"Appeals to Common Sense" are where the falacies can start.

I'm not sure what this means. An appeal to common sense is an appeal to common sense.

So you don't think that anything is common sense unless someone tells you,
i.e. attempts to appeal to your common sense, in which case it is a falacy?

That would explain a few things.


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And that "War is peace / freedom is slavery [and] ignorance is strength". George Orwell's 1984 was a novel, but the lefties are using it as a manual.

If I had not seen it with my own eyes, when I was younger I would have never believed that people would be afraid of their own freedom. I have gotten
where I am no longer shocked by that, and expect it out of most people now.


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On 25 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

"Appeals to Common Sense" are where the falacies can start.

I'm not sure what this means. An appeal to common sense is an appeal to common sense.

So you don't think that anything is common sense unless someone tells
you, i.e. attempts to appeal to your common sense, in which case it is a falacy?

I don't take claims that certain things are common sense at face value, no. Especially if I know them to be false.

That would explain a few things.

Indeed.

Jeff.

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Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

And that "War is peace / freedom is slavery [and] ignorance is strength". George Orwell's 1984 was a novel, but the lefties are using it as a manual.

If I had not seen it with my own eyes, when I was younger I would have never believed that people would be afraid of their own freedom. I
have gotten where I am no longer shocked by that, and expect it out of most people now.

I'm not shocked either. But I am fearful. These are people who will let
the Power Hungry Elites walk all over them - willingly - in order to "keep
them safe". And now we get into why the "Defund the police" movement exists. The Lefties have learned from the Communists that if you keep the people focused on keeping themselves safe, they won't rise up and get rid of the corrupt gov't.


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There are so many things that you need an ID for in order to do them legally. For example, I had to have an ID in order to get my first COVID
shot. I don't see any logic behind not requiring proof of ID in order to
vote.

So now we should require IDs not because they solve any existing problem but just because they're required for other things? That's an interesting take on things.

If you are required to for other things, that means you have one so acting
like it is some burden doesn't really hold water.

In many/most places, including here, you are already required to show an ID
to vote and have been at least since the 1980's. An interesting take on
things is coming up with idiotic reasons why one should no longer have to.


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The Lefties have learned from the Communists that if you keep the people focused on keeping themselves safe, they won't rise up and get rid of the corrupt gov't.

They spent 4 years trying the Communist line of "the Nazis/fascists will
take over," so, yeah, I'd say they did learn a few things from the
Communists.


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There are so many things that you need an ID for in order to do them legally. For example, I had to have an ID in order to get my first COVID shot. I don't see any logic behind not requiring proof of ID in order to vote.

Lefties are ruled by feelings, not logic. That's why nearly everything they believe is illogical.

Indeed. "I believe science until it invalidates my belief that I am a tree because that hurts my feelings, so I will find some social pseudo-science
that will validate my 'treeness' and whatever other illogical feelings I
have."


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Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

They spent 4 years trying the Communist line of "the Nazis/fascists
will take over," so, yeah, I'd say they did learn a few things from the Communists.

But in their defence, they were right. The Nazi/fascists *did* take over.
The Dems just neglected to say that **they** were the Nazi/fascists.


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On 26 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

So now we should require IDs not because they solve any existing problem just because they're required for other things? That's an interesting ta things.

If you are required to for other things, that means you have one so
acting like it is some burden doesn't really hold water.

What else do you think IDs should be required for?

In many/most places, including here, you are already required to show an ID to vote and have been at least since the 1980's. An interesting take on things is coming up with idiotic reasons why one should no longer
have to.

Not here. It used to be that a voter registration card or even a utility bill would suffice. So we are being forced to change for the same idiotic reasons that you don't want to change.

Jeff.

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If you are required to for other things, that means you have one so acting like it is some burden doesn't really hold water.

What else do you think IDs should be required for?

What do I think they SHOULD be required for, or what else ARE they required for? Here if I don't have an ID, you cannot legally buy alcohol, operate a vehicle, buy a firearm, enter a local, state, or federal government building, or even get a COVID shot. That is just a few of several things.

I don't really have any strong feelings about adding IDs for anything, but
that doesn't mean I think they should be removing existing requirements.

In many/most places, including here, you are already required to show an ID to vote and have been at least since the 1980's. An interesting take on things is coming up with idiotic reasons why one should no longer have to.

Not here. It used to be that a voter registration card or even a utility bill would suffice. So we are being forced to change for the same idiotic reasons that you don't want to change.

I agree that those forms of ID should be OK to vote. What I don't understand
is why it would be EASIER to have one of those than it would to have a
photo ID? It has been several years, but I am almost positive I needed the photo ID to register to vote and obtain the said voter registration card (add that to the list above). I MAY have even needed one the first time I signed
up with the local utility company.


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On 28 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

What else do you think IDs should be required for?

What do I think they SHOULD be required for, or what else ARE they required for? Here if I don't have an ID, you cannot legally buy
alcohol, operate a vehicle, buy a firearm, enter a local, state, or federal government building, or even get a COVID shot. That is just a
few of several things.

So what's a few more? Voter ID wasn't added until relatively recently.

I don't really have any strong feelings about adding IDs for anything,
but that doesn't mean I think they should be removing existing requirements.

It's our government and our country.

Not here. It used to be that a voter registration card or even a utility would suffice. So we are being forced to change for the same idiotic rea that you don't want to change.

I agree that those forms of ID should be OK to vote. What I don't understand is why it would be EASIER to have one of those than it would
to have a photo ID? It has been several years, but I am almost positive
I needed the photo ID to register to vote and obtain the said voter registration card (add that to the list above). I MAY have even needed one the first time I signed up with the local utility company.

Voter registration cards and utility bills are not valid forms of ID for
voting here. In general, photo IDs are required, although there are some curious exceptions. A concealed carry permit is acceptable, but a student ID
is not. Is somebody afraid of students voting?

I registered to vote when I got my driver's license.

Jeff.

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What else do you think IDs should be required for?

What do I think they SHOULD be required for, or what else ARE they required for? Here if I don't have an ID, you cannot legally buy alcohol, operate a vehicle, buy a firearm, enter a local, state, or federal government building, or even get a COVID shot. That is just a few of several things.

So what's a few more? Voter ID wasn't added until relatively recently.

ID has been required for at least 40 years here. It is not recent.

I don't really have any strong feelings about adding IDs for anything, but that doesn't mean I think they should be removing existing requirements.

It's our government and our country.

Mine also.

Not here. It used to be that a voter registration card or even a utilit
would suffice. So we are being forced to change for the same idiotic re
that you don't want to change.

I agree that those forms of ID should be OK to vote. What I don't understand is why it would be EASIER to have one of those than it would to have a photo ID? It has been several years, but I am almost positive I needed the photo ID to register to vote and obtain the said voter registration card (add that to the list above). I MAY have even needed one the first time I signed up with the local utility company.

Voter registration cards and utility bills are not valid forms of ID for voting here. In general, photo IDs are required, although there are some curious exceptions. A concealed carry permit is acceptable, but a student ID is not. Is somebody afraid of students voting?

You indicated (above) that voter ID and utility bills used to be valid, which is why I asked how it is EASIER to have one of those when you have to have photo ID to register to vote or sign up for the utility company to begin with.

I would assume the different in concealed carry vs. student ID is that one
is issued by a government entity and one is not. Here, a government
employee ID is sufficient but other non-government employment IDs might not
be.

I registered to vote when I got my driver's license.

Here, driving age is younger than voting (or draft or drinking) age. To
get your initial driver's license, and register to vote, you needed some
form of identification (birth certificate or something) to prove you were
who you said you were, that you lived where you said you did, and that you
were of age to drive and vote, right?


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On 29 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

So what's a few more? Voter ID wasn't added until relatively recently.

ID has been required for at least 40 years here. It is not recent.

Not here.

You indicated (above) that voter ID and utility bills used to be valid, which is why I asked how it is EASIER to have one of those when you have to have photo ID to register to vote or sign up for the utility company
to begin with.

I didn't need a photo ID to register to vote, since I registered to vote at
the same time I got my photo ID.

That said, it's not easier for me, but that doesn't mean it's not easier for everyone.

I would assume the different in concealed carry vs. student ID is that
one is issued by a government entity and one is not. Here, a government employee ID is sufficient but other non-government employment IDs might not be.

Several of the univerisites here are state-funded and -regulated.

Here, driving age is younger than voting (or draft or drinking) age. To get your initial driver's license, and register to vote, you needed some form of identification (birth certificate or something) to prove you were who you said you were, that you lived where you said you did, and that
you were of age to drive and vote, right?

I did, but none of those were voter ID.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

So now we should require IDs not because they solve any existing

problem just because they're required for other things? That's an MP>interesting ta things.
If you are required to for other things, that means you have one so >MP>acting like it is some burden doesn't really hold water.

What else do you think IDs should be required for?

Going to the rest room. No more pay toilets for me, or for
anybody else. This should be a cash-free society ...

In many/most places, including here, you are already required to show an >MP>ID to vote and have been at least since the 1980's. An interesting take >MP>on things is coming up with idiotic reasons why one should no longer >MP>have to.

Not here. It used to be that a voter registration card or even a utility
bill
would suffice. So we are being forced to change for the same idiotic reasons >that you don't want to change.

Osama bin Laden & Co. did not need any photo ID to bomb the WTC
the first time. Or the second time. Just think of all the damage
that could have been prevented. And the number of peoples lives.

Geez. If GWB would only have caught them at the border, preventing
them from coming coming in ...

--Lee

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On 03 May 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...

What else do you think IDs should be required for?

Going to the rest room. No more pay toilets for me, or for
anybody else. This should be a cash-free society ...

Absolutely. No more getting away with toilet stall graffiti or failure to flush. Right on, man.

Osama bin Laden & Co. did not need any photo ID to bomb the WTC
the first time. Or the second time. Just think of all the damage
that could have been prevented. And the number of peoples lives.

True.

Geez. If GWB would only have caught them at the border, preventing
them from coming coming in ...

Absolutely. Oh, wait... They didn't come across the border, did they?

Jeff.

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On 29 Apr 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Not here.

They required a driver's license here this year, too. Now I could do like you and spin that into some horrible thing that was done to suppress my vote, but it was actually done because science. Unlike other forms of ID, the DL has a barcode on the back. In order to hold in person voting in a safe manner, they had one voting location. In order to determine what precinct we live in, they scanned the back of the DL, through the plexiglass, so they didn't have to handle it.

I didn't need a photo ID to register to vote, since I registered to vote at the same time I got my photo ID.

You needed something to prove who you were in order to get the photo ID, and prove your age.

I did, but none of those were voter ID.

You needed them to get a voter ID, which you did when you got your DL.

Also, your assumption in another thread about tracking devices is not correct. If you were using my cell phone to track me, you'd be disappointed. It has not left the house since just after Christmas, but I have and, since I was driving several of those times, so did my photo ID. As I also disable the GPS crap you probably be at least partially disappointed even if I was carrying it.

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Oh yeah and you've still not proven how having a photo ID is a burden.

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On 01 May 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

They required a driver's license here this year, too. Now I could do
like you and spin that into some horrible thing that was done to
suppress my vote, but it was actually done because science. Unlike
other forms of ID, the DL has a barcode on the back. In order to hold
in person voting in a safe manner, they had one voting location. In
order to determine what precinct we live in, they scanned the back of
the DL, through the plexiglass, so they didn't have to handle it.

We had multiple voting locations with no unsafe conduct reported. The poll workers wore gloves and voters were given a "finger condom" to use with the touchscreen voting machines.

You needed something to prove who you were in order to get the photo ID, and prove your age.

I did. But a photo ID was not among them.

You needed them to get a voter ID, which you did when you got your DL.

I did. But a photo ID was not among them. A person is not born with a photo
ID. At some point various forms of non-photo ID are required to get a photo
ID. Therefore, non-photo ID, such as a voter registration card, should be acceptable as well.

Also, your assumption in another thread about tracking devices is not correct. If you were using my cell phone to track me, you'd be disappointed. It has not left the house since just after Christmas, but
I have and, since I was driving several of those times, so did my photo ID. As I also disable the GPS crap you probably be at least partially disappointed even if I was carrying it.

It's not possible to disable the "GPS crap" entirely. You can take it out of photos and not let websites access your location, but you cannot disable it from, for example, 9-1-1 calls. Also, the "GPS crap" isn't what's used to
track your phone. It's the signal strength as logged at multiple towers that
is used to track a phone's location.

Jeff.

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On 01 May 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Oh yeah and you've still not proven how having a photo ID is a burden.

Some people simply don't have them. Saying that they have to go get one, or setting up other hoops for them to jump through, is a burden. Would being required to get an RFID implant be a burden for you?

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

What else do you think IDs should be required for?

Going to the rest room. No more pay toilets for me, or for
anybody else. This should be a cash-free society ...

Absolutely. No more getting away with toilet stall graffiti or failure to flush. Right on, man.

Stall graffiti is an absolute right! It is even in our Constitution!
Thomas Jefferson & Co. told the British, in no uncertain terms, what
would happen! Oh. Wait. That was the Declaration of Independence.

Osama bin Laden & Co. did not need any photo ID to bomb the WTC
the first time. Or the second time. Just think of all the damage
that could have been prevented. And the number of peoples lives.

True.

Of course it is! What I lie to you?

Geez. If GWB would only have caught them at the border, preventing
them from coming coming in ...

Absolutely. Oh, wait... They didn't come across the border, did they?

The first group arrived by boat. Only their leader got caught
and is doing time (too chicken to off himself).

The second group arrived as students, and took lessons to learn how
to fly. One chickened out, not having a license to fly, and is now
doing time. The rest are rejoicing in paradise.

--Lee

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On 05-01-21 16:50, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Interesting takes <=-

They required a driver's license here this year, too. Now I could do

I cannot recall the last time I was asked for any form of ID when I
voted. I gave my name and birth date to the election official and they
check the list to see if I have already voted or not.

like you and spin that into some horrible thing that was done to
suppress my vote, but it was actually done because science. Unlike
other forms of ID, the DL has a barcode on the back. In order to hold
in person voting in a safe manner, they had one voting location. In
order to determine what precinct we live in, they scanned the back of
the DL, through the plexiglass, so they didn't have to handle it.

If they scanned the back of my DL, it would not give the proper
precinct. I moved, and have only a piece of paper from the DMV with my
new address on it.

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On 05-01-21 16:51, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Interesting takes <=-

Oh yeah and you've still not proven how having a photo ID is a
burden.

It's not -- for the majority of the white poplulation. But there are
plenty of blacks, Native Americans and others who have no photo ID --
and maybe no state ID at all. There was a incident in a mid western
state that declared that to vote one had to have a street address. But
most of the people on the Indian Reservations had no street address.

Dale Shipp
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If they scanned the back of my DL, it would not give the proper
precinct. I moved, and have only a piece of paper from the DMV with my
new address on it.

Mine returns the wrong eye color. I don't know why but, for years, it says
my eyes are black. The front of the license does, too. I don't know when
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It's not -- for the majority of the white poplulation. But there are
plenty of blacks, Native Americans and others who have no photo ID --
and maybe no state ID at all. There was a incident in a mid western
state that declared that to vote one had to have a street address. But
most of the people on the Indian Reservations had no street address.

I don't know about people living on reservations, but I have never heard a
good reason why people of color who live in cities have no ID. I had to go into town (Louisville, a large city with a large black population) in order
to get my first DL back in the 1980's. They later set up several sattelite locations, and my state also issues non-DL IDs.

Getting registered to vote in the late 1980's was more difficult. I had to
go all the way DOWNTOWN to do that. If I was living in the predonminantly black parts of the city back then, the registration place would have been
much closer to where I likely lived.

Where I live now, everyone has to go downtown to the same place, but it is
not a big town.

These days, it is getting where you cannot do a whole lot without an ID.
There are some things that you don't need one for anymore (no one writes checks), but you need one to legally:

-- drive
-- buy a gun
-- buy alcohol
-- open a bank account
-- buy, lease, or rent a car
-- to enter government buildings
-- TO REGISTER TO VOTE
-- to get a COVID vaccine
-- (I suspect) to rent a property
-- to get hooked up to the local utilities
-- doctor's offices and hospitals always ask me for one (don't know what
they do if you don't have one)
-- employers want to see one as part of the background check
-- during interactions with law enforcement

Those are only a few things I can think of off the top of my head. I can remember running into difficulties before I learned to drive because I did
not have one. I actually got a bus pass so that I would have something
with my name and photo on it.

Even if I didn't drive I would need one. Only way I can think of that I
could get away with not having one would be if I was homeless or living off
the grid and had no interaction with law enforcement.


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On 05-04-21 14:22, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Interesting takes <=-

It's not -- for the majority of the white poplulation. But there are
plenty of blacks, Native Americans and others who have no photo ID --
and maybe no state ID at all. There was a incident in a mid western
state that declared that to vote one had to have a street address. But
most of the people on the Indian Reservations had no street address.

I don't know about people living on reservations, but I have never
heard a good reason why people of color who live in cities have no ID.

It is my belief that there are many elderly people of color living in
rural areas who have no ID.

Getting registered to vote in the late 1980's was more difficult. I
had to go all the way DOWNTOWN to do that. If I was living in the predonminantly black parts of the city back then, the registration
place would have been much closer to where I likely lived.

I don't recall what sort of ID I needed when I first registered to vote
decades ago. However, when I moved about a year ago from one county to another, there was almost nothing to do, and what was done was online.

-- drive
-- buy a gun
-- buy alcohol
-- open a bank account
-- buy, lease, or rent a car
-- to enter government buildings

I agree with the above requiring an ID, but there are people at the
lower end of the spectrum who do none of those things.

-- TO REGISTER TO VOTE

But they should be allowed to vote.

-- to get a COVID vaccine

Not so sure about that one. I cannot recall if I showed a picture ID
when I got my shots.

-- (I suspect) to rent a property

That might be up to the landlord, but I would advise it -- as well as
some sort of background check.

-- to get hooked up to the local utilities
-- doctor's offices and hospitals always ask me for one (don't know
what they do if you don't have one)

There they want to know that you are not trying to get treatment or
drugs under someone else's name. I do get asked sometimes to show a
driver's license to get a controlled substance prescription.

-- employers want to see one as part of the background check

My employer wanted a *LOT* more than that.

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I'm looking for places to recommend for users of DOCs Place now that he
has pulled the plug.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Dale,

BTW, I managed to sign onto your BBS today (as guest) but when it came
to downloading a QWK packet, the BBS screen froze on me.

Stuff happens. This a hobby, and sysops are not perfect.
Neither is technology and software, but sysops always gets
the blame (whether they want it or not.)

I'm looking for places to recommend for users of DOCs Place now that he has pulled the plug.

He ran a good BBS. For decades. I wish him well in all his future
endeavors. Thanks for all the fish. Thanks, Ed!

--Lee

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It is my belief that there are many elderly people of color living in
rural areas who have no ID.

I suspect you could be correct, but if that is really the case I also
suspect that there are elderly that are not of color in the same boat.

-- TO REGISTER TO VOTE

But they should be allowed to vote.

If you need one to register, you should be able to have/get one when it
comes time to vote. IMHO, it should not matter if it is expired, but it probably does in some places.

Here they are real keen on knowing for sure that you live in the precinct
that you are voting in because of all the local option stuff (state and
local offices and other local option votes). IIRC, they will LET you vote
if you are at the wrong precinct, but only for the state or nationwide
races like governor or president.

If you have an ID from another state, and it is a Presidential general election, they will even let you cast a provisional ballot here, but you
cannot (legally) vote for any other offices and have them count.

So they don't mind letting you vote so much as they do the possibility that
you will vote in races that you are not eligible to vote in.

They MAY let you cast a provisional vote like that if you have no ID but I cannot swear to it. Someone showed up real early for our 2019 governor's election and didn't have an ID. They have some process in place but it is
a LOT easier if you have an ID.

-- to get a COVID vaccine

Not so sure about that one. I cannot recall if I showed a picture ID
when I got my shots.

They did here. They would not let us in the building the second time
without showing one (maybe the first time, too). They also took them the
first time, along with our insurance cards. Not sure what they would have
done if we didn't have one or the other.

That was at a central/mass vax site. Not sure how they did it if you were
able to get it at a pharmacy. If you had the insurance card, that might
have been enough for those sites.

-- (I suspect) to rent a property

That might be up to the landlord, but I would advise it -- as well as
some sort of background check.

I suspect it is also. My father is a landlord and he requires an ID and a credit check.

-- to get hooked up to the local utilities
-- doctor's offices and hospitals always ask me for one (don't know
what they do if you don't have one)

There they want to know that you are not trying to get treatment or
drugs under someone else's name. I do get asked sometimes to show a
driver's license to get a controlled substance prescription.

I forgot about that as I also have to for one of my scripts.

-- employers want to see one as part of the background check

My employer wanted a *LOT* more than that.

Mine also. :) I cannot get into my building without a picture ID, nor can anyone hoping to get service there.


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to downloading a QWK packet, the BBS screen froze on me.

Was that on the web interface or via telnet? I will check the logs and see
if there is an error. Could be that it was trying to create a very large packet.

I'm looking for places to recommend for users of DOCs Place now that he
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They are more than welcome to come here. I have invited one already that frequents the Cooking echo.


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On 05-05-21 14:50, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Interesting takes <=-

Here they are real keen on knowing for sure that you live in the
precinct that you are voting in because of all the local option stuff (state and local offices and other local option votes). IIRC, they
will LET you vote if you are at the wrong precinct, but only for the
state or nationwide races like governor or president.

Where I currently live, it is sort of a large apartment complex. Some apartments are in one county and others are in another. There are even
a few apartments where the county line cuts through the apartment.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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Hello Mike,

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BTW, I managed to sign onto your BBS today (as guest) but when it came
to downloading a QWK packet, the BBS screen froze on me.

Was that on the web interface or via telnet? I will check the logs and see
if there is an error. Could be that it was trying to create a very large packet.

I'm looking for places to recommend for users of DOCs Place now that he
has pulled the plug.

They are more than welcome to come here. I have invited one already that frequents the Cooking echo.

Ah, a fine chap. I had used Doc's Place for a number of years.
Ed always welcomed others to his place, and it is good to hear you
are doing the same. BBSing is not dead, thanks to sysops like you.
Yes, I did log on to your BBS. All sysops deserve a word of thanks,
as many participants would not be able to play otherwise.

--Lee

--
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Here they are real keen on knowing for sure that you live in the precinct that you are voting in because of all the local option stuff (state and local offices and other local option votes). IIRC, they
will LET you vote if you are at the wrong precinct, but only for the state or nationwide races like governor or president.

Where I currently live, it is sort of a large apartment complex. Some apartments are in one county and others are in another. There are even
a few apartments where the county line cuts through the apartment.

Jimminey! :) Here in KY, we have a few towns that straddle county lines, a few that straddle the state line (with Tennessee), and one town that is in three counties. Don't know that any have homes right on the lines, though.


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Hello Mike,

It is my belief that there are many elderly people of color living in
rural areas who have no ID.

I suspect you could be correct, but if that is really the case I also suspect that there are elderly that are not of color in the same boat.

-- TO REGISTER TO VOTE

But they should be allowed to vote.

If you need one to register, you should be able to have/get one when it comes time to vote. IMHO, it should not matter if it is expired, but it probably does in some places.

The question is, dear sir, is should everybody be forced to have
a photo ID in order to vote? Not just to register to vote, but also
to actually vote?

Here is what former Secretary of State (and former presidential
candidate) Hillary Clinton had to say -

"What is happening is a sweeping effort to disempower and
disenfranchise people of color, poor people, and young people
from one end of our country to the other. Because since the
Supreme Court eviscerated a key provision of the Voting Rights
Act in 2013, many of the states that previously faced special
scrutiny because of a history of racial discrimination have
proposed and passed new laws that make it harder than ever to vote...

Here in Texas, former Governor Rick Perry signed a law [Senate
Bill 14, requiring voters to show photo identification] that a federal
court said was actually written with the purpose of discriminating
against minority voters. He applauded when the Voting Rights Act was
gutted... Today Republicans are systematically and deliberately trying
to stop millions of American citizens from voting... I believe every
citizen has the right to vote, and I believe we should do everything
we can to make it easier for every citizen to vote."

Source: CSPAN, "Hillary Clinton on Voting Rights," cspan.org,
June 4, 2015

Secretary Clinton knew what she was talking about.

Here they are real keen on knowing for sure that you live in the precinct that you are voting in because of all the local option stuff (state and local offices and other local option votes). IIRC, they will LET you vote if you are at the wrong precinct, but only for the state or nationwide races like governor or president.

If one has a voter registration card, where is the need for a photo
ID? The right to vote is a right, not a privilege. Shouln't states
make it *easier* to vote rather than enact laws in order to repress
the vote? Doesn't sound very sporting to me. Denying American citizens
their Constitutional right to vote. And shame on those who support
those politicians who do so.

If you have an ID from another state, and it is a Presidential general election, they will even let you cast a provisional ballot here, but you cannot (legally) vote for any other offices and have them count.

Where is it necessary, in any state (or DC) for anybody to have a
photo ID in order to vote? Or for any American citizen anywhere around
the world, for that matter?

So they don't mind letting you vote so much as they do the possibility that
you will vote in races that you are not eligible to vote in.

You ever hear about voter registration rolls? Pretty easy to verify
if one is a registered voter, and on the right roll.

They MAY let you cast a provisional vote like that if you have no ID but I cannot swear to it.

So, according to you, having a photo ID is not enough. As if
registering to vote and having a voter registration card was not
enough. One has to also *swear* to it.

Oh well. I guess rights do not exist in this country.

Someone showed up real early for our 2019 governor's election and didn't have an ID. They have some process in place but it is a LOT easier if you have an ID.

It's called a bribe.

-- to get a COVID vaccine

Not so sure about that one. I cannot recall if I showed a picture ID
when I got my shots.

They did here. They would not let us in the building the second time without showing one (maybe the first time, too). They also took them the first time, along with our insurance cards. Not sure what they would have done if we didn't have one or the other.

That was at a central/mass vax site. Not sure how they did it if you were able to get it at a pharmacy. If you had the insurance card, that might have been enough for those sites.

The issue is photo ID requirements for voting.

-- (I suspect) to rent a property

That might be up to the landlord, but I would advise it -- as well as
some sort of background check.

I suspect it is also. My father is a landlord and he requires an ID and a credit check.

Again, the issue is photo ID requirements for voting.

-- to get hooked up to the local utilities
-- doctor's offices and hospitals always ask me for one (don't know
what they do if you don't have one)

There they want to know that you are not trying to get treatment or
drugs under someone else's name. I do get asked sometimes to show a
driver's license to get a controlled substance prescription.

I forgot about that as I also have to for one of my scripts.

-- employers want to see one as part of the background check

My employer wanted a *LOT* more than that.

Mine also. :) I cannot get into my building without a picture ID, nor can
anyone hoping to get service there.

Where is the need for having a photo ID in order to vote? Why are
politicians of one party so eager to enact such voter repression laws?
What are they so scared of? How is taking away the peoples right to
vote supposed to be upholding the Constitution?

--Lee

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On 05-06-21 16:06, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Interesting takes <=-

Where I currently live, it is sort of a large apartment complex. Some apartments are in one county and others are in another. There are even
a few apartments where the county line cuts through the apartment.

Jimminey! :) Here in KY, we have a few towns that straddle county
lines, a few that straddle the state line (with Tennessee), and one
town that is in three counties. Don't know that any have homes right
on the lines, though.

My son once took us to a restaurant when he was stationed in El Paso.
The parking lot was in Texas and the restaurant was in New Mexico.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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Hello Dale,

Where I currently live, it is sort of a large apartment complex. Some
apartments are in one county and others are in another. There are even
a few apartments where the county line cuts through the apartment.

Jimminey! :) Here in KY, we have a few towns that straddle county
lines, a few that straddle the state line (with Tennessee), and one
town that is in three counties. Don't know that any have homes right
on the lines, though.

My son once took us to a restaurant when he was stationed in El Paso.
The parking lot was in Texas and the restaurant was in New Mexico.

Did you have to speak English or Spanish?

--Lee

--
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On 10-26-21 11:36, Robert Ethridge <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Packin Bill <=-

I do not need to ask Biden what he meant by the stupidity that he said
to realized that what he said is totally stupid and thus proving how
out of touch with reality he is.

1) He was NOT Vice President for 36 years LIKE HE SAID

The truth is that he commuted via Amtrak for 36 years as a Senator.

Other videos from other times have the accurate quote that he commuted
via Amtrak for 36 years as a senator (i.e. until he was vice president).

2) It was his son who died and NOT his wife and daughter who died LIKE
HE SAID

His son Beau died in May 2015. He first wife and daughter died in 1972, shortly after he was elected to the senate.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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Hello Everybody,

The Truth is out there (Scully, Mulder, and mine) -

Ron Lauzon and Mike Powell are not the only folks who are gullible
to believe the big lie -

They don't believe lying is wrong if another leftist does it. If a
non-leftist says something, it can be a lie even if it is true. A
direct quote that is later reprinted word-for-word might no longer be
what was "really said." Quoting it might even be telling a "big lie."

That's all part of the "postmodern" junk that they have been indoctrinated with. For them, there's no objective truth. Everything is subjective. So
there is no "true" or "false" in any objective sense. Hence the concept of
"my truth" and "your truth".

They don't understand that there is no "my truth" and "your truth". There is
only "the truth" and "your opinion". But they've been conditioned through "school" that their opinions are important - just as important as your knowledge.

A young man caught the 9/11 explosion on his cam, this is what he
said live as the twin towers exploded: “That building just randomly
exploded, it’s not a plane. It’s not a plane, they don’t know what they’re taking about. Look that side just blew up, it just blew up,
way after that one. 2 mins ago. No, I saw that second building blow
up, it just blew up. No, it was not an airplane, it was not. I saw
that second building blow up, it was a bomb.” ~ Credit: ZetaTalk.com

--Lee

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The point is this:

the man has no idea of reality. he did NOT commute for while being Vice President for 36 Years LIKE HE SAID

His dementia is becoming more and more evident

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His words were that He commuted for 36 years while being Vice President

NOONE has EVER been VP for 36 years Like he claimed that he was

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On 10-30-21 21:08, Robert Ethridge <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Train rides <=-

His words were that He commuted for 36 years while being Vice
President
NOONE has EVER been VP for 36 years Like he claimed that he was

Take it easy, no need to shout. It is clear from his history that what
he meant to say was that he commuted by train for 36 years until he was
vice president.

Dale Shipp
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On 30 Oct 2021, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 10-30-21 21:08, Robert Ethridge <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Train rides <=-

His words were that He commuted for 36 years while being Vice President
NOONE has EVER been VP for 36 years Like he claimed that he was

Take it easy, no need to shout. It is clear from his history that what
he meant to say was that he commuted by train for 36 years until he was vice president.

That train story of his has been debunked many times.
Angelo Negri been dead these 7 years - "Jacob Marley" too says Charles Dickens

by CNN
https://tinyurl.com/pk6ze52m

By the NY Post
https://tinyurl.com/a4499y9s

By The Washington Times
https://tinyurl.com/zn9trzwh

By Morning Star Investing
https://tinyurl.com/ye2hyp9w

By Gateway Punit
https://tinyurl.com/y2dsh6ku

Biden was friends with the Amtrak conductor at the center of the story, Angelo Negri. But Negri had been dead for more than a year and had been retired for more than two decades before the earliest moment they could conceivably have had the supposed conversation Biden keeps describing, CNN reported. Biden's account simply does not add up. Biden did not reach the million-miles-flown mark as vice president until September 2015, according to his own past comments. But Negri retired from Amtrak in 1993 and died in May
2014, according to an obituary published online and in the
Asbury Park Press, a New Jersey newspaper.

Biden had told several versions of the story this year, each debunked by
CNN.

It wasn't the only lie told by Biden today in New Jersey. Biden once again told his big lie, that the $3.5 trillion spending bill won't cost Americans anything.

And, by the way, you hear these numbers $3.5 trillion or $1.75 trillion. We pay for it all. It doesn't increase the deficit one single cent, he said, ending his speech.

He did not mean to yell, I'm sure.
It is just to us and other minded individuals (meaning other Conservatives) Biden is seen and has been seen from the very start a disaster.

Joe Biden Has Been a Monumental Disaster
https://www.heritage.org/
https://tinyurl.com/52b9bxtw

America First to America Last
washingtonexaminer.com
https://tinyurl.com/tjdahrdv

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On 30 Oct 2021, Robert Ethridge said the following...

The point is this:
the man has no idea of reality. he did NOT commute for while being Vice President for 36 Years LIKE HE SAID
His dementia is becoming more and more evident

He made a gaffe.

What do you suppose Trump meant when he said, "Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to
do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets' red glare, it had nothing but victory?"

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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Biden was friends with the Amtrak conductor at the center of the story, Angelo
Negri. But Negri had been dead for more than a year and had been retired for more than two decades before the earliest moment they could conceivably have had the supposed conversation Biden keeps describing, CNN reported. Biden's account simply does not add up. Biden did not reach the million-miles-flown mark as vice president until September 2015, according to his own past comments. But Negri retired from Amtrak in 1993 and died in May
2014, according to an obituary published online and in the
Asbury Park Press, a New Jersey newspaper.

Biden had told several versions of the story this year, each debunked by
CNN.

The problem for Biden is that he always adds too much detail for it to
simply be an honest mistake, i.e. mistaking something that happened when he
was a Senator with something that happened when he was VP. The details he includes narrow it down too much to his VP years.


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On 10-31-21 08:25, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Train rides <=-

Take it easy, no need to shout. It is clear from his history that what
he meant to say was that he commuted by train for 36 years until he was vice president.

That train story of his has been debunked many times.
Angelo Negri been dead these 7 years - "Jacob Marley" too says Charles Dickens

First I had heard of Angelo Negri, but I'll look at your references.

by CNN
https://tinyurl.com/pk6ze52m

Whoops -- this leads me to a page not found on shorenewsnetwork.com, not
CNN.

By the NY Post
https://tinyurl.com/a4499y9s

Also page not found.

By The Washington Times
https://tinyurl.com/zn9trzwh

This has the video of Biden and the fact check report. Biden was
clearly wrong in his statements based on the reporting.
My guess is that he was mixing up memories and embelishing the details.

By Morning Star Investing
https://tinyurl.com/ye2hyp9w

Also gives the same fact check, but does not show the video.

By Gateway Punit
https://tinyurl.com/y2dsh6ku

Same as the times.

Biden had told several versions of the story this year, each debunked
by CNN.

So, Biden get some number of pinochios for this tale -- but does it
matter?

It wasn't the only lie told by Biden today in New Jersey.
Biden once again told
his big lie, that the $3.5 trillion spending bill won't cost Americans anything.

According to the plan, it would not add to the deficit. The cost was to
be carried by eliminating the Trump tax cuts on the ultra-rich and on
big business who currently pay less a percentage than you or I.

And, by the way, you hear these numbers $3.5 trillion or
$1.75 trillion. We pay
for it all. It doesn't increase the deficit one single cent, he said, ending his speech.

That is the plan.

Joe Biden Has Been a Monumental Disaster
https://www.heritage.org/
https://tinyurl.com/52b9bxtw

A slanted opinion piece by a right wing conservative.

Dale Shipp
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Take it easy, no need to shout. It is clear from his history that what
he meant to say was that he commuted by train for 36 years until he was vice president.

It was like the time when he said "I used to drive tractor-trailer."
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This has the video of Biden and the fact check report. Biden was
clearly wrong in his statements based on the reporting.
My guess is that he was mixing up memories and embelishing the details.

When does embelishing become lying?


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more like his teleprompter was not working and he tried to freestyle...
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On 11-08-21 07:54, Robert Ethridge <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Train rides <=-

more like his teleprompter was not working and he tried to
freestyle...

I have quoted every thing that you posted. It gives me no clue to what
you are responding to. In the future, please quote the relevant portion
of the message you are responding to.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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Grade 11 history books are now being published talking about Trump loosing the 2020 election by voter fraud.

https://x.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076?s=20

I hope to see this a the norm at some point... the Truth must be documented.

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of 4A 6F 65 73 42 42 53
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Grade 11 history books are now being published talking about Trump
loosing the 2020 election by voter fraud.

https://x.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076?s=20

I like it! I was hoping it would be American history books, but at least the Russian kids will know what's up.

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On 27 Dec 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

https://x.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076?s=20

I like it! I was hoping it would be American history books, but at least the Russian kids will know what's up.

They will someday... Things will be exposed and truth will come out.

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of 4A 6F 65 73 42 42 53
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... As a matter of fact, it IS a banana in my pocket!

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Grade 11 history books are now being published talking about Trump loosing the
2020 election by voter fraud.

https://x.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076?s=20

That's not history, a history book or truth.

I hope to see this a the norm at some point... the Truth must be documented.

It is just more right wing lies.

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Grade 11 history books are now being published talking about Trump loosing the 2020 election by voter fraud.

https://x.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076?s=20

I like it! I was hoping it would be American history books, but at least the Ru
sian kids will know what's up.

If they are not US History books for US kids, they don't really count.


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Grade 11 history books are now being published talking about Trump loosin
2020 election by voter fraud.

https://x.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076?s=20

That's not history, a history book or truth.

I hope to see this a the norm at some point... the Truth must be documen

It is just more right wing lies.

Ok, but just answer this question: When's the last time you attended a Russian elementary school? That book may very well be in Russian elementary schools.

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https://x.com/marcbennetts1/status/1739414300119208076?s=20

That's not history, a history book or truth.

I hope to see this a the norm at some point... the Truth must be documen >>

It is just more right wing lies.

Ok, but just answer this question: When's the last time you attended a Russian elementary school? That book may very well be in Russian elementary schools.

It might be. Still, it's not history, a history book or truth.

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