was born in the US and lived in the US all of his life, although his parents eventually returned to China. He went to visit them when he was in his teens without incident, but when he visited his parents as a young adult in 1895,
    he was refused re-entry to the US due to the Chinese Exclusion Act.

    Long story short, his case went all the way to the Supreme Court (US v. Wong Kim Ark) and the SCOTUS decided based upon the Constitution and the 14th amendment that he was indeed a US citizen by birth.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 22:04:18
    I think that this at the very least requires verification and certification before the subject is forgotten. I do not think what yo have said here is the end of it, not by a long shot.

    What needs clarification and certification?

    That Kamala Harris was born in the US? It's a matter of record that she was born in Oakland, CA. Where do you claim that she was born?

    That you're mistaken in your interpretation of the Constitution? Your faulty interpretation of the Constitution does not affect her
    eligibility one way or the other and she should not have to wait for you to realize your error.

    It's not MY error as you so eagerly and so fondly like to point out.
    It's all over the internet.

    This is the website https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/08/kamala-harris-is-not-eligible-to- be-vice-president-of-the-united-states/

    as well as https://thenewamerican.com/kamala-harris-is-not-qualified-to-be-vice-president/

    as well as https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/big-legal-expert-claims-kamala-harris- doesnt-qualify-vice-presidency-replaced/

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, April 06, 2021 21:42:07
    On 06 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    It's not MY error as you so eagerly and so fondly like to point out.
    It's all over the internet.

    This is the website https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/08/kamala-harris-is-not-eligibl be-vice-president-of-the-united-states/

    The problem here is that the author of this article has tried to make
    "subject to the jurisdiction of" mean "owes ultimate allegiance to," which is not the case.

    For example, people who cross the southern border without permission are very much under the jurisdiction of the US once they do, no matter who they ultimately owe their allegiance to.

    Rookie error.

    as well as https://thenewamerican.com/kamala-harris-is-not-qualified-to-be-vice-presi

    This one takes a tortured path to reach the same incorrect conclusion, and completely ignores United States v. Wong Kim Ark, in which the Supreme Court ruled that someone who was born of parents who were not - and could never be
    - United States citizens is a United States citizen by birth alone.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/big-legal-expert-claims-kamala-ha doesnt-qualify-vice-presidency-replaced/

    This also confuses jurisdiction with allegiance.

    You know who else thinks that allegiance defines jurisdiction? "Sovereign Citizen" wackos think that if they denounce their allegiance to the
    government, the government has no jurisdiction over their lives. So far that theory hasn't been working out too well for them. You're making the same mistake here.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, April 07, 2021 07:16:10
    On 06 Apr 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    230
    On 06 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    It's not MY error as you so eagerly and so fondly like to point out. It's all over the internet.

    This is the website https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/08/kamala-harris-is-not-el be-vice-president-of-the-united-states/

    The problem here is that the author of this article has tried to make "subject to the jurisdiction of" mean "owes ultimate allegiance to,"
    which is not the case.

    For example, people who cross the southern border without permission are very much under the jurisdiction of the US once they do, no matter who they ultimately owe their allegiance to.

    Rookie error.

    as well as https://thenewamerican.com/kamala-harris-is-not-qualified-to-be-vice-

    This one takes a tortured path to reach the same incorrect conclusion,
    and completely ignores United States v. Wong Kim Ark, in which the
    Supreme Court ruled that someone who was born of parents who were not - and could never be - United States citizens is a United States citizen
    by birth alone.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/big-legal-expert-claims-kama doesnt-qualify-vice-presidency-replaced/

    This also confuses jurisdiction with allegiance.

    You know who else thinks that allegiance defines jurisdiction? "Sovereign Citizen" wackos think that if they denounce their allegiance to the government, the government has no jurisdiction over their lives. So far that theory hasn't been working out too well for them. You're making the same mistake here.

    If something should happen to Biden, then your going to wishing that one of the above means was applied to remove her from office. Nancy Pelosi would then become the Vice President at least at this moment.

    She was not effective as a candidate for President, so much so that she
    dropped out of the race. She might want to calm down and not get so upset
    that she is living out of suitcases. Better keep those bags backed.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, April 07, 2021 08:43:31
    On 07 Apr 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    You know who else thinks that allegiance defines jurisdiction? "Sover Citizen" wackos think that if they denounce their allegiance to the government, the government has no jurisdiction over their lives. So f that theory hasn't been working out too well for them. You're making same mistake here.
    If something should happen to Biden, then your going to wishing that one of the above means was applied to remove her from office. Nancy Pelosi would then become the Vice President at least at this moment.

    That may be true, or it may not be, but it has absolutely zero bearing on Harris' actual eligibility.

    She was not effective as a candidate for President, so much so that she dropped out of the race. She might want to calm down and not get so upset that she is living out of suitcases. Better keep those bags backed.

    Again, this has zero bearing on her eligibility.

    Jeff.

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