• Peaceful Protesters attac

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALL on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 15:57:00
    More "peaceful protesting" from a group that supposedly does not exist.
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    https://nypost.com/2020/10/13/ owner-says-portland-restaurant-was-shot-at-for-being-pro-police/

    A restaurant in Portland, Ore., had been warned that "something" would happen to it because of their apparent pro-police stance before someone shot through the windows days later, a report said.

    [...]
    Jackson, who is black, said the vandals don't know who he is or what his restaurant stands for.

    "We are pro heroes, any hero -- whether it's a teacher, a firefighter, a police officer or a vet," Jackson told the newspaper.

    "We're very American in nature. I served in the military. We're red, white and blue. Whatever side you're on, you have a right to believe what you believe, but you don't have a right to step on whatever you disagree with. We kind of felt like we're neutral," he added.
    ***

    I think that is his problem. He is "red, white, and blue," which is very offensive to these non-existent peaceful protesters.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, October 13, 2020 17:27:20
    More "peaceful protesting" from a group that supposedly does not exist.
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    https://nypost.com/2020/10/13/ owner-says-portland-restaurant-was-shot-at-for-being-pro-police/

    A restaurant in Portland, Ore., had been warned that "something" would happen to it because of their apparent pro-police stance before someone shot through the windows days later, a report said.

    I don't think we can assume anything based on this incident. Someone, no body knows who, said "something" was going to happen because...

    I can only wonder who that was and what the real reason for an attack on an innocent person/establishment.

    This sounds/looks like an act of vandalism, not protesting.

    This kind of extremism is a problem, not a solution.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 15:53:00
    This sounds/looks like an act of vandalism, not protesting.

    Except that it happened during the Columbus Day Eve "Day of Rage" in
    Portland, which was called for by one of your groups that don't exist.

    Google "Day of Rage Portland." There is an orgegonlive article there, but
    it appears to be behind a paywall so I didn't link it but you can get
    around it if you are using the links2 browser.

    In addition to vandalizing this guy's business, they also vandalized the
    Oregon Historical Society, Portland State University, several other businesses in the area, and toppled statues of Teddy Roosevelt and Abe Lincoln. As a "group" has taken responsibility for the "event," you can't call it a
    singular act of vandalism.

    It also mentioned a protest from earlier in the day by a right-wing group
    and notes that "no crimes were reported and no arrests were made" during
    that earlier event.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 16:45:14
    Except that it happened during the Columbus Day Eve "Day of Rage" in Portland, which was called for by one of your groups that don't exist.

    These groups do exist as can be clearly seen. Antifa is not a group.

    It seems there are many anarchist and anti fascist groups in portland and the word antifa comes up but it is still not a group.

    Quote from the Daily Wire..

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/portlands-day-of-rage-reveals-citys-lack-of-cont rol-over-anti-fascist-rioters

    The group, which seems oddly similar to nearly every other "anarchist" or "anti-fascist" Portland organization, released a vague mission statement -- "We stand to decolonize ourselves and decolonize society by working to abolish colonial systems rooted in racism and build a community rooted in liberation"
    -- and called for the abolition of law enforcement, prisons, and capitalism.

    End quote. This is not left wing. It is extremism and it is a problem.

    Google "Day of Rage Portland." There is an orgegonlive article there, but
    it appears to be behind a paywall so I didn't link it but you can get
    around it if you are using the links2 browser.

    It was an indiginous day of rage. I don't know what this indiginous rage is all about but this is a different situation from the current unrest around civil rights and police brutality.

    In addition to vandalizing this guy's business, they also vandalized the
    Oregon Historical Society, Portland State University, several other businesses
    in the area, and toppled statues of Teddy Roosevelt and Abe Lincoln. As a "group" has taken responsibility for the "event," you can't call it a singular act of vandalism.

    Indeed, this is a problem that needs to be solved.

    It also mentioned a protest from earlier in the day by a right-wing group
    and notes that "no crimes were reported and no arrests were made" during
    that earlier event.

    Right wing extremism is the greatest terror threat.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-4 09236

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 20:15:37
    On 14 Oct 20 16:45:14, Alan Ianson said the following to Mike Powell:

    "We stand to decolonize ourselves and decolonize society by working to abol colonial systems rooted in racism and build a community rooted in liberatio -- and called for the abolition of law enforcement, prisons, and capitalism

    End quote. This is not left wing. It is extremism and it is a problem.

    Al, please educate us deplorables about your definition of left versus right.

    Its either left or right wing extremism. You can't be a little bit pregnant.

    If you believe the "protests" in Portland are not left wing, then you're
    really losing a lot of respect and venturing into troll territory by
    quoting the Daily Wire's reporting as an example of right-wing extremism.

    The abolition of law enforcement, prisons and capitalism are ideas that make
    up the Green New Deal, the highschool-level utopian magical feel-good unicorns-and-flowers cowfart-free storybook being worshipped by many leftists, Democrats, children and others lacking basic common sense.

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 17:39:04
    Al, please educate us deplorables about your definition of left versus right.

    The problems we face now are not left vs right or republican vs democrat.

    Its either left or right wing extremism. You can't be a little bit pregnant.

    It's exremism yes, but vandalizing a cafe because "they are pro police" is not left, it is something else.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 20:17:50
    Right wing extremism is the greatest terror threat.

    In some countries, the right wing is the nasty ones.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:27:00
    The group, which seems oddly similar to nearly every other "anarchist" or "anti
    fascist" Portland organization, released a vague mission statement -- "We stand
    to decolonize ourselves and decolonize society by working to abolish colonial s
    stems rooted in racism and build a community rooted in liberation"
    -- and called for the abolition of law enforcement, prisons, and capitalism.

    End quote. This is not left wing. It is extremism and it is a problem.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issues_in_anarchism

    "Anarchism is often considered a far-left ideology and much of its economics and legal philosophy reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism, mutualism, or participatory economics."

    Anarchism is left wing, so it is left-wing extremism, just like nearly
    every other "non-violent but really is" protest that has been going on this year. There are some folks who are there protesting police brutality or
    some other social justice cause that makes sense to a lot of liberal
    thinkers, but the ones using that as an opportunity to cause trouble are not. For them, tearing down statues is symbolism for tearing down society as a whole.

    The only way to fix the issues they supposedly want fixed is to master time travel. I say that sarcastically a LOT but it really applies here. I was taught in school that some of the things that lead us to the benefits we experience now as a society were things that were not good at the time they happened. The lesson is not to repeat them... you cannot go back in time
    and undo them.

    Well, master time travel or accept anarchy. Anarchy is on the left side of
    the spectrum. I get the impression neither of us want to accept anarchy.

    Sometimes people need to grow up, accept things by learning not to repeat
    them, and move on. Throwing a tantrum instead of growing up seems to be
    the default path of younger folks these days.

    It was an indiginous day of rage. I don't know what this indiginous rage is all
    about but this is a different situation from the current unrest around civil ri
    hts and police brutality.

    No it really isn't and, even if it was, that doesn't make the actions right
    for one group and not for the other. They are not right, period.

    Right wing extremism is the greatest terror threat.

    Just because politico or DHS or you have said it is true does not make it so. Provide examples of similar destruction beyond an individual scale in 2020.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, October 15, 2020 14:05:08
    Right wing extremism is the greatest terror threat.

    In some countries, the right wing is the nasty ones.

    That is true. Extremism has found a place in Donald Trump's America.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, October 15, 2020 18:38:15
    Right wing extremism is the greatest terror threat.

    In some countries, the right wing is the nasty ones.

    That is true. Extremism has found a place in Donald Trump's America.

    That's why we got to stop these far-left Democrats.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Mike Powell on Thursday, October 15, 2020 18:08:28
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issues_in_anarchism

    Also see this link on that page.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issues_in_anarchism#Left_and_right_anarchism

    Anarchy could happen in the left or right.

    Anarchism is left wing, so it is left-wing extremism

    I don't see that.

    It was an indiginous day of rage. I don't know what this indiginous rage is >> all about but this is a different situation from the current unrest around >> civil rihts and police brutality.

    No it really isn't and, even if it was, that doesn't make the actions right for one group and not for the other. They are not right, period.

    That is what it was. I don't know the W5 of that, who the players are or what they hope to accomplish.

    http://www.indigenouspeoplesdayofrage.org/

    Right wing extremism is the greatest terror threat.

    Just because politico or DHS or you have said it is true does not make it so.

    The facts make it so.

    Provide examples of similar destruction beyond an individual scale in 2020.

    I did provide you a link, there are others if you wish to read up on the subject. Here is another..

    https://tinyurl.com/y96x54qe

    I think extremism is a problem. It doesn't matter if it is left or right but the fact is, right-wing extremism is the greatest domestic violence threat these days.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, October 17, 2020 02:18:52
    Hello Aaron,

    Right wing extremism is the greatest terror threat.

    In some countries, the right wing is the nasty ones.

    The right wing dictatorship in Belarus is very nasty.
    The people of Belarus are its victims.

    But let's not get carried away with ourselves by calling
    such regimes right wing or left wing, as both are repulsive
    and anti-democratic.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, October 17, 2020 02:19:21
    Hello Alan,

    Right wing extremism is the greatest terror threat.

    In some countries, the right wing is the nasty ones.

    That is true. Extremism has found a place in Donald Trump's America.

    It has always been there. And will still be there after he leaves.
    The difference is, it will crawl back under a rock when Biden comes
    to town.

    --Lee

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