Jeff Thiele wrote to All <=-
Trump and his supporters maintain that Trump "lost" the election due to manipulation of electronic voting, although no credible evidence of
such was ever provided.
And now, GOP legislatures in various states are trying to pass various laws to clamp down on "voter fraud." And yet, is there one GOP law in
this bunch that addresses the manipulation of electronic voting?
That's quite telling, don't you think?
Trump and his supporters maintain that Trump "lost" the election due to manipulation of electronic voting, although no credible evidence of such was ever provided.
Trump and his supporters maintain that Trump "lost" the election due manipulation of electronic voting, although no credible evidence of such was ever provided.
You mean like Hilary did with the 2016 election? And her claims of "Russian Interference" that have been proven false.
Yet, we continue to get more and more facts that there was, indeed, some election fraud in 2020. But, as Thomas Sowell says, any facts that violate your narrative are ignored and evaded by people like you.
And now, GOP legislatures in various states are trying to pass variou laws to clamp down on "voter fraud." And yet, is there one GOP law in this bunch that addresses the manipulation of electronic voting?
That's quite telling, don't you think?
Yes. It's quite telling. How you re-frame things to match your
narrative and avoid the facts about the election fraud.
Gammas like you still haven't figured out that we're on to you and all
the BS that you spout. You have no credibilty and we just laugh at your lame attempt to be an Elite.
Trump and his supporters maintain that Trump "lost" the election due manipulation of electronic voting, although no credible evidence of s was ever provided.
Some of his supporters might have maintained that. But I was a Trump supporter and I maintain that he lost due to the media attacks combined with the Chinese attack combined with the mail-in ballot attack,
combined with the extremely late voting attacks.
On 04-24-21 08:11, Ron Lauzon <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: The Big Lie <=-
You mean like Hilary did with the 2016 election? And her claims of "Russian Interference" that have been proven false.
Yet, we continue to get more and more facts that there was, indeed,
some election fraud in 2020. But, as Thomas Sowell says, any facts
that violate your narrative are ignored and evaded by people like you.
The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been this much "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money grabs are unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?
The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been this mu "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money grabs a unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?
When Joe Biden beat the pants off your beloved orange clown, there
was dancing in the streets. It was a VE and VJ Days, the two days in
1945 when Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan surrendered.
He has defamed himself, by his own actions.
And so have you, by continuing to support him.
On 09-11-22 22:49, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: The Big Lie <=-
Avoid & Distract; I know you lefties well! Something that you know
well: unprecented political effort + unprecedented money grabs = no coincidence
He has defamed himself, by his own actions.
And so have you, by continuing to support him.
But Joe Biden has defamed himself even harder! Way, way worse than
Trump, not by crying about elections, but by dividing and destroying
the USA.
Avoid & Distract; I know you lefties well! Something that you know well: unprecented political effort + unprecedented money grabs = no coincidence
That describes Trump and his cronies perfectly.
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
Calling the other side a threat to democracy heals division how?
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
Avoid & Distract; I know you lefties well! Something that you know
well: unprecented political effort + unprecedented money grabs = no
coincidence
That describes Trump and his cronies perfectly.
Did Trump intentionally create distractions?
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is
building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
I don't see any investment, all I see is a 31 trillion dollar national debt.
On 09-12-22 13:02, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: The Big Lie <=-
Avoid & Distract; I know you lefties well! Something that you know well: unprecented political effort + unprecedented money grabs = no coincidence
That describes Trump and his cronies perfectly.
Did Trump intentionally create distractions?
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
I don't see any investment, all I see is a 31 trillion dollar national debt.
On 09-12-22 16:29, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: The Big Lie <=-
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
Calling the other side a threat to democracy heals division how?
As best as I can tell, it only makes his side happy.
Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
Calling the other side a threat to democracy heals division how?
$92,749 per person in America.
Imagine having a credit card, owing that amount, plus interest.
Think about how long it is going to take you to pay it out.
But instead of paying it out, Republican presidents (such as GWB
and Donald Trump) decided to kick the can. Give massive tax breaks
to the wealthy. And let future generations pay the bill.
Eighty-three percent of voters say their concern about the debt has increased in recent years, up 5 points from last month, driven by
Did Trump intentionally create distractions?
Yes. One major example was his handling of the Covid-19 pandimic. He knew from the beginning that it would be very serious, but kept telling the public how minor it would be.
If you don't see any investment you have not been paying attention.
Biden has gotten two major investment bills passed, the first with some support from Republicans and the second with no support from any Republican in the Senate. These bills are a factor in the lowest unemployment rate in quite some time.
Democrats decided it's time to import more than
2 million illegal immigrants,
2. Rising healthcare costs are killing us. Take a look -
South Korea - $ 3,914
Japan - $ 4,666
Belgium - $ 5,274
UK - $ 5,387
Sweden - $ 6,762
USA - $12,318
Doing away with Obamacare, Medicare, and Medicaid - along with
Veterans benefits - should solve that problem.
Did Trump intentionally create distractions?
Yes. One major example was his handling of the Covid-19 pandimic. He knew from the beginning that it would be very serious, but kept telling the public how minor it would be.
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is
building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
I don't see any investment, all I see is a 31 trillion dollar national
debt.
If you don't see any investment you have not been paying attention.
Biden has gotten two major investment bills passed, the first with some support from Republicans and the second with no support from any Republican in the Senate. These bills are a factor in the lowest unemployment rate in quite some time.
Calling the other side a threat to democracy heals division how?
As best as I can tell, it only makes his side happy.
Go back and read his words. He did not say that the Republicans are a threat. He did not say that conservative Republicans are a threat.
What he was talking about was that element who want to overthrow the US Government, the neo-nazi forces and other white nationalists.
When the decline in population sets in for real, I think you'll be happy that there's a nurse available to you. Take care of those immigrants, like you used to a century ago. They'll might make USA great again, after you brainwashed Trumpies have failed miserably on your own.
"Too much of what's happening in our country today is not normal.
Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic."
~ President Joe Biden, 9/1/2022
There's a difference between legal immigrants & illegal immigrants, but brainwashed leftist zombies don't understand that.
On 09-13-22 12:50, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: The Big Lie <=-
Did Trump intentionally create distractions?
Yes. One major example was his handling of the Covid-19 pandimic. He knew from the beginning that it would be very serious, but kept telling the public how minor it would be.
Ok, but did Trump use distractions to pull of a cash grab?
If you don't see any investment you have not been paying attention.
Biden has gotten two major investment bills passed, the first with some support from Republicans and the second with no support from any Republican in the Senate. These bills are a factor in the lowest unemployment rate in quite some time.
I have to pay attention to the news to see the good that Democrat cash grabs bring? Why can't I just look out the window? Will I need to visit fact checking websites so that I can revel in the goodness that they bring?
WE NEVER MADE IT ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Repeal the laws against immigration, problem solved.
Ok, but did Trump use distractions to pull of a cash grab?
Yes. More than once Trump has advertised for donations for something, only to put a good part of the money collected into his own pocket. He also tricked people into making their contribution be deducted every
month when they intended to only make a single donation.
I have to pay attention to the news to see the good that Democrat cas grabs bring? Why can't I just look out the window? Will I need to vis fact checking websites so that I can revel in the goodness that they bring?
A. What cash grabs? These two major bills actually will put money into the treasury.
B. If you continue to refuse to look for the facts, then you have no
right to issue false claims resulting from your ignorance.
There's a difference between legal immigrants & illegal immigrants, but brainwashed leftist zombies don't understand that.
On 13 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
There's a difference between legal immigrants & illegal immigrants, b brainwashed leftist zombies don't understand that.The forbidden list:
Black & Mexican crime rates are due to poverty.
Illegal immigrants are fleeing poverty.
US doesn't have resources to support illegal (mass) immigration.
Illegal immigrants are impoverished.
Illegal immigrants commit crime.
If you break parts of the list, black people commit crime for no reason.
Democrats decided it's time to import more than
2 million illegal immigrants,
When the decline in population sets in for real, I think you'll be happy that there's a nurse available to you. Take care of those immigrants, like you used to a century ago. They'll might make USA great again, after you brainwashed Trumpies have failed miserably on your own.
$92,749 per person in America.
Imagine having a credit card, owing that amount, plus interest.
Think about how long it is going to take you to pay it out.
But instead of paying it out, Republican presidents (such as GWB
and Donald Trump) decided to kick the can. Give massive tax breaks
to the wealthy. And let future generations pay the bill.
And instead of paying it off, Democrats decided it's time to import more than 2 million illegal immigrants, and to waste trillions of dollars on social programs that don't even help the American people.
They do nothing for the illegal immigrants either. They need more than just
free legal aid in New York. You can't live off that.
Did you ever have a wild weekend with your credit card, and then by Monday morning you were afraid to look at your balance? It's been 2 wild years, and still, nobody's reviewing receipts or anything.
Eighty-three percent of voters say their concern about the debt has
increased in recent years, up 5 points from last month, driven by
It's concerning. It seems like the Democrats are aiming to bankrupt America.
They know that the people who will suffer have no say in it.
"Too much of what's happening in our country today is not normal.
Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that
threatens the very foundations of our republic."
~ President Joe Biden, 9/1/2022
"It's a typical leftist tactic to tell people that other people are doing something wrong, and while they're looking at other people, you do the dirty
deed sourself."
~ Aaron Thomas, 9/13/2022
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
Calling the other side a threat to democracy heals division how?
As best as I can tell, it only makes his side happy.
Go back and read his words. He did not say that the Republicans are a threat. He did not say that conservative Republicans are a threat.
What he was talking about was that element who want to overthrow the US Government, the neo-nazi forces and other white nationalists.
Avoid & Distract; I know you lefties well! Something that you know well: unprecented political effort + unprecedented money grabs = no coincidence
That describes Trump and his cronies perfectly.
Did Trump intentionally create distractions?
Yes. One major example was his handling of the Covid-19 pandimic. He
knew from the beginning that it would be very serious, but kept telling
the public how minor it would be.
I have to pay attention to the news to see the good that Democrat cash grabs bring? Why can't I just look out the window? Will I need to visit fact checking websites so that I can revel in the goodness that they bring?
On 09-14-22 12:17, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: The Big Lie <=-
Ok, but did Trump use distractions to pull of a cash grab?
Yes. More than once Trump has advertised for donations for something, only to put a good part of the money collected into his own pocket. He also tricked people into making their contribution be deducted every
month when they intended to only make a single donation.
But that's something that he did after he left office. Democrats use
the standard leftist tactic of distraction while they're in office.
On 09-14-22 18:18, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: The Big Lie <=-
Go back and read his words. He did not say that the Republicans are a threat. He did not say that conservative Republicans are a threat.
What he was talking about was that element who want to overthrow the US Government, the neo-nazi forces and other white nationalists.
But your problem is that a lot of people didn't take it that way, just like they didn't take Hillary's "deplorables" comment the way she meant it. Preception is reality.
2. Rising healthcare costs are killing us. Take a look -
South Korea - $ 3,914
Japan - $ 4,666
Belgium - $ 5,274
UK - $ 5,387
Sweden - $ 6,762
USA - $12,318
Doing away with Obamacare, Medicare, and Medicaid - along with
Veterans benefits - should solve that problem.
I think that Norway is even worse than Sweden. But you must remember that the Trumpies are brainwashed from childhood to believe that socialism is equal to Stalinism, Maoism or similar, and they pretend that they cherish their "free choice". Meaning they prefer to opt-out of the taxpayer
insurance, and rather chose a private one. "Hey love, how much can we raise
on a second mortgage?"
I guess they've never seen that movie, that I don't remember, about a lawyer fighting an insurance company that by default refused every claim. Oh my god, what was the name of that movie? I remember that the bone cancer
victim had to appear before the court on video, since he had passed away.
My son recently had to undergo a serious back surgery. His total, final bill
was SEK110 (about USD10). Including parking cost...
What's the going rate in Trumpist country for even giving birth?
Or an ambulance ride?
WE NEVER MADE IT ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Sweden is surrounded by wealthy countries. You have nothing to lose by leaving your doors open. Someone might try to sneak in with some Swiss cheese.
Repeal the laws against immigration, problem solved.
So if I just walk into Sweden, they'll let me stay?
Will they search my bags or anything?
Can I bring hash? Where will I sleep? Bjorn's house?
Sweden is surrounded by wealthy countries. You have nothing to lose by leaving your doors open. Someone might try to sneak in with some Swiss cheese.
So if I just walk into Sweden, they'll let me stay? Will they search my bags or anything? Can I bring hash? Where will I sleep? Bjorn's house?
So if I just walk into Sweden, they'll let me stay?
What was true yesterday is no longer true today.
I guess they've never seen that movie, that I don't remember, about a
lawyer fighting an insurance company that by default refused every claim.
Oh my god, what was the name of that movie? I remember that the bone cancer
victim had to appear before the court on video, since he had passed away.
Walter Matthau and Jack Lemon starred in "The Lemon Tree" - about
a lawyer and his client in a scam dealing with an insurance company.
But that was a comedy.
But your problem is that a lot of people didn't take it that way, just like they didn't take Hillary's "deplorables" comment the way she meant it. Preception is reality.
It is not my problem. It is the problem of those who falsely interpret
words to fit their own preconceived perception.
On 09-15-22 16:10, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: The Big Lie <=-
But your problem is that a lot of people didn't take it that way, just like they didn't take Hillary's "deplorables" comment the way she meant it. Preception is reality.
It is not my problem. It is the problem of those who falsely interpret words to fit their own preconceived perception.
I do not think that is the case, though. The perception of some self-proclaimed leftists is that the speech, on the whole, was more devisive than it should have been.
Maybe your own preconceived
perception is causing you not to see anything devisive in what he said?
In past, I think you have discussed working for the government, so you should understand (as I do, especially as of late) that a lot of
things are done based on public perception and "optics" because both of those are problems for persons whose job satisfaction (or jobs,
period!) depend on someone being re-elected.
We have Border Patrol to take care of folks who try to enter our
country illegally. The main reason they are able to do their jobs
is because we pay taxes in order to pay them. But Republicans do
not care about policing our borders, which is why they continue
to support such mad policies as massive tax cuts for the wealthy.
Illegal immigrants are rounded up and sent packing to wherever
they came from, thanks to ICE. Those folks are also paid by taxes collected. So do thank your lucky stars Republican presidents have
not yet given away the entire store to the wealthy.
After four years of total mismanagement of the Trump administration,
it is a relief to have a President who knows how to spend money.
As everybody knows, if you want to make money you have to spend money. Preferably other people's money. That is the way to do it. That is
why folks are so high on President Biden's student loan forgiveness program, and his latest Inflation Reduction Act.
Now all the immigrants who have made their home in Sweden will have
to find a new place to stay. But where else can they go? Germany does
not want them. Hungary does not want them. No place else wants them.
WE NEVER MADE IT ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Everyone is still welcome to walk in here. We need a lot more people
to compensate for our declining population. Highly educated people are especially welcome, of course.
There's a difference between legal immigrants & illegal immigrants, b brainwashed leftist zombies don't understand that.
The forbidden list:
Black & Mexican crime rates are due to poverty.
Illegal immigrants are fleeing poverty.
US doesn't have resources to support illegal (mass) immigration.
Illegal immigrants are impoverished.
Illegal immigrants commit crime.
If you break parts of the list, black people commit crime for no reason.
Now all the immigrants who have made their home in Sweden will have
to find a new place to stay. But where else can they go? Germany does
not want them. Hungary does not want them. No place else wants them.
Hmm, that doesn't jive with what the other full-of-it guy said:
WE NEVER MADE IT ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE!
I could be making a mistake, but I will believe the foreign leftist before I
believe the American leftist, because I'm familiar with how full of it the American leftists are. :)
Yes, you did make a mistake. A big mistake. As I wrote in my
previous message, Sweden's prime minister resigned. A new party
is now in charge. A nationalist anti-immigrant party. And that
means no more illegal immigrants.
57Really?
On 09-11-22 22:49, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: The Big Lie <=-
Avoid & Distract; I know you lefties well! Something that you know well: unprecented political effort + unprecedented money grabs = no coincidence
That describes Trump and his cronies perfectly.
He has defamed himself, by his own actions.
And so have you, by continuing to support him.
But Joe Biden has defamed himself even harder! Way, way worse than Trump, not by crying about elections, but by dividing and destroying the USA.
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump whoReally?
just mouthed the words.
How has the Biden administration improved the Shipp household?
You're paying more then ever before for groceries and gasoline...
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.Really?
How has the Biden administration improved the Shipp household?
You're paying more then ever before for groceries and gasoline...
On 10-02-22 08:48, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: The Big Lie <=-
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
Really?
How has the Biden administration improved the Shipp household?
You're paying more then ever before for groceries and gasoline...
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he is building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
Really?
How has the Biden administration improved the Shipp household?
You're paying more then ever before for groceries and gasoline...
Both of those things are not problems caused by the USA, but are
problems world wide. Biden has done things that are within his power to
help lower the price of gasoline and also to improve the problems caused
by world wide inflation.
57
On 10-02-22 08:48, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: The Big Lie <=-
Joe Biden is trying to heal the divisions created by Trump. And he i building a better America, unlike Trump who just mouthed the words.
Really?
How has the Biden administration improved the Shipp household? You're paying more then ever before for groceries and gasoline...
Both of those things are not problems caused by the USA, but are
problems world wide. Biden has done things that are within his power to help lower the price of gasoline and also to improve the problems caused by world wide inflation.
Liberal Policies are not helping to reduce inflation, they are aiding it to become a beast that will become unstoppable under the current administration. This will go unchecked within the Biden Administration because most of us seen
Joe Biden on 60 minutes describe inflation with the unit of measure within an inch.
What a Dam Fool... Inflation is not measured within inches moron.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
Both of those things are not problems caused by the USA, but are
problems world wide. Biden has done things that are within his power to help lower the price of gasoline and also to improve the problems caused by world wide inflation.
That is a duck and dodge.
Liberal Policies are not helping to reduce inflation, they are aiding
it to become a beast that will become unstoppable under the current administration.
What a Dam Fool... Inflation is not measured within inches moron.
Liberal Policies are not helping to reduce inflation, they are aiding it to become a beast that will become unstoppable under the current administration.
That's the idea. I believe that's why their actions have grown much
more overt since Trump. They are trying hard to enact their policies to an extent that no single administration can stop/fix the problems. Then at the next election they can say "look! They said that they would fix everything and they didn't. Vote us back in and we'll fix [the problems that we caused - but this won't ever be said]."
There has be a way to prove *this* that it is the plan or what they are doing was intentional. Asking the right questions and in the right way will expose the real truth. Once exposed impeachment & treason should
come swiftly. If it doesn't. Then the next January 6th will look
There has be a way to prove *this* that it is the plan or what they are doing was intentional.
Asking the right questions and in the right way will expose the real truth.
Once exposed impeachment & treason should come swiftly.
If it doesn't. Then the next January 6th will look something similar to French Revolution.
OR I would be thrilled to see Biden being paraded or carried,
covered in black tar and peppered in white feathers as he moves down cobblestone streets.
Followed by his not so much anymore (cackling VP Kamala Harris) because there is not enough word salad to explain what they have done.
I will settle for treason as the main course and for dessert there is always
fidonet; as it would delightful to read all of the smugness being wiped away as they try to explain what just happened.
There has be a way to prove *this* that it is the plan or what they are doing was intentional. Asking the right questions and in the right way will expose the real truth. Once exposed impeachment & treason should come swiftly. If it doesn't. Then the next January 6th will look
I like the way that sounds, but despite all of the bad records that Democrats are breaking, voters are still being nurtured by the media, and apparently "bad is good."
Why ask why when you already know the answer to the question.OR I would be thrilled to see Biden being paraded or carried,Why?
covered in black tar and peppered in white feathers as he moves down cobblestone streets.
Your wet dream will never happen, remember it was Kamala Harris that was onceFollowed by his not so much anymore (cackling VP Kamala Harris) becau there is not enough word salad to explain what they have done.Not to worry. Kamala will be happy to certify the electoral college.
And that will give Biden/Harris four more years.
In an alternate universe, it could be Biden/Harris riding into theNot this time and not ever. Newsome is just is gruesome and Abrams does not have a shot either. America will never tolerate another liberal black lackey going around the globe on yet another "apology from the U.S. - world tour" which is what Barack Obama was. George Soros and rest of these foreign investors who just want to see America destroy it self from within need to be crushed.
sunset as Newsome/Abrams take over ...
Gregory Deyss wrote to Dr. What <=-
There has be a way to prove *this* that it is the plan or what they are doing was intentional.
Asking the right questions and in the right way will expose the realtruth.
Once exposed impeachment & treason should come swiftly.
If it doesn't. Then the next January 6th will look
something similar to French Revolution. OR I would be thrilled to see Biden being paraded or carried, covered in black tar and peppered in
white feathers as he moves down cobblestone streets. Followed by his
not so much anymore (cackling VP Kamala Harris) because there is not enough word salad to explain what they have done.
I like the way that sounds, but despite all of the bad records that Demo are breaking, voters are still being nurtured by the media, and apparent "bad is good."
Most people don't care, so long as the outcome is what they want.
It's sickening to think that our leftists are in favor of 2 million illegals,I like the way that sounds, but despite all of the bad records that are breaking, voters are still being nurtured by the media, and app "bad is good."Most people don't care, so long as the outcome is what they want.
a fentanyl crisis,
and a war in Ukraine,
"Trump's a racist who cheated on his wife and he even stole some pieces
of paper!"
On 10-07-22 13:03, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: The Big Lie <=-
It's sickening to think that our leftists are in favor of 2
million illegals, a
fentanyl crisis,
and a war in Ukraine,
all just because "Trump's a
racist who cheated on his wife
and he even stole some pieces of paper!"
Everyone cares about the intrusion of fentanyl into America. The real question is what more can be done to stop it?Consider first where is the fentanyl coming from. We already know the answer
Trump is not the first, and will probably not be the last adulterer inI would agree with that.
the White House. That has implications on his moral character, but
little relevance to his actions while in the White House.
Some of those "pieces of paper" can be extremely damaging to the USA's ability to collect the type of information that helps make us all safe.Regardless what papers he is alleged to have he was the President.
It's sickening to think that our leftists are in favor of 2 million illegals,
Refugees seeking asylum are not illegals, and the only metric we have on border crossings are actual encounters, aka refugees plus illegal immigrants who failed to illegally immigrate.
a fentanyl crisis,
Again, the only metric we have on the amount of fentanyl crossing the
We are not in a war in Ukraine. Additionally, the Trump administration
was sending military aid to Ukraine before Russia invaded. Why? I've
asked that before, but you seem intent on ignoring that question.
Trump illegally retained government documents after he was no longer president. I suppose you'd also argue that Nicholas Cage's character was only "stealing a piece of paper" in "National Treasure," too. Your overt efforts to minimize Trump's crimes are painfully obvious, and pitiful.
Everyone cares about the intrusion of fentanyl into America. The real question is what more can be done to stop it?Consider first where is the fentanyl coming from. We already know the answer to that question and the answer is south of the border of the United States. Right? The answer is then therefore obvious. Finish the border wall.
More ATF agents at airports & airfields, ports of entry including waterways.
It's sickening to think that our leftists are in favor of 2
million illegals, a
I have my doubts that there are 2 million illegals who are not caught
and deported with haste. The illegals who are not caught are also not counted.
fentanyl crisis,
Everyone cares about the intrusion of fentanyl into America. The real question is what more can be done to stop it?
and a war in Ukraine,
Russia invades a friendly ally and we should not care?
Trump is not the first, and will probably not be the last adulterer in
the White House. That has implications on his moral character, but
little relevance to his actions while in the White House.
and he even stole some pieces of paper!"
Some of those "pieces of paper" can be extremely damaging to the USA's ability to collect the type of information that helps make us all safe.
Everyone cares about the intrusion of fentanyl into America. The rea question is what more can be done to stop it?Consider first where is the fentanyl coming from. We already know the answer to that question and the answer is south of the border of the United States. Right? The answer is then therefore obvious. Finish the border wall. More ATF agents at airports & airfields, ports of entry including waterways.
The media (lots of news sites) say that there have been more then 2 million illegal crossings this year so far. The leftists say "that's wonderful because my grandparents are also immigrants." I'm not talking about leftists being happy about refugees, I'm talking about leftstsIt's sickening to think that our leftists are in favor of 2 mill illegals,Refugees seeking asylum are not illegals, and the only metric we have border crossings are actual encounters, aka refugees plus illegal immigrants who failed to illegally immigrate.
being happy about illegal migration.
Fentanyl is concentrated form of opium. Opium does not grow in the USA, and it doesn't migrate here legally (opium doesn't swim and/or ask for asylum.)a fentanyl crisis,Again, the only metric we have on the amount of fentanyl crossing the
We are not in a war in Ukraine. Additionally, the Trump administratio was sending military aid to Ukraine before Russia invaded. Why? I've asked that before, but you seem intent on ignoring that question.We ARE in a war in Ukraine, because we're paying for it, due to bad choices made by a rogue Democrat regime. I don't care why Trump didn't send aid because the war came after Trump left office.
Trump illegally retained government documents after he was no longer president. I suppose you'd also argue that Nicholas Cage's character only "stealing a piece of paper" in "National Treasure," too. Your ov efforts to minimize Trump's crimes are painfully obvious, and pitifulTrump stole documents, the sun still rises, the earth still spins. At least the document theif didn't let 2 million illegal immigrants in.
On 08 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
The media (lots of news sites) say that there have been more then 2 million illegal crossings this year so far. The leftists say "that's wonderful because my grandparents are also immigrants." I'm not talking about leftists being happy about refugees, I'm talking about leftsts being happy about illegal migration.It's sickening to think that our leftists are in favor of 2 millRefugees seeking asylum are not illegals, and the only metric we have
illegals,
border crossings are actual encounters, aka refugees plus illegal immigrants who failed to illegally immigrate.
No one counts crossings. The Border Patrol counts "encounters." Additionally,
multiple encounters can be with the same individual(s). That the media, and especially conservative media, tries to present the Border Patrol's statistics on encounters into statistics on crossings is careless at best, dishonest at worst. Additionally, some of those encounters are with refugees seeking asylum, some are with people trying to enter the country for other reasons, and all are dealt with according to US law.
I don't know of anyone who says it's "wonderful," but turning away refugees seeking asylum isn't the answer.
Fentanyl is concentrated form of opium. Opium does not grow in the USA, and it doesn't migrate here legally (opium doesn't swim and/or ask for asylum.)a fentanyl crisis,Again, the only metric we have on the amount of fentanyl crossing the
You left out the part where the fentanyl entering the country is often in the
hands of US citizens.
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0We are not in a war in Ukraine. Additionally, the Trump administratioWe ARE in a war in Ukraine, because we're paying for it, due to bad choices made by a rogue Democrat regime. I don't care why Trump didn't send aid because the war came after Trump left office.
was sending military aid to Ukraine before Russia invaded. Why? I've
asked that before, but you seem intent on ignoring that question.
Well, we were paying for *something* military-related in Ukraine under Trump.
What was that?
Biden did not make any bad choices concerning Ukraine. He warned Putin with sanctions not to do it, Putin did, and the US proceeded with the sanctions.
As far as I know, we have not sent any troops to Ukraine (although some Americans have gone there to fight of their own volition), and we certainly have not declared war on Ukraine's aggressor, Russia.
Trump illegally retained government documents after he was no longerTrump stole documents, the sun still rises, the earth still spins. At least the document theif didn't let 2 million illegal immigrants in.
president. I suppose you'd also argue that Nicholas Cage's character
only "stealing a piece of paper" in "National Treasure," too. Your ov
efforts to minimize Trump's crimes are painfully obvious, and pitiful
No one is above the law. Additionally, there is no "the sun still rises, the earth still spins" concept in American jurisprudence. If there were, we probably wouldn't be arresting people for simple drug possession.
After all, even if 2 million illegal immigrants successfully entered the country (they didn't, see above), in fact the sun still rises and the earth still spins.
This is not a victimless crime. The victim is the US government, who had their property stolen. How would you feel if your property were stolen and the only response you got in trying to seek justice is that "the sun still rises, the earth still spins?"
Jeff.
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to enter the country for other reasons, and all are dealt with according to US law.
I don't know of anyone who says it's "wonderful," but turning away refugees seeking asylum isn't the answer.
Fentanyl is concentrated form of opium. Opium does not grow in the US and it doesn't migrate here legally (opium doesn't swim and/or ask fo asylum.)
You left out the part where the fentanyl entering the country is often
in the hands of US citizens.
As far as I know, we have not sent any troops to Ukraine (although some Americans have gone there to fight of their own volition), and we certainly have not declared war on Ukraine's aggressor, Russia.
This is not a victimless crime. The victim is the US government, who had their property stolen. How would you feel if your property were stolen
and the only response you got in trying to seek justice is that "the sun still rises, the earth still spins?"
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Everyone cares about the intrusion of fentanyl into America. The real question is what more can be done to stop it?
Consider first where is the fentanyl coming from. We already know the answer to that question and the answer is south of the border of the United States. Right?
The answer is then therefore obvious. Finish the border wall.
More ATF agents at airports & airfields, ports of entry
including waterways.
Some of those "pieces of paper" can be extremely damaging to the USA's ability to collect the type of information that helps make us all safe.
Regardless what papers he is alleged to have he was the President. Presidents can declassify documents at a whim of a say so.
Where does the danger part come in?
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It's sickening to think that our leftists are in favor of 2
million illegals, a
I have my doubts that there are 2 million illegals who are not caught
and deported with haste. The illegals who are not caught are also not counted.
So everything they say about Trump is true, but when they say there's
2 million illegals here, then "they miscounted?"
Everyone cares about the intrusion of fentanyl into America. The real question is what more can be done to stop it?
So you want to keep the migrants flowing, but you want to stop the fentanyl?
and a war in Ukraine,
Russia invades a friendly ally and we should not care?
Joe did nothing while Putin deployed troops all over the
Russia-Ukraine border. He waited until several civilians were already
dead before he began propagating that America's wallet can solve the problem. Now we know that
our money doesn't stop Russia, but we're sending more and more of it anyway, and Ukraine keeps burrying more and more bodies, but the
important thing here is that the guy who punched Melania in the eye is
no longer in the White House.
and he even stole some pieces of paper!"
Some of those "pieces of paper" can be extremely damaging to the USA's ability to collect the type of information that helps make us all safe.
I need to see the damage before I start making repairs. The
media/crats are not convincing me of much by saying "Trump's document theft could have caused armageddon." They need to tell us specifically
how it could have caused so much damage if they want us to believe it.
Not just "Trump did something bad and OMG it's so bad that we can't
even tell you how bad it was."
to enter the country for other reasons, and all are dealt with accord to US law.Officers are keeping reports of how many successfully migrated
illegally, and if you add up the numbers in the reports they estimated 660,000 in 2021 (CBS NEWS.) That number should be enough to alarm everyone. Are we too redneck/racist if we want to know the identities of every single person who enters our country? Do we work hard enough for
our money to decide whether or not criminals will enter illegally? How much extra do I need to pay in my taxes to have a secure border?
(Because I'll pay it.)
I don't know of anyone who says it's "wonderful," but turning away refugees seeking asylum isn't the answer.Why not!? They better call it "wonderful" because they voted for it!!
You left out the part where the fentanyl entering the country is ofte in the hands of US citizens.It doesn't matter. The record is being broken now, under Biden. The opposite record was being broken by Trump.
As far as I know, we have not sent any troops to Ukraine (although so Americans have gone there to fight of their own volition), and we certainly have not declared war on Ukraine's aggressor, Russia.We've invested billions of dollars into Ukraine's success. How is the return on our investment going?
We'd need to win the Ukraine war to consider our "investment" a success. As a matter of fact, I'm starting to feel better about this investment, because Joe let the Ukrainian people down twice, so we owe it to them
now to try to help them out of this mess that Joe (and Trump) got them into. Let's win that war, then let's get Joe the psychiatric help he needs!
This is not a victimless crime. The victim is the US government, who their property stolen. How would you feel if your property were stole and the only response you got in trying to seek justice is that "the still rises, the earth still spins?"That's the best advice you can give to a person who is suffering from the effects of what some illegal immigrant did to an American citizen.
You left out the part where the fentanyl entering the country is often the
hands of US citizens.
Where is this happening? I haven't heard we are bringing it in to the country to kill our kids.
Border patrol has made it perfectly clear that a border wall is what they need
in order to stop illegal migrants.
Democrats have made it perfectly clear that they will not let anyone stand
in their way of migrant collecting (illegal or not.)
You left out the part where the fentanyl entering the country is often in t
hands of US citizens.
Where is this happening? I haven't heard we are bringing it in to the
country to kill our kids.
That would do almost nothing to stop drug trade. First, it has been
proven that the wall that has been constructed can easily be overcome.
Second, the majority of drug trade does not come in via individuals
wading across the Rio Grande. It comes in via ports of entry at the
border in large quantities hidden in vehicles, e.g. 18 wheelers. It is
flown in to private airports, or via private boats.
So, they could be "US citizens" but they are working for the non-US cartels. I see a difference between them and the average US citizen. IYou left out the part where the fentanyl entering the country is ofte tWhere is this happening? I haven't heard we are bringing it in to the country to kill our kids.
hands of US citizens.
am thinking you do, too.
That would do almost nothing to stop drug trade. First, it has been proven that the wall that has been constructed can easily be overcome.But not as easily as no wall.
tYou left out the part where the fentanyl entering the country is often in
hands of US citizens.
Where is this happening? I haven't heard we are bringing it in to the country to kill our kids.
Central and South American cartels have been known to use Americans to smuggle drugs across the border under the assumption that the Americans
will have an easier time getting across said border. The Americans in question are either intimidated into participating or, more likely, are making lots of money.
So, they could be "US citizens" but they are working for the non-US cartels. I see a difference between them and the average US citizen. I am thinking you
do too.
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I agree fully.Where is this happening? I haven't heard we are bringing it in to the country to kill our kids.So, they could be "US citizens" but they are working for the non-US car I see a difference between them and the average US citizen. I am think you
do too.
So everything they say about Trump is true, but when they say there's 2 million illegals here, then "they miscounted?"
I think that you are confusing illegals (who will be deported when apprended) and refugees seeking asylum (who are within the law to do
so).
So you want to keep the migrants flowing, but you want to stop the fentanyl?
The short answer is Yes. The migrants should be evaluated and if they have a credible case for seeking asylum, that should be allowed -- by
law. If they do not have a case, then they should be deported.
The aid to Ukraine is working. Putin expected a four day campaign where
how it could have caused so much damage if they want us to believe it
The media has told you, and I have told you.
It has been said multiple times how bad it is.
The Democrat politicians could have made a deal a few years back. Trump was willing to make DREAM/DACA law if the Democrats would compromise and include money for the border wall and border security. Since, like abortion, they prefer having the issue and not fixing it, they said "no."
So, this week a federal court said DACA, as implemented by the Obama administration via an executive branch memorandum (instead of Congressional action) was unlawful. Long live the issue.
How exactly do they keep numbers on the people they *didn't* catch?
It doesn't matter. The record is being broken now, under Biden. The opposite record was being broken by Trump.
How so? The majority of fentanyl entering the US over the southern
border is being brought through legal crossing points by US citizens.
How is a wall going to stop that?
We've invested billions of dollars into Ukraine's success. How is the return on our investment going?
That does not mean we're at war.
However, property thefts are investigated all the time, whether the theft was perpetrated by our fellow citizens, resident aliens, or illegal immigrants. You know you're desperately trying to downplay Trump's
crimes, but your attempts don't hold up to scrutiny so you make up some
BS about illegal immigrants to deflect.
How exactly do they keep numbers on the people they *didn't* catch?"At 10:02 AM, while I was pulling bodies from the river, I noticed a
group of 15 people washing up about 200 feet downstream. I notified
base, but before I could respond, they had already got away."
"At 10:03 AM, while I was stacking bodies on a wooden pallet, I noticed a group of 20 people entering illegally. I notified base but they advised there was not enough officers and to keep stacking."
Aside from written reports, there's also surveillance cams along the border that help officers record the tally of gotaways.
That statement sounds faulty. If you had said "The majority of the fentanyl being confiscated by border patrol is being found on American citizens," then that would make sense. But you can't tell me what's inIt doesn't matter. The record is being broken now, under Biden. opposite record was being broken by Trump.How so? The majority of fentanyl entering the US over the southern border is being brought through legal crossing points by US citizens. How is a wall going to stop that?
the pockets of the 660,000 illegal immigrants who got away while border patrol was busy fishing for human remains.
We're involved in this war, bigtime.We've invested billions of dollars into Ukraine's success. How i return on our investment going?That does not mean we're at war.
However, property thefts are investigated all the time, whether the t was perpetrated by our fellow citizens, resident aliens, or illegal immigrants. You know you're desperately trying to downplay Trump's crimes, but your attempts don't hold up to scrutiny so you make up so BS about illegal immigrants to deflect.I'm not trying to deflect. I don't feel the pinch from Trump's crimes.
Not yet anyway. But I feel Joe's pinch.
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I think that you are confusing illegals (who will be deported when apprended) and refugees seeking asylum (who are within the law to do
so).
No, I know the difference. The media has been saying all aloing "2
million illegal immigrants since January," but despite what the media says, I'm bothered by border patrol's estimate of around 600,000
gotaways.
The media has told you, and I have told you.
I appreciate the explanation you gave a couple messages back. It
sounds believable, it doesn't sound menacing. Mismanagement of border policy leading to the importaion of 600,000 known illegals *is*
menacing.
On 09 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
That would do almost nothing to stop drug trade. First, it has been proven that the wall that has been constructed can easily be overcome.But not as easily as no wall.
Almost. Trump, in his rush to make his wall a symbolic barrier between the US and Mexico, focused almost all construction on the physical wall itself. The electronic infrastructure behind the wall (cameras, motion detectors, etc.) was left absent.
So, this week a federal court said DACA, as implemented by the Obama administration via an executive branch memorandum (instead of Congressional action) was unlawful. Long live the issue.
I read that part of the decree was "No more new applicants." I thought that was pretty good. That means that all of Joe's human chattel might prove to be a big waste of time for the crats.
How so? The majority of fentanyl entering the US over the southern border is being brought through legal crossing points by US citizens.
It would appear that all that some of us need to do in order to accept that the majority of fentanyl being smuggled into this country is being smuggled by US citizens is to be able to "other" these fellow citizens. "Yes, they're US citizens, but they're not like me." Cognitive dissonance resolved, just like that.
Those are things that would make it even less easy.Almost. Trump, in his rush to make his wall a symbolic barrier between t and Mexico, focused almost all construction on the physical wall itself. electronic infrastructure behind the wall (cameras, motion detectors, et was left absent.That would do almost nothing to stop drug trade. First, it has b proven that the wall that has been constructed can easily be overBut not as easily as no wall.
No wall at all = easier than a wall
A wall only = easier than a wall + what you describe
I don't believe Democrats wanted a wall, with or without the added security you describe.
How so? The majority of fentanyl entering the US over the southern borde being brought through legal crossing points by US citizens.The majority of fentanyl that we know of.
It would appear that all that some of us need to do in order to accept t the majority of fentanyl being smuggled into this country is being smugg by US citizens is to be able to "other" these fellow citizens. "Yes, the US citizens, but they're not like me." Cognitive dissonance resolved, ju like that.Unless you or Lee works for a drug cartel, those citizens are not like
us.
Carrying contraband into the US is illegal so, despite the fact that
these citizens are crossing at legal checkpoints, they are crossing illegally, another way that they are not like me and, presumably, not
like you or Lee.
"At 10:03 AM, while I was stacking bodies on a wooden pallet, I notic group of 20 people entering illegally. I notified base but they advis there was not enough officers and to keep stacking."
What are your sources for these quotes?
No, I know the difference. The media has been saying all aloing "2 million illegal immigrants since January," but despite what the media says, I'm bothered by border patrol's estimate of around 600,000 gotaways.
I searched and found many articles quoting that "2 million illegal immigrants" figure. Text looked quite similar in all of them. None of them even mentioned asylum seekers, which leads me to believe that they were included in the 2 million figure.
Only a lousy officer wouldn't report seeing illegal immigrant gotaways."At 10:03 AM, while I was stacking bodies on a wooden pallet, I group of 20 people entering illegally. I notified base but they there was not enough officers and to keep stacking."What are your sources for these quotes?
From the Washington Post:
"Counting got-aways is not an exact science, but CBP has spent more than $1 billion over the past two decades on surveillance technology and
camera networks that have given the agency far greater ability to detect illegal crossings in real time. Apprehending those individuals is
another matter."
"Border Patrol Deputy Chief Raul Ortiz said during a podcast in February that the agency had recorded 1,000 got-aways on a single day, describing that as an unusual event. But since then, the figure has become a new normal."
"Border Patrol Deputy Chief Raul Ortiz said during a podcast inhas become a new normal."
February that the agency had recorded 1,000 got-aways on a single
day, describing that as an unusual event. But since then, the AT>figure
1000 per day for 365 days is 365000, not 600000.
No wall at all = easier than a wall
A wall only = easier than a wall + what you describe
That was my point. The wall is not providing much of an impediment at all. It's like a TV dinner vs a TV dinner with a plastic covering vs a TV dinner with a plastic covering inside of a box. You're going to get your TV dinner.
I don't believe Democrats wanted a wall, with or without the added security you describe.
It's largely a symbolic (and expensive) gesture that stops hardly anyone.
Unless you or Lee works for a drug cartel, those citizens are not like us.
In some ways they are not, but in some ways they are. Fentanyl-smuggling aside, you might have more in common with some of them than you do with non-fentanyl-smuggling citizens. For starters, they're US citizens.
Carrying contraband into the US is illegal so, despite the fact that these citizens are crossing at legal checkpoints, they are crossing illegally, another way that they are not like me and, presumably, not like you or Lee.
They are not crossing illegally; they are smuggling. Have you ever taken your own snacks into a movie theater?
That was my point. The wall is not providing much of an impediment at al It's like a TV dinner vs a TV dinner with a plastic covering vs a TV din with a plastic covering inside of a box. You're going to get your TV dinBut without the plastic covering, you are more likely going to make a
mess and lose some of the contents.
and probably costs us less than the people that wouldn't get in if we didn't have one.I don't believe Democrats wanted a wall, with or without the added security you describe.It's largely a symbolic (and expensive) gesture that stops hardly anyone
Like we agreed, a wall + added security features is better than nothing
In your stated scenario here, so are the non-smuggling-citizens.Unless you or Lee works for a drug cartel, those citizens are not l us.In some ways they are not, but in some ways they are. Fentanyl-smuggling aside, you might have more in common with some of them than you do with non-fentanyl-smuggling citizens. For starters, they're US citizens.
Actually I have not. They are crossing while committing an illegal act, Lawyer Jeff. People crossing illegally are also committing an illegal act, hence the illegal part. I don't see an actual difference.Carrying contraband into the US is illegal so, despite the fact tha these citizens are crossing at legal checkpoints, they are crossing illegally, another way that they are not like me and, presumably, n like you or Lee.They are not crossing illegally; they are smuggling. Have you ever taken own snacks into a movie theater?
They are two different crimes. If you're driving, get pulled over, and are found to be in possession of stolen goods, as long as you're legally allowed to drive and weren't breaking any traffic laws, you're only charged with being in possession of stolen goods. You're not charged with any kind of "illegal driving."
They are two different crimes. If you're driving, get pulled over, and a found to be in possession of stolen goods, as long as you're legally all to drive and weren't breaking any traffic laws, you're only charged with being in possession of stolen goods. You're not charged with any kind of "illegal driving."If you are crossing a state border, you can be charged with transporting said goods over state lines.
We are basically comparing doing something illegal with doing something illegal.
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